Nov. 2, 2024

Des Bishop - new special Of All People - and we talk a lot about Queens

Des Bishop - new special Of All People - and we talk a lot about Queens

You might know Des Bishop as a famous Irish comedian, Hannah Berner's husband and co-host of the Berner Phone podcast, or as the guy who learned Mandarin and Gaelic so he could do an hour of comedy in both of those languages.   Hiw new special is...

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You might know Des Bishop as a famous Irish comedian, Hannah Berner's husband and co-host of the Berner Phone podcast, or as the guy who learned Mandarin and Gaelic so he could do an hour of comedy in both of those languages. Hiw new special is called Of All People (Youtube).


Des shares his comedic journey from growing up in Queens, New York, to flunking out of St. Francis Prep, and eventually finding success in Irish comedy. The conversation also explores Des's unique experiences performing in Mandarin in China, discussing the challenges and cultural nuances of integrating Chinese material into his acts.

00:27 Des Bishop's Background and Career
01:16 Tony Hinchcliffe Discussion
05:12 Political Commentary and Trump's Influence
07:42 Growing Up in Queens
12:40 Transition to Ireland and Education
17:09 Irish American Experience and IRA
20:28 Young Irish Support for Sinn Fein
20:53 Tribalism and Identity in Ireland
21:13 Blowin Entertainment: A Cultural Insight
21:38 Misconceptions and Humor in Irish Culture
24:11 The Evolution of Comedy Styles
26:26 Navigating the Comedy Scene in America
29:45 Stand-Up Comedy in China
37:11 Challenges and Censorship in Chinese Comedy
41:16 Career Reflections and Future Aspirations
43:54 The Future of Podcasting and Radio

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Caalaroga Shark Media.

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Hello, I'm so excited to share this one with you.

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I'm Johnny Mack and my guest today is Des Bishop.

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He's got a new special, it's called Of All People.

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We recorded this on Monday, and I wanted to share it,

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like immediately. I enjoy this conversation so much, but all

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the Hingecliff stuff was going on, so I kept it

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here in its normal scheduled Saturday slot. Some stuff about

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DES's bio, grew up in Queen's, flunked out of Saint

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Francis Prep, wound up living in Ireland, where he's a

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very successful stand up comedian. He also speaks Mandarin and

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spent some time in China doing stand up. We'll cover

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all that, we talk about Tony Hinchcliff, he'll explain why

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the dogs are barking and the fireworks. And I just

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had so much fun talking to Des Bishop. So I'm

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actually glad we were scheduled, were supposed to record this

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on Friday, and then you had an issue on your end.

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And my first question too, was going to be don't

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you have a show in two hours? The hell are

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you talking?

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Yeah? Yeah?

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Like literally, I was like driving down, and I was like,

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what was I thinking that I scheduled for this time?

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But you know what it is, It's like when you're

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in American mode and you're scheduling, you're not really thinking

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about like Irish time.

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Yeah, no, no problem at all. So that's that's up

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my second question, which is what is your pre show routine?

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I remember so my career is I'm really a radio

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executive and Jim Brewer used to do afternoon drive on

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the rod Up channel at Series XM when I was

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the boss, and I remember the first time I went

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out on the road with him. He grabbed me, and

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I'm glad he did and he said, look, man, before

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I do a set, I totally shut down. I don't

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want you to think I'm in a bad mood. I'm

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not pissed off at you, just like this is just

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how I roll. So like two hours before a show,

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don't talk to me, of course not, but like what

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do you do?

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Well?

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You know, if I'm driving and I'm basically just like

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getting there and then when I'm there, make sure everything's

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set up, and then I just kind of like distract myself.

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Similar to Jim Brewer, except that I maintained my sanity

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into twenty twenty four, like Jim Brewer. But similar to

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Jim Brewer, I tell.

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Like relationships and people that I'm.

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Involved with that I can't be around people, like if

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you're expecting me to be a normal person, then you

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can't be around me because I'm gonna be uptight, I'm

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gonna be a little anxious. I'm not gonna be the

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best version of myself leading up to a show.

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Now it makes makes total sense since you open this door.

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Has Tony Hinchcliffe made the news in Ireland yet.

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Well, it's hard for me to know if he's made

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the news in Ireland because I've very much been on

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top of that story. So I mean, I have a

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lot of thoughts on all that stuff. Can I just

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make a quick disclaimer the reason why I know that

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you're not really a video guy, but I'm outside because

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fun fact about Ireland, Ireland does its fireworks for Halloween,

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not for the fourth of July, and it's leading up

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to Halloween, so there's a lot of fireworks. So the

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dog goes insane. So I've had to go outside and

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leave the dog inside so you may hear faint barking

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but it could be a lot worse. And trust me,

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when I'm not recording, it's so much worse with me

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and the.

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Dog in the house.

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But anyway, on the Tony Hinchcliff front, I mean, where

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do we start?

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So I try not to hang myself on this show.

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You know, people don't come to this thing for politics.

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They come for me to speak with comedians. So my

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take on it. And I'm not a comedian, never been

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a performer, but studied this enough to if I break

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it down just as a joke in no context, for example,

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during the Subway series, if I go to Los Angeles

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and I go, hey, there's a floating pile of garbage

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on an island, it's called Manhattan. If I do that

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during the World Series in LA that joke might fly.

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But in the context, in the room it was done,

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it takes on whole other connotations and it's really not

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a good joke.

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It's a one out of ten, two out of ten joke, Max.

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It's dated on top of it, and I'm not like

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one to come after Tony Hinchcliff.

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But in the context of the importance.

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Of the week and a half that we're in leading

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up to an election, Like why you would choose like

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a dated target like Puerto Ricans, Like because obviously you can,

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like you just did, you can insert whatever island you

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want onto that joke.

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It's it's pretty basic.

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At the roast of Tom Brady, if they're roasting like

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a Puerto Rican comic that was on the Dace, then

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you might go, Okay, you know, there's a lot of

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that type of joke at roasts. But like when the

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world's cameras are on you and you're a comedian and

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it's fine, you've been hired to make some jokes leading

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up to it, Like why you would choose that as

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your joke? I mean you want to make that point like, oh,

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you can joke about anything, but it's actually kind of

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like it's juvenile, it's immature, and it's.

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Actually it's really stupid. Like I actually think Trump is

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kind of stupid, So I think that like he would

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never think broad.

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Enough to go maybe I shouldn't have a risky comedian

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on like this close to an election when certain states

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votes might literally hinge on twenty thousand people like it

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did in Georgia twenty two thousand people. He may have

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shifted enough votes to change a state that's insane.

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Well, I have so many topics, and when I gets

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to you and I are both New Yorkers, are both

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from Queens, so you know from the eighties and nineties.

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Trump is not like mister New York City. He's not

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going to win New York. I just thought the whole

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thing it was a weird choice, like, go campaign in Pennsylvania.

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What are you doing in New York City. This isn't

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gonna work.

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Well, you know, nothing he does makes sense. And again

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we're not going to get too political. But I think

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for him, he feels he wins regardless.

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You know, That's what I think.

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Like I think Trump thinks I'm gonna win. If I lose,

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I still can say that it was robbed and my

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profile is humongous, and I can continue with my current grift,

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which is the voice of the people that feel like

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they've been marginalized in Mardern America. So I don't know

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if he even cares like I just feel like it's a.

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Win win for him.

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The problem is that the whole political system just deteriorates

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all around his selfish you know notions and then I'm

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not a Republican, but the Republican Party continues to suffer.

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Like the whole thing is, it's.

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Absolutely crazy how much space and bandwidth has been given

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over to this ego. And then people will the Trump

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people will obviously not agree with me, but I think

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if you stand back, it's just so clear that it's

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just about one man.

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It shouldn't have been allowed to happen.

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So over the politics in her back pocket before I

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go quoting, a comedian said, did you see Tony's joke

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about rock paper scissors?

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I did, and again I like, fine, you know, I guess,

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but like read the room you need Michigan And actually

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I talked to.

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A Lebanese girl recently and they were like.

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She's from Michigan, She's from Grand Rapids, and they're not

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happy with Kamala the Arabs in Michigan and some of

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them just out of virtue of their own anger towards

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common that we're thinking maybe Trump can sort it out,

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and then he goes and basically like makes it very

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clear that they definitely do not care about the Palestinians.

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So again, dumb joke. You know America. If, by the way,

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if that was an Ireland, he'd be lynched like the Irish.

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Oh you got to pay. The Irish are very The

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Irish perceive the Israeli.

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Palestine conflict in terms of what the British did to

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Ireland has been done to the Palestinians.

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And I'm not taking a position.

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But I'm just telling you that that joke would not

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have flown over here at all.

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All right, let's switch over to Queens. One of the

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things I try and do is not ask the same

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questions you've been asked ten thousand times. However, your particular

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story has some interesting curves along the way. Again, Irish

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kid from Queens, I'm probably seven eight years older than you,

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so when we're twelve that matters, but at this age

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it doesn't. What part of Queens are you from? I

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know in I'm from Jackson Heights, eighty seventh of Roosevelt,

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So I know in an interview they'll say Flushing. But

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are you from Main Street? Are you down by Booth

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Memorial orre you further out? Which grow up further out?

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I'm nearly Bayside. I'm really right on the border of

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fresh Meadows and Flushing where and.

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Just just west of Bayside, so actually near enough to

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where Trump grew up.

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I just grew.

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I grew right off Utopia Parkway. He was a few

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miles down the road in Jamaica States, off Utopia Parkway.

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My mother, though, as a youngster, hung out a lot

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in Jackson Heights because it was quite irish back in

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those days. But I'm very much like Eastern Queen's. I

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don't like to admit this.

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But it has more like Long Island vibes than oh,

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sure city vibes.

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You know, oh yeah sure. Once you get out past

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the seven train, you know, maybe another mile or two

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now with all the development, Oh my god. I was

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on the Van Wick last week and I couldn't believe

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that development and flushing. But once you get out there, yeah,

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it's you know, Queen's just kind of softly switches into Nassau.

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They've renamed it since, but there was like that ten

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block stretch where one side of the street was Jamaica Avenue.

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On the other side was like, no, no, no, we're

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Jericho Turnpike. Like, we're not Jamaica Avenue. What are you

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talking about?

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Well, you know, you pay less property tax when you're

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on the Queens side. But officially, my neighborhood, by the

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way was called Auburndale. So if you're ever on the

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Long Island Railroad where Auburndale station.

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Again, I'm back to Trump. You just reminded me when

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he during COVID he started talking about walking past Elmhurst Hospital,

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which is eighty second and Broadway, a couple of blocks

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south of the seventh. I'm like, in what world were

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you walking on Broadway in Jackson Heights? Illmers never once? Dude?

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Yeah, and if he had, he walked by Elmhurst Hospital.

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Who you know, it was a shit show back then.

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But honestly, I was there recently because I went to

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the met game actually, and I ended up parking on

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Junction Boulevard and we walked from when we were done,

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myself my wife walked from City Field back to Junction Boulevard.

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And I mean, like, you could travel the world on

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Roosevelt Avenue. I don't care what anybody says. I actually

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the taxi driver that took me to JFK for this

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trip that I'm on right now, he was a Dominican guy,

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and he was telling me that he didn't think Roosevelt

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Avenue was safe. But I told him, I said, listen, man,

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I walked back late at night, right past Corona Plaza,

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and I thought the whole thing was exciting, you know,

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and you really feel like you're in all these different

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parts of the world as you make your way further

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west towards the city.

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My dad would be so proud of you. So he

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was a bartender where mcdermidt's. He worked at Blarney Stone,

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So you know the kind of guy I'm talking about.

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And he taught me growing up, you don't pay the

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park you park over in Corona, And to this day,

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I'll still park on like one twelfth in Northern and

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walk And remember when my son was little, he'd be like,

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what the hell are we doing. I'm like, I'm not

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paying thirty bucks to park. This just isn't that what

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you do?

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Well?

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Your dad wouldn't be proud of me, because the reason

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I had to do it was because I got there

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too late and it was all and they were trying

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to get me to park in College Point.

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At the Skyview.

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The game had already started, so I said, screwed that,

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I whipped onto the Grand Central. I was to be honest,

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I was actually gonna park in LaGuardia and get an uber,

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but then I was like, nah, nah, I just I'll

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park on Junction Boulevard around there and I'll jump on

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the seven.

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So that's what I did. But then we walked back.

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That's good.

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Where's Hannah from? Was she like? What's up with Rosevelt?

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She's from Brooklyn's nothing to her.

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Yeah, none of this is too intimidating, you know, but

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she was in Park Slope but her grandfather bought that house,

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so like, they're not like fancy Park Slope people. In fact,

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her actually her dad grew up with Colin Quinn and

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his family, so uh, age wise, I fit somewhere between

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Colin Quinn and Hannah.

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But but Colin Quinn.

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Got quite the kick out of the fact that I

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ended up marrying Dan Berner's daughter because they all grew

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up together in Park Slope.

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Love this guy more as Bishop in a minute, not

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to step on your material about your name. When I

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saw I was like, yeah, that's an Irish guy. Like

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I never I don't want to do the joke, but

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like I was like, yeah, no, guy's name Desmond.

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Yes, but I didn't know any Desmonds growing up. That's

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not an exaggeration on the joke. The only Desmond I knew,

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which you might have also known, was Desmond's Pub on

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Park Avenue in like thirty something. I used to always

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see that and be like, yo, it's my name because

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it was such a rare And obviously Bishop Desmond tutu,

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which is I talk about the joke, But yeah, not Honestly,

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I did not know many Desmonds growing up. But I

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also was not aware until adulthood that black people in

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America consider it a consider it a black name.

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I didn't know either. All right, So you're growing up,

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You're in Queen's You're going to Saint Francis Prep. That

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makes sense now that you've told me where you're growing up.

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And depending on which article I read, you either got

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kicked out, asked to leave, chose to leave, got sent

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to Ireland, chose to go to Ireland. Which version of

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that is accurate?

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I mean, essentially the majority of those things are true.

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They can all true together. Like I absolutely flunked out.

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You know, if you fail more than two subjects, you're

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not allowed.

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To come back.

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So I got kicked out. I mean we certainly that's

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what we said, Like I got kicked out of prep.

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But obviously when somebody says they got kicked out of school.

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It sounds more dramatic than it is, but like I

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just had a severe lack.

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Of interest in school.

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I mean, there was other things that were going on

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that I think in the modern day education system perhaps

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I would have gotten like more support. But that aside,

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I did flunk out. My mother was freaking out about

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what I was going to do. She was really thinking

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that I was on a bad path. I was drinking

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a lot, but that had nothing to do with why

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I got kicked out of school. And then a cousin

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put the idea in my head and I suggested it

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to my parents, so I wasn't sent away. I did

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actually want to go, but at the same time, my

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parents did allow me to go, and did organize it,

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and did do it in a out of a fear

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that I screwing up my life.

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It's an aggressive choice so to catch up the audience.

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So you go to school in Queens. If you don't

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go to public school. If you've got good grades, you're

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probably going to Maloy. If you've got bad grades, you're

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probably going Tom Clancy. Saint Francis was like a middle

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school there.

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Well, actually the St.

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Francis Prep people would would not take kindly to you

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suggesting that Prep was below Maloy because they they definitely

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had equal status in like the eyes of the co

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op system and everything.

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I apologize to Saint France.

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But that's okay.

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The difference really was the smart people that were really

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into women went to San Francisco.

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Yes, Maloy was an al boys school back in.

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The time at the time, but why not christ Stefanie

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went to Maloy, by the way, why not dropped out

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of a clancy? Well, actually I would have went to

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Holy Cross. That would have been where I ended up. Uh,

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but I don't know. I never got to the stage

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where I had to pick another New York school because

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I really thought the idea of going to Ireland was

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like really cool. Actually, and my mother, see, we had

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a cousin that was going through some addiction stuff, and

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my mother really was freaking out that I was going

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to get in big trouble. So when this Irish thing

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came up and she looked into it and it was

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kind of cheap by relative standards of going to boarding

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school in the United States, she just had this thing

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in her head that I'd be safer there.

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I think that's really what she thought.

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Honestly, for me, it was a real win because not

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only did I get a better education because I was

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away from my distractions. I was in an all boys

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boarding school. You get supervised study, but I also got

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the education of suddenly living in a new culture, having

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to adapt. You know, there's just so much about what

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happened that was good for me specifically. I don't think

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it's for everybody, but me specifically easily distracted, wanting attention,

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you know, like suddenly being the kid from New York

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in a small Irish boarding school is actually kind of

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like exciting for me.

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So I kind of got everything I needed out of

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my Irish experience.

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I find it interesting you've held your I would never

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sniff you out, except when you say Ireland as both

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three syllables the way I would pronounce it.

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Yeah, and there's there's other there's other words if we

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were talking for a while. Also, if an Irish person

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suddenly sat next to me, like my accent would shift subconsciously,

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like I wouldn't make a decision, it would just happen,

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and then my accent actually has gotten New York afied

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again from being back in the States a lot more

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there was a time where my New York friends used

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to make fun of me for having a bit of

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an Irish accent. But I never had more than a

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bit of an Irish accent. But I definitely had more

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than I have now.

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Well, you went over there, what early nineties, mid nineties,

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ninety nineteen ninety ninety, all right, So that's what a

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lot of people were coming over from there to here

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to New York because of the economy, and the Irish

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were opening bars. I used to hang out at a

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bar called the Brefnee on Fortieth and Queen's.

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No it well, okay, oh it well.

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So the name of their softball team, and I didn't

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get it at first, and once when I found out

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what it was, I was like, oh, that's interesting. They

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called themselves the Provos. They had provosse.

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That's so funny because that's such a quintessential Irish American experience,

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like you could so I have tons of jokes about

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coming to Ireland. The first joke I used to have

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was that there was a sign at the airport that

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said wrong way, because I was the only American coming

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back to Ireland. Everybody was going the other way. In

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reference to the first thing you said. But I also

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had a joke about how I mean it was a

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baptism of fire because as you know from the team

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being called the Provos. For those that don't know, the

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Provos was slang for the Provisional IRA, which in Irish America,

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you know, you were raised to love the Iray. I mean,

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I was up thet all of my childhood and when

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I came to Ireland, to my great surprise, people in

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the Republic of Ireland were not They did not support

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the IRA.

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In fact, they were kind of horrified by the whole thing.

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And I didn't get any fights, but I had a

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lot of arguments with people.

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I was kind of shocked.

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Obviously I got educated and develop my own nuanced take

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on it. But the fact that you could call a

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softball team the Provos that would not have been happening

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in Dublin in nineteen ninety four, for example.

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It's crazy to you know, it's almost like a hack

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station wagon kids in the backbit. But that the IRA

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would come to New York and just openly do fundraisers

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thirty years ago, like what.

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Nor aid, Well, my parents were right in the thick

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of that. I mean, we were as provo as they come.

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As far as Irish American families go, we had carvings

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of Celtic crosses that were made in Long Catch prison

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by IRA prisoners. We marched for County Down. See, my

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mother's father was from the North. My mother worked for

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Odran Bernstein, a law firm that represented fought against extradition

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of IRA members that were being held in American prisons.

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I mean we were in the heart of pro IRA

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Irish America. I mean when we marched down Fifth Avenue,

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the signs were like get the Brits out, you know,

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BRIT's out. And like when we sold our house in

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twenty fifteen, when I cleaned out the attic, there was like,

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you know, marching band instruments that we had been storing

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in our attic with BRIT's out and twenty six plus

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six equals one stingers on them, and you know, like

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just like I was kind of shocked, Like as an

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adult man who spent actually most of his life in

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Ireland in the end, I was shocked at the just

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overtly Republican propaganda that I.

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Was raised around, you know, yeah, you know, and as

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an Irish American we were into U two when they

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were a little more political. Then a little later on

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I'd go see Black forty seven and Patty Riley's and

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sure Larry'd me up there sing in the sun.

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Yeah, Larry Carr.

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And the funny thing is that Black forty seven is

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a great band actually, but very much Irish American band

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Irish and he was from Wexford actually, which is where

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I ended up going to boarding school for three years.

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You know, I always say to Irish people because I

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do jokes.

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Actually, I did a show about my mom, you know,

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but after my mom died, I did like a like

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a one man show about my mother. But I had

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a whole section about the Irish American Republican experience, and

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I made make fun of myself for what happened when

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I came to Ireland. But I would definitely say that

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it's somewhere in the middle between the way I was

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raised as sort of a naive kind of provo upbringing

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and the overly critical Irish people in the eighties and

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nineties that were perhaps overly critical of the ira perhaps

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didn't have an understanding of the complexities of the North.

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I would say it's probably somewhere in the middle of

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those two positions is the better position. And you know

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what's hilarious is that, well it's not hilarious. But the

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young Irish people now they're inclined to support shin Faine,

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which was the political party of the IRA and they

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don't have the baggage from the troubles, so young Irish

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people sort of look to them as a sort of

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an anti establishment party that can fight against the housing

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crisis and all these issues that we have in the

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States too, but a different government gets blamed.

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You're making me smile and thinking about my mom. And

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it wasn't racism. It was some sort of tribalism that

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you know. So and so, Oh they're not Irish, we

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don't like them. Okay, now they're Irish, but they're from

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the wrong county. Or oh the bishops, those green horns.

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We don't like that. You know, everything was wrong. You

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had to be like a first cousin or forget it.

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Yeah, well, I actually I have a company in arting,

468
00:21:16.599 --> 00:21:19.359
know id like a like a limited company, and I

469
00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:21.039
called it blowing entertainment.

470
00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:23.559
Most people don't know the term blowing, but in.

471
00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:25.839
Ireland it's a big term for somebody who lives in

472
00:21:25.880 --> 00:21:29.759
a place, but isn't from there, And obviously I'm a

473
00:21:29.799 --> 00:21:32.119
blow into Ireland. But like Irish people can be blowing's

474
00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:34.240
if you move from one village to another, you know.

475
00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:38.039
So I called my company Blowing Entertainment and there's a

476
00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:40.799
lot of that. Well, here's a funny story about you're

477
00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:44.279
talking about, like, not racism or tribalism. This is how

478
00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:49.119
ignorant in a way. My mother raised us because I remember,

479
00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:51.400
do you remember the movie The Great Outdoors or The

480
00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:54.960
Mosquito Coast. Yeah, so there was two redheaded twins in

481
00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:58.920
those two movies, and we were working on a modeling

482
00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:01.119
job for that we modeled as kids for Ford Miling

483
00:22:01.160 --> 00:22:03.599
Agency and the mother was Irish. As far as I

484
00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:07.000
was concerned, I heard her accent. She was Irish and

485
00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:13.440
my mother after the conversation, the woman left and I said, oh,

486
00:22:13.160 --> 00:22:15.759
she was a nice woman, and my mother said, yeah,

487
00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:19.359
but she's a Northern Irish Protestant. She put it right

488
00:22:19.400 --> 00:22:22.680
into my head that this person can't be a good

489
00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:25.119
person because he's a Protestant from the North. And I

490
00:22:25.559 --> 00:22:28.079
joke about that now to people because it's it's that's

491
00:22:28.079 --> 00:22:30.920
insane that she thought that was okay.

492
00:22:31.720 --> 00:22:35.519
The other term that it's a bit of a hack bit.

493
00:22:35.640 --> 00:22:37.680
But you'll know where I'm going here. But when I

494
00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:40.000
was hanging out in those Irish bars and the Irish

495
00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:41.880
would ask me if in New York City in the

496
00:22:41.920 --> 00:22:45.400
early nineties, if I wanted to go find some crack. Yes,

497
00:22:46.079 --> 00:22:49.480
that was a word loosely translated as let's go find

498
00:22:49.519 --> 00:22:51.200
good fun, not rock cocaine.

499
00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:54.039
Yes, c R A I C.

500
00:22:54.440 --> 00:22:58.240
But she's not actually Irish, but it has really that

501
00:22:59.079 --> 00:23:01.240
like it's not from the Irish language. That's like a

502
00:23:01.960 --> 00:23:06.400
like a like a fake etymology. It's it's just a

503
00:23:06.440 --> 00:23:09.839
word that's evolved out of there's like three or four

504
00:23:10.519 --> 00:23:15.039
competing claims on the etymology of crack. However, these days

505
00:23:15.559 --> 00:23:18.279
it's certainly not a guelga, it's not an Irish language word,

506
00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:21.720
but it is one hundred percent the Irish word for fun.

507
00:23:21.799 --> 00:23:25.119
But because my wife is obsessed with crack now, because

508
00:23:25.119 --> 00:23:26.400
when we first met.

509
00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:29.079
That's my first by the way, Hannah Berner is obsessed

510
00:23:29.079 --> 00:23:29.519
with crack.

511
00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:32.920
But when we first met, I actually said to her,

512
00:23:32.920 --> 00:23:35.000
I said, one of the things that I immediately connected

513
00:23:35.039 --> 00:23:37.519
with is you don't know what the crack is, but

514
00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:42.039
like you have the crack, like you are like quintessential crack,

515
00:23:42.119 --> 00:23:44.599
but you don't get it. She still can't explain it

516
00:23:44.599 --> 00:23:46.599
to people. And it's very hard to explain what the

517
00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:49.279
crack is because the crack is not just almost like

518
00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:52.599
a like a way of being that can be hard

519
00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:55.799
to explain to people that aren't Irish. She actually got

520
00:23:55.839 --> 00:23:58.039
in trouble the other day because she posted a clip

521
00:23:58.240 --> 00:24:00.799
and kind of tried to suggest that Irish and English

522
00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:04.160
people are into this thing called crack, and the Irish

523
00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:09.039
were like, it has nothing to do with the English.

524
00:24:09.079 --> 00:24:10.720
So it's the twenty first century. We have to put

525
00:24:10.759 --> 00:24:13.640
labels on everything. Every article about you in the States

526
00:24:13.839 --> 00:24:16.279
calls you Irish comedian to the.

527
00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:17.400
Irish Irish American?

528
00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:22.559
Are you American comedian as bishop like, because your style

529
00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:24.440
is you know, if I had a graph, you know

530
00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:26.440
you're closer to the Bill Burr and than the Tommy

531
00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:27.039
Tiernan end.

532
00:24:28.039 --> 00:24:28.279
Yeah.

533
00:24:28.319 --> 00:24:30.880
But you know, if you watch my early, really early stuff,

534
00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:33.880
I was coincident funny that I'm not inspired by Bill

535
00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:36.759
Burr at all, which is hilarious that I get a

536
00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:38.039
lot of comparisons to him now.

537
00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:41.160
However, I was very inspired by.

538
00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:43.720
Tommy Tuner in the early part of my career, and

539
00:24:43.839 --> 00:24:47.039
when I watch my bits from two thousand and one

540
00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:51.400
to three, I can see Tommy's influence.

541
00:24:50.920 --> 00:24:51.839
On my style.

542
00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:56.119
And these days, unfortunately, I just get the Bill Burr comparisons,

543
00:24:56.119 --> 00:24:59.799
I think because we're both like middle aged northeastern guys

544
00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:02.519
with like a kind of a and I've gone back

545
00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:05.359
to my de facto energy, which is kind of a

546
00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:08.160
queen's guy energy, working class queen's guy.

547
00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:10.440
That's not an artistic choice, that's just who I am.

548
00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:10.880
You know.

549
00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:15.400
In Ireland, it wasn't as obvious because I had a lot,

550
00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:19.000
not old, but a lot of material talking about Ireland

551
00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:22.359
and talking about the differences between America and Ireland, and

552
00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:26.440
also quite a keen awareness for a foreigner as far

553
00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:29.640
as Irish concerned, quite a keen awareness of like regional

554
00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:33.519
sensibilities and differences between Irish areas, and I could do

555
00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:37.000
the accents. So it's not that the queen sense, the

556
00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:39.640
queen's energy is not as obvious in a lot of

557
00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:42.680
those bits, because it's obviously like not coming from that.

558
00:25:43.000 --> 00:25:45.680
But these days, when I'm expressing my frustration with the

559
00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:49.240
modern world, frustration with the differences between generations, or my

560
00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:54.400
frustration with America in general. Og kind of Queen's energy

561
00:25:55.119 --> 00:25:57.759
comes out and if you watch, like I put my

562
00:25:57.759 --> 00:25:59.839
mother in a couple of things over the years, like documentaries,

563
00:25:59.880 --> 00:26:02.519
and like, if you watch her ramage, you go, oh,

564
00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:05.079
it's not Bill Burt that this guy's inspired by. It's

565
00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:07.519
Island Bishop. You know, she's pissed off about everything.

566
00:26:08.200 --> 00:26:08.400
Yeah.

567
00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:11.519
I think my comparison there was about energy and the

568
00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:14.279
current specials a little more rad of tat tat than

569
00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:17.359
the themes the theme pieces, which is what I wanted

570
00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:21.839
to ask you about that evolution. There is it a choice?

571
00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:24.200
Is it just what you're feeling now that it's it's

572
00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:26.119
less of a theme power.

573
00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:29.519
I think it's more necessity is the mother of invention,

574
00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:34.319
Like working in the States, working the clubs, doing fifteen

575
00:26:34.359 --> 00:26:35.680
minute spots at the cellar.

576
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:39.759
I I just those long bits.

577
00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:43.039
You know, it's just like my fifteen minute spot isn't

578
00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:48.359
going to be about one thing, you know, just going

579
00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:53.039
around America, Like I'm just not going to get with

580
00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:57.720
bar staff floating around people not knowing who you are,

581
00:26:58.119 --> 00:27:00.240
Like you just don't. I don't think you get the

582
00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:04.319
license to indulge in a theme in the same way.

583
00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:06.759
And I don't even like the fact that there's like

584
00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:08.440
a separation. Like people will be like, oh, it's like

585
00:27:08.440 --> 00:27:11.640
a Verbiglia type show. Obviously, I'm sure you know this

586
00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:15.000
side of the water. Verbiglia type comedy is just comedy.

587
00:27:15.079 --> 00:27:17.279
But so I don't even like the fact that there's

588
00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:21.880
there's two types. But for me, it's been, I think,

589
00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:25.480
like an upgrade to my skill level to have not

590
00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:27.920
been able to lean on that. Like, I think, obviously

591
00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:30.960
there's tricks in every type of comedy, but I think

592
00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:33.119
that perhaps there were have been too many times, not always,

593
00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:35.720
but too many times in my comedy career where I

594
00:27:35.799 --> 00:27:40.720
had the crutch of a theme, which gives you maybe

595
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:43.000
too much freedom to not be as punchy as you

596
00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:48.559
would need to be in Philadelphia on a Saturday night

597
00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:50.039
at ten thirty, you.

598
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:53.400
Know, yeah, and in the age of social media and

599
00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:54.920
you got to feed the beast and all that. And

600
00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:57.480
my audience is sick of me telling this, but the

601
00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:00.039
amount of times I'll be watching an hour and my

602
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:02.559
wife shows up thirty six minutes in, stands there for

603
00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:05.240
five seconds and goes, is this guy funny? And you

604
00:28:05.319 --> 00:28:06.799
know I want to hit pause and be like, well,

605
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:08.559
you see what he just did. There, he's at up

606
00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:12.200
eighteen minutes ago to let me throw back and a misdirect,

607
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:14.599
and it's like, you know.

608
00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:18.799
Oh, I mean I have I have so many like

609
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:19.240
I watch.

610
00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:21.640
I had a great special back in two thousand and

611
00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:24.359
eight called Tongues, and it was a two part special.

612
00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:27.119
One part was all about the Irish language, which is

613
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:29.400
why I called it Tongues. The other part is just

614
00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:33.279
material that was relevant to Ireland at that time, which

615
00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:35.839
was actually right at the sort of the an inkling

616
00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:37.759
that the world economy was about to crash, which is

617
00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:40.279
funny because it's a moment in time. But anyway, I

618
00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:41.880
have a very strong, what I think is a very

619
00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:45.880
strong finishing sort of fifteen minutes, but it's very interconnected

620
00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:46.839
and very woven.

621
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:48.960
Like my punchline.

622
00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:51.759
My special finishes with a joke that makes absolutely no

623
00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:56.079
sense unless you've watched the first part of that fifteen minutes,

624
00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:58.519
and so I had a lot of that back in

625
00:28:58.559 --> 00:28:59.160
the day, and I.

626
00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:00.599
Still think that stuff is great.

627
00:29:01.559 --> 00:29:03.160
One of the great things about because that's the other

628
00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:06.359
thing when I said necessity is the mother intertention. Clips

629
00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:12.000
being the currency of modern comedy, I obviously had to

630
00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:14.920
have jokes that stood alone. The great thing about clips

631
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:19.119
is that if you can make clippable jokes work still

632
00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:22.039
within the confines of these great fifteen twenty minute bits,

633
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:25.440
essentially your fifteen twenty minute bit still works the same.

634
00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:25.839
As it used to.

635
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:28.599
It's just so much better. That's what I think.

636
00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:32.160
One more breaking back with des Bishop, you have a

637
00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:35.039
piece of crowd work in your current special that I

638
00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:37.440
will not spoil at all. But as soon as I

639
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:41.680
hit play, I was like, oh, this is amazing, so

640
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:42.960
that hopefully.

641
00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:44.960
That's not a spoiler. We could talk about.

642
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:48.359
That, okay, So for the audience, the clip opens up

643
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:51.279
with crowd work and suddenly you burst into Mandarin and

644
00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:53.359
I'm like, holy yes, who is this guy? Well, this

645
00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:54.000
is amazing.

646
00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:57.200
Well your reaction is literally why that bit is there?

647
00:29:57.480 --> 00:30:00.599
And I really got a credit Shane Gillis because Hannah

648
00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:03.799
said why don't you? And this wasn't like a Shane

649
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:07.319
Gillis bit, but Shane Gillis on his YouTube special I think,

650
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:11.359
or maybe it was his Netflix special. He opens cold

651
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:15.160
open to crowd work, or he cold opens to a bit.

652
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:17.880
It's not like, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the state.

653
00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:21.880
Shane gillis, uh, and that's very effective in the modern

654
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:23.799
world where you just have to grab people's attention. So

655
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:29.119
Hannah said, why don't you open with the Mandarin crowd

656
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:31.160
work and people will just be like, oh shit, this

657
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:35.799
is not what I normally see. And that's why that exists.

658
00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:39.680
And obviously that bit, despite the fact that it sounds complicated,

659
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:43.240
the crowd work of finding somebody that speaks Mandarin and

660
00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:47.400
joking with them in Mandarin, I mean, it works so

661
00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:49.519
well for me. In fact, one of the things that

662
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:53.079
made my transition back to the States so much easier

663
00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:56.160
was because so much of my material about spending time

664
00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:58.799
in China, which obviously takes a bit of time to

665
00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:00.400
explain right now, we're just jumping in to it, but

666
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:04.359
the material I had from my experience in China really

667
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:08.359
translated very easily to America, in fact, better in America.

668
00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:09.400
Than in Ireland.

669
00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:12.759
So I had no problem chucking that bit of crowd

670
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:15.799
work up top, because I know it's funny. It's funny

671
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:19.039
without any awareness of China. It's got a pretty good

672
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:22.839
punchline right at the end. And so everything you experienced

673
00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:24.480
is by design.

674
00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:27.599
It's amazing. So what makes you go to China to

675
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:29.440
be a stand up and that's an aggressive play.

676
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:33.720
Yeah, I mean again, that was one thing led to another.

677
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:37.319
But the very quick list of reasons how I ended

678
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:40.880
up in China was one, I became very friendly with

679
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:43.799
Chinese people on my first documentary project, which was about

680
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:47.240
living on minimum wage. Two it just so happened that

681
00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:50.000
the years leading up to that, I was actually studying

682
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:53.799
kung fu with a cifu from Hong Kong who took

683
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:56.839
us to Chinese dim sum every Sunday afternoon and was

684
00:31:57.160 --> 00:31:59.559
very into teaching us about Chinese culture, which then helped

685
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:02.559
me to connec with those Chinese people who brought me

686
00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:04.440
to China on a vacation in two thousand and four.

687
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:08.359
I was fascinated by China and its difference to the West.

688
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:11.759
Separate to that, but at the same time, my neighborhood,

689
00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:15.920
which we've discussed Flush and Queens, became completely Chinese in

690
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:18.640
my lifetime, and my next door neighbors who I would

691
00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:20.920
shovel snow with if I was back visiting my parents,

692
00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:24.440
they couldn't speak English, and I really became fascinated with

693
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:28.279
like trying to communicate with them. So then when I

694
00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:31.240
made a project in Ireland about learning the Irish language,

695
00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:34.799
which was a very Irish project, and everyone in Ireland

696
00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:38.119
has to learn Gaelican school, so that was like an

697
00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:39.559
easy project to do in Ireland.

698
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:40.960
But once I realized, oh, I'm not bad at.

699
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:45.079
Learning languages, I pitched the idea of doing that in China,

700
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:48.319
to learn Chinese to do stand up in Mandarin. And

701
00:32:48.519 --> 00:32:51.799
that's the quickest version of a very long story about

702
00:32:51.799 --> 00:32:52.599
how I went to China.

703
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:55.759
Did you mentally write in matter in or did you

704
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:57.880
write in English and translate it one.

705
00:32:57.839 --> 00:32:59.839
Hundred percent mentally wrote in Mandarin.

706
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:02.640
Fact, people always say like it must be hard to

707
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:05.240
come up with jokes, you know, because they think of

708
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:07.319
it in terms of translation, and people like Eddie is

709
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:11.279
a great guy, but he takes his show and figures

710
00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:13.279
it out in another language and then does it, and

711
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:17.079
he's done that in numerous languages. But I was trying

712
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:19.200
to do something else, which was I was trying to

713
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:25.119
turn my experiences in China into stand up. So actually,

714
00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:28.359
once I got somewhat a bit of an understanding about

715
00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:31.759
the language, I was able to use my basic Mandarin

716
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:37.079
to tell my fish out of Water stories, and the majority,

717
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:39.599
I'd say only twenty or thirty percent of my jokes

718
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:43.160
actually in Mandarin work in English. The ones that I

719
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:45.920
do in the special are ones that work in English.

720
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:48.039
Some of them don't actually work in Mandarin because they're

721
00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:49.200
they're just different.

722
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:53.200
But most of my stuff in Mandarin works.

723
00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:55.559
Not because of translation, but because it's about things that

724
00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:58.680
are about China. They don't make sense in English or

725
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:00.640
they don't make sense to people that I've into China.

726
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:03.720
So is it more storytelling? Is it raditat tat? Or

727
00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:06.119
is it I don't know. I didn't know how to

728
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:08.639
use the laundry machines and they find humor that the

729
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:10.360
white guy didn't know what to do.

730
00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:13.960
I mean, you can be sure, because the difficulty level

731
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:16.719
is pretty high that I leaned on the easier topics.

732
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:22.199
Fish out of water, mispronunciation jokes, you know, just I

733
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:25.320
guess the entry level things you find funny as somebody

734
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:27.920
who moves to try and trust to learn Mandarin and

735
00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:30.360
is clearly not Chinese. You're a white guy. You stand

736
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:33.800
out all those things. So I leaned on that as

737
00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:38.760
much as possible. And then some basic observations jokes about

738
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:41.960
like the stress around Chinese New Year, and you know,

739
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:44.320
things that are like I would say, maybe next level

740
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:48.519
observations not as simple, but like Chinese people would are

741
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:52.960
impressed that you notice that you know. And that's about

742
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:55.159
as far as I got in terms of like the

743
00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:59.000
difficulty level of my Chinese humor, Like I was only

744
00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:00.639
able to tell the jokes that I could with my

745
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:04.440
basic level of Mandarin and my basic understanding of Chinese life.

746
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:06.920
What kind of rooms are these? By the way, the

747
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:10.440
sound effects for this episode, or I'm so glad you're outside,

748
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:12.440
I'm so glad you explained the fireworks and the dog

749
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:14.360
because this is going to sound amazing as a pod.

750
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:17.400
I'm loving it. What kind of room? I'm so embarrassed.

751
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:19.400
Actually the whole thing is very embarrassing.

752
00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:21.840
But I guess it's interesting because Hannah had no idea

753
00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:26.519
that Halloween was the fireworks time. So well, at my

754
00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:30.559
time in China, the rooms were bar shows because it's

755
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:33.079
not a thing, you know, It wasn't like stand up

756
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:36.360
was a new thing in China, and it was these

757
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:41.079
small pockets in Beijing, Shanghai, Shinjin, Chungdu of people that

758
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:44.880
were like seeing it on the internet, Western people doing

759
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:49.239
stand up and some nerdy comedy fans were like, you know,

760
00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:53.280
putting the Chinese Mandarin subtitles at the bottom, and they

761
00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:56.079
were seeing like clips from the oscars and clips from

762
00:35:56.119 --> 00:35:59.199
the Tonight Show and thinking, oh, let's do that. So

763
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:01.960
I was in the very early stages of that. So

764
00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:04.320
that's largely the types of rooms I was doing.

765
00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:06.880
Was that. Joe Wang.

766
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:08.400
I don't know if you have an interviewed him, but

767
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:10.719
he actually made his career in the States. He said,

768
00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:14.639
from China, Chinese immigranty the United States, but did really

769
00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:17.400
well stand up in English, did a couple of really

770
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:21.079
big letterman sets and really was amazing stand.

771
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:23.719
Up to be honest, like really astute.

772
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:25.639
Observations, but again a little fish out of water, but

773
00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:29.519
classic Chinese guy play on words, a little mathematical. Anyway,

774
00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:31.960
he blew up because he roast to Joe Biden when

775
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:34.599
he was vice president and it went viral in China,

776
00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:38.440
so viral that he went back to China to do

777
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:41.840
because he was famous, and he's had quite the career

778
00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:44.159
in China since I was there, actually since that time,

779
00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:47.239
and the only big shows I did were opening up

780
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:49.039
for him. But he was doing stand up in Mandarin,

781
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:51.199
but he was struggling with doing stand up and manner

782
00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:53.440
as much as I was, because his comedy brain was

783
00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:56.920
very much fish out of water comedy in English, about

784
00:36:56.920 --> 00:37:01.239
being in America. He had to almost find a different

785
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:05.360
identity speaking as a Chinese person from the northeast of China,

786
00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:08.599
just speaking about modern China. So that was the only

787
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:10.719
time I did like a theater was with him.

788
00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:14.199
We're worried about the censors, and obviously you're not gonna

789
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:15.639
lose your mind and get up and you know, do

790
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:18.119
five minutes about the government. But are you worried about

791
00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:20.719
maybe stepping on something you don't even know as a

792
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:21.840
landmine culturally?

793
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:26.800
I mean, yeah, you would definitely worry about stepping on

794
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:27.360
a landmine.

795
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:29.840
In terms of like being that in the room that night.

796
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:32.760
I mean, you're definitely not gonna You're not going to

797
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:38.159
be the asshole who you know, does stuff that's going

798
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:39.920
to make the crowd uncomfortable because they think that this

799
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:44.119
is too subversive. In a place where that's not safe,

800
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:49.800
you can touch on stuff I made a joke and

801
00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:52.840
actual show about One of the great things about China

802
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:55.320
is comedy is always about finding the line and just

803
00:37:55.400 --> 00:37:57.480
crossing it just a little bit, but a lot of

804
00:37:57.480 --> 00:37:59.639
times you don't know where the line is, Like we're

805
00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:03.039
joking about Tony Hinchcliffe, like he totally misjudged the line

806
00:38:03.079 --> 00:38:05.840
and now there's chaos right Whereas in China the line

807
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:08.519
is very clear. The things you don't talk about and

808
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:10.639
if you do, you go to jail. The joke is

809
00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:12.599
always three teased. He had him into bet Taiwan. But

810
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:16.159
I wasn't interested in causing any trouble.

811
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:17.280
Wasn't my job.

812
00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:19.280
I mean, I could go on about this topic for

813
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:21.480
a long time, but it's gotten a lot worse in

814
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:24.440
China since I was there, so actually there's even less

815
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:27.360
freedom of speech there than when I was there.

816
00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:30.199
But what I will say is that stand up in itself,

817
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:31.480
it's kind.

818
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:35.679
Of subversive there in the sense that our Western style

819
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:40.719
stand up is individualistic, and it's like often not always,

820
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:43.719
but often personal. You're speaking about your life in a

821
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:50.000
way that wouldn't be quintessential Asian culture. And these young

822
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:52.760
men and women that are going up there and saying

823
00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:57.960
joking about their difficult relationships with their parents, breaking Chinese

824
00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:02.000
cultural norms, not political stuff, but Chinese cultural norms, talking

825
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:06.480
about dating stuff like that. In China, it's actually it's

826
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:10.840
pretty subversive. It's pretty challenging to the audience in a

827
00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:14.719
way that we don't appreciate because we're post sexual revolution,

828
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:18.960
we're post being able to criticize religion where we're we're

829
00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:22.119
going backwards. But largely we live in a situation where

830
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:26.079
we can say whatever we want without fear of, uh,

831
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:28.400
you know, upsetting people to the point that it's going

832
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:32.079
to cause our lives, you know, more issues than being canceled. Right,

833
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:35.320
So the whole thing was more impressive than it sounds

834
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:37.840
when you say, oh, well, I couldn't joke about the government,

835
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:40.400
or I couldn't talk about Tianaman or Tibet.

836
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:42.679
You know, I'll head for home here. You've been very

837
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:46.880
generous with your time. My daughter was snooping my calendar.

838
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:49.159
She texts me. She's like, I sawna calendar. You're talking

839
00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:50.960
to danz Bychev. Do you know he's married too, She's

840
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:54.639
in her early twenty I'm like, yes, yes, but that's

841
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:57.079
I'm not going to ask forty five minutes of questions

842
00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:00.480
about Hannah. But she was very excited. Are you seeing

843
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:04.280
an audience pick up in the States because of the podcast?

844
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:07.800
I mean, honestly, there was an immediate pickup just from

845
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:11.039
my association with Hannah, and the more popular she got,

846
00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:14.039
the more I would get people that would support me

847
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:18.119
because they became aware of me through Hannah originally.

848
00:40:18.599 --> 00:40:20.519
But that was usually just like a small group.

849
00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:24.159
The podcast a little bit, but I really feel that

850
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:26.960
the bigger thing has been the clips. I mean, there's

851
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:31.719
definitely some podcast people, but the clips have been the

852
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:34.639
bigger thing. But I think that some of those clips

853
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:38.760
probably went more viral because people were like sharing them

854
00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:42.440
because they were like, this is Hannah's husband. So, without

855
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:47.239
a doubt, there has been positive career associations with.

856
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:48.960
Being married to Hannah.

857
00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:51.559
But I must point out that when I met Hannah,

858
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:53.320
she had only done a year of stand up.

859
00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:54.400
Stand up had been.

860
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:59.239
Stopped because of COVID, and you know, it was a

861
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:03.840
very different time I'm in her career and like actually

862
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:07.559
because you know, the reality stuff finished, so like stressfully,

863
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:10.480
it wasn't an immediate sense of wow, this has been

864
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:13.519
amazing for my career, and it was more like, wow,

865
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:16.000
this has been very difficult for my mental health.

866
00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:18.199
Are you are you a stand up for life? Do

867
00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:20.159
you want to act? And I'm asking that because you've

868
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:21.440
got great hair game.

869
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:23.519
Well, it's not that great today.

870
00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:25.320
I did go to the gym and have a shower,

871
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:27.280
but I did not brush my hair nor blow dry.

872
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:32.159
But sorry, I mean there was always in my mind

873
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:34.000
like I would love to do movies, but I never.

874
00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:36.400
Wanted to do auditions or put in.

875
00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:39.559
The hard yards because well, I think not all but

876
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:41.079
a lot of stand ups are kind of like not

877
00:41:41.119 --> 00:41:42.920
control freaks. But you just get used to sort of

878
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:45.679
like making your own work, putting your own work on,

879
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:49.800
and there's a freedom to that. Acting is very much

880
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:53.079
like weight and see, so I always kind of hope

881
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:55.440
that something would like fall on my lap. A couple

882
00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:59.199
of things have, but not to any huge extent. And

883
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:01.800
I have done plenty of auditions throughout the years, but

884
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:05.519
nothing easy ever came my way. So yes, I would

885
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:11.079
still act, but stand up and writing, and you know,

886
00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:13.559
you want to know the truth. Actually, I always thought

887
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:16.239
that as I got older, I would settle into radio, but.

888
00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:17.760
The industry just changed.

889
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:22.280
So actually me too, I'm doing a podcast date.

890
00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:27.400
Yeah, so uh, and I what I miss?

891
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:29.880
I mean, I still go and do radio interviews, but

892
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:32.840
and I got actually before I turned down two pretty

893
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:36.840
good radio offers to go to China just coincidentally enough,

894
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:40.280
I filled in for two Irish radio presenters on two

895
00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:43.000
different radio stations, and they both offered me quite good

896
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:48.079
jobs after filling in for the week, and at both

897
00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:50.400
of those offers, I just was like, listen, I'm going

898
00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:53.400
to China. And I saw that as something for a

899
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:56.559
little bit later in my life. I just didn't know

900
00:42:56.599 --> 00:42:59.800
that within the next decade that industry would change and

901
00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:01.320
all so that I would want to spend a bit

902
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:03.039
more time in the state. So I wasn't looking for

903
00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:06.199
like an Irish radio job, but I do like the

904
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:10.760
formality of five days a week on the radio, producer

905
00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:15.360
up bit of focus time in the office, Like I

906
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:18.639
think podcasting is slowly kind of essentially becoming that, but

907
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:24.320
I haven't found that model, and I miss the way

908
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:26.400
it used to be in that not all areas of

909
00:43:26.440 --> 00:43:29.880
the industry, but I do miss that type of focus.

910
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:32.760
It was fun. A big bulk of my career is

911
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:35.519
producing radio shows. And just like you're saying, the relationship

912
00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:38.360
between a producer and a host, and especially like if

913
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:41.679
I'm producing you and I'm giving you the side like you,

914
00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:43.639
we have to have that circle of trust of like, dude,

915
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:45.440
you're going off the rails here, trust me. It's like

916
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:47.280
trust me, trust me and giving you and I'm doing

917
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:49.719
out of habit on the video here giving your hand

918
00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:51.880
signals or you know, hey, wrap it up, are you

919
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:54.639
going to hang yourself here? Get out of this? Let's go. Yeah,

920
00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:55.480
it's radio is dead.

921
00:43:56.199 --> 00:43:56.599
It is.

922
00:43:56.679 --> 00:43:59.159
But what I do think will happen because I always

923
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:01.159
say to Hannick is kind of like a very good podcaster,

924
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:05.760
and I guess somewhat of a pioneer female podcast certainly

925
00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:06.920
was pretty early into the game.

926
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:10.480
But I feel that over time.

927
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:14.960
Some of that formality will return because the money is there,

928
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:21.239
and I think to maintain an audience, the standards have

929
00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:26.239
to be there, the sense of fresh ideas, keeping it interesting.

930
00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:28.880
Like a lot of podcasts are great, but they're like

931
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:32.119
a moment in time, and then when that moment passes,

932
00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:34.440
then it's like where do we go from here? Like

933
00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:37.320
all that stuff will naturally be necessary. So I do

934
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:39.800
think that some of the formality of the way it

935
00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:40.960
used to be will come back.

936
00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:43.079
And the last thing I always say to Hannaz.

937
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:45.840
The one thing podcasting is really lacking is the sense

938
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:50.440
of its happening right now. For certain issues, certain types

939
00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:54.480
of radio. I think that still has value, and I

940
00:44:54.559 --> 00:44:57.360
think that that will be the next evolution. Is a

941
00:44:57.400 --> 00:45:01.920
better way of listening live other than oh this podcaster

942
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:03.719
goes live on YouTube. But it's not the same.

943
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:06.360
Yeah, no, it's not the same. It will not surprise

944
00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:08.599
me if I used to work a serious If they

945
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:11.199
open up a bag of cash for Hannah and she

946
00:45:11.239 --> 00:45:14.039
winds up with a station and they pay, well, just

947
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:14.599
say yes.

948
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:17.559
Well, as it turns out, they actually didn't give Hannah

949
00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:19.639
a great offer, but they Hannah's doing fine.

950
00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:23.599
But Sirius was one of the low bowlers, a really well.

951
00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:27.039
I probably get in trouble to say. I probably shouldn't

952
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have said that. I didn't evean. Whatever. Such is life.

953
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Appreciate your time today, man, this is awesome.

954
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Thank you so much.

955
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Wasn't he fantastic? I loved him. I could have talked

956
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to him for another hour, but you know, you ask

957
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for twenty minutes and he keep forty five. Yeah, you

958
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gotta let people go at some point. But he was

959
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so easy to talk to. Des Bishop especial is called

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of all people. You will find it on YouTube. See

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you back here tomorrow.