Aug. 20, 2025
Conan O'Brien Says Late Night Is Dying PLUS a shocking suggestion for Best Comedian Right Now
Conan O’Brien admits traditional late-night TV may be disappearing, but insists Stephen Colbert will thrive in a new format. Jimmy Kimmel calls B.S. on rumors Colbert’s show lost $40 million a year. Plus: Jean Marco’s new special Thief of Joy, Pete Davidson dishes on why Bupkis is done, the New York Comedy Festival adds 100+ shows (but are they big names?), and Johnny Mac declares Kyle Kinane the low-key best comic in the game. Also: Cherry and Spoon at Minnesota Fringe, Ralph Barbosa’s latest special, and a tease of DCN8.
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Callaroga Shark media. Uh oh, it's August twentieth. You know
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what that is. That's the two minute warning on Johnny
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Mack's summer. I'm gonna panic and have to go to
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the beach ninety five times in the next ten days
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to Labor Day. And Labor Day is a pesky Monday,
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September first, So all of a sudden, it's gonna be like, hey,
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back to school. Uh. Conan O'Brien, Oh Hi, I'm Johnny
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Maack with your daily coming. He was. Conan O'Brien says
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Late Night TV is going to disappear, but quote people
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like Stephen Colbert are too talented and too essential to
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go away. I put the spin on light there. I
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think he said it as a compliments, and I'm not
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taking a dig at Kobert. I just noticed I put
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some spin on the sentence that I didn't need to.
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Conan talked about all this while being honored at the
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TV Academy Hall of Fame ceremony. He was inducted as
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one of the six new members into the Hall of Fame,
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joining Ryan Murphy among others. Macpacker Henry Winkler. Speaking of
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macpack I've been oding on Bash Brothers, the Andy Samberg
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thing about Mark McGuire and jose canseco out. It came
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out like five years ago, and I put it on
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last week. It's on Netflix. I've been watching it about
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once a day and playing the soundtrack endlessly. Just go
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check out Bash Brothers. It's amazing. Anyway, Mac Packer, Henry
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Winkler's in the Hall of Fame. Now Conan's in the
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Hall of Fame. Conan said, you know, people say that
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television is dying, but I want to ask you, if
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our industry was really in trouble, would we be gathered
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right now for our greatest night in a downtown Los
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Angeles Marriott on a weekend in August. No, Conan O'Brien joked,
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things are changing fast. I don't claim to know the
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future of our beloved medium, but I know this, Getting
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the privileged to play around with an hour of television
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has been the great joy of my professional career. We're
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having this event now at a time where there's a
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lot of fear about the future of television, and rightfully so.
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The life we've all known for almost eighty years is
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undergoing seismic change. But this might just be my nature.
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I choose not to mourn what is lost, because I think,
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in the most essential way, what we have is not
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changing at all. Streaming changes the pipeline, but the connection,
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that talent, the ideas that come in our homes. I
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think that's as quotent as ever. We have proof here
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tonight the elephant in the room CBS ending the Late
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Show with Colbert Conan said, yes, late night television as
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we have known it since around nineteen fifty is going
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to disappear. But those voices aren't going anywhere. People like
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Steven Colbert are too talented and too essential to go away.
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It's not going to happen. He's not going anywhere. Steven
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is going to evolve and shine brighter than ever in
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a new format that he controls completely. I had an
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idea that'll never happen. It was recently the anniversary of
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the Larry Sanders show What If Colbert, And remember in
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the past, Colbert played a character called Stephen Colbert. What
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If Colbert went to HBO and did a new take
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on the Larry Sanders Show. So it's about what happens
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to quote unquote Stephen Colbert as he gets a quote
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unquote late night show on streaming. That could be fun,
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but that's not what he's going to do. That was
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my idea. Jimmy Kimmel is calling a hogwash on this
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insider report claiming that Colbert's Late Show was losing paramount
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forty million dollars a year. Kimmel pointed as ever, said,
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there's just not a snowballs chance in hell that's anywhere
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near accurate. All Right, that's pretty clear he has more.
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The idea that Steven Colbert's show is losing forty million
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dollars a year's beyond nonsensical. These alleged insiders who supposedly
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analyze the budgets of the shows. I don't know who
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they are, but I do know they don't know what
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they're talking about. I would imagine Jimmy Kimmel has pretty
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good insight into the finances of a late night show.
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Maybe the real estate New York versus LA is different.
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Maybe Colbert's show has eighty five times as many staffers
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who have even better benefits. You know, could be stuff
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like that. But if Colbert is saying forty million dollars
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a year is not realistic, he's gotta be in the ballpark. Right.
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Kimmel explained AD revenue is only one way shows make money,
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and that affiliate fees can also make a show profitable.
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It's really surprising how little the media seems to know
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about how the media works. Yeah, like, if you want
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to be an ABC affiliate, you got to like sign
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up and I guess pay some money to the ABC's
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I recently saw some TV stations stopped being affiliates. Let
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me see if I can find that story real quick. Yeah,
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here's from the Hollowood Reporter in March. Disney said the
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Thursday in March that WPLG, the South Florida TV station
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owned by Berkshire Hathway for the last eleven years, would
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be losing its ABC affiliation later this summer. That I
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think has now happened more from Kimmel. Suddenly he's losing
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forty million dollars a year. I'll tell you, in the
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first ten years I did the show, they claim we
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weren't making any money, and we had five times as
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many viewers on ABC as we do now. Who knows
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what's true. I have to say, if Joe Biden had
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used his muscle to get Sean Hannity kicked off the air.
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You may be surprised to learn that I would not
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support that. In fact, I would support Sean Hannity in
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that situation because I thought one of the founding principles
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of this country was free speech. But people don't seem
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to care about protecting it unless you agree with them.
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Kim Well declared this. I don't know about this, Jimmy said.
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More if people are watching late night television than ever before,
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including during Carson's era, our monologues get between two and
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five million views, sometimes more. Every night. Seth Meyers gets
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two million on YouTube alone. We're not even talking about
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Instagram or the other platforms. The show John Stewart on
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a Monday night, we'll get five million views. Then you
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add in the TV ratings. So the idea that late
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night is dead is simply untrue. Yes, but the idea
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that an eleven thirty show losing money is dead, that
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is true. I mean, if you guys want to just
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sit home and stream monologues, sure you'll get views. And
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what's the monetization on a YouTube video versus network television. Jimmy,
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I mean, I'd pro late night here, but I do
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understand you have to be realistic about the money and
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to say like, oh, people are watching Seth Meyers on YouTube. Yeah,
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that's nice. Kimmel wants you to vote for Colbert instead
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of Kimmel for the Emmys. He told Variety, it seems
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like voting for Steven is the least we could do
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at this point, and I think it'll be a nice
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statement if he does win. Obviously, awards don't mean much,
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but every once in a while they do, and in
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this case that they get will No, it won't. The
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headline will be Stephen Colbert wins Emmy, and then there'll
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be articles like haha, CBS, your stupid faces, see what
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you did. And the show is still canceled. It doesn't
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matter at all. All that said, sure, let's give Stephen
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Colbert an Emmy. Seems like a good guy. I've previously
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said if I were the Democrats, I'd get on the
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phone and call him. But the show's not coming back.
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It's done. It is an X show, it is deceased.
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It is no more Late Nighter. Reports Kobert will not
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get a tenth anniversary special on CBS. That makes sense
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to me. It's a dead show walking again. If you
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do a tenth anniversary special, No one's gonna go, oh,
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those guys at CBS are cool. They're just gonna say,
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look at those idiots at CBS and now they're doing
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a tenth anniversary special. What jerks they are? So yeah,
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you're not getting a ten anniversary special. Sorry, all right,
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Enough with the late night Friend of the Show, Jen
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Marcos Soireesi. There was a podcasting expert quote unquote expert
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who wrote a big article about how you're not supposed
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to say friend of the show or friend of the pod.
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Why not? Why not? John Marco's been on twice, seems
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to like me. His publicist definitely likes maybe treat notes
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all the time, So sure, Friend of the Show. John
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Marcos Soiressi is thrilled to announce the upcoming release of
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his first full length comedy special, Fief of Joy, that'll
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be on his YouTube channel September nineteenth. Thief of Joy
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blenched on Marco's signature theatrical flare with deeply personal storytelling.
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Drawing from his life as a theater kid turned to
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theater major. He weaves together intimate anecdotes about his relationship, career,
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and parents divorce, all delivered in the animated style the
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New York Times called silkly feline physicality and frenetic gesticulation.
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Was that you, Jason Zinneman who wrote that phrase? I'm
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pretty sure if I google that exact phrase, that'll come
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up right. Let's see who wrote that? Yes, that was
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Friend of the Show. Oh, I said Friend of the
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show again. I'm going to get a note from the
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podcasting expert Jason Zinneman. December one, twenty twenty three, New
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York Times. Yep says here comic who alternates between silkily
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feline physicality and frenetic gesticulation. Love it. See I'm not
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good enough for the New York Times. My review would
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be like, Yeah, he was really funny. That's why I'm
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podcasting in the basement. Friend of the Show third time,
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Jason Zinneman. He's writing for the New York Times. People
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who went to see Shane Gillis says Shane has a
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new opening video montage. It features clips of the Philadelphia
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Eagles defeating the Kansas City Chiefs. The montage includes a
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hit to the face of Patrick Mahomes. Interestingly enough, the
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Chiefs and Eagles played each other week two. A lot
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of Pete Davison stuff lately, all coming from his interview
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with Charlemagne. What's making headlines this week is Pete talking
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about how I canceled buck Guss and I got in
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trouble for it because I didn't I love that show.
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I love doing buck Guss at a blast. Just got
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to a point where I really got tired of my
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whole career just being my personal life and living through
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that is sort of traumatic. Not to be lame, but
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it's traumatic to live in your own crap all the time.
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Pete said the show's direction changed when a new collaborator
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stepped in. Pete says, this new person came in and
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was like, I think Pete should be banging Martha Stewart
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this season. I think Pete should have more mental issues.
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And I was like, oh, but I wouldn't do that.
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And then we're like, well, Pete the character would, and
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I was like, I can't do this. I was like,
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if I want any shot and being in real movies
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being seen a certain way, I just can't play myself
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all the time and be this sack A at NBC react,
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they were not pleased. Have you seen me in any
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NBC Universal projects? Since they were upset, I cost people jobs,
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and I took care of the writer's room and anyone
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who to get paid that needed to. I took care
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of it, which also hurt. But it's funny you work
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for company over a decade. Pretty sure. I brought in
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a lot of money, worked hard on the show as
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a good boy, like promoting it and whatnot. Made me realize. Yes,
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everything I'm about to tell you that Pete said, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
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It made me realize about the business. No one actually
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cares about you. Studios, networks, they don't really care about you.
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They want you to do the thing, which I get.
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And that's all good. But there was a time when
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it wasn't. Seems like the New York Comedy Festival took
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my note. I mean, this was probably the plan already,
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but the original lineup, I was like, that's it. Eh. Well,
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did that show hosted by Chris Gethard November twelfth, New
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York's Funniest Stand Ups on the twelfth, Comics to Watch,
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j McBride show, Jays Fantastic Mateo, Nick Smith on the fourteenth,
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Monsters of Tokyo on the fifteenth, Hannibal Burus and Friends
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on the sixteenth in Brooklyn, Rika Rhodes Pushing Up Daisies
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at UCB on the sixteenth, and Ricky Valez on the sixteenth.
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Previously announced headliners for this year's festival include Hannah Berner,
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Michael Blaxon, The Not So Canceled, Louis c K, Margaret Show,
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Alex Edelman, Chris Fleming, Pete Holmes, Morgan Jay Ismo, Ryan Long, Nurse,
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John Joheyesponder, Paul Denello and Amy Sedaris and Trevor Wallace.
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So let me just summarize this. So basically, the New
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York Comedy Festival is Louis c K, Pete Holmes, and
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then who were putting third Hannibal burs Oh Strangers with
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Candy with Stephen Colbert's on this one? Okay, so rephrasing
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this year's at New York Comedy Festival is what Stephen Colbert,
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Louis c K, Pete Holmes, and Hannibal Burris, A bit
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of a drop this year in Saint Louis. Now, now
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here's a lineup for you. In Saint Louis, they've announced
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the Flyover Comedy Festival. We'll be back. Flyover is in
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