Deep dive on Metzger, Florentine, Gomez, Smith - gate, PLUS David Cross now #1 special, reviews of Dan Soder and Joe List new releases

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The Facebook group was super active over the

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weekend and I'm so thrilled it's what
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I want. The Facebook group,
which is Daily Comedy News Podcast Group,

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feel encouraged to join. The first
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your post just to make sure that
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problem with pornbots last summer, you
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this person looks like they're actually a
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go. But there were so many
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opinions I had and disagreeing, which
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We don't have to agree on everything. People brought up their own topics.

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I thought it was fantastic. That'll
drive a lot of today's conversation. Aaron

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in the Facebook group again Daily Comedy
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the Stranger dot com and Aaron gets
the jokes and said, you're home for

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comedy news. Love it, but
this is kind of awful. The headline

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right wing media targets Capitol Hill comedy
bar club owners canceled for shows now they're

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facing constant harassment. This is the
story from last week where Kurt Metzger,

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Dave Smith, Lewis Gomez, and
Jim Florentine were unbooked from a Seattle comedy

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club. My take continues to be, like I get, if you want

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to have a particular vibe at your
establishment, you should be allowed to have

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a particular vibe at your establishment.
Does it suck that they were booked and

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then unbooked? Yeah, of course, because why booked them in the first

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place, And then you might have
cost them some dates because they weren't available,

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or maybe they booked some travel.
So that's not cool. But the

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larger point of should I be allowed
to have who I want my club who

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I want? I think that's fine. From The Stranger, Jesse Waters was

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hosting on Fox News and had a
headline Seattle loves drugs hates comedy. The

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co owner, Jess says she's locked
down her social media. People have been

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harassing her online and have come after
her and her children, suggesting, I

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don't even want to say what people
are suggesting happen to her. I mean,

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just like I don't even know what
to say. Like I know,

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I'm babbling here. I have the
words in front of me, and I

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don't want to voice them. People
are saying really, really horrible things.

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Jess said, given the response,
I think maybe we made the right choice.

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I think this might not be the
people we want inside of our club.

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Dane, who co owns the club, said, I think if you're

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a comedian your fans rack with threats
of physical or sexual violence based on a

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canceled comedy show, maybe you have
some self reflection to do. I don't

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know, the owner said. Nobody
came after them about the book performances.

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No community group forced their hands.
The booking and subsequent cancelations where their decisions

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alone. Lisa Anderson said this all
began with Kurt Metzger's agent reaching out,

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according to this version, and the
agent wanted to book Metzger at the relatively

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new club. With the Google search, Anderson learned Kurt Metzger had won a

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Peabody Ward and an Emmy for his
work on Inside Amy Schumer. The agent

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then offered her three other comedians for
headlining shows at her venue between April and

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October. Those Smith, Gomez,
and Florentine. So these are four shows.

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This was not one big show.
Okay, that's new information to me.

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Or maybe I'm just terrible at reading. The agent says. Gomes has

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since dropped him as an agent.
Another press person said Jim Florentine could not

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respond to the questions. He did
talk to The New York Post. We'll

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get to that. As a booker, Anderson was overjoyed and said, oh,

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I just booked four headlining comedians.
I'm killing it. I thought I'd

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done an awesome thing. Then an
investor told her that Mesker, Smith,

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Gomez, and Florentine were right leaning
or transgressive comics who may not be a

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good fit for the club. After
discussing the matter with friends, other comics,

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and people in the neighborhood, they
decided to cancel the shows privately over

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email, the only shows they've canceled
in their short history. Again, I

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want to use unbooked because canceled is
a loaded word these days. Anderson said,

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it's like a stupid, dumb mistake
that's turned into a whole thing.

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Let's see of these four comedians.
I don't think I've ever spoken to Dave

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Smith. I've been around Jim Florentine. Kurt Metzker was working at a podcast

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a former gig of mine was associated
with, and I don't recall interacting with

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Kurt and Lewis Gomes and I have
had, you know, a few conversations.

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They were all probably eight nine years
ago. I was enjoyed talking to

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him. I think he's very talented. The Stranger sites a twenty twenty one

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New Republic article titled the comedy industry
has an alt right problem The Stranger Rights.

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Smith and Gomez were a pete guests
on the Gavin McInnis show, hosted

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by the far right Canadian podcaster who
founded the Proud Boys, Johnny Mack wants

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no part of any of that.
They discussed some of the guests on that

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show. You can read the Stranger
article. I don't want to amplify the

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guests or what their messaging was the
Stranger Rights. The article also mentioned that

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Smith and Gomez left mckinnes's Compound Media
for a network, Gomez co founded Gas

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Digital, where they carried on a
tradition of quote racism, sexism, homophobia,

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transphobia, and flirtation with the far
right. More recently, a significant

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portion of Metzger's latest special, Thirty
Minutes with Kurt Metzger, is dedicated to

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jokes about trans people in politics,
Anderson says, it doesn't mean censorship.

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You can say it, you just
can't say it here. Metzger in a

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radio interview with Jason Rantz from seven
to seventy Ktt Metzker is quoted as saying,

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anyone who cave to this nonsense,
they don't deserve anything but mockery,

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some hilarious mockery, and it's important
that we do it. If you saw

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on Glorious Bastards at the end,
Commando Brad Pitt karsaswastika into Christopher Waltz's forehead,

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marking him as a Nazi for life, that stupid woke nonsense is dying.

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It's dying now. And what's going
to happen is all the cancel pigs

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they're engaging with that are going to
blend back into society. Gomez on his

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podcast said he thought the club was
stupid for booking him and then unbooking him,

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and so was his agent for booking
him at a super woke, progressive

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venue that the entire lineup is blue
haired, effing freaks. He wasn't planning

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to address any of it until Metzger
posted on Twitter. Gomez quoted is saying,

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there's plenty of places that won't book
me because I'm an effing jerk face.

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Clean that up a little who says
crappy things on the internet. That's

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the right of any business. The
same way I don't have to put anyone

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on my podcast that I don't want
to, or anybody on the comedy festival

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skank Fest that I don't want to, if they don't represent the band or

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the fing core values you want to
call it. It's just they're right.

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They didn't make a big stink.
They didn't fing publicly say these guys are

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pieces of crap. That email is
pretty efing respectful overall. Sounds like Gomez

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and I are aligned on this whole
thing. If skank Fest doesn't want to

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have I don't know, Patton Oswalt
Great, don't have them. Florentine has

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since book shows that the Tacoma comedy
clubs replace the comedy board date. So

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I think that's a fair point that
maybe these guys tied updates and or book

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travel that they couldn't get their money
back on. So that's kind of a

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lousy thing about unbooking them. So
I get that co owner Daine says,

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these guys may come and sell at
the club for a weekend, but then

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we have to be here forever as
a private business. Everyone that performs on

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our stage is there at our pleasure. To characterize this as censorship is inflammatory

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and correct. There's a big difference
between saying a book should be banned and

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saying I prefer not to have that
book in my home. Again, I

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think that's all reasonable. The New
York Post took this angle, quoting for

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the Post, the Capitol Hill Comedy
Bar, which celebrates the vibrant voices of

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the queer community with a weekly queerst
to the Front open Mic, had booked

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Jim Florentine, Dave Smith, Lewis
Gomez, and Kurt Mesker for upcoming dates

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before the about face, which the
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our community. Florentine's all the post, I speak my mind on stage.

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I'm edgie. I don't kiss the
audiences, but I'll talk about the transgender

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stuff. Why are comedians so dug
in on transgender stuff? Like why?

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And I'm not saying, don't crack
a joke about really anything, but like,

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why are they so dug in on
this one? Florentine said, I

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didn't know you had to check with
the neighborhood. I called my friends that

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own comedy clubs around the country and
said, I'm coming in a couple months.

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You got to check the neighborhood and
see if they're okay with me performing

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there. Usually what happens is the
club will research you before they book you

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and decide we don't want that type
of comedy. A lot of places won't

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book you and you'll never know.
But in this case, they booked us.

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That's the way they're gonna run their
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going to stay in business that long. I'll say for a third time,

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if it goofed up their travel,
that to me is the sin here.

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The booking and the unbooking, not
the decision not to have a particular act

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at a particular venue, or as
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artist. On say A Comedy Festival, Florentines said some of his jokes probably

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wouldn't get big laughs at Capitol Hill
Comedy Bar. He was asked for an

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example, Florentine shared a joke about
his son's gender identity that has to do

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with the size of his stuff.
Jim says, that's why I got into

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comedy, to push boundaries. Like
sometimes you tow the line with something and

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think, oh, that went a
little too far. That's the goals of

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comic. Try to find where that
line is and just write it. I

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think they're going to book all of
us there on different weekends. They said,

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well, take you guys. Absolutely, we don't censor comics like they

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do. Come on over here.
Gomez on his podcast speculated that young,

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jealous local comics pressured the decision.
He said, that's what happens when comics

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don't have anything going on, they
just look for drama. So Anderson found

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drama within the comedy space there,
and she was like, all right,

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I think they're great, but I'm
not you know, I don't need to

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make it a thing. Maybe they
were concerned with protests. Head was like

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a super woke area Hollywood and Toto
listen to Noam Dworman's podcast. It's the

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Comedy Seller podcast. I haven't had
a chance to listen to that or pull

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the transcript yet. The podcast is
called Comedy Seller Live from the Table.

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Anderson on that podcast that she was
a fan of Metzger from his days on

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Chelsea Lately, only when the club's
investors told her about their problematic jokes,

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that she regret the decision. Towarman
pressed the owners again and again, says

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Hollywood and Toto to share what the
four comedians had said to warrant their cancelation.

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What joke, what routine? Is
so hurtful that progressive fans couldn't be

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exposed to it. Dorman discussed why
edge comedians are important to the culture.

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He brought up a seventies era advertisement
for Richard Pryor, noting how Pryor was

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built as harsh, vulgar, shocking
offensive. That's how things were marketed to

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liberal people, says Torman. Would
Capitol Hill Comedy Bar turn Richard Pryor away,

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boy, there's a loaded question,
maybe they would. Dorman said,

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you're obviously nice people, well intentioned
people. You're in an industry that's about

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free expression. You're in an industry
that has a history of having landmark incidents

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regarding free expression that affect the culture. So you chose that industry. You

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don't have to live up to that
calling. But it's not like you opened

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a deli and found yourself in this. You're becoming a cousin, and you're

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nice people, and you don't want
to be of the people smashing the windows.

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Apparently there is referencing a recent incident
at Berkeley where violent protesters raged against

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Jewish speakers. He continued, saying, they started smashing the place up.

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This is a close cousin of the
sentiment that you're buckling to. I can't

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sign off on it because it's wrong. It's leading the country down a terrible

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direction. And everybody fueled their certainty
that their position is the right one,

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so right that no one else should
ever be platformed. And I will smash

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up Berkeley, and I will ride
outside the comedy seller, and I will

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put this comedy club out of business
if they should have the nerve, not

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the endorse of view I do not
like, but simply allow that view to

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be heard. That was a lot. I got a lot to get to

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I'll tell you what the best special
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break. Wow, I really didn't
realize how long it was going to take

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to get through that first part there. This next section here normally would be

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in the A block here on the
podcast. The best special of the year

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is David Cross. I should probably
know what the name of this special is

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because I really liked it. Worst
Daddy in the World. I watched that

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on Friday night. I had a
crazy busy weekend. I was at soccer

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all weekend, so I couldn't freshen
up Monday Show the way I would have

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liked to. Also, I screwed
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A couple of people pointed out to
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was something like DCN Monday Offphonic,
so that I'll let you know my naming

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convention behind the scenes before I put
a proper title. But Cross, I

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almost declared that it was over and
this would be the best special of the

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year. That's how strong the first
three quarters is. Once he gets to

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the part where he brings the audience
up, I think that was in terms

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of editing. I think that was
a mistake because the special was rocking,

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and then that kind of tapped the
brakes. He's got a strong closer,

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but it kind of gets goofed up
there. Right now. This is number

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one, So the entire best of
twenty four list right now, David Cross

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number one, Dusty Slay number two, tailor Thomason number three. I think

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Cross and Sleigh will stay near that
top of the list all year. I

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think Thomason will fall down to the
high teens by the end of the year.

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We will see. But I was
glad I finally liked something because I

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felt like I was like Mikey with
the Life Cereal and Johnny mack hates all

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comedy. Consequence of Sound interviewed David
Cross and said one detail of note during

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the special, Cross stays hydrated on
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said that's not his normal choice when
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of the trade, as the cup's
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avoiding the possibility of continuity issues.
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says, if I had a bottle
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and fall depending on the take.
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editing at all. When you watch
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But he says, I'm already doing
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have the beer be distraction. You
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I just go on stage. I
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the last phase of that process is
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it's not just disparate bits. It's
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am I doing too much of this? Yere? Am I doing too little

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of that? Here? Even asking
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dwelling on this thing too much?
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that's the last part of the process
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taping was show forty of a seventy
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always tape the special in the middle
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because there's different material in there.
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end, it's the same title,
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thirty percent different than the material in
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we give him the Grammy? Then? He likes taping a special midway through

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a tour because the materials had time
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was relatively new, the Ron De
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like eight or nine times before the
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polished because now the materials a little
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so it's a more realized bit.
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let's see what's in the Facebook group, because there was so many good comments.

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Again, feel encouraged to join us
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just gonna go in chronological order here. Dylan posted, excited to see some

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shows next month. We have tickets
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Brad Williams, and Shane Gillis.
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enough on the show. And Shane. I think Shane is so much fun

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and like I said last week,
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Dylan also pointed out Soda and gill
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out on Monday. I just downloaded
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a pretty big thread as I watched
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takes. Dan Soder's new roadwork thing. Nothing wrong with it, but skippable

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so breaking that apart my takes.
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soda, and maybe it was just
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the Facebook post, it was fine, but I'm a comedy snob and an

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admitted comedy snob, so it wasn't
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tickled by these things, and soda
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I checked out Joe List Working the
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because I like that Joe List titled
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not claiming it's a special. Soder
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sure it was a special, especially
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more like an hour. Ian chimed
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truly do, because this is what
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Ian wrote, skip sodas if you
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the ground running and doesn't waste a
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subjective. We don't have to agree
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when people put things on my radar, and I might give Soda a second

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chance based on what Ian said,
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in said I watched most of the
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and laugh a couple of times.
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So yeah, maybe I'm totally wrong
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Donnelle Rowling special now, and while
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yet. Yeah, that one didn't
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honestly thought it was because I'm a
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to a hilarious finish that had me
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strong. It's just that audience chunk. I'm not sure it works one more

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firm. Dlan watch four specials this
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and Rawlings. I like Soda.
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the first half hour of his was
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strong. I saw a cross and
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two or so. He was so
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his stuff is now, it's not
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but it started slow. I love
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B minus at not bad but not
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is doing an accent. Sometimes he's
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in the next scene and then it
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creature. I was also eye rolling
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daughter has a role because she was
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course, and I was like,
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accent and in a but I enjoyed
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it's terrible. I've told a few
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I'm falling asleep. I found it strangely

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nice company. Bulk of the film
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and I don't know. I enjoyed
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as a dramatic actor, since those
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attracted to, whereas I'm not a
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it. I would be curious to
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is what the Facebook group is for
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to join, as boy, I
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Mark Maren's interview from twenty eleven with
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Well, I'm always honest here?
Can I be honest here? I

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came away not liking Richard Lewis,
the person that was speaking to Mark Maren,

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would like you in real life.
It's a very honest interview and Maren got

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good stuff out of him, but
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I know you don't speak ill of
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to it. So if you want
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a note and let me know.
I had quote it last week for a

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review from the Was It nineteen ninety
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He pointed out the editorial style of
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not surprising that they didn't like the
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sitcom, so that may have been
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insight there as well. David says, appreciate your content and we'll look forward

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to being an ongoing listener. David, thank you for listening every day.

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Really great to hear from everyone.
I'm going to drop a bunch of stories

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that can wait to tomorrow. What
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was a great sketch. I don't
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is Sidney Sweeney has a crush on
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fantastic. In a story from Fox
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End with Fox. Fox News host
Rachel Campos Duffy is the mother of a

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child with Down syndrome, and she
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had written, although she and Gillis
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is a slur and wrong to use, the punchline of the joke didn't exactly

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justify his usage of it. Campos
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actually really good because part of the
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credit for is not being hemmed in
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that have now been stricken off.
You can't say these words, and not

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only will they say the word will
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said, he uses the R word
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at the end of the sketch,
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a family member with Down syndrome,
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He's obviously referring to the eugenics that's
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the funny thing is that they turn
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family, which is totally true.
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the happiest person in our family.
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ultimately it was a very pro life
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we're doing to people with Down syndrome
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Today's Daily Comedy News again Facebook group, Daily Common News podcast group chime in

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Love to hear from you guys.
All Right, I really like today's episode.

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I hope you like. I know
it wasn't as newsy as usual,

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but hopefully it was a good discussion
around the comedy industry. See you tomorrow.