Jan. 1, 2025

Crossover with The Letterman Podcast

Crossover with The Letterman Podcast

In this special New Year episode of Daily Comedy News, host Johnny Mac features a repurposed interview with Mike Chisholm from the Letterman podcast. With the episode running longer than usual due to its substantial content, Johnny discusses his need...

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In this special New Year episode of Daily Comedy News, host Johnny Mac features a repurposed interview with Mike Chisholm from the Letterman podcast. With the episode running longer than usual due to its substantial content, Johnny discusses his need to insert frequent commercial breaks to comply with his hosting company's requirements. The conversation between Johnny and Mike covers a wide range of topics, including reflections on David Letterman's legacy, the evolving landscape of late-night television, and candid insights into the comedy industry. They also touch on notable comedians, current trends, and predictions for the future of comedy.
00:00 Introduction and New Year Greetings

00:13 Repurposing the Letterman Podcast
02:31 Daily Comedy News Format
03:19 Recurring Jokes and Comedy Bits
04:31 Letterman's Influence and Legacy
06:54 Jay Leno and Late Night Comedy
09:34 Letterman's Fast Channel and Legacy Media
15:18 The Evolution of Late Night Hosts
21:32 Hypothetical Scenarios and What-Ifs
34:33 Letterman's Interview Style and Legacy
37:48 The Power of Long-Form Content
39:44 Top Comedy Specials of the Year
40:53 Comedian of the Year Debate
45:30 The Rise of Smaller Comedy Shows
51:01 SNL's 50th Anniversary Speculations
58:56 Conan O'Brien Hosting the Oscars
01:06:07 The Importance of Gratitude
01:09:09 Closing Remarks and Future Plans

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Callaroga Shark Media.

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Happy to hear. I'm Johnny Mack with your Daily Comedy News. Recently,

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I was a guest on The Letterman podcast with Mike Chisholm.

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We talked about all kinds of things comedy and asked Mike, hey,

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can I repurpose the interview for my show so I

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can take January first off? And Mike said sure. So

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today is a long one. I just want to get

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in front of something. The hosting company I use, I

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have to place a commercial break every twenty minutes or

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one will be automatically inserted, all right, And this entire

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thing raw was about an hour and twenty minute, so

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this is probably the longest episode of Daily Comedy News ever.

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But when you get around all the fourth commercial break

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and you're like, John, what the heck?

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Man?

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If I don't put a marker, it's going to get

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dropped in mid sentence. So at least I'm placing the

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commercials an hour and twenty of stuff today, with more

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commercials than you get in a ten minute episode, So

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I hope you can understand all that. Anyway, here's my

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wonderful conversation with Mike Chisholm.

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John when I'm so glad that every once in a while,

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when something happens in comedy, you'll just throw an email

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out to me and it's, oh, yes, John and I

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got to connect, and it feels like two comic books

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doing the crossover thing when we do this. I'm so

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glad that you're back on the show. So much to

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talk about in the world of comedy, in the world

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of Late Night, in the world of Letterman. Lots of

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stuff this week, even when it comes to David Letterman,

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Thank you so much for coming back on the show.

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I really appreciate this, and I'm just looking forward to

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just conversing with you, my friend.

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Now, happy to be here. I'll tell you when you

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just sent me the link. My podcast, Daily Company News

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is just audio, so you've got the high pressure of video.

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So I'm like, oh, let me check my hair now.

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I've got the David Letterman Gulf of Mexico thing that

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he had in the eighties, so I got to make

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sure I moose it up otherwise I have that thing going.

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So I have that in common with Dave, but it

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hit him about twenty years earlier that it's hit me.

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The hair piece is securely in place. It looks fantastic.

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You're doing very well, sir.

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There are days William Shatner and I have the same

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hair minus natural, but his current piece looks pretty good.

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Good Canadian boy, William Shatner. One of the secrets that

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he said to life. People always ask him because he's

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like freakishly elderly compared to how he looks. And don't

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get me wrong, I want to I don't want to

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be an ageist or anything like that. But he looks

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fantastic for his age, and somebody frequently has that. He's

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been asked how he looks so good, and he says,

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every single year he puts five pounds on and that

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was his because I think the five pounds smooth out

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some of the things that would be wrinkles otherwise. But

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now this is great. How's Daily Comedy News Go? I

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love your podcast. I cannot endorse it enough for those

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of us out there who love this thing called comedy.

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The Daily Comedy News podcast is fantastic. It's a nice

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little bite where every day you get caught up with

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what's going on in the world. There's lots of little

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inside jokes if you listen to it along the way,

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like Letterman, there's ongoing little jokes that that you put

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into this thing. It is such a great show. How's

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it going for you have fourteen hundred episodes in something

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like that.

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Yeah, it probably five years or so. I feel like

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it's really in a groove that I have my creative

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voice and where I want the show to be. The

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show comes out to the same length every day without

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me checking the clock. It's got a rhythm. In the

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and then then take a break and in the back

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end do a little more esoteric stuff. Like you said,

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there's in jokes. We have a joke that's a year

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old now about Joe Coy, which my tailor's hired. Yeah,

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the Taylor Swift joke. So, just to catch everybody up,

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if you saw the Gold Globes last year, Joe Coy

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made a joke about Taylor Swift, and I've just turned

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it into a recurring gag. I'll set it up and

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the audience knows it's coming, and I'll be like, you know,

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I don't know if you remember this one time Joe

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Coy made this joke about Taylor Swift. Yeah, let's listen.

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To it, and I had some audience members are like,

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will you stop, and other people areud on the joke.

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I actually have the jokes shaved down to it's four seconds,

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but the four seconds sounds like an eternity because I've

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played it ninety times out of the last three sixty five.

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But it's a good recurring bit. I like that kind

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of stuff. It's silly, very much a Letterman. From the beginning.

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He always had these sort of things, and even up

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to the very end.

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Somebody was I saw somebody commenting on one of Dave's

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most recent it was either the YouTube, I think it

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was the on the YouTube, and he was talking about

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Letterman and drummers. And when you watch the end of

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Late Show, the run of the Late Sha the last

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few years, every other musical performance, as he would come

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out and thank the band after they were done, he

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would look at the drummer and say, hey, a, these

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are your drums. And it was just this thing that

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just kept going on and on, and people who I

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get people who ask me, hey, what's up with the

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drum thing? And it's like that, And there's so much

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of his humor that has permeated everything that gets done

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right now, And a lot of people have talked about

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the idea that, oh, it's going to be lost, it

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won't be credited back to Letterman. Maybe not so fast?

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See what I did there? See what I did there?

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With the not so fast, I almost missed it.

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I'm glad you said did you see what I did there?

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That's, by the way, should be stricken from the record completely.

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Did you see what I did there? Is one of

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those phrases that I think has been used enough that

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probably needs to be strict from the English language. Letterman

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launched a fast channel this week, and I thought that

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was really exciting news for me. I don't know, what

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did you have? You covered that on the show already?

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I heard it there yet it depends when we air this.

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Ah as we record this, No, but by the time

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people hear this, probably yes, travel So I'll just explain that.

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Production wise, I tend to record the weekends in advance,

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and I think this story appears on a Sunday episode.

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Gotcha.

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Look, I deal the audience straight. I don't do this

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seven days a week. I do it four days a week.

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And it's pretty predictable, and there are predictable events in

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comedy like Netflix specials come out every Tuesday or when

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he is New Year's Eve this year, so you can

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pre tape some of these. And as as a creator,

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if something I don't want to jinx anybody, but if

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somebody of note passes away, I run down to the basement,

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I put out a bonus episode.

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And it's appreciated. How you do it, I love it.

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And it's a predictably unpredictable when it comes to that,

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because it does stay spontaneous with the time. It's just

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like Letterman's YouTube channel. You can expect a clip every day.

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Sometimes those clips will be timed perfectly, like for example,

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when Wicked opened. Here's the clip from when the cast

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of Wicked showed up and did a number at the

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Ed Sullivant Theater. And then sometimes it's just something that's

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funny from the show, and sometimes it is an extra

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clip comes out when somebody has passed away. And it's

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interesting how the folks who run Letterman's digital wing of

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Worldwide Pants really at the end of the day part

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of their job Walter and his team is obituaries. And

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you have that mantle as well, where the guard is changing.

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I think we talked about maybe we talked about this

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last time with Newhart. I know we did off camera. Anyway,

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when some of these people are passing away, it's up

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to you to comment on it based on the brand

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that you're building.

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I'm talking about the changing of the guard, and this

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tees me up perfectly because I did want to talk

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about Jay Leno. So when Jay had his eepatch incidents. Yeah,

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I teach college class and I was asking the students

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and just talking about Jay Leno and one of my

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favorite students he sits in the front row. He asks

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who's Jay Leno? And I looked at him and I said,

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you just murdered me. And I stopped and I'm like,

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how do I explain to Jay Leno? Is he hosted

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the Tonight show before Jimmy Fallon? Was my best answer,

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So that brings me to it was just in the news,

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Lena was talking about why he stays in Hampton Inns

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and what went down, and he was pretty funny about it,

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explaining this was on Spike Thurston's podcast, and Jay was

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explaining that no, the mafia didn't come to Pennsylvania to

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find him and throw him down a hill, which once

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he pointed it out. I'm like, yeah, you probably if

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they wanted to get to him, they could get to

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him in LA he's around. But I was thinking about this,

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so here you have a college student. It was no

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idea who Jay Leno is.

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Jay doesn't have the most generic face the way say

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is Steve. If Stephen Colbert took off his glasses and

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passed me in the airport, I might not recognize him.

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Jay has more of a character's face, definitely. But that said,

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if he checks into a Hampton in at one am

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in nowhere, Pennsylvania, there's a pretty decent chance that the

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person working is young and just goes, mister Lenno, you're

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in room three thirty two, and he could probably check

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in as Jay Leno.

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Yep, absolutely, it's We just did an episode. Actually, I

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still got it on the desk here. We just did

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a review episode. A couple we talk about Carson the

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Magnificent because the Zemi book just came out after all

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that time, and we've been talking about Johnny Carson, and

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it's funny. It's almost like there's not a day that

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goes by where I'm like, you know what, why we

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do this show. One of the reasons we do the

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show is because people are forgeting who Johnny Carson was

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and he was the biggest star in the world, and

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people look at me so quizzically. And even two years

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later after starting Letterman podcast, people will say to me

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sometimes they know I'm a financial planner by trade, and

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they'll be, oh, yeah, but he's got two podcasts too,

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and they'll be like, oh, what kind of podcast do

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you host? And I'm like, yeah, I host Amend's mental

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wellness podcast and the other one. And I ask this

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question now, I never used to do you know who

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David Letterman is? Wow? And to me, that is absolutely

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baffling that I have to ask that question. And even

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more baffling are the answers I get back, because even

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it happened to me yesterday. Yeah, that's I'm like, you

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know who? And I do the exact same thing that

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you do. And I don't even lead with Colbert. I say,

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do you know who Jimmy Fallon is? Because I feel

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that he's the one that that of all the late

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night hosts, I believe he's the one that speaks to

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the youngest demo at this point than any of them,

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even more than Taylor. I think even and oh yeah,

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I know Fallon Is. I said, okay, he has the

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Tonight Show, right, Letterman's one of those guys. Oh yeah,

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that's what that is baffling to me. But at the

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one thousand. Yep is all Letterman all the time. It

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it out there. It's going to be very interesting to

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same thing I talked about last time I was on.

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and some were older Late Show Dave, and some spoke

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to me and some didn't. But it's interesting how do

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stability and other than the first year and a half,

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this as a because he, in my opinion, has a

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massive collection and assemble it and give it to us,

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at Don Giller and how he would take chunks of

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one particular topic or guest and then go from the

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entire run, some of which being like mervh for example,

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that David Letterman show. The Morning Show was Mrv's first

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a to me, that's a beautiful progression. And there's links there,

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but yeah, you're right, it's jarring when you see one

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clip from eighty four. Maybe something isoteric versus something that

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the masses. And Late Show certainly didn't go as far

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as Leno did when it came to that, but he

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really did change the sensibility. Yeah, it's gonna be interesting

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I'm excited for the channel. I'm sure you recall there

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I would have had a tvo that now I'm dusting

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I can just watch nineteen eighty three Letterman episodes. This

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was amazing and I took them all in So I

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like that. It's there the random factor of if I

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tune in and I'm not into this, guest, it's a

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little throwback. We're here in the age of on demand

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and streaming so af fast channels, a little bit retro.

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we love so much, which is comedy, I hope that

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a lot of these people will dive into this and

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take a look at some of the architects of what

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we have that is mainstay right now, Dave being and

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the writers of course, and all the producers like it.

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system and the team that he assembled behind him, how

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they changed comedy. They really did. And yeah, so it's

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great to see that love. I hope that we can

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see more of some of this old content that we

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might not have seen before and it gets utilized. But

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it's so difficult because of the red tape that exists.

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much have changed hands from a rights perspective because this

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conglomerate has swallowed up this conglomerate and now it becomes

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really difficult worldwide. Pants is in such a unique spot

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because Dave owned his show, he owned his content, and

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that that's a Yeah, it's a very unique spot that

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Dave has given himself.

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In the industry, a lot of this estate stuff gets

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tied up in an absence of rules. So, for example,

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if you wanted to license a clip of Steve Allen

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for use on a video podcast that you're going to

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stream on YouTube, is there even a rule.

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it and you're now repurposing it a little bit. Is

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there a rule? Is there not a rule? And are

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they gonna Yeah, that's and who gets paid? Yep, yep.

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That's very complicated. And as I talked about at the top,

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more than Mike on Letterman Podcast.

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about that. Isn't that a neat thing? How his my

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next guest with John Mulaney won on Emmy. His current

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offerings are still current enough that they're being awarded things.

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as the counterculture, and if you put in your thirty years,

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you're the culture and there's some new guy looking to

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take you down.

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interesting because my next guest on Netflix and I wonder

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about the strategic value I was talking I had a

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conversation with Morning not too long ago, and we were

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talking about the strategic value of Okay, we're gonna put

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one that is outside of the season, and it's titled

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the other one which it's escaping me right now, but

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it was its own, like it was a special my

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next Guest with d because John Mulaney's name was actually

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in the title of it as well, and that's the

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one that won the Emmy. It was a powerful episode,

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really cool. He's doing the thom Snyder thing and getting

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this stuff out of John, the dinner with his dad.

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It was just such a powerful episode. I'm glad it

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was recognized. But then you got Dave on Neil Brennan

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giving an interview that one of the best interviews I've

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ever seen. And then recently, have you had a chance

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to watch the GQ story of David Letterman and Zach

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Barron interviewed him. It was a phenomenal outing.

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I thought, I read the article and I don't want

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to take over your show and start dragging you around,

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but I do want to discuss the part where Letterman

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talked about not being able to live up to Carson

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and then talked about Today's hosts and threw them a bone,

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as if I think he may have caught himself on

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the fly realizing like, oh, I'm going to say it

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sound like a jerk saying these Today's hosts aren't as

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good as Carson, which they're not. Let's all be real,

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No one is. Absolutely that was Letterman's original part point, yes,

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but then he started talking about maybe some of them

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are as good as Carson. And I'm not here to

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be negative, but who could that even mean? Like, clearly,

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Jimmy Fallon is not Johnny Carson. No, Colbert is doing

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something else and not trying to be Johnny Carson. So

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is Jimmy Kimmel Today's Johnny Carson. I could maybe drag

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it up to Jimmy Kimmel's Today's David Letterman, but I

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don't think Kimmel's Today's Johnny Carson.

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don't know he was talking about like when you think

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about somebody, because I listened to that as well, and

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I was thinking, Okay, that's very interesting. Throwing them a

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bone is a fantastic way of putting it. But I

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thought about Johnny's skillset, and I've been down that rabbit

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hole for the last month probably I've been watching a

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lot of Carson clips again with the Zemi book and

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talking about that. Carson had a skill set that Letterman

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never ever even tried to emulate when he did his show,

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Number one, because he wanted Late Night to be very different,

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and Late Night had to be very different than the

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Tonight Show. But also because again they just celebrate, celebrated.

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I don't know if that's a high lighted on Dave's

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YouTube channel on the Barber Games Show, just highlighted when

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Dave was on Mary's Variety Show and how how much

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he hated the dance number and to the point where

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he didn't only had to do it a couple of

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times and then they said, Okay, you don't have to

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do this. Being on that variety show, Johnny Carson had

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a skill set that very few people had at that time,

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from the magician, the singer, a little bit of actor sketch,

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the sketch stuff he would do as well as the

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host game show stuff, and then broadcaster. All of these

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things won And as I heard that Dave talk about that,

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to me, I thought he was talking about Fallon from

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that perspective, because I look at Jimmy Fallon, like him,

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don't like him. That dude can do a lot of stuff.

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He can get. He is very I hear him sing

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Neil Young imitating other things, and I the fresh Prince

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of bel Air theme is the one that comes to mind.

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But he does these very interesting things. Whether you like

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him or don't like you cannot dispute the talent that

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guy has and the enthusiasm he has, the little sparkle

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in his eye the way Johnny did. And when I

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heard that, I thought, oh, he's talking about Fallon and

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his skill set. But it was interesting hearing Dave talk

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about that on that interview. Also, his dad and Paul

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shaff are both organists. That's one thing I took from that.

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That was an interesting story about his dad with the Organs.

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That was really compelling to me. Whenever Dave goes into

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his past and pulls out these little nuggets, there's a

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story that Zach. I don't even know why it came

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up or how it came up, but Dave revealing a

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story about his dad, and maybe some comparison there, but

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it was a very good interview.

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I thought, let us be fair to Jimmy Fallon. Jimmy

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Fallon's job is to host the Tonight Show at eleven

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thirty on NBC. That's a specific job. We are playing

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to Middle America. For example, David Letterman at twelve thirty

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was I'll just use the word weird. He goes to

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eleven thirty, puts on on Armani suit, and after a year,

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goes towards Middle America. You have Conan O'Brien being weird

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at twelve thirty. He comes to eleven thirty and tries

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to be weird, and we know what happened there. So

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you bring Jay Leno back and you play back to

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Middle America. Now, you and I and fans of this

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podcast remember the young Jay Leno and a leather jacket

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that would show up on late night and be edgy.

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I would describe Jay Leno as edgy. Now some people

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might be like, Jay Leno edgy, You're crazy. I'm telling

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you go back and watch the clips. They're on the

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Fast Channel. He's there, he's edgy. So Fallin he's executing

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the tonight show. He has a lot more to his game,

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but that's not what the job is.

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That is exactly right. I'm glad that you said it

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that way, because even people who sometimes sometimes watch this show,

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the dozens of fans that we have of the Letterman Podcast,

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a lot of them are still in that Team Day

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versus Team J camp. But when you watch the two

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of them together and again on Don Giller's channel, you

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can go and you can see the entire compilation, the

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entire evolution and run of when Dave and j used

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to play off each other and it You're right, that's

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exactly right. I wouldn't necessarily compare him to Burr, but

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he might be that generation's kind of comparison. There's there's

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some observance that was there that had bite to it.

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It had real bite to it compared to what we saw.

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And yeah, it's just it's a fascinating evolution watching this stuff,

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watching how there are so many late night hosts, and

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00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:20.880
because of that, it's had to be I hate to

457
00:21:20.960 --> 00:21:22.720
use the word homogenized. I don't know if that's the

458
00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:25.559
right word, but it's diluted. It certainly is diluted compared

459
00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:26.079
to what it was.

460
00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:28.599
Now, let me ask you a question. I've mental exercise.

461
00:21:28.640 --> 00:21:30.359
I've never actually done that, and I haven't done it

462
00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:33.079
as I just thought of it thirty seconds ago. It's

463
00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:36.119
nineteen ninety two. Is that the year? Yeah, David Letterman

464
00:21:36.200 --> 00:21:39.559
takes over the Tonight Show, Jay Leno. Maybe he doesn't

465
00:21:39.559 --> 00:21:41.559
get a show at all, maybe he gets CBS, maybe

466
00:21:41.559 --> 00:21:45.000
he gets Fox. But David Letterman is hosting the Tonight Show. Yep,

467
00:21:46.720 --> 00:21:50.000
what do we actually get? Do we get the CBS version?

468
00:21:50.039 --> 00:21:52.720
Do we get a guy throwing pencils through a window?

469
00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:55.759
What do we get? And do you and I like it?

470
00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:59.240
Yeah? And like I have, I said this to Bill Carter,

471
00:21:59.319 --> 00:22:00.759
I've said this to I think I said it to

472
00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:02.960
Zennaman and some of these other people too. I am

473
00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:05.319
so grateful that he didn't get the Tonight Show. Obviously

474
00:22:05.359 --> 00:22:07.279
at the time, sometimes it's one of those things, sometimes

475
00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:09.359
a blessing comes like a kick in the teeth. But

476
00:22:09.640 --> 00:22:11.759
I'm so glad that he didn't get it, because again

477
00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:15.640
we're talking about Carson here. Carson was so powerful and

478
00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:18.279
he had evolved his place. He had worked the way

479
00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:20.240
into the seat that he was sitting and in the

480
00:22:20.279 --> 00:22:23.400
groove was so uniquely suited to him. He was so

481
00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:26.440
powerful that was his chair to the point where he

482
00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:31.920
had ownership, and Letterman walked literally into being able to

483
00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:34.640
leverage himself to move over to CBS. Got to take

484
00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:38.440
basically the blueprint of what Johnny had, the idea of

485
00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:41.880
owning his show, the idea of the next time slot,

486
00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:45.079
and his company being able to do that and continue

487
00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:48.480
it on for twenty some odd years. If he would

488
00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:52.880
have gotten the Tonight Show suddenly, ownership for the first

489
00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:55.240
time in well over a decade would have come back

490
00:22:55.279 --> 00:22:58.920
to NBC, which they were very excited to have. And

491
00:22:59.599 --> 00:23:04.079
you think about the network executives and Dave's relationship from

492
00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:07.319
Late Night at that point, how can Tate cantankerous? It was?

493
00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:10.240
Imagine what would have happened if he would have then

494
00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:13.759
moved into the big chair, with all these networks now

495
00:23:13.880 --> 00:23:16.160
trying to poke in prod that would have been I

496
00:23:16.200 --> 00:23:19.559
don't know that we would have liked. I think personally

497
00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:21.799
if he would have been awarded the Tonight Show. From

498
00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:24.640
everything I've looked at and read, I don't know that

499
00:23:24.759 --> 00:23:26.839
NBC was ready to bring the Tonight Show back to

500
00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:29.799
New York. I feel like the way the Tea leaves

501
00:23:29.799 --> 00:23:33.839
have been written. I feel like Dave would have moved

502
00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:37.240
to Burbank. I feel like that's what the what would

503
00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:40.599
have had to happen to me? New York City is

504
00:23:40.680 --> 00:23:45.240
a character in Dave's show. I just I really think

505
00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:46.079
that that even.

506
00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:49.680
The same factor the late show set is son of

507
00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:52.000
the late night set, And if you're in Burdbank, you

508
00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:55.000
probably wind up with something that looks more like maybe

509
00:23:55.039 --> 00:23:57.599
not the purple j Leno set, but something more like that.

510
00:23:58.200 --> 00:23:59.680
Certainly lots of plants.

511
00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:03.960
Yeah, yeah, but all that stuff plays into it. I'll

512
00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:06.559
just repeat myself. A guy in sneakers versus guy in

513
00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:08.799
an Armani suit, a guy sitting in front of a

514
00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:11.200
bridge silhouette versus a guy sitting on a set with

515
00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:14.440
a bunch of plants. These things do matter, Yeah, they

516
00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:17.680
really do. And tone is everything. And Dave is interesting

517
00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:21.400
in that GQ interview too. Zach again, Zach is just incredible.

518
00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:22.480
I live vicariously.

519
00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:23.680
I don't know that I'm ever going to have the

520
00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:26.359
chance to have a conversation on camera with Dave, and

521
00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:29.119
I live vicariously through the people who do I know

522
00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:31.799
the questions I want to ask him, and the questions

523
00:24:31.799 --> 00:24:35.160
that these guys ask him that Neil Brennan and Zach

524
00:24:35.319 --> 00:24:38.519
just did. They're asking him questions that I wouldn't ask him,

525
00:24:38.599 --> 00:24:40.119
just out of respect. If I talked to him today,

526
00:24:40.119 --> 00:24:42.039
I'd want to talk about just current things that he sees.

527
00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:44.599
I wouldn't want to go into the past because of

528
00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:48.319
the reputation of how he doesn't like talking about that stuff.

529
00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:52.480
These guys of the Plum and the esteem that they're

530
00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:55.400
able to talk about this stuff, And to me, Dave

531
00:24:55.480 --> 00:24:57.680
is a New Yorker, but he was talking about, Hey, Indianapolis,

532
00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:00.400
we're here. This is your hometown, right, And it's interesting.

533
00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:01.920
One of the things I want to ask Dave is

534
00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:03.960
are you a New Yorker or are you a Hoser,

535
00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:06.839
a Hooser or is it a combination of both. Are

536
00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:07.640
you a new Hooser?

537
00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:10.599
It's interesting to me that he's doing press at all.

538
00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:14.079
Was the GQ to promote the Fast Channel or is

539
00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:14.960
that a coincidence?

540
00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:18.079
No, they talked about it, and it was in November

541
00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:20.359
that they shot it, and they did talk about it

542
00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:22.200
near the end they did, so I assume it was

543
00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:24.599
to promote it. But also it feels like to me

544
00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:30.319
where they positioned Dave are in very specific spots. You

545
00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:33.440
think about Dax's podcast that he was on, you think

546
00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:36.960
about Neil Brennan's podcast The GQ. That's a great to me.

547
00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:40.440
If Rolling Stone hadn't gone through some of the I

548
00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:42.799
don't know. In my opinion, I don't know, and maybe

549
00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:44.960
I'm way off on this. Rolling Stone isn't what it

550
00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:48.759
was back in the day when Dave was gracing covers

551
00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:51.240
and doing a lot of these stories. With Rolling Stone,

552
00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:54.960
it's a different it's a different beast now, but GQ

553
00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:57.480
seems to still have that same I would say the

554
00:25:57.519 --> 00:25:59.599
same thing with Vanity Fair still seems to have that

555
00:25:59.720 --> 00:26:03.920
kind of tone and prestige. To me, that's those are

556
00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:06.599
the spots that they're putting Dave into to do press

557
00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:10.599
with occasional lighthearted appearances here and there. But to me,

558
00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:12.599
it was very classy the piece that they did.

559
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:17.039
There's also with the legacy media, there's a way you roll.

560
00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:19.440
So I've played in I'm doing I do a podcast

561
00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:21.240
in my basement. I've worked for Serier six M, I've

562
00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:26.160
been entertainment adjacent for thirty years. So if you do

563
00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:30.960
Rolling Stone GQ sixty minutes unless Mike Wallace is sitting

564
00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:33.799
around for you. You're not going to get Dave, have you

565
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:37.559
ever done crack? That question is not going to happen.

566
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:44.119
Letterman's not going to do a random podcast because he

567
00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:46.079
doesn't know that. I'm not going to say, Dave you

568
00:26:46.119 --> 00:26:48.279
ever do crack? Because what does he do with that question?

569
00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:51.000
He says no, and then the headline is David Letterman

570
00:26:51.079 --> 00:26:53.200
comments on whether he did crack, right, So they don't

571
00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:55.240
want They don't want to do that at all. And

572
00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:57.000
I'm not at all suggesting Dave did crack. Let me

573
00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:00.400
be very clear, David Letton has never done crack. Point

574
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:02.559
is he doesn't know that. I'm not going to ask

575
00:27:02.599 --> 00:27:07.039
him that and an awkward question. Whereas the bigger brands,

576
00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:10.160
the legacy media, are more known, and it's both sides.

577
00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:12.000
You don't even have to say, You're not gonnask Dave

578
00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:14.240
about crack, right like you just know you invite somebody

579
00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:16.839
on your show. It's a friendly environment. My point being

580
00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:20.799
a basement podcasters, we're lesser known, so it's just not

581
00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:21.559
going to happen.

582
00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:21.680
Now.

583
00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:24.400
I would imagine in your case, you probably do have

584
00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:27.960
enough Letterman whisperers who could tell him. This guy's are right.

585
00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:30.000
He's not going to ask you if you let me

586
00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:32.359
change it up, eat Peter Butter and jelly for lunch.

587
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:34.440
That's why they haven't had me killed up to this point.

588
00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:35.279
That's exactly right.

589
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:39.519
But celebrities have brands, and you control your brand, and

590
00:27:39.519 --> 00:27:41.880
you don't want to overexpose if we look at this.

591
00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:44.200
I reached out to you and went, oh my goodness,

592
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:46.680
David Letterman actually did an interview. That's why I reached

593
00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:48.480
out to you. And if he were on a podcast

594
00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:50.839
every third day, I wouldn't have shot you a note.

595
00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:53.960
That's right, And I don't know that I've said this publicly.

596
00:27:54.039 --> 00:27:55.759
I've certainly talked about it with a few of my

597
00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:57.400
guests and a few people that are close to Dave,

598
00:27:57.440 --> 00:27:59.759
and it doesn't seem to be It seems to be

599
00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:01.640
the shit. Say the last person I talked to about

600
00:28:01.640 --> 00:28:05.680
this definitely inside but adjacent, but also very high up

601
00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:08.200
and inside, and he said, if you were in Dave's camp,

602
00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:10.640
what would you have him do? He asked me that question.

603
00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:12.839
It was like literally throwing a softball down the plate

604
00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:15.039
to me, and it wasn't recorded. But I'll say this

605
00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:16.880
to you because I just to me, I know that

606
00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:19.920
you are certainly when you Joe Rogan is so big

607
00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:22.160
now we talk about Carson and who's our current Carson.

608
00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:24.440
To me, there is no other answer than Joe Rogan.

609
00:28:24.759 --> 00:28:27.240
The Rogan bump is crazy. You talk about Nicki Glazer

610
00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:30.480
a lot on your show. I believe a huge part

611
00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:35.519
of her ascension and people observing her talent cannot be understated.

612
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:37.640
I want to be very clear about that. But the

613
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:40.759
spotlight was certainly put on to her over the years

614
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:43.799
by Rogan. She has definitely been a recipient of the

615
00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:46.720
Rogan bump in many ways. Tony Hinchcliffe, same thing to me,

616
00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:50.960
the softball going down the plate. I'm like, if it's

617
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:53.200
me as a fan, and this is exactly how the

618
00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:55.519
person said to me, he goes, boy, you are answering

619
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:58.720
that question as a fan. But to me, fan service

620
00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:00.599
in this day and age is not a bad thing.

621
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:04.759
To me. If you want to have a compelling, tying

622
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:06.720
it up with a bow kind of a scenario, you

623
00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:09.519
have Dave go down to the Mothership. You have a

624
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:13.480
Night at the Mothership in Austin, Texas, which is based

625
00:29:13.559 --> 00:29:16.319
on the Comedy Store, except let's fix the comedy store

626
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:17.920
and make it even better. If you look at the

627
00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:21.359
blueprint that Rogan has created at Mothership, the bar is

628
00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:24.240
called Mitzi's and the dorm. They've taken that blueprint. Adam

629
00:29:24.279 --> 00:29:27.440
Egitt is there. You take the you take Letterman there

630
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:30.480
with guys like Drecent, guys like Altman, you get you

631
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:32.240
bring out some of the people who are not doing

632
00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:35.640
as well health wise maybe and have one last little

633
00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:39.440
hurrah there a tribute to these things. You have Dave

634
00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:42.599
show up on Rogan's podcast and then you do a

635
00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:46.079
my next guest on the stage of the Mothership with

636
00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:49.119
Joe Rogan, who like it or not, he is the

637
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:51.240
And to me, that is, oh my gosh, what I

638
00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:53.519
love to see that. But I just don't know if

639
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:56.799
Rogan's too polarizing because of exactly what you just said,

640
00:29:56.799 --> 00:30:00.279
how well Letterman's positioned himself. I don't know that whatever

641
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:03.480
happened from a fan perspective, my god, that would be compelling.

642
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:07.400
But so I love the idea of Dave going on Rogan.

643
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:10.240
I like listening to Rogan's podcast for many reasons. I'd

644
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:11.920
like to listen to podcasts as I'd drift off on

645
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:16.119
Rogan's audio. He doesn't start screaming or get hyper. These

646
00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:17.839
are very deep conversations.

647
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:18.240
Yep.

648
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:21.839
I am able, like I can with any conversation. I

649
00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:23.519
can take some of it and go I agree. I

650
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:25.880
could take some and say I don't agree. For example,

651
00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:28.119
if you said to me Patricks is better than a

652
00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:31.640
five story tower, I would vehemently disagree, but I wouldn't

653
00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:33.279
like dislike you. I would just be like, oh, he's

654
00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:34.759
wrong about that, and I would just move on with

655
00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:37.599
my day. Yes, if you told me Dave went down

656
00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:39.680
there for three hours and twenty minutes and we got

657
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:42.119
a long conversation that wasn't so what was it like

658
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:43.960
when you didn't get the Tonight Show asked an answer,

659
00:30:43.960 --> 00:30:46.319
and he's talked about it exactly. Rogan would ask him

660
00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:49.039
about He might ask him about drones, and then that

661
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:51.720
tease it up for Letterman and be funny. And again,

662
00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:53.799
let me be clear, David Letterman has never done crack.

663
00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:56.200
But if Rogan not a guy in his basement, if

664
00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:59.000
Joe Rogan said do you ever do crack? That would

665
00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:02.000
get comedian Dave Letterman to snap too and answer that

666
00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:05.000
with a witty remark, and that wouldn't be like an

667
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:08.000
accusatory thing. You would get the comedy there because it's

668
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:10.039
two people with a body of work who would have

669
00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:12.160
the respect of the language of comedy, and they are

670
00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:16.240
both celebrities, and it would just be different that if

671
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:19.119
I randomly throughout that question, I would love that. And

672
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:21.279
then the flip side of that, I think would make

673
00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:24.039
a lot of sense. You also talked about what should

674
00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:27.880
Dave do these days? And I think doing hits on

675
00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:32.039
Mullaney's thing is actually perfect. It allows him to be

676
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:35.519
elder statesman, but it allows him to appear as the

677
00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:37.559
Dave that you and I fell in love with. So

678
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:41.680
for seven minutes he can be goofy eighties Dave and

679
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:45.759
let Mulaney be goofy eighties Dave turned Mulaney and do

680
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:49.119
the weird o late night show, and Dave can show in,

681
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:51.279
show up and do seven minutes and be fun and

682
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:53.160
then go back to hanging out.

683
00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:57.720
Yeah, that's exactly I think mullany show and twelve more.

684
00:31:57.759 --> 00:31:58.759
He's got twelve more coming?

685
00:31:58.839 --> 00:32:01.440
Is that the Yeah, we don't know when or where

686
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:03.880
or what it's going to be called, but yes, twelve

687
00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:06.400
more at some point, and that's going to be an event,

688
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:09.400
right because the first six six ' eight whatever it was,

689
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:13.400
we're very well received. So that raises the bar. So

690
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:15.920
Netflix has to book a little harder because all eyes

691
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:17.680
are going to be it on this time. Now it's

692
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:20.240
not an experiment. Now it's John Mullaney's a late night show.

693
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:23.039
Have Dave back, because you know what Dave's gonna do,

694
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:25.519
and he'll do it well for eight minutes, and then

695
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:27.839
he can hang out further down the couch, which is

696
00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:29.880
just a wonderful phrase to say. Right, that's very Carson

697
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:33.240
moved down the couch and it's great. We're all gonna

698
00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:33.599
watch it.

699
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:36.519
Yeah, and I think, okay, so Dave was on the

700
00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:39.039
first hunk, why put him on the second hunt? No,

701
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:41.359
because the idea of Friends of the Show, like, we've

702
00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:43.039
got a little segment called Friends of that you are one.

703
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:44.920
You're gonna be invited him one day. We'll bring in

704
00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:47.000
a couple of letterman writers or people or whatever, and

705
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:48.160
then a couple of friends of the show and we

706
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:50.519
all just have a We did our first one a

707
00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:53.279
couple of weeks ago, and it was fantastic. The idea

708
00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:55.519
that mulany is building friends of the show. And one

709
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:57.680
of the friends of the show happens to be the

710
00:32:57.680 --> 00:32:59.559
best of the guy who is the best ever at it.

711
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:01.519
I think you know again, I don't. I don't go

712
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:04.920
the King, I go the Godfather. Okay, fine, Johnny was

713
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:08.200
don Vito, Dave is Michael. But to have him have

714
00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:10.599
these friends of the show come back on and have

715
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:14.680
some fun again, that's old Carson, like you just said,

716
00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:16.920
like when Frank and Dean would come on and they

717
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:20.359
would do this, or Rickles would come on. That I

718
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:23.720
believe is something that John would certainly want to add

719
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:25.200
as an ingredient to what he's doing.

720
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:28.640
In my mind anyway, Yeah, you're handing in an entertainment show.

721
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:31.440
So whether it's me booking you, you booking me, we

722
00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:33.240
know what each other is going to do. We didn't

723
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:34.880
prep it all for this. You just said, do you

724
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:36.640
want to come on? I said, yeah. We didn't talk

725
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:37.960
at all. I didn't ask you what we're going to

726
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:40.720
talk about. Obviously, David Letterman is a subject on your podcast.

727
00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:42.440
I knew would be all over the place, like I'm

728
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:43.519
dragging you all over the place.

729
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:44.519
Good, but thank you.

730
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:46.319
Please, do you know what I'm going to do? I

731
00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:47.559
know what you're gonna do if we go in the

732
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:49.920
other direction. So if you book David Letterman, you know

733
00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:52.680
what he's going to do. If I ever had John

734
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:55.519
mullaney on my podcast, I'd ask him a question like

735
00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:57.839
what are you up to, and then shut up while

736
00:33:57.839 --> 00:33:59.720
he told a six minute story, because I know m'laney

737
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:02.079
tells six minute stories, and you don't step on them

738
00:34:02.119 --> 00:34:05.200
and ruin the flow. You let him get to the punchline.

739
00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:07.640
And that's back too. And I teach this at my

740
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:10.719
podcasting companies. I teach this to host and it's called

741
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:14.280
Johnny Carson theory. And when you have a good guest,

742
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:16.599
shut up and let them tell their story.

743
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:17.360
My o mind.

744
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:19.519
We're having some fun now and we're making money today

745
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:22.079
when all these commercial breaks. Look, it's a long episode.

746
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:23.400
And as I told you the top, if I don't

747
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:25.320
do a break every twenty minutes, one gets dropped on

748
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:28.280
your head mid sentence, and that's worse than this. Hey,

749
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:30.320
let me make a couple bucks and it'll be right back.

750
00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:36.679
Carson was so perfect at letting somebody go on about

751
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:39.119
something and then would come back with that razor sharp

752
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:42.000
response that would take It was like a bow. It

753
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:43.960
was like that person was assembling a present for them,

754
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:45.920
and Johnny just put the bow on it and made

755
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:48.760
the present look so much better. He was so good

756
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:51.760
at making his guests shine, whether they were at the

757
00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:54.320
pinnacle of entertainment, like a Frank Sinatra or the gal

758
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:57.400
from nebra wherever it was Nebraska or the Midwest who

759
00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:00.199
had the potato chip collection. He was just so good

760
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:04.119
at building these little moments with very little and listening

761
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:05.840
being one of the paramount skills.

762
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:09.599
And then we see in the GQ article where they

763
00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:12.679
brought up the abrasive David Letterman from the eighties where

764
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:15.920
his rep was not a good interviewer, not a safe harbor.

765
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:17.800
You might go on there to promote your movie and

766
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:20.840
get attacked by this contankerous host who doesn't want to

767
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:23.920
do guests and just wants to throw stuff of a

768
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:28.159
five story tower. He did evolve into a really good interviewer,

769
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:32.440
but the early Dave almost had no time for celebrities

770
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:34.840
and would rather have the wacky guest that showed up

771
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:36.079
at one point fifteen.

772
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:38.920
Yeah, and he was nervous. You watched them of the

773
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:41.719
Morning Show clips and he's nervous. And I love watching

774
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:44.760
his interactions with Tom Snyder. I really got into that

775
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:47.119
earlier in the year we had Tom's daughter on and

776
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:49.320
so I went down that rabbit hole big time, and

777
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:52.159
I've been down it many times before. But one of

778
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:54.079
the things that Tom Snyder and is he would call

779
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:56.320
people kid. And he used to call that to Dave.

780
00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:59.679
He say, oh, it's okay kid. Watching Dave and Tom

781
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:05.559
tok during the Morning Show era was very interesting because

782
00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:09.760
you could just see reverence but also nervousness that he had.

783
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:11.960
And then we have been able to This is the

784
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:16.239
wonderful thing about these legacy the very very few legacy

785
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:19.360
entertainers that we have seen, we've been able to see

786
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:24.000
their evolution. Whereas now he turned he completely switched the

787
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:27.760
volume switches. It used to be that the right equalizer

788
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:30.519
was turned up all the way, the goofiness, the isoteric stuff,

789
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:34.840
the observational with the twist stuff, and now it's still there,

790
00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:36.599
but it's turned down, and the interview was down. But

791
00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:38.920
now the interview he's what's Dave doing? Now he's doing

792
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:41.639
the Tom Snyder thing. He's doing the long form and

793
00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:44.280
making someone like me, who's forty eight at the time

794
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.800
it's recording, give a damn about Billie Eilish and I

795
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:49.360
do and my gateway I really I get it. I'm

796
00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:52.599
a music guy. I'm a huge music guy, and about

797
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:54.039
I don't know. A year and a half ago, I

798
00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:55.800
was listening to one of Billy's songs. It just come

799
00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:57.639
on and instead of it just being in the background,

800
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:00.480
I actually I get it. I'm a fan. Yeah, I'm

801
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:03.039
a huge fan of Billie Eilish now the way I

802
00:37:03.159 --> 00:37:05.159
was with some of the bands that I loved growing up,

803
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:08.960
and the gateway to that was Dave introducing me to her.

804
00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:12.320
And it's interesting watching that happen, and I'm so grateful

805
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:15.960
he's still doing I'm so grateful he views retirement completely different.

806
00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:18.719
I loved when Zach talked to him about that. Al

807
00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:20.880
Franken right before Dave retired, he came on for his

808
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:23.440
last Senator. Franken came on and said, before you go

809
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:26.199
off and become an eccentric recluse. And I think we

810
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:28.840
all thought that was gonna happen, and he's done anything

811
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:29.400
but that.

812
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:34.000
And the Beard kind of screamed eccentric recluse. Talk about

813
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:36.880
Tom Snyder. There's a guy that if we had an

814
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:40.480
alternate timeline with technology, Yep, the headline in nineteen eighty

815
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:43.280
two would be Tom Snyder starting a podcast, and he

816
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:45.920
would have been really good at it. Let him talk

817
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:47.440
to somebody for three twenty.

818
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:50.960
Yep, yeah, oh good. That is a fantastic point. Because

819
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:54.199
he took he would be able to take long form anywhere. Again,

820
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:55.960
like you said, makes it a little makes it a

821
00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:58.679
little dangerous. He wasn't afraid to talk about anything. He

822
00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:00.880
was a big man. He was not afraid to talk

823
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:04.360
to people, ask them the hard questions. Wasn't afraid to say, hey, buddy.

824
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:06.519
I disagree. He wasn't like Rogan in the sense where

825
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:11.119
Rogan doesn't he shows interest, he's engaged, he's very well read,

826
00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:13.800
but he doesn't show a ton of emotion, where Tom

827
00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:16.920
brought that to the table. And I love that about him.

828
00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:18.559
I love the emotion that he would bring when he

829
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:19.360
was talking to people.

830
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:22.559
I think Cavitt would have been a great podcaster. Bob

831
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:25.519
Costas would have been a great podcaster. And they're all

832
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:29.760
doing shades of the same thing, long form deep interviews

833
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:31.159
without a clock.

834
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:34.679
It's what people want. I understand the algorithm and what

835
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:37.440
the algorithm wants to make technology sticky, to keep people

836
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:39.599
looking at it and whatever and have them tune out.

837
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:42.119
I understand that, but I think the reason that the

838
00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:44.719
biggest podcast in the world and many of the other

839
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:49.960
runners up are long form. And Dave during the press

840
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:52.360
conference when they brought tom over, one of the ways

841
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:53.719
he introduced him was he said, I was one of

842
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:56.239
those people that probably watched eighty to eighty five percent

843
00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:58.679
of all of the first run of The Tomorrow Show

844
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:01.880
no VCRs back then. He was so long form and

845
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:04.360
radio of course, so your backgrounds radio as well. So yeah,

846
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:07.440
I'm really glad that long form is I think, and

847
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:09.039
not to get political, because I don't have a dog

848
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:11.559
in the fight. I'm Canadian, so all of my tidings

849
00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:14.519
and opinions have maple syrup flavor attached to them. I

850
00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:16.719
believe the last election had to do with long form

851
00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:19.679
versus sound bites down on the States. I really do

852
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:22.880
believe that long form will win the day because it's

853
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:25.960
what people are craving. People want this exchange where we

854
00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:28.639
are present and the conversation will win the day. It's

855
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:30.760
why stand up is so big. Right now, you have

856
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:34.320
somebody who's up on stage for an hour not being interrupted,

857
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:38.559
and the beginning, middle and end of these presentations as

858
00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:40.920
leading to bucks it's leading to commerce. It's been a

859
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:42.920
big year this year. We're at the end of the year.

860
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:45.039
While we're recording this thing, I want to ask you.

861
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:46.639
I don't know if you've actually released the list yet

862
00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:48.519
and when you're going to release the list, but you

863
00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:50.960
constantly talk about on the Daily Comedy News what's going

864
00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:53.480
to be in the top twenty, and I'm super curious

865
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:57.039
how your list is forming. Is the year? Is the

866
00:39:57.079 --> 00:39:59.880
list done? Are you ready to go? Is it close?

867
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:02.320
The list starts on so this is the list of

868
00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:05.199
top comedy specials of the year. It starts on January first.

869
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:08.239
I open up a new note and as I watch

870
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:11.599
comedy specials, I rank them. So I was joking, somebody's

871
00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:13.559
got one coming out like January eighth, and I'm like,

872
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:14.880
that's going to be the number one special of the

873
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:17.320
year at that point, and then the next one is

874
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:21.639
either higher or lower. And I work the specials and

875
00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:25.119
I'm going to record it after Ronnie Ching comes out,

876
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:28.360
because Jason Zinnemann from The New York Times, he has

877
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:30.440
that as the number one special of the year. So

878
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:33.239
if he's got it at number one, I'm pretty confident

879
00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:35.800
it's got to be in my Top twenty. But back

880
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:38.320
to Zinnaman. So I've been talking about this a little bit.

881
00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:38.760
Yeap.

882
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:43.119
Now before I get letters, everybody, listen to what I'm saying.

883
00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:44.280
Before I get letters.

884
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:47.119
Our audience actually throw darts. They don't send letters. Our

885
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:48.239
audience throws darts.

886
00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:51.199
So anyway, continue, all right, everybody, I'll say something and

887
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:52.960
I'll ramble for a second to let you think about it.

888
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:55.800
Who is the comedian of the year? Everybody, Okay, who's

889
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:58.800
the comedian of the year. Now, I'll let everybody think

890
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:00.719
about that on all ramble for a second. I could

891
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:03.079
make a case for Joe Rogan. Some people think he

892
00:41:03.079 --> 00:41:05.840
helped win the election. I can make a case for

893
00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:09.199
Tony Hingecliff. Some people thought he had cost someone the

894
00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:12.559
election and killed. Tony's pretty popular. I can make a

895
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:17.360
case for Nate Brigetzi, who has a Christmas special out

896
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:21.079
and a Netflix special December twenty fourth, before the end

897
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:23.159
of the year, and everybody loves him and he sells

898
00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:28.199
out arenas. So Jason Zenneman named Nicki Glazer. And this

899
00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:30.039
is where I fear the letters that, oh, you just

900
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:33.360
ate women, and I don't have two daughters. NICKI killed

901
00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:36.159
at The Roast, But I don't think her. I don't

902
00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:39.800
think her HBO special. The critics seem to like it,

903
00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:42.199
but I don't see that it had a big impact.

904
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:44.280
I didn't see buzz on it. Even the week after

905
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:46.119
her special came out, people were talking about her on

906
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:49.320
The Roast and she had probably the set of the

907
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:53.360
year at the Roast. Yeah, and The Roast is probably

908
00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:55.599
going to be number one on my list, and I've

909
00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:58.559
been open about that unless Chang knocks it off. I

910
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:00.440
have things like a Tell or way up there. But

911
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:04.519
The Roast was just an amazing television anyway. So Zennyman,

912
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:07.599
who has Rodnie Chang as number one, maybe I won't

913
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:10.039
agree with him because he gave Nikki Glazer Comedian of

914
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:12.559
the Year. As I've said on my show, Jason Zinneman

915
00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:15.920
knows more about comedy than I do. I dip my

916
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:17.519
head in bow.

917
00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:18.400
To the supremacy of Zinnemann.

918
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:21.760
Absolutely one hundred, but I personally am not feeling it.

919
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:25.920
And I would personally put Nate as number one this year.

920
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:28.159
Oh and Malany is definitely in the conversation as well.

921
00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:30.440
Malaysia should be in the conversation. Gaffigan should be in

922
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:31.079
the conversation.

923
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:31.559
Yep.

924
00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:34.239
Anyway, that was three minutes of me saying that I

925
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:35.599
may not agree with Ronnie Chang.

926
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:38.760
Why this is why you are a friend of the show.

927
00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:41.440
This is this. I love hearing your opinion on this

928
00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:44.679
stuff and being able to like the one thing about Bergazi. Okay,

929
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:46.199
So when you say the comedian of the year, it's

930
00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:50.239
such a subjective. It's a subjective topic anyway, because if

931
00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:53.280
you're picking Glazer, you're picking Hinchcliff. You've got people who

932
00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:56.400
have polarized. They've done what some of the comedians in

933
00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:59.079
the past that would have been called controversial in the

934
00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:01.559
eighties and nineties, there are controversial comedians that kind of

935
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:04.960
came along. Was Sam Kinnison in his at the zenith

936
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:07.880
of his career? Was he the comedian of the year?

937
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:10.199
If he was, and he very well may have been.

938
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:12.360
At the height of when Kinnison was doing what he

939
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:15.000
was doing, he was dividing a lot of people. He

940
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:17.480
was not the family comedian. He was not the person

941
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:20.559
that the whole family would sit around and watch or

942
00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:24.039
listen to a record of. And Tony and Nicky would

943
00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:26.119
certainly be in that category. Where's he got a guy

944
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:30.079
like Nate who is literally for the whole family, but

945
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:33.840
can kill just as hard. It's like Norm MacDonald going

946
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:36.440
on Communitians and cars getting coffee, actually saying to Jerry,

947
00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:39.599
you know what, being clean is the harder discipline. Now,

948
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:43.360
I personally I love Jerry, always have. Norm MacDonald has

949
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:45.320
such a special place in my heart. Do I let

950
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:47.599
my six year old granddaughter watch Norm? No? Not unless

951
00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:51.280
he's on Letterman then maybe. So. I like Nate. I

952
00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:53.559
can see why you would say Nate, oh my gosh.

953
00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:55.760
I think the worldwide appeal that he has. I think

954
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:58.840
the I watched him that week when the roast happened.

955
00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:01.920
I was in La and I saw David Letterman interview

956
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:06.679
Nate Bergazzi at the Ricardo Montabon Theater, which was laced

957
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:09.880
with rich Corinthian leather by the way, and Nate is

958
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:12.960
just He's one of these guys who you can tell

959
00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:18.079
is so dedicated to his craft, partially because of the

960
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:21.960
things he could say but doesn't say because he wants

961
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:26.320
to stay in that lane. He's an extremely talented and

962
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:28.920
the heart that he has. I can totally see why

963
00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:31.159
you'd say, Nate, that is a That's a great answer

964
00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:34.039
for me. For me, it's probably Neil Brennan. Neil Brennan

965
00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:38.000
Special this year. I absolutely loved that special and I

966
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:41.679
love what Neil is doing. He's probably my personal favorite.

967
00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:43.280
But when you're gonna go and say, Okay, who's the

968
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:44.920
community of the Year, Nate Bergazzi, I think is a

969
00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:46.440
phenomenal answer, that's it.

970
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:49.199
And like you say, this is all subjective, Like I'm

971
00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:52.159
not looking to arm wrestle Jason Zinnemanner, You're wrong, Nate.

972
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:54.920
Neil Brennan's not the Comedia of the It's all subjective.

973
00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:57.880
Whatever you found funny, whatever somebody found funny, it's all good.

974
00:44:58.199 --> 00:44:59.079
It's just a list.

975
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:01.119
I'm just pre taped an episode because I don't want

976
00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:02.480
to work Christmas Day. That's all.

977
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:05.000
This is love that you have the roastes number one,

978
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:08.960
because would people necessarily gravitate to that towards a comedy special?

979
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:12.119
And here it is something that that gives Michael j

980
00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:14.960
and Colin Joe's a shot at the title with the

981
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:17.880
show that they're doing highlighting other comedians, which I love

982
00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:20.559
that the throwback kind of a deal where they're showcasing

983
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:23.000
like Rodney used to do back in the day. It's

984
00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:25.280
a good. But one thing that I think that all

985
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:27.880
of us will probably agree with it is a very

986
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:29.320
good time to be a fan of comedy.

987
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:34.440
Oh yeah, distribution, ability to see people that we have

988
00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:36.960
all these Netflix specials, now Hulu's jumped in, you have

989
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:41.519
the HBO specials. Anyone can sell release on YouTube. And

990
00:45:41.559 --> 00:45:43.760
this is why I always advise my audience if you

991
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:47.800
go to a comedy festival, go to the showcase shows,

992
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:52.679
go to the local small club slash bar where they

993
00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:56.920
have six comics doing sets. Don't go see Chris Rock.

994
00:45:57.079 --> 00:45:58.039
Do I like Chris Rock?

995
00:45:58.119 --> 00:45:58.360
Yes?

996
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:01.480
I at the Las Vegas Comedy Festival one time. I

997
00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:04.159
saw Seinfeld and Rock on back to back nights, and

998
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:06.920
Seinfeld is justifiably at the top of his game and

999
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:09.800
Rock was a very close number two. But if I

1000
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:12.320
went to I don't know, the Toronto Comedy Festival, I'm

1001
00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:15.280
not going to go see Chris Rock because I know

1002
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:17.360
what he can do and I can watch him on Netflix.

1003
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:20.000
I'll go see ten people I've never heard of. I

1004
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:24.000
get much more out of that discovering comedy because the

1005
00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:26.599
big acts. Nate will come to your house on Christmas Eve.

1006
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:28.639
You don't have to go see him anymore. And I'm

1007
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:30.719
not trying to not sell tickets for people. Don't worry

1008
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:32.519
Nate and Jerry and Jim and they're all going to

1009
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:35.639
sell out very well. But for comedy fans, go see

1010
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:37.719
a smaller show. You never know who you're going to see.

1011
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:41.280
I remember Chicago Comedy Festival. It was a rainy night

1012
00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:44.440
and we were at it zanies and a guy named

1013
00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:46.320
Hannibal Barrus got up and crashed, and I was like, oh,

1014
00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:46.840
this is great.

1015
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:50.000
You think about how the phenomenon that has killed Tony

1016
00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:53.480
and for these overnight successes, right, we all know that's

1017
00:46:53.480 --> 00:46:55.559
a bunch of bs that most of the time it's

1018
00:46:55.559 --> 00:46:57.480
not an overnight success. There are people who have been

1019
00:46:57.679 --> 00:47:01.079
busting their butt for so long in the small clubs

1020
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:03.800
and kill Tony who people would go see it, or

1021
00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:05.599
they would watch it or listen to it, and they

1022
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:07.400
would say, this is the funniest thing that's out there

1023
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:10.360
right now. And seventy five people are a part of it.

1024
00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:13.159
Brian Redman and those guys. You got to whether you

1025
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:18.199
like them the concept whatever or don't, you cannot deny

1026
00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:21.159
the success that they've become. And it started as you're

1027
00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:23.320
talking about one of these showcase things, and it's so

1028
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:25.519
much fun. Just like a band when you discover the

1029
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:28.360
band that's the next Beec's thing before they become the

1030
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:31.840
next big thing. It's a great feeling. Oh that's great advice.

1031
00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:33.400
You're like a wealth of knowledge when it comes to

1032
00:47:33.440 --> 00:47:35.760
the stuff. You've been doing this for a while. Stop stop.

1033
00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:39.000
I love kill Tony. I understand the comedy snobbery of

1034
00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:41.639
it's just a minute, and a minute is not a

1035
00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:43.800
tight five, a tight eight, not an hour. I get it.

1036
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:47.559
I get it. Kill Tony is a show. I'm a civilian.

1037
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:49.599
I just want to sit down and listen to something,

1038
00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:52.599
watch something and be entertained. Somebody gets up for a minute.

1039
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:55.880
They're funny. Sometimes more often than not, they're not. Tony

1040
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:58.320
comes in with a sleigh, rips them to shreds. We

1041
00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:01.000
all laugh. One of the funniest of the year was

1042
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:04.159
Shane Gillis coming by in character as Trump and co

1043
00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:08.639
hosting the show as Trump. Oh my goodness, was that hilarious?

1044
00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:13.039
Oh so good, so good, Shane Gillis there, you go. Okay,

1045
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:16.199
So we mentioned a whole bunch of killers here who

1046
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:18.880
were in the conversation. There's a guy right there you

1047
00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:21.440
talk about a guy who's dealt with adversity, the public

1048
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:24.960
perception adversity in a way that just Chappelle same thing.

1049
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:29.400
People are apparently up in arms and just said, no,

1050
00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:31.039
I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing. I'm gonna

1051
00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:33.239
let my voice be heard. And Shane gillis right now

1052
00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:36.800
just a phenomenal talent. And yeah, that night where he

1053
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:39.440
came out as Donald Trump was fantastic.

1054
00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:41.960
And even Lauren Michaels admitted he blew it and count

1055
00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:44.159
out to NBC when they didn't want Shane on the

1056
00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:46.119
cast of SNL. You wish he had.

1057
00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:49.199
Shane, here's another reason why I love your show so much.

1058
00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:52.159
What I read one of the quotes, because I follow

1059
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:53.559
this stuff all the time and I see the stuff

1060
00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:57.960
online and recently though, Lauren, he did the same thing.

1061
00:48:58.000 --> 00:48:59.599
In my mind that what he did with Norm McDonald

1062
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:01.199
a little bit, he passed the buck over to the

1063
00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:03.960
network and you caught it too, and you talked about

1064
00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:06.320
it on your show. I love that you catch some

1065
00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:08.400
of these things and throw that out there because he

1066
00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:10.519
blamed it on NBC with Shane gillis.

1067
00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:13.599
My old mentor, guy named David Bernstein taught me this

1068
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:16.280
many years ago. He was I was the assistant program

1069
00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:18.320
director w or New York. Dave was the program director,

1070
00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:22.119
and he was teaching me the concept of Steinberner meaning

1071
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:25.719
George Steinberner. So anybody who is familiar with eighties letterman

1072
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:27.079
knows who George Steinberner is.

1073
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:28.199
I want to have to explain.

1074
00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:33.559
And he said to me, you know, sometimes George calls

1075
00:49:33.559 --> 00:49:35.400
you up and go, hey, I signed a player and

1076
00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:38.000
he's now the left fielder, and your job as the

1077
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:40.039
manager is to make that work. And then you can

1078
00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:42.039
go back to your office and you can throw a

1079
00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:44.480
rock against the wall and be mad that Steinberner is

1080
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:46.920
interfering with the plays you would have called and the

1081
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:50.000
team you would have had. But your job as the manager,

1082
00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:52.519
you're going to play this guy because the owner said so,

1083
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:56.440
even if you're Lorne Michaels. Sometimes you got to play

1084
00:49:56.440 --> 00:49:59.119
along with the network. We all have capital that we

1085
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:02.400
can use. Is this battle you want to fight or not?

1086
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:06.639
So is Lauren going to use his capital to defend

1087
00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:08.880
a guy that had been announced on the cast two

1088
00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:12.559
days earlier and take on the network for that as

1089
00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:15.599
opposed to say, I don't want to name names. If

1090
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:18.400
somebody on the current cast did something yep, and I

1091
00:50:18.440 --> 00:50:20.719
don't know what they would have done, and ABC was like, oh,

1092
00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:24.119
we should get rid of so and so. Maybe Lauren

1093
00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:26.239
goes to bat for somebody who's been on the show

1094
00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:29.239
for several years, a little more than using the political

1095
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:31.800
capital against all Right, we announced this guy, nobody knows

1096
00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:33.880
who he is. Whatever, We'll just pick somebody else to

1097
00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:35.679
be in the cast. Whatever. It wasn't a big deal.

1098
00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:38.119
Shane Gillis wasn't yet Shane Gillis.

1099
00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:41.280
Yeah, Yeah, that's a very good point. That's where it

1100
00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:44.440
differs from norm. This is the current this is the

1101
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:47.840
current anchor of Weekend Update, and this is happening where

1102
00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:50.480
Shane at that time. Yeah, so that's a very good point.

1103
00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:53.000
And let me drop another break in here, be right

1104
00:50:53.039 --> 00:51:00.360
back with more with Mike Chishom on The Letterman Podcast.

1105
00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:03.079
Let's talk about Satura in life here for a second,

1106
00:51:03.079 --> 00:51:06.239
because everybody seems to be I don't hear it's turning fifty.

1107
00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:11.639
That is a recurring joke on my show, inspired by

1108
00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:12.760
Letterman style humor.

1109
00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:15.559
Did you hear SNL is turning fifty? Yeah? I did

1110
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:19.039
hear something. I still think about SNL forty. I thought

1111
00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:21.559
SNL forty was one of the greatest, even though it

1112
00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:23.880
was some people say how long it was, Yeah, guess what,

1113
00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:27.679
it's forty years and it should be and let's highlight

1114
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:30.159
everybody before they start passing on. And in that ten

1115
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:35.400
years a lot have So I will always voraciously defend

1116
00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:38.480
SNL forty, but boy, SNL fifty has a lot to

1117
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:41.199
live up to because of that. And I can remember

1118
00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:44.320
in high school when the SNL fifteen anniversary, the Prime

1119
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:47.440
Time fifteen anniversary happened, and how much I loved it,

1120
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:50.599
and how being just in high school and seeing some

1121
00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:54.079
of the stuff from the Chris Guest Marty Short era

1122
00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:57.840
that I hadn't seen before because there were no VCRs

1123
00:51:57.840 --> 00:51:59.559
at that point as an elementary school, and I didn't

1124
00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:01.800
My cast was the day in the Carvey cast. So

1125
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:04.880
seeing some of this stuff and these anniversary shows were incredible.

1126
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:07.599
And they've just gotten bigger and bigger and bigger. SNL

1127
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:10.719
fifty is gonna be. It's February, right comes up in February.

1128
00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:13.639
I think I think it's February that it's coming out.

1129
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:16.119
And apparently they're inviting everybody back again. Apparently they're gonna

1130
00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:18.360
do the same thing that they've done in the past.

1131
00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:20.719
What a high wire act Michael's and company have.

1132
00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:23.679
So I have questions for you. Let's work work this through.

1133
00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:26.840
Let's start with the credits. Do you have Daryl Hammond

1134
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:31.320
do Don Pardo and announce two hundred names? Like, how

1135
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:33.360
do you even handle the credits? How do you handle that?

1136
00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:36.000
Who gets to say live from New York?

1137
00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:36.880
Do you pick?

1138
00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:40.239
Do you go across the eras so it's somebody from

1139
00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:43.079
the original cast and Eddie Murphy and Will Ferrell and

1140
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:45.480
Tina or somebody and Bowen Yang? Like how do you

1141
00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:47.239
handle that? Who gets to say it?

1142
00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:47.400
Like?

1143
00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:49.920
Where do you give the honor to one person? Do

1144
00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:52.199
two hundred people come out on the stage and say? Like,

1145
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:54.519
how do you even produce that show? It's one thing

1146
00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:57.159
to be like, Okay, Gary Krueger stand in the back.

1147
00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:01.280
That's fine, and we understand that part of it. But yeah,

1148
00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:03.519
what a show that's going to be and an absolute

1149
00:53:03.719 --> 00:53:04.320
must watch.

1150
00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:08.159
Absolutely, And Lauren, whether you don't like, I think SNL

1151
00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:10.000
is suffering from a little bit of what's going on

1152
00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:12.559
in the culture here. I've jokingly called again the American

1153
00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:15.719
election the bud Light election. Where you've got this sort

1154
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:17.679
of just like with bud Light, you've got a sort

1155
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:21.079
of silent majority that sits there and when something happens,

1156
00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:25.280
they react. I think SNL has been trying to figure

1157
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:28.920
out its tone as to what should we be putting

1158
00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:31.320
out there, and I think this season, because of me,

1159
00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:34.280
you're talking, it's SNL fifty and the ratings are at

1160
00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:37.360
a place where it's okay, is the tone exactly what

1161
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:40.239
everyone is looking for because the ratings have been soft.

1162
00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:41.920
I don't think SNL fifty is going to be soft,

1163
00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:44.000
by the way, and I don't think SNL fifty is

1164
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:46.119
going to have a political tone or leaning. I think

1165
00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:48.119
it's going to be a historical look, which is why

1166
00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:50.159
I think it's going to be such an almost a

1167
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:53.280
refreshing show because it's not going to be about social

1168
00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:55.920
commentary in any way. And I think that might be

1169
00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:57.440
something that they're wrestling with right now. I think that

1170
00:53:57.480 --> 00:53:59.320
might be I didn't want to call it a growing

1171
00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:01.199
pin because they're grown, but it might be a little

1172
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:03.920
bit of a struggle that they're having right now.

1173
00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:07.000
Yeah, I have found this season weird. So season forty

1174
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:10.519
nine was not good, ye, Season fifty has leaned into

1175
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:14.199
this weirdness I'm finding now again I'm a podcaster of

1176
00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:17.159
the basement and LORDE. Michaels is Lord Michaels. So again

1177
00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:19.360
I bend the knee. Loren, you clearly know what you're

1178
00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:20.559
doing and I don't, yep.

1179
00:54:20.599 --> 00:54:22.880
But as a watcher, yeah, as the audience, and I

1180
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:25.239
think the audience has a this is why podcasting has

1181
00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:27.519
blown up. The audience gets to speak back sometimes.

1182
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:30.639
What is the point in season fifty of Dana Carvey

1183
00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:31.559
opening the show as.

1184
00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:33.519
The church lady? What is the point of that?

1185
00:54:33.559 --> 00:54:36.119
He wasn't the guest host, It was just and Dana

1186
00:54:36.159 --> 00:54:38.960
Carvey's sort of on the cast? Now, what is the

1187
00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:42.559
point of having Jim Gaffigan play Governor Wallas? Was Jim

1188
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:46.679
Gaffigan good at it? Absolutely? But is that such a

1189
00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:49.800
complicated impression that nobody on the current cast could take

1190
00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:53.519
that on? Like, I don't understand the creative choices of

1191
00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:57.079
not using the current cast because you're not building stars.

1192
00:54:57.239 --> 00:55:00.000
So a year from now it's going to be SNL

1193
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:03.039
fifty one. Do you still have jostin Cha? Do you

1194
00:55:03.079 --> 00:55:05.480
still have Bowen Yang? And if you don't have those guys,

1195
00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:08.760
you're in a rebuild year off the big celebration that

1196
00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:10.199
could get ugly really quick.

1197
00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:10.679
Yep.

1198
00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:16.559
The breakout star next one might possibly perhaps be Marcelo Hernandez,

1199
00:55:16.599 --> 00:55:18.880
but I also feel like he does a one note

1200
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:20.920
character and YE shows.

1201
00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:23.199
Up that Marcelo's funny. But let's see if it, if

1202
00:55:23.199 --> 00:55:26.199
he can evolve or whatever else. What Sherman's my girl?

1203
00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:26.719
I love her.

1204
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:30.519
I think Sarah Sherman is fantastic, but so let's put

1205
00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:31.400
her in some sketches.

1206
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:35.119
Yeah, exactly. You don't want The last thing you want

1207
00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:37.320
is to be on that show. Is that is the

1208
00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:39.719
Chris Rock there for three or four years or whatever.

1209
00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:41.320
And I love Chris when he was on the show.

1210
00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:44.239
But then he goes and does the HBO thing. He does.

1211
00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:46.840
What was his big special? I was gonna say, row,

1212
00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:48.960
that's Eddie Murphy and Chris Rocks was bring the paint.

1213
00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:49.599
Was to bring the paint.

1214
00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:50.960
It was bigger and blacker.

1215
00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:54.039
Yeah, and he leaves SNL and suddenly, oh my god,

1216
00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:56.599
look at the guy. And you don't want to if

1217
00:55:56.639 --> 00:55:59.000
you're producing that show, you don't want to have too

1218
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:00.800
many of those people. You want those people to pop

1219
00:56:01.000 --> 00:56:03.119
like Eddie Murphy did while we are actually on the show.

1220
00:56:03.719 --> 00:56:05.960
But yeah, it's a fantastic time to be looking at

1221
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:10.119
all this stuff. Gosh, you and I could do this effortlessly,

1222
00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:12.000
and I love that what happened we talked about what

1223
00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:12.880
were some other things that we.

1224
00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:15.639
Oh, we haven't talked about David Letterman. Isn't this a

1225
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:16.840
David Letterman podcast?

1226
00:56:18.360 --> 00:56:19.440
It was not.

1227
00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:20.400
I have you ever seen a show?

1228
00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:24.920
You would like it? I'll check it out. I'll check

1229
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:27.280
it out. I said, I gotta go get a Samsung TV.

1230
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:27.599
Now.

1231
00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:30.159
I wonder if because on the YouTube channel, I've had

1232
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:31.719
a couple of people reach out to me and say, hey,

1233
00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:35.679
it seems like on YouTube they did this experiment a

1234
00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:37.559
couple months ago. Or if you looked at the Letterman

1235
00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:41.079
YouTube channel, there was a live tab and you could

1236
00:56:41.079 --> 00:56:43.199
just click it and it was going through a lot

1237
00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:45.280
of these clips, many of which hadn't gone on. I

1238
00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:48.119
wonder if that was a test pattern or a test balloon.

1239
00:56:48.159 --> 00:56:50.800
I should say for the Fast channel. It's gonna be

1240
00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:52.840
interesting to see if they put those back on YouTube again.

1241
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:54.840
I don't know if it's an exclusive thing with Samsung.

1242
00:56:55.000 --> 00:56:56.679
I don't know if some of these other could Roku

1243
00:56:56.840 --> 00:56:59.440
now also say oh, Samsung did it we're gonna sign

1244
00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:01.519
a deal. I don't know if it's exclusive. I didn't

1245
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:04.079
see that word in any of the press releases this week,

1246
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:05.320
did you now?

1247
00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:08.880
I didn't you know that they gave it channel one thousand. Yeah,

1248
00:57:09.159 --> 00:57:11.880
says something to me. I know when I was at Serious,

1249
00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:15.599
what channel number you would get would be a massive discussion.

1250
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:17.480
You have no idea what a big discussion is what

1251
00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:18.480
channel number you get?

1252
00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:18.920
Really?

1253
00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:21.480
Notice, Howard is channel one hundred.

1254
00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:23.039
One hundred and one to one Howard? Yeah, And I

1255
00:57:23.119 --> 00:57:25.360
know that as a Canadian that doesn't even have Serious

1256
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:25.840
and I know that.

1257
00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:28.639
Yeah, so that was a discussion as opposed to what's

1258
00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:31.840
the next available channel? Okay, Howard one thirty four? Yeah,

1259
00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:34.159
so that was a thing. So that it's channel one

1260
00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:37.719
thousand makes me think that it's some sort of showcase

1261
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:42.119
for the Samsung TV product. So I have a Samsung TV.

1262
00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:44.960
There's a button on the remote that will take it

1263
00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:47.440
to those channels. The only time I ever use it

1264
00:57:47.480 --> 00:57:49.360
is when I accidentally hit the wrong button and that

1265
00:57:49.400 --> 00:57:51.119
comes on and then I'm an old man. It takes

1266
00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:52.519
me half an hour to figure how to get out

1267
00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:56.599
of it. PlayStation damn it yeah, And last night I

1268
00:57:56.719 --> 00:57:59.440
was trying to get to the Letterman channel and I

1269
00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:01.760
got to it and I had trouble getting out of it.

1270
00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:05.679
But they did have a showcased in their big advertising carousel,

1271
00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:11.039
So maybe they're trying to draw more attention to using

1272
00:58:11.079 --> 00:58:13.840
those service because there is money in advertising. I don't

1273
00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:16.599
know who sells for them, but as I tell my

1274
00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:20.480
college students and my producers, the answer is always money, right. Yeah,

1275
00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:23.159
I do agree with you that there's a legacy point

1276
00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:25.199
to this, because I've dealt with people in the Hope

1277
00:58:25.239 --> 00:58:27.880
of State, the Cavita State, and those two cases. There

1278
00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:32.000
are definitely legacy parts of let's keep the name out

1279
00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:33.079
of the carson A State as well.

1280
00:58:33.199 --> 00:58:34.440
Yeahsolutely absolutely.

1281
00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:36.199
And you and I've talked to all the same people

1282
00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:38.239
we are referring to here, and it's not a secret.

1283
00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:40.119
I'm not like, oh, don't tell anyone who we were,

1284
00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:42.800
but that's not saying nobody knows who that is. We've

1285
00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:45.599
talked to those guys. So I think there's a legacy

1286
00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:48.639
play here. But fast channels, you can't skip the ads,

1287
00:58:48.679 --> 00:58:51.559
so let's make some money. I don't know, but that

1288
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:54.119
it's Channel one thousand isn't an accident.

1289
00:58:54.679 --> 00:58:57.679
Yeah, I agree. I totally agree with that also, But

1290
00:58:57.719 --> 00:58:59.960
before we finish too, and I know it's an interesting

1291
00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:02.199
kind of seguey back, but you think about Legacy, who

1292
00:59:02.239 --> 00:59:05.039
also has a fast Channel as Conan O'Brien, he was

1293
00:59:05.079 --> 00:59:09.000
there before hosting the Oscars this year. Really excited about that.

1294
00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:11.320
But at the same time, that guy is he's having

1295
00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:13.000
a tough week, and I just want to throw a

1296
00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:16.280
shout out to Conan O'Brien right now. I can't even

1297
00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:19.400
imagine what he's going through, losing his parents this week

1298
00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:22.679
and within days of each other, and I'm really glad

1299
00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:25.039
that he's hosting the Oscars. I love Conan. I've always

1300
00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:29.800
loved Conan unabashed lee, and I think it seems right

1301
00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:31.079
to me that he's going to host the Oscars. So

1302
00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:33.039
we want to throw love out to him very much.

1303
00:59:33.079 --> 00:59:34.880
So I know both of us feel that way. But

1304
00:59:35.039 --> 00:59:37.639
Conan hosting the Oscars. I love that Kimmel did it.

1305
00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:39.440
I think it's a car I love that Letterman did it,

1306
00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:42.119
of course, unnaturally, love that Dave only did it once.

1307
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:44.480
Even though people say it was a disaster, it was not.

1308
00:59:44.599 --> 00:59:47.400
It was actually really good. Then they started immediately creating

1309
00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:49.320
the narrative that it was a disaster, which I think

1310
00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:52.960
is charming and very Dave. But I believe Conan. This

1311
00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:56.480
is long overdue. He killed it at the Emmys before.

1312
00:59:56.599 --> 00:59:58.599
I'm excited about Conan doing the Oscars. How about you?

1313
00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:04.440
Yeah, because unlike Dave, where it's Dave's unnatural element, Conan

1314
01:00:04.519 --> 01:00:06.559
will put on a straw hat and perform at a

1315
01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:10.360
live version of Mono Rail became the Sensen sketch and

1316
01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:13.480
walk around and sing and dance, and if he's awkward

1317
01:00:13.519 --> 01:00:16.880
singing and dancing, doesn't care, and he will do that.

1318
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:20.360
So I think as a performer he'll do really well.

1319
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:24.199
I think the industry likes him. There aren't anti Conan people.

1320
01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:27.360
He's someone that people root for. He's charming, He's been

1321
01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:30.840
around for thirty years. And then after the first fifteen minutes,

1322
01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:35.159
unless something wacky happens involving Will Smith, the host disappears

1323
01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:36.199
the back end of that show.

1324
01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:38.400
Yeah, Kim Oll a couple of years ago came out

1325
01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:40.199
and did a Trump joke on the fly, which was

1326
01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:43.639
clearly written during the show. I'll be very interested to

1327
01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:47.159
see if Conan's sitting there with Smigel and somehow, some

1328
01:00:47.280 --> 01:00:49.800
way they can figure out a way to add and

1329
01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:53.480
not necessarily political necessary, but something that would be very

1330
01:00:53.519 --> 01:00:56.760
current in that moment and spontaneity which Conan is of

1331
01:00:56.800 --> 01:00:59.199
course very good at. If you watch him in front

1332
01:00:59.199 --> 01:01:00.760
of some of these crowd that he would perform. He

1333
01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:02.559
he'd go to Comic Con every year and do a

1334
01:01:02.639 --> 01:01:06.199
show there, and the spontaneity that would happen there obviously

1335
01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:07.800
also very let him and ask let him and used

1336
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:10.199
to add spotan eighty to his programs. It would be

1337
01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:12.440
very cool to add some of that to what could

1338
01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:16.920
be a very dull show. I've loved episodes of the Oscars.

1339
01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:20.239
I have loathed episodes of the Oscars. I believe that

1340
01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:22.320
the DAC is stacked for this to be a love.

1341
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:26.599
I would caution Conan and smile. I come at this.

1342
01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:29.960
I come at this as a strategist, not from a

1343
01:01:29.960 --> 01:01:33.400
political angle. If we look at the recent election cycle, yep,

1344
01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:36.559
factually Trump won. Yep, that's just a fact. I may

1345
01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:38.559
like him, you may like him, you may not. So

1346
01:01:38.599 --> 01:01:42.559
somebody out there is a fan of Trump, generally profiling

1347
01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:48.239
the stereotypical Hollywood celebrity, the stereotypical Hollywood celebrity. I think

1348
01:01:48.280 --> 01:01:50.840
if you walk down the street, most people would be like, oh,

1349
01:01:50.840 --> 01:01:53.880
they're Democrats. Okay, fine, Yes, So if you on the

1350
01:01:53.920 --> 01:01:57.920
fly start making Trump jokes during the Oscars, yes, you're

1351
01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:00.440
playing to the room. You will kill in the room. Yeah,

1352
01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:03.039
but do you kill at home? And then my question

1353
01:02:03.159 --> 01:02:07.320
is a strategist on a celebration of the Academy Awards,

1354
01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:09.840
why are you even going there make a joke about

1355
01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:10.639
Tom Cruise?

1356
01:02:10.880 --> 01:02:12.800
Yeah? And that's where I was talking about. I wasn't

1357
01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:15.599
talking about the topic so much. I was more I

1358
01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:18.360
just really was impressed with when Kimmel came out and

1359
01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:21.159
it was a it was something that was done kind

1360
01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:23.039
of real time because he was responding to something that

1361
01:02:23.079 --> 01:02:24.599
was happening in real time and you could tell it

1362
01:02:24.599 --> 01:02:26.760
was spontaneous. And that's more the spirit of what I'm

1363
01:02:26.800 --> 01:02:30.880
talking about, exactly. If it's something about one of the

1364
01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:33.599
biggest stars in the audience and something they're wearing or

1365
01:02:33.639 --> 01:02:36.440
something they're doing, something that you can tell wasn't canned.

1366
01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:38.760
And Conan is very good at that, and I hope

1367
01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:41.719
he does that when he does host the Oscars. That's

1368
01:02:41.760 --> 01:02:43.239
gonna be a lot of fun. I hope he's parted

1369
01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:44.199
at SSNL fifty as well.

1370
01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:46.079
By the way, Yeah, when I say make a joke

1371
01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:48.320
about Tom Cruse too, I don't me say make a

1372
01:02:48.360 --> 01:02:50.519
mean joke about Tom Cruise. You'll make a joke about

1373
01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:52.719
his love of doing stunts, or how are you so

1374
01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:55.639
handsome at sixty one sixty two? Or you have great hair?

1375
01:02:55.719 --> 01:02:57.679
Or I love your smile. You make that kind of joke.

1376
01:02:57.760 --> 01:03:00.000
This is not a roast. This is not Ricky Gervai's

1377
01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:03.400
the Golden Globes. This is the Academy Awards. Go down

1378
01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:06.000
the middle. Here are some films we all liked. Let's

1379
01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:09.679
celebrate them, Let's do some light jokes. Let's get out

1380
01:03:09.679 --> 01:03:09.920
of here.

1381
01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:12.119
Yeah, and I love that we can do this, but

1382
01:03:12.199 --> 01:03:16.039
maybe we finish on Nicki. I'm excited Nicki is hosting

1383
01:03:16.119 --> 01:03:18.480
the Golden Globes. I hope that they let Nikki be

1384
01:03:18.599 --> 01:03:20.920
Nicky the way they used to let Ricky be Ricky.

1385
01:03:21.320 --> 01:03:24.239
That is what my hope is. Watching the commercials for

1386
01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:28.000
it and the promos for it, I'm just shaking my head, going, oh,

1387
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:30.199
I feel like they're putting Nicki in a cage. I

1388
01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:32.719
hope that they don't do that for the actual broadcast,

1389
01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:34.800
because the Golden Globes can be one of those shows

1390
01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:37.559
that steals the show when it comes to awards, award

1391
01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:38.320
banquets as well.

1392
01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:42.920
I think a very big key there is the room.

1393
01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:46.519
So she's been doing comedy on Thursday night football to

1394
01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:50.639
buy football announcers, and she sounds like she's bombing. Whether

1395
01:03:50.719 --> 01:03:52.480
or not the writing is good or she's delivering it,

1396
01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:55.280
she sounds like she's bombing. So back to my friend

1397
01:03:55.360 --> 01:03:57.280
Joe Cooi. I'm not his friend, but back to Joe Cooy.

1398
01:03:57.320 --> 01:04:00.280
In the recurring bit, Joe Koy told a joke that's

1399
01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:03.079
pretty good. The only difference between the NFL and the

1400
01:04:03.079 --> 01:04:06.159
Golden Globes is we have fewer pictures of Taylor Swift.

1401
01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:10.079
That's the joke. And then they cut to Taylor, who

1402
01:04:10.239 --> 01:04:12.760
either could have went and I'm making for those listening

1403
01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:14.599
on audio, I'm smiling and holding up a drake. She

1404
01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:18.119
could have done this. Instead, she gave a stoneface and

1405
01:04:18.199 --> 01:04:21.000
killed the room. Taylor Swift killed the room. Swifty's come

1406
01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:23.840
at me. Taylor Swift killed the room. So if NICKI

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01:04:23.880 --> 01:04:25.599
gets up there, and I've read some interviews with her,

1408
01:04:25.679 --> 01:04:28.920
she is aware that America doesn't know who she is,

1409
01:04:29.039 --> 01:04:32.280
so she's got to win America over quickly. She's aware

1410
01:04:32.360 --> 01:04:36.159
that she's not one of them Hollywinterers, yep, so she's

1411
01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:38.480
got to win them over. So if she tells a

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01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:40.960
joke and it lands and the room is loose and

1413
01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:44.440
she's getting laughs, I think she can crush. But if

1414
01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:47.679
she runs into an audience like the Thursday night football crowd,

1415
01:04:48.199 --> 01:04:50.320
it could be a challenge for the same reason it

1416
01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:54.920
was a challenge for Joe. Yeah, I think she's gonna crush. Oh.

1417
01:04:55.000 --> 01:04:57.199
I love hearing you say that. It gives me the goosebumps.

1418
01:04:57.199 --> 01:05:00.599
I hope she does. I hope it's an elevation for her.

1419
01:05:00.639 --> 01:05:03.000
I really do. Yes, I'm a Nicki Glazer fan. And

1420
01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:04.880
when you know her story again, go back if you

1421
01:05:04.920 --> 01:05:06.519
listen to any of the time she's been on some

1422
01:05:06.519 --> 01:05:07.960
of these shows, Rogan, I mean one of them. Her

1423
01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:10.519
story is unbelievable, and to see her where she is now,

1424
01:05:10.599 --> 01:05:12.360
it's a lot of fun. I'm a big fan of that.

1425
01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:14.079
I'm a big fan of you. I'm really grateful that

1426
01:05:14.119 --> 01:05:16.800
we've made this connection, and I hope that our paths

1427
01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:19.440
cross more and more. I know they're certainly going to

1428
01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:21.800
I hope that also that we're coming up to the

1429
01:05:21.800 --> 01:05:24.920
ten year anniversary of Dave calling it quits on Late Show.

1430
01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:27.039
That's happening within the next six months. The ten year

1431
01:05:27.079 --> 01:05:28.920
anniversary is going to be happening. We're doing some special

1432
01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:32.280
stuff on this show to commemorate that. And again, you're

1433
01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:34.599
a friend of the show. So thank you so so

1434
01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:37.159
much for coming on here again. John. I appreciate that

1435
01:05:37.199 --> 01:05:38.039
you're in my life. Brother.

1436
01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:40.440
Yeah, thanks for having me on again. Like I told you,

1437
01:05:40.480 --> 01:05:43.000
I'll be your Tony Randall. Anytime somebody cancels hit me up.

1438
01:05:43.519 --> 01:05:45.320
It's going to be a lot more than that, although

1439
01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:48.079
that is charming nonetheless, of course this has been great

1440
01:05:48.159 --> 01:05:51.440
Daily Comedy News and not okay, hold on Daily Comedy News,

1441
01:05:51.559 --> 01:05:54.840
but also you've got the Good News podcast as well,

1442
01:05:55.159 --> 01:05:58.000
and the meditation one is what I love what you're doing.

1443
01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:01.360
You got your little podcast network there, deep podcast network.

1444
01:06:01.480 --> 01:06:03.360
Let's talk about that and promote that a little bit too.

1445
01:06:03.559 --> 01:06:06.159
Sure, so Daily Comedy News, I think we've covered what

1446
01:06:06.199 --> 01:06:08.119
I might be doing on that one. I also host

1447
01:06:08.119 --> 01:06:12.679
one called five Good News Stories. Yes, it's inspired by

1448
01:06:12.679 --> 01:06:16.559
what Krasinski did during the pandemic and also inspired by

1449
01:06:16.679 --> 01:06:19.840
it was my wife's idea. So it's a short show.

1450
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:23.400
I do five new stories that are all good news

1451
01:06:23.519 --> 01:06:25.559
or smile stories, or as we used to call them

1452
01:06:25.559 --> 01:06:28.000
in radio, kicker stories. So I'm not going to tell

1453
01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:30.360
you about the horrible murder. I'm going to tell you

1454
01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:33.800
about the wacky Guinness record and the dog that came

1455
01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:37.039
home from four thousand miles away, and what the scientists

1456
01:06:37.079 --> 01:06:39.840
are up to. And the format behind the scenes is

1457
01:06:39.880 --> 01:06:42.280
the first and fifth story tend to be quirky, some

1458
01:06:42.440 --> 01:06:45.519
science in the middle. I limited to one. I really

1459
01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:47.920
could every episode could be and another dog found its

1460
01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:50.559
way home, and then this other dog. So I try

1461
01:06:50.599 --> 01:06:53.719
to do one animal story, maybe one science, two quirky ones,

1462
01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:57.320
and then whatever fits my mood. So number five, five

1463
01:06:57.360 --> 01:06:59.159
good news stories is the name of that show.

1464
01:07:00.440 --> 01:07:01.000
Off best.

1465
01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:04.159
Yeah, we have all five Minutes of Gratitude, which is

1466
01:07:04.199 --> 01:07:08.199
my Wednesday Friday and just a quick show. I don't

1467
01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:11.039
host that one, but my company produces it. Five minutes

1468
01:07:11.039 --> 01:07:13.360
of Gratitude and just get up and think about like,

1469
01:07:13.400 --> 01:07:16.800
all right, things are okay, here's something to be thoughtful about,

1470
01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:18.679
and then go about your day.

1471
01:07:18.800 --> 01:07:21.719
My men's mental wellness podcast that I host very quickly,

1472
01:07:21.760 --> 01:07:24.119
a couple of themes came up. We're one hundred and

1473
01:07:24.159 --> 01:07:26.159
I forget how many episodes, well over one hundred episodes

1474
01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:28.719
in that thing, and a few themes came up with

1475
01:07:28.840 --> 01:07:31.440
guys who are talking about their mental wellness and sometimes

1476
01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:33.679
struggles and victories and all that sort of stuff. And

1477
01:07:33.719 --> 01:07:35.880
one of the themes that very quickly came up is

1478
01:07:35.920 --> 01:07:39.000
that the antidote for many of these things that we

1479
01:07:39.079 --> 01:07:42.039
go through is anxiety and things like that is gratefulness.

1480
01:07:42.280 --> 01:07:44.760
And the thing I love about your podcast unlike this one,

1481
01:07:45.119 --> 01:07:49.159
really short, really sweet, You get the points immediately, and

1482
01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:51.960
it really does affect the way that you're viewing the day.

1483
01:07:52.119 --> 01:07:54.239
And I love that, whether it is talking about comedy,

1484
01:07:54.400 --> 01:07:56.280
whether it is hearing these good news stories, because there's

1485
01:07:56.280 --> 01:07:57.880
a lot of good that goes on the world. Much

1486
01:07:57.880 --> 01:08:00.840
of it, unfortunately, just doesn't get publicize the way that

1487
01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:03.599
it probably should, and gratefulness is a huge one. I

1488
01:08:03.639 --> 01:08:05.440
wanted to ask you what was the so you guys

1489
01:08:05.519 --> 01:08:07.519
produce it, what was the genesis? Where did it come from?

1490
01:08:07.519 --> 01:08:09.079
I've wanted to ask you that for the last month.

1491
01:08:09.559 --> 01:08:15.400
The Gratitude podcast. Yeah, yeah, real answer, Yeah, we're podcast business, yep.

1492
01:08:15.679 --> 01:08:18.479
Five Good News Stories was doing really well, and we

1493
01:08:18.640 --> 01:08:21.760
brainstormed and said, what else could we do that people

1494
01:08:21.840 --> 01:08:25.880
might like? And candidly, we could make some money doing Sure,

1495
01:08:26.479 --> 01:08:28.560
it's the podcast business.

1496
01:08:28.760 --> 01:08:29.000
Yep.

1497
01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:31.600
Like I tell my audience daily coming news. Look, I

1498
01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:32.680
like talking about comedy.

1499
01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:33.159
It's fun.

1500
01:08:33.239 --> 01:08:35.760
I also run commercials and it pays my mortgage. It's that.

1501
01:08:35.920 --> 01:08:38.119
That's why I do the show. Otherwise I would just

1502
01:08:38.159 --> 01:08:39.520
email you and be like, hey, did you watch that?

1503
01:08:39.840 --> 01:08:41.319
And get that out and get it out of my system.

1504
01:08:41.479 --> 01:08:43.439
But yeah, we were just five Good News Stories started

1505
01:08:43.479 --> 01:08:45.800
to do really well and we thought, okay, what's been

1506
01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:48.039
the same lane that we could do? And that's where

1507
01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:48.600
that came from.

1508
01:08:48.800 --> 01:08:50.760
Oh, there we go, and it's awesome. It's water in

1509
01:08:50.760 --> 01:08:52.399
the desert for a lot of people, and I just

1510
01:08:52.479 --> 01:08:55.319
I'm really excited and I'm grateful for your gratefulness podcast.

1511
01:08:55.479 --> 01:08:57.880
We love it. I've talked about the same trust promotion.

1512
01:08:58.199 --> 01:08:59.600
I would, oh would love to do that.

1513
01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:02.840
To do it well, email we won't bore the listeners.

1514
01:09:03.199 --> 01:09:06.000
Yeah, we'll do that. I just appreciate you very much,

1515
01:09:06.039 --> 01:09:08.239
thanks for coming on the Letterman podcast, and thank you

1516
01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:09.359
for doing everything that you do.

1517
01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:12.399
Thank you Mike Chisholm, host of The Letterman Podcast. Thank

1518
01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:13.840
you so much for having me on. That was a

1519
01:09:13.880 --> 01:09:15.960
lot of fun to record, but we didn't plan it

1520
01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:17.920
at all. And at the end he hit stopped and

1521
01:09:17.920 --> 01:09:19.199
I'm like, how long did we go? Like an hour

1522
01:09:19.239 --> 01:09:21.560
and a half? And yes, an hour and a half. Anyway,

1523
01:09:21.880 --> 01:09:25.000
happy to your normal episode tomorrow, See you then,