Oct. 30, 2024

Everyone and their grandmother's take on Tony Hinchcliffe

Show Notes
Transcript

Nothing but Politics and Tony Hinchcliffe today gang.

Johnny Mac delves into the latest controversies surrounding comedian Tony Hinchcliffe's set at a Trump rally, exploring the backlash from both the public and fellow comedians. The episode also touches on Jon Stewart's continued hosting gig on The Daily Show, Seth Meyers' recent episode, and musings from other comedians like Michael Ian Black and Mark Maron on the intersection of comedy and politics.

00:20 Jon Stewart's take on Tony
01:32 Tony Hinchcliffe Controversy
02:14 Comedians React to Hinchcliffe
04:13 Late Night Hosts Weigh In
04:43 DraftKings and Hinchcliffe Fallout
06:47 Joe Rogan's Influence
07:42 Michael Ian Black's Perspective
08:23 Marc Maron's Take on Comedy and Politics
11:23 Laurie Kilmartin and Andy Kindler's Views
13:06 Conclusion and Personal Notes

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Caalaroga Shark Media.

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Hey, I'm Johnny Mack with your daily comedy news. Today

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is nothing but politics and Tony Hinchcliff. If that's not

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your thing, if that doesn't float your boat, and you

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want to check out, and I'll see you tomorrow, no problem,

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I understand. For those of you who are sticking around,

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Let's start with John Stewart, who maybe perhaps has added

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some sanity to this discussion.

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Now, obviously in retrospect, having a roast comedian come to

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a political rally a week before election day and roasting

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a key voting demographic probably not the best decision by

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the campaign politically. But to be fair, the guy's really

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just doing.

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What he does.

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I mean, here he is at the Tom Brady roast

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a few months ago.

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The Great Jeff Ross. Ladies and gentlemen, Jeff is so

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Jewish he only watches football for the coin toss. Gronk,

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you look like the Nazi that kept burning himself on

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the ovens. Kevin is so small that when his ancestors

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picked cotton they called it deadlifting.

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Jess.

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Yes, of course, terrible boo. Yes, there's something wrong with me.

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I find that guy very funny. So I'm sorry, I

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don't know what to tell you.

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I mean, bringing him to a rally and have him

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not do roast jokes.

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I'd be like bringing Beyonce to a rally, not.

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Oh Joe Coy's got to be pretty happy he's off

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the hook. Both fans of Taylor Swift and the Chiefs

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have formed a united front against Tony Hinchcliff. One of

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the jokes Hinchcliff said was, I don't know about you guys,

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but I think Travis Kelcey might be the next O. J. Simpson.

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Not even sure what that means. It is not a

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good joke. He then continued, and I have played this clip.

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The other side's got a lot of crazy endorsements, Taylor Swift,

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M and M Leo DiCaprio, Beyonce. Every day the Democratic

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Party looks more like a P Diddy party. When social

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media use tweeted, oh, this m effort didn't only go

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full racist after he went after Travis Kelcey. And I'm

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pretty sure Taylor Swift is going to effing zue his

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behind for the Diddy comments. Hashtag Chiefs Kingdom, hashtag Magga cults.

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A lot of comedians are chiming in and for the

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most part it's not famous comedians, so I think many

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things can be true. I think the joke was awful.

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I think the environment amplified the joke being awful just

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as a joke in general. And I think perhaps, possibly,

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maybe there's some jealousy of Tony Hinchcliffe's success here. Samantha

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Ruddy tweeted, starting to think the guy whose primary source

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of income is showcasing every city's most desperate, mentally ill

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comedians and then ripping them to shreds might be bad.

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Brandon Cooney tweeted, and stay with this one. One time

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at the roast Battle, Tony Hinchcliff was a judge and

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he tried to make fun of this random open micer.

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But the open micer said, yeah, but what happened to

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your Netflix special? That really sucked? And the crowd uproariously

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laughed at his face, and he came back with I

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had a Netflix special and you're an open micer, And

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the open micer said, yeah, but it was really bad,

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and the crowd laughty even harder. And my memory's not

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one hundred but I'm pretty sure he started at Tony

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sucks chant that pretty much everyone joined Theanon and people

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were legit giving him high fives. That open micer's name

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was Tim Walls. Guy Brainham tweeted, to be fair, none

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of the comics had a great set at Nuremberg either.

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James Corden. Writer Sean O'Connor wrote, there is something so

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incredible about seeing the worst comedian in the world bomb

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so hard he changes the course of US history. Laurie

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Kilmartin wrote, in my opinion, roast jokes work because you

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have to fight your inner no to laugh at them.

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And the people at Trump's rally probably call Puerto Rico

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afloating garbage sheep every morning before they leave for work.

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It's not a joke to them, not even a roast joke.

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In Carmel, who was the head writer for James Cordon, tweeted,

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big day on here for your favorite comedian's least favorite comedian.

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Chris Estrada tweeted, more than ever we need Will Smith

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to slap a comedian. Michael ian Black I'll talk more

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about in a second, wrote I think America just found

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its next Jim Brewer. Robin Tran wrote, most of the

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comedians piling on Tony making jokes about him. That's what

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we do when we don't like somebody, We make jokes

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about them. W camal Bell said, Tony Hinchcliff's career with

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Trump barely lasted a tenth of a Scaramucci, Devin Costa.

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Democrats are finally outraged at a bombing. The Late Night

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crew got involved, Seth Myers. Do you know how bad

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something has to be for the Trump campaign to distance

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themselves from it? Trump won't even distance himself from Hannibal Lecter.

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He's bragging about how similar he is to Scarface. Colbert said, Buddy,

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you don't get to call something a floating pile of

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garbage when you're standing on top of Penn Station. They

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clean off the pe with fresher pe Kimmel. It was ugly,

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it was mean, It was hateful, it was racist, it

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was anti Semitic, it was stupid. They really pissed off

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Porto Ricans to the point that Bad Bunny had to

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get involved. And that's when you know you've got a problem.

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Has Tony blown his relationship with Draft Kings. Hinchcliffe at

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one point had tweeted about the start of the NBA

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season with a promo code for new betters. That post

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has now been deleted. Multiple other Draft King promo posts

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have apparently been deleted. Hinchcliff recently was on ESPN's Game

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Day and crack some jokes. I shared those with you

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last week. DraftKings, in a statement, said the commentsary made

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by Tony Hinchcliff does not reflect the views of DraftKings.

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I think that's in reference to the ESPN stuff and

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not the appearance at the Trump rally, but I'm not sure.

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The New York Post reported that Tony actually worked out

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the material at a comedy club the night before the

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appearance Saturday night. Tony was reportedly at the stand NBC

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News quote happened to have a news producer in the audience. Unquote.

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That's interesting. I guess news producers go to comedy clubs.

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No way, they were tipped off right. According to that report,

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the joke when told that the strand, did not get

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any laughs, only a handful of awkward chuckles. The Daily

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Beast reported Trump's campaign had prior knowledge of the jokes

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in Hinchcliff's speech, and even censored one joke for being

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too extreme. A campaign insider it told The Bulwark Tony

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Hinchcliffe had a joke calling Harris a C word. Let's

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just say it was a red flag. Four sources in

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the Trump campaigns said that staffers as speaker to submit

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draft speeches prior to the event. While reviewing, Tony said

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the C word remark was spotted and the convenient was

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asked to remove it. Campaign insiders who spoke to The

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Bulwark claimed, however, they didn't notice the other controversial jokes,

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claiming those were ad libbed. I've watched a lot of

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comedy in my time. The island joke to me does

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not at all appear to be ad libbed. Maybe he

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didn't submit it for review, but it's not like he

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was doing crowd work and threw that out there. No way,

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in my opinion. The Daily Beach reports that the insiders

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were divided on whether or not Tony's immigration unprotected sex

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double on Tandra about how Hispanics come inside the country

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was pre approved. Daniel Alvarez, a Trump senior advisor, said

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the island joke does not reflect the views of President

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Trump or the campaign. The Daily be suggests that it

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was Joe Rogan who put the idea of Hinchcliff into

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Donald Trump's breen. On the August fourteenth episode of The

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Joe Rogan Experience, Rogan apparently said it would behoove him

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to hire a few great comics to just tour them

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and just write one liners about all these different effing people,

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if he could remember them. I like how he goes

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off in his own head, but if he could remember

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a few Hinchcliff bangers, if he hires Hinchcliff to take

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him on the road, you know how effing insane that

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would be Hingecliff writing bangers for Trump to crap on

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people paraphrasing. Sticking with Rogan, he explained why Kamala Harris

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has not been on the podcast yet. Joe Rogan tweeted

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for the record, the Harris campaign has not passed on

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doing the podcast. They offered a date for Tuesday, but

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I would have had to travel to her and they

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only wanted to do an hour. I strongly feel the

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best way to do it is in the studio in Austin.

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My sincere wish is just to have a nice conversation

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and get to know her as a human being. I

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really hope we can make that happen. Jd Vance is

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scheduled to tape with Rogan today Michael Ian Black as

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a sub stack, he wrote about all this. Some of

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his substacks says, the problem is when you try to

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take a roast format and bring it to a mega rally.

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What are the tenets of the roast format is that

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it's all in good fun. Host and guests make fun

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of each other, no holds barret, and everybody walks away

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shaking hands and maybe making out, probably not making out.

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safe space and nobody gets bent out of shape because

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everybody understands the format. Not so much at a mega

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rally where harm is very much intended. Tony's racist jokes

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by themselves or whatever kind of hackey, but who cares

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they cease being jokes and start being just some more

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wallpaper with which to decorate the Eagle's nest. Mark Marin

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posted a lengthy statement on his own website, More about

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the Election, Less about Hingecliff Maron writes, the Democratic idea anxious, folks.

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We're all anxious. I assume it's funny. I don't do

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a political show, but I am very political innately, I

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keep up I read too many clickbait pieces as I

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waver between almost uncontrollable fear and not really hope but

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just fantasizing for an outcome Tho'll guarantee the process of

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culture and freedom of mind for everyone. Once tolerance is

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removed from the dialogue, democracy suffocates. Even though I don't

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do a political show, I've been very clear in my

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specials and on the podcast that I believe in a

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belief for years what's brewing in the country is an

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American fascist movement half in grievance and half in Jesus,

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enabled by tech oligarchs and an inundation of propaganda from

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many sources. Skipping ahead, Marin turned to comedy and said,

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the anti wop flank of the New Fascism is being

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driven almost exclusively by comics my peers. Whether or not

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they're self serving or true believers and the New Fascism

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is unimportant. They are of the movement. Whether they see

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themselves as acolytes or just comics doesn't matter. Whether they're

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driven by the idea that what they're fighting for is

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a free speech issue, whether they're truly morally bankrupt racist

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doesn't matter. They're part of the public face of a

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fascist political movement that seeks to destroy the democratic idea.

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When comedians with podcasts have shameless self proclaimed white supremacists

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and fascists on their side to joke around like they're

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just entertainers, even politicians, all does is humanize and normalize fascism.

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It may be all self serving, greedy influencers and comics

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and public personalities, and certainly tech companies want to align

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themselves with an unapologetic right wing movement. There's no concerns

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for regulation or law or justice or decency or democracy

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to increase their earnings and put them in the seat

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of power. Mark continues and signs off, and Joe love

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marin Vulture rights that Hinchcliff would use this platform to

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tell jokes if this nature would have been unsurprising to

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anyone familiar with his work. He is first and foremost

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a roast comic who revels in shock. It's a sensibility

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he developed as a means to capture audience attention at

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the Comedy Store in la where he honed his chops

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back in twenty seventeen, Hingecliffe said, my style is very

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much arranged around the darkness and extremely late spots and

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having to be compelling. I had no choice. Normally, by

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the time I go on stage, they've already seen fourteen

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of the best comedians in town. Skipping ahead Vulture Rights.

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Trump has been courting young male podcast listeners aggressively in

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recent weeks, with appearances on Rogan Andrew Schultz, THEO Vaughn.

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Most of these comedians are political agnostics. They're too interested

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in maintaining their image as nonpartisan freethinkers to explicitly support

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one presidential candidate over another at a rally. But Hinchcliff

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has long been a public proponent of Trump. Yet Hinchcliffe's

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comedy style was never going to fly in the setting

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when broadcast to the public. A presidential rally is not

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a kill Tony open mic skipping ahead Vulture Rights, Hingchecliffe

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set in its entire beer to play fine in the room.

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a good sense of humor, free speeches under attack unquote

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Vulture Rights. Then, like clockwork, a bunch of Democrats got mad.

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Legitimacy of the grievances unfortunately irrelevant. If the Trump campaign

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booked Hingecliff to convey to his audience that'd vote for

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them as a vote to protect the uninhibited comedy that

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see it. It killed Tony's show. They might have just gotten

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that message across the only Times dove In Lori kil

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Martin asked, if George Carlin was alive right now and

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doing a podcast, would he have Trump on it? Would

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Trump want to appear on it? I think no to both. Hmm,

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she thinks George would do. I'm struggling to even imagine

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George having a podcast if I had a pick. I

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don't know if Carland would want to amplify the Trump

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message or if he would have him on and slam

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with words. Kill Martin said, as comedians, I think we're

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supposed to be the ones making politicians uncomfortable, not comfortable.

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I never liked it when presidents appeared on SNL when

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the comics were impersonating them. They should be running away

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from you, not cozying up to you. And the ones

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that do push back. Trump's not going on. Andy Kindler said,

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if you look at Trump now, you know the Trump

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will forever be seen as one of the most evil

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people in the history of the world. As for podcasters

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having Trump on, they know there's money and saying something's

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wrong with being woke. People listen to Joe Rogan and

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they don't vaccinate themselves. People have died listening to the lies.

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I don't even know what you say about a company

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like Spotify. All they care about is the numbers of

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the people who listen to his show. Mark Marin said,

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even if you're a comic, when is across the line

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they're normalizing fascism when they have these guys on their show.

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Because the Delivery System is a comedy podcast. Would you

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say yes, you could be on my show and talk

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to my people and us on platform, even if you

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think it's gonna be a laugh. I'm gonna talk to

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Trump about cocaine. Me and Trump could talk about wrestling.

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self serving. It's going to get you a bunch of

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new followers and make you some money. You're still facilitating

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and helping a fascist no matter what you're claiming going

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to be Libertarians are apathetic or both siders. We're just

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trying to get to the truth. They made it very

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clear Trump and his minions what they want, and it's

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not democracy. It's fundamentally Unamerican. There's a point where it's

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not funny anymore. This is not just another election. It's

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really not all right. That was a lot there. Let's

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take the break, let's be right back in all this

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hinchclop stuff. I forgot to mention did I even share

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with you? I started watching Seth Myers. I was watching

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him between the end of Red Zone and the beginning

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of Sunday Night Football. I got maybe twenty minutes in.

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I liked it. I thought it was pretty good. But

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work to do. This hinge clup stuff's creating a lot

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of extra work. And there's been sports on seven nights

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a week. You know, the World Series. The Jets are

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on Thursday Night Football, and you know I love making

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fun of the Jets. So I might be Friday before

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I get to Papa John Stewart, who we started with.

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He is going to extend his time in the hosting

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chair at the Daily Show he'll be there at least

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through December twenty twenty five, still doing only Mondays. Stuart,

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in a statement said, I've truly enjoyed being back working

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with the incredible team at the Daily Show in Comedy Central,

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hoping to allow me to do every other Monday, but

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I'll just have to suck it up. Speaking of Seth Meyers,

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on a recent episode of The Lonely Island and Seth

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Meyers Podcast, Andy Samberg and Nikiva Schaeffer, we're talking about

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the Lonely Island, Samberg said, truth beat sold during the

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writer strike, we were sitting on our hands a bit

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doing our proper nothing, and we were like, what could

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we do now? And we did kind of hop back

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at the studio and made some songs. Unclear how many,

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because we're not sure how many we deem releasable, Lakiva

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Shaffer said, and there's still a bunch that are half

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songs where it's like, if we could get some time

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to go back to the studio, we might be able

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to crack the rest of that one. Samberg said. It's

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harder now because they don't have the outlet they once

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had on SNL to get songs written and recorded. They

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have to go out of their way to make time

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in their schedule, and you have to get them out

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there somehow. And that is your comedy news for today.

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That was a lot, see tomorrow.