March 28, 2025

Farewell to Taylor Tomlinson's 'After Midnight' and Remembering Mitch Hedberg

Farewell to Taylor Tomlinson's 'After Midnight' and Remembering Mitch Hedberg

Johnny Mac dives into the abrupt cancellation of CBS's 'After Midnight,' with Taylor Tomlinson opting to return to stand-up comedy. He touches on Colbert's comments and the future impact on staff. The show also discusses recent specials from comedians...

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Johnny Mac dives into the abrupt cancellation of CBS's 'After Midnight,' with Taylor Tomlinson opting to return to stand-up comedy. He touches on Colbert's comments and the future impact on staff. The show also discusses recent specials from comedians like John Mulaney and the state of their buzz, highlighting trends in Netflix specials. Fans of Mitch Hedberg are in for a treat as the episode features an in-depth look at his legacy with guest Jeff Siegel discussing his upcoming documentary. Listeners also hear from Dylan from the Facebook group about his experience seeing Hedberg live and his thoughts on today's comedy landscape.

00:00 Introduction and Daily Comedy News
00:24 Taylor Tomlinson's Return to Standup
01:31 Late Night TV Changes and Reflections
04:56 John Mulaney and Netflix Top 10
08:53 Melbourne Comedy Festival Incident
10:34 Nikki Glaser's Controversial Comments

14:22 Mitch Hedberg Tribute
22:23 Mitch Hedberg's Relatability and Legacy
22:54 The Longevity of Stylized Comedians
23:16 Steven Wright's Career and Influence
24:28 The Evolution of Comedy Styles
26:40 Modern Comedy Consumption
28:39 The State of Comedy Specials
42:45 The Impact of Cancel Culture on Comedy
44:22 Howard Stern's Influence and Legacy

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Caalaroga, Shock Media.

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Hey there, busy one today, I'm Johnny mag with your

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daily comedy names. Let me do the eight block and

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then I'll tell you what's going on long show today. Shockingly,

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I can't believe this. After Midnight canceled by CBS. It

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seems like it was a mutual decision. Taylor Tomlinson has

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decided to return to stand up. I saw this just

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after I put Thursday's show to bed, and I was like, WHOA.

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Unfortunately I couldn't jump in and make an edit. Sometimes

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I have to do other things, like prep what I

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had to teach at my college class on Thursday. Warning,

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Taylor explains, I'm doing less stand up than I was

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before hosting After Midnight. I was on tour three weekends

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a month for years. So to take this job and

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I'm always gonna have to scale back a little bit,

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was a very difficult decision for me. I wasn't sure

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if it was something I want to do or not,

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because stand up is the most important thing to me.

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It's the most rewarding thing I'll Last month, during a

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panel at south By, Taylor said, I'm doing less stand

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up than I was before hosting After midnight. I was

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on tour three weekends a month for years, so to

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take the job and know that I was gonna have

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to scale back a little bit was very difficult for me.

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I wasn't sure if it was something I wanted to

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do or not. Because stand up is the most important

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thing to me, It's the most rewarding thing. I was

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very clear about that in the interview process. I was like,

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just so you know, this will never be my first love.

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This show will never be my thing thing. Stand up

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is the most important thing to me, and as long

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as I can do both, I'd love to do both.

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Apparently she meant. In a statement, Taylor Thomlinson thanked Stephen Colbert,

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producer of the show, justa thank thee staff, and cru

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CBS says it will not come up with a new

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twelve thirty show. I don't think that's crazy. I think

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it's a different time, and I was thinking back even

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when Letterman was on, my godmother bought me a VCR

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and it was the greatest thing ever. I never watched

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Letterman live after that. In the early days before the VCR,

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in the summer, I would stay up until one o'clock

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in the morning He couldn't even make it to the

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end of a Letterman even though I was a teenager

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during school. Forget it, watch a show twelve thirty, How's

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that gonna happen? And Letterman wasn't even on on Friday.

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They had Friday night videos, so you couldn't even stay

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up late the one day. But I remember the summer

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staying up waiting for Dave to come on at twelve thirty,

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which is how I wound up watching Johnny Carson. It

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was the thing you stared at to kill time until

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twelve thirty. No Internet, we had five channels. Totally different

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time guys. I lived in Queens, New York. Queen's New

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he stared at Johnny Carson. Eventually Dave came on. I

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digress CBS not coming up on the new twelve thirty show.

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I don't think that's crazy at all. There's also some

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industry speculation. Now will NBC react in tel Seth Meyers, Hey,

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thanks man Seth. If somebody says SNL, you might want

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to grab that gig. Unfortunately, as many as two hundred

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staffers could be affected by the decision do two hundred

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people work on After Midnight? Now, I get there were writers.

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I get this, a support staff, somebody's paying the bills,

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somebody's building the sets, somebody's booking the guests, somebody's letting

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the crowd in, somebody's editing the tape. I got it.

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Two hundred Yeah, that sounds like a lot. I worked

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on a TV show, Doctor Joy Brown had a syndicated

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talk show. Let's say that was when I got my

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first computer and cell phone Circle ninety five ninety six.

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That was an hour a day, five days a week.

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I could tell you we didn't have two hundred people,

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but it was also a different time. The entire social

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media team was me, but there wasn't much social media

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to be done in nineteen ninety five. It was more

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like going on O, going like AOL chats and stuff,

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trying to promote the show. I digress again. Late nighter,

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watched the end of Colbert's show and at the end,

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Steven said, this is the part of the show where

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I usually say stick around for Taylor Thompson on After Midnight.

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I really enjoy doing that, not just because I'm an

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executive producer on that show, but because she's incredibly funny

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and I really liked that show. Unfortunately, After Midnight is

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going to end in June. I believe the show had

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been picked up for a third season, So this sounds

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like Taylor has changed her mind and wants to go

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back to stand up. That's what Taylor said in her statement.

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Colbert went on to reiterate what he had said in

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his press statement. According to Late Nighter, CBS just gave

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us a pick up for a third season, but Taylor

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has decided to return his stand up full time. And

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as someone who's done this job for twenty years, I

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completely respect her enormously as a comedian, and I'm making

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a very hard decision on how to best use her

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time and talent. Colbert went on to thank CBS for

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their support. I've been doing this a long time, and

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you rarely have partners that good, Meaning CBS, you'd have

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to work on one of these shows like we do

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to understand all the time and effort the amazing staff

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After Midnight put into it, not only launching a new show,

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but also creating a new form of one of these

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shows for a late night time slot. Are we going

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to pretend that Chris Hardwick didn't do this already. Are

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we going to do that? Steven? Come on. It's hard

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to try something new, and it's rare for a network

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to say we'd like more of that. I think this

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is a straight deal. I think Missus Taylor wanted to

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go back to stand up. But I'm not going to

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tell you that. My spidery sense isn't tingling. So if

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I come on here Monday and I'm like, oh, I've

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got an update, don't be shocked. Did you watch John

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Mulaney this week? I haven't. I don't feel the need

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to watch it, which is a shame because I was

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so excited about it as I put together the show.

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No milany related stories are organically coming to me. If

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I type in John Mulaney, still kind of nothing. I

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remember Pete Davidson was the guest and I typed in

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Pete Davidson, which surfaced something about mullaney. So I don't

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think there's any buzz on that show. As I speak

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to you, it is two twenty four pm on Thursday,

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and I'm going to type in Netflix top ten. I

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did this half an hour ago, so I know where

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I'm going here. But I'm gonna do it again quote unquote,

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live to you. So my source here is Netflix. I'm

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on netflix dot com. Top ten shows in the United States.

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Number one Adolescents here, that's really good. Number two the Residents,

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the guys at trivia we're talking about that. Three is

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Burt Kreischer's lucky and so let's stop there. You know,

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how do you define top ten? I don't know. Streamer

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math can be a little wonky, and so you'll see

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something like suits being quote unquote number one, but there's

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a lot of suits. Like you could sit down and

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watch sixteen hours of suits, which might increase whatever metric

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they're looking at, total hours viewed whatever. Burt Kreischer it's

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an hour, as is John mulaney. So there's a kind

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of sort of equal. It's at least apples and a

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different type of apple. It's not apples and oranges. So

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I'm comparing an hour of Burt Kreischer and an hour

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of John mullaney. So again, one is adolescents, which again

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you might binge and watch all four the Residents you

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might binge and watch is there eight? I don't know.

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Three is Burt Kreischer. Four is the Saint Patrick's Day

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episode of Raw. Not this week's the March seventeenth one.

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That's interesting. Five is Temptation Island Season one, six, Miss

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Rachel Season one, seven, Running Point season one, eight, The

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Walking Dead, Dead City Season one nine, Zero Day Limited series.

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That's pretty good. I watched that. Ten Beauty and Black

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season one. What did I not mention? Let me click

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on trending. Maybe it's trending my source here, Netflix dot Com.

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I'm getting from them. Let's see, they have not updated

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their page since March thirteenth. I can't help you, John,

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I've now clicked on what to watch. They want us

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to watch five chilling Stephen King adaptations you can stream

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right now. This page hasn't been updated since March twelfth.

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I'm gonna click on shows. My source Netflix dot Com

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updated yesterday, meaning Wednesday, at eleven eleven am. Million Dollar Secret.

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What to know about the players in their twisty new

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game Popular Now Adolescens, Temptation Island, the residents? What am

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I not mentioning? What word have I not said? That's right, listener, Mullaney,

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I have not said the word mullaney. There's no buzz

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on this thing, even on Netflix's own site. I don't

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know what to make of it. I not here to

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bash John. You'll hear me talk with Jason Ziddaman from

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The New York Times on Sunday's episode. I have some

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thoughts about the show, but it's not working right now,

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all right. Pete Davidson was the guest this week, and

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since it's Pete Davison, you have to ask him about

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his dating history. Lunel was on the cat Shore whatever

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they have on Malleniy's show and says, I want to

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know the mistique. To me, you're just an average guy,

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regular guy, but you continuously pull all these bad B words, right,

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so I don't get it. I want to know the mistique.

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What I think for the researching for women across America

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is you should take me out. Pete said, if that's

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what it takes to stop this, yeah, Mulaniy jumps in,

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We're going to move off Pete's personal life. So I

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wonder if that was disgusted in advance. Lunelle said, I

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just thought I would shoot my shot, you know, because

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people want to know what is the mistike. Pete said,

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I don't know. Lunell, like, you're super fun, You're a

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really good time. Pete seemed too embarrassed to answer the

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question of burrent Lyny mulaney jumps in, he has a

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real mystique. You have a real electricity to you. Mlaniey

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argued that Pete Davidson is a wonderful guy, probably to

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go to bed with. Lunell said, I wasn't tearing him down.

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I just want to know. I want to say right now,

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I don't want to sleep with you, I think, but

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I do want to go out. Pete said, Okay, that

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sounds fair. Maybe I will put eyes on that one now.

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I'm intrigued. An update from yesterday's lead story. Remember I

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tells you that the show was stopped at the Melbourne

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Comedy Fee Festival. Nothing funny here a man died during

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the show. The man was in the back of the theater.

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Other members of the crowd attempted to give him emergency

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care for about ten minutes before paramedics arrived. One audience

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member said it felt wrong to hear laughter from other

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folks in the crowd who were sitting closer to the

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stage and had no idea what was going on in

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the back of the venue of twenty nine hundred people.

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The audience member said people started leaving on their own

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accord by groups in the second act, particularly as CBR

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was going on, which you could see and ambulance was there.

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He could hear defibllerator sounds from across the room. Lighting

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was dark, though still lighting off to see that a

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lady and man were interchanging doing chess compressions.

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Wow.

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One attendee told the Age paramedics had to commence their

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care in the dark using flashlights because the show was

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still going on. It was the most disgraceful, disgusting thing

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I've ever witnessed. I don't think I was the only

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person wondering if we were in some sort of dystopian

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parallel universe where we prioritized the show must go on

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over human life. Others at the show said up to

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three comedians kept doing their five minute sets after the

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man became ill.

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One audience member said it was only after a few

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people were leaving got up and were loudly talking or

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arguing with a staff member for leaning over and shouting

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at the comedian on stage to stop the show. The

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paramedics were there for good fifteen to twenty minutes in

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the dark doing CPR before the show stopped. Someone from

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the dress circle yelled to stop the show. Another guy yelled,

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someone is dying. An audience member says lighting was dark.

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Though some comedians took to social media. Dave Hughes wrote,

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all performers thoughts are worthy, family affected to hear. Big

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Lick added, sad news but correctly handled all round, Well

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done everyone and thoughts with those involved. I was in there.

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I don't know what's going on there. I also don't

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know what's going on with Nicki Glazer. A couple weird

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headlines from thenews dot co dot uk that's an Australian website.

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The headline Gwyneth Paltrow exposes comedian Nicki Glazer for wanting

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to f her ex Ben Affleck, subheading Gwyneth has called

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out Nicki Glazer for wanting to hook up with Ben.

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I paraphrase that a little bit this happened on the

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Goop podcast on Tuesday. Glazier would apparently find Ben on

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a celebrity dating app? Are there celebrit already dating apps?

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I've never heard that before. As the story goes, when

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I used to be on RAYA or Aya, is this

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a thing? I'm sorry if I'm not up to date

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on celebrity dating apps, and you're like jud everybody knows Raya.

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Raya is a private membership AI Google AI is telling me.

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Raya is a private membership based social network application for

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iOS known for its exclusivity and focusing on connecting individuals

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and creative industries, celebrities, and high profile figures. It has

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a reputation for being harder to get into than the

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Harvard Business School. Really, hmmm, who knew about this? And

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was Nicky Glazer big enough no offense to get into

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the same thing with Ben Affleck five ten years ago?

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I mean maybe now, but really, how did she get

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in no offense? We're that famous until six months ago?

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Nikki?

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I digress again, Nicky had one. I used to be

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on ray A. Affleck would come across. Why is Ben

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Affleck on a dating app? He can't pull jicks? Really,

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I'm totally confused here, Adam my depth. Don't want to

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talk about I'm a loser, fifty five guy hosting a

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podcast his basement. This has nothing to do with me. Well,

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I used to be on Raya and Ben Affleck would

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come across. I would give him a very concentrated check

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mark yes, and like he never got back. Nicki also

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told Gwyneth about Andrew Garfield saying no to her on Raya,

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claiming I know for a fact, yet I've seen my profile.

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I wouldn't match with him if he was interested. Gwyneth

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said that would have been a good one. He's gorgeous

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now he regrets it. Then the conversation went to a

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twenty twenty two interview where Glazier had first mentioned her

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quote unquote kinky thing of having her boyfriend sleep with

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other women. Gwyneth asked her about that and whether her

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boyfriend had ever fooled around with other women. Nicki said

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that he had. Glazier then admitted it was a competition

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thing for her. She likes thinking that he could leave

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and that she has to step up her game to

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keep him. That brings us to Jimmy Fallon, where Nicki

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a zempic and said the shame is only from thin

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people who want you to stay fat. She said she's

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a fan of both ozempic and plastic surgery. As for

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plastic surgery, there's a stigma around getting worker investing in

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your beauty and doing all these procedures, and there's maybe

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a little sadness to it, but I'm also kind of like, well,

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it makes my life better. People treat you better when

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you're hotter. It's a sad fact of life. And everyone goes,

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that's so sad. What do you love the way you

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were born? It's like, well, why do you go to college?

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Why don't you love the brain you were born with?

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Why did you pay thousands of dollars to that institution.

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Sports Illustrated spoke to Jerry Seinfeld about the Mets. Yes

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Baseball season is back. S I mentioned some comedians known

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to like the Mets. Those include John Oliver, Sebastian Maniscalco, Brewer, Cybarell,

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Jimmy Kimmel, Kevin James, Hank Azaria, Chris Rock, plenty of

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pictures of Chris Rock and Yank It's just saying, John Stewart,

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Ray Romano, Bill Maher who used to be a part owner,

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and Jerry Seinfeld also Johnny Mack, known Mets fan. S

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I was curious, why so comedians are Mets fans. Jerry

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We like people that entertain you, and hopefully you go

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about their business as well. I became a Mets fan

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when I was just so entertained by the person and

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the color versus the Yankees, you know, orange and blue

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versus the depressing Navy. Jerry said, the Mets had a

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lot of personality last summer. I mean twenty twenty four.

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your branded for life. That was so much fun, partly

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because of how unexpected it was, especially after the way

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the season began. Oh my, we are awfully long today

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and a lot to get to, all right, So that

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was the A block. I'm going to quickly fly through

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the B block now and I'm going to cut some things.

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This weekend. I want to celebrate the life of Mitch Hedberg,

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who passed away twenty years ago this weekend on Tomorrow's show.

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Jeff Siegel is an Emmy Award winning filmmaker. He's the

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director of an upcoming documentary about Mitch Hedberg. So tomorrow

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is just Jeff and I talking about Mitch Hedburg. Sunday

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Friend of the show, Jason Zenneman from The New York

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news dropped after we were done. Today's show has a

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third segment if you're in the Facebook group and feel

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encouraged to join us. By the way, I forget. When

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I was teaching my class on Thursday, I saw somebody

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want to join the Facebook group, and I loved that.

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Whoever it was, I love you for writing this, wrote

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I am a pornbot that immediately got improved. I also

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appreciate anyone who tries to get past my bouncers who

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understands how to answer what is your quest? Anyway, if

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you're in the Facebook group, you've seen Dylan post things.

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I wanted to talk to somebody who had actually seen

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Hedburg live. I never saw Hedburg live, but Dylan had

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so In the third section of today's podcast, half an

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hour of Dylan and I talking about Hebburg and some

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other topics of comedy. As I mentioned earlier in the week,

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you know some stuff I've had to pull forward because

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I don't have the weekend to put things where they

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should go, and other things I'm just pushing to next week.

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So let me just fly through here with the stuff

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that can't wait. From TMZ. Comedian Mike Laser got heckled

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by a Trump supporter in the middle of his act.

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The heckler called Mike a Q quotes jew pig, and

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this whole thing is on video. Mike was telling a

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joke about sitting at a corner with his wheed pen.

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He turned his attention to one of the crowd members

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and asked the guy, how can I help you. The

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guy in the crowd said he wasn't going to listen

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to some jew pig Mike Lazer. The comedian clarifies the

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slur of the guy, admits it and keeps heckling. Mike

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asked him to leave. The guy says he's ordering a lyft,

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adding some more comments I don't want to repeat. Mike

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tells the guy to order his lyft outside. The guy responds,

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f you Jew. Then as the guy was leaving, he

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made a comment about supporting a political figure. This all

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happened at Lucky's Born Sioux Falls, South Dakota, a Sue

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Falls comedy group, apologized to Mike, saying the Heckler does

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not represent the comedy community in Sue Falls and was

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a random drunk guy who might not even be from here.

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This weekend in Rhode Island is the Lil Rody Laugh Riots.

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Some good names Kevin Hart, Leslie Jones as he'sin sorry,

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John O'Hurley and Patrick Warburton you know them from Seinfeld.

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Hannah Berner, Christa Stefano, Jonathan Vaness, Des Bishop and Ashley Gavin. Great. Great,

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great lineup guys. Oh wait, there's more. I missed the

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other paragraph. Josh Johnson, Melissa Vias, Senor Tone Bell, Sophie Buttle,

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Alec Flynn and Andy Woodhall. Wow. What a great festival.

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That is the Lil Rody Laugh Riot. That's your b block.

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Let me take one more break and then a full

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half hour with Dylan from the Facebook group talking Hedburg

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and other things comedy. We're now on to the port

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of the weekend where we're going to celebrate the life

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of Mitch Hedburg. I never got to see Mitch live,

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but Dylan from the Facebook group has, so I invited

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him on to talk a little bit comedy. So I

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was never able to actually see Mitch Hedburg. I think

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I might have met him early in the serious days.

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I don't actually remember, because it was one of those

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things where you just assumed the guy would be around forever.

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But I never actually saw him live. But you did,

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which is why I invited you on here today. So

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what was that like? How did you see him? Did

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you know who he was? What was the night like,

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I was familiar with him. I've always been a complete

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comedy geek. Just I watch everything. I would watch Comedy

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Central in the early days and all the short attention

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span theater, every single thing I could get my I

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could have a chance to watch.

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So I was familiar with him.

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I saw him under probably just about the worst circumstances

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you could see a comic, because you're in the football

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stadium with eighty thousand other people.

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Florida's homecoming weekend called Gator Grau, and they would bring

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in two or three very big name comedians, and for

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this one it was Mitch Edburgh, John Pinnett.

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Jim Brewer and and then the last year I was

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in Florida, it was Harlan Williams and Bill Cosby. They

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would have some pretty pretty crazy lineups. But I was

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a member of the media at the time, so I

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had VIP seats so I could see it pretty clearly.

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the sound would go to the upper deck of the stadium,

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the joke was told. There was like a reverberation back,

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so it would it definitely made the experience a stranger

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than typical comedy. Said, I think that's the only time

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I've ever seen a comedian in a football stadium.

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Heedburg destroyed. He was tremendous.

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The joke I remembered is an escalator can never break,

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it can only become stairs, which obviously I do it

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terribly in the retelling, but that was the one that

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had me giggling days later and repeating it. Here we

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are twenty five years later, and that's the one that

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So he was great.

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He was so different from everybody else that you see

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people compare him to Steven Wright, and then you see

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other people coming up who have a Hedburg vibe to him.

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But he was just such a one of a kind

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comic that you just generally don't see these days.

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I'm having trouble imagining him in an eighty thousand seed arena,

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just because of so much of his act was about

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pacing and vibe, and I'm imagining drunks yelling out and

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it's just not working. But you're saying he crushed.

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He crushed.

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As far as I was concerned, I was sitting close

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so I could actually absorb it the people in the back,

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and I sat in the back when Cosby was there,

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and it's different.

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I mean, he came up, did his thing.

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It wasn't like And it's funny because you listen to

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podcasts and people will talk about I know, Dank Harvey

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he was saying that it was the toughest atmosphere he

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ever played. It's just because it's so big, and like

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you said, people are screaming out random crap throughout the time,

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so it's it would be very easy to throw someone off.

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I remember Dial Hugley was thrown off considerably when he

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went up there. He seemed in a rush to get

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off as quickly as possible. But Panett and Hedberg were

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quite good in that particular setting.

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I remember Brewery talking about gator grawl, but at that

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time his closer was his ACDC bit, which is him

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singing ACDC with a band behind him. So you do

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that in an eighty thousand seed arena, Yeah, that's really

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gonna work well as opposed to just Mitch doing one

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liners and waiting for the laughs. Just what a tough

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room for him.

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in a club. I don't even know if he was

451
00:21:05.319 --> 00:21:07.920
doing theaters at the time that he died. I saw

452
00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:11.039
something recently on him where Chad Daniels was talking about

453
00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:14.000
opening for him early in his career. Daniels has a

454
00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:16.400
great story about one of the jokes that he used

455
00:21:16.720 --> 00:21:19.039
was something that Daniels had said to him in a diner,

456
00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:22.200
you know what I like mashed potatoes, and he goes,

457
00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:24.480
you didn't even a chance to guess, or something something

458
00:21:24.480 --> 00:21:27.319
along those lines, a joke that obviously Hedburg and Crush

459
00:21:27.440 --> 00:21:30.200
when told the way he would do the jokes. Yeah,

460
00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:33.000
I mean, I feel fortunate that I saw him. There's

461
00:21:33.079 --> 00:21:38.119
so many other greats that I either never saw live

462
00:21:38.519 --> 00:21:41.000
or I only saw them in situations like the Seller

463
00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:45.640
where they're doing fifteen minutes of practice or just working

464
00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:49.839
stuff out, because I saw Patrice and Giraldo that way,

465
00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:52.599
but I never saw them in a real setting where

466
00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:54.839
they're actually doing an hour or anything like that. So

467
00:21:54.839 --> 00:21:56.680
I feel fortunate that I was able to see Heberg

468
00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:58.359
at all, but I would have done anything to have

469
00:21:58.359 --> 00:21:59.440
been able to see him in a club.

470
00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:00.240
Yeah.

471
00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:02.519
I've been thinking about him a lot lately, especially in

472
00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:04.640
the adjacent say it. I'm trying to avoid the word

473
00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:08.000
shadow of Stephen Wright, and I think as I compare

474
00:22:08.039 --> 00:22:13.440
the two, and clearly there are similarities. Steven is presenting

475
00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:16.640
to the audience, whereas I feel Mitch was in it

476
00:22:16.759 --> 00:22:19.799
with the audience and we're all laughing at these jokes together,

477
00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:22.200
where Steven is just going, here's a thought, you laugh, now,

478
00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:24.799
here's a thought you laugh. Now, Mitch is like riding

479
00:22:24.839 --> 00:22:26.759
the surfboard and they'll do a bust a joke and

480
00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:28.720
get halfway through and be like, ah, that didn't work,

481
00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:30.440
and it's just it's funny.

482
00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:33.480
As weird as Heedburgh was. I think people could relate

483
00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:34.920
to him a lot more than they could relate to

484
00:22:34.960 --> 00:22:36.319
Stephen Wright. And I love Stephen Wright.

485
00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:37.200
I think he's a genius.

486
00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:41.519
But Heedberg reminds people of somebody they know just where

487
00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:44.200
you know, the stone guy who lived in your dorm

488
00:22:44.359 --> 00:22:45.960
or something along those lines.

489
00:22:46.279 --> 00:22:48.279
Obviously not as funny as Hedberg was.

490
00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:50.799
But I think people could relate to him a little

491
00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:53.200
better than some of the others who he's compared to.

492
00:22:54.279 --> 00:22:57.960
And I do wonder twenty years on what would Mitch

493
00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:01.359
Hedberg in twenty twenty five be. Is he still doing

494
00:23:01.400 --> 00:23:04.119
the stoner act one liners? Is he twenty years older

495
00:23:04.119 --> 00:23:08.000
and doing longer chunks? Like the stylized comedians tend to

496
00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:11.000
be shooting stars and the brick wall comedians are the

497
00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:13.279
ones that tend to have the longer careers. I just

498
00:23:13.359 --> 00:23:15.359
wonder if he might have been Oh yeah, that guy

499
00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:16.200
from ten years ago.

500
00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:18.599
Now, when was the last time Stephen Wright did anything?

501
00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:22.119
It's and again I'm not saying he's not still capable,

502
00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:25.599
but I've honestly never if he's touring. I've missed it

503
00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:27.400
over the last twenty years because I would see him

504
00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:30.000
in a heartbeat if he came anywhere anywhere close to

505
00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:33.039
where I live. But I'll hear him on He'll show

506
00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:35.759
up on certain podcasts. I think he's done Greg Fitzimmons'

507
00:23:35.839 --> 00:23:37.880
podcast a couple times, and there are a few other

508
00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:40.519
guys who he I think he did Jay Moore's podcast

509
00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:43.960
several years ago, but you generally don't hear much from

510
00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:46.480
the guy at all. Like you said, it's the twenty

511
00:23:46.559 --> 00:23:49.519
years later, it's hard to imagine he would have been able.

512
00:23:49.319 --> 00:23:50.920
To sustain that for that period of time.

513
00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:53.079
But I wish we would have had the chance to

514
00:23:53.079 --> 00:23:56.640
find out, just because you hate to see somebody be

515
00:23:56.720 --> 00:23:58.880
taken away from us who is very much in his

516
00:23:58.920 --> 00:23:59.759
prime at the time.

517
00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:03.519
So on Steven, I've been hosting the weekly comedy thing

518
00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:05.559
on Live one for ten years now. Somewhere in that

519
00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:08.920
ten year run he did release a second album. He

520
00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:12.079
has two, and I did see him in person. It's

521
00:24:12.200 --> 00:24:15.000
got to be twenty years ago now, maybe fifteen. And

522
00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:18.720
as much as I love Stephen Wright, his pacing, my

523
00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:21.599
brain was getting numb after an hour, like I needed

524
00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:24.039
the show to end. I couldn't take it anymore. I

525
00:24:24.079 --> 00:24:27.359
think Steven Wright's material works better in eight minute doses

526
00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:30.880
than an hour. As for Mitch, part of what we

527
00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:33.400
didn't get to see was he was very much in

528
00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:38.119
ascendency and we were starting to get into rock star Mitch,

529
00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:42.000
meaning that crowds were just rabbit about him. And Lynn

530
00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:44.359
Shawcroft had talked to me about how he had to

531
00:24:44.359 --> 00:24:45.839
speed up his act at the end and it was

532
00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:48.920
throwing off the timing. So it'd be curious to see

533
00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:51.440
what peak Mitch would have been like and how the

534
00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:53.759
act would have morphed during that period.

535
00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:57.039
It's like, obviously they're not similar comics, but the guys

536
00:24:57.039 --> 00:24:59.880
who rely on the quick, one liner, quick hits kind

537
00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:03.160
jessel Nick, And obviously I know jessel Nick is not

538
00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:05.799
a similar comic to Stephen Wright or Hedbird, but it's

539
00:25:05.920 --> 00:25:10.880
kind of the line, punchline, quick hit stuff that's a

540
00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:14.039
lot harder to sustain than the storytelling that I think

541
00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:17.240
Kreischer and Sigura and so many of the others are

542
00:25:17.240 --> 00:25:20.599
doing these days. I saw Shane Gillis a couple weeks ago,

543
00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:25.000
and his was very story based. I would think, while

544
00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:27.839
it's not unthinkable to imagine that somebody would be able

545
00:25:27.880 --> 00:25:30.240
to do that for an additional twenty years. I think

546
00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:32.640
it would be a lot harder than just saying, oh, hey,

547
00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:36.559
this happened to me last year, and here's the comic

548
00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:37.200
version of it.

549
00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:41.119
I'm doing the mental exercise of Mitch having to feed

550
00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:44.599
the modern social media beast. And I could argue it

551
00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:47.319
either way. On the one hand, I don't think of

552
00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:49.880
him as a crowd work comedian. But on the other hand,

553
00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:52.640
if you've got the crowd behind you, he could just

554
00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:54.680
and I'm going to just do an innocent slam of

555
00:25:54.759 --> 00:25:56.640
you here. He could be like, of course, because you're

556
00:25:56.680 --> 00:25:59.119
wearing a baseball cap, and if the crowd's behind you,

557
00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:01.720
as stupid as my baseball cap line is, if the

558
00:26:01.759 --> 00:26:03.920
crowds line you and that gets a laugh, the room

559
00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:06.960
is hey yeah baseball cap guy. Yeah, like we got him. Good.

560
00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:07.519
Yeah.

561
00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:09.720
There are people like that who, like you see the

562
00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:11.559
ones who do the crowd work really well. I don't

563
00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:15.480
see Hegberg obviously getting to the level where he is,

564
00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:17.920
because guys aren't doing crowd work in theaters and you

565
00:26:17.960 --> 00:26:19.759
would like to at least think that he's not doing

566
00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:22.079
the tiny clubs and if it can still come up

567
00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:24.200
with the one liners that he did from twenty years ago,

568
00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:26.240
then he might have been able to sustain it. But yeah,

569
00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:28.440
it would be really interesting to have somebody who was

570
00:26:28.559 --> 00:26:31.240
like that to have the longevity that only the top

571
00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:33.880
guys really truly do, at least from a standpoint of

572
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:36.759
not going from stadiums to theaters, to arenas to.

573
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:39.319
The chuckle hut. Yeah, it would have been interesting to

574
00:26:39.319 --> 00:26:40.400
see what would have happened with that.

575
00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:42.680
Well, I've got you. Let's talk about some other things.

576
00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:44.720
You're one of the moderators of the Facebook group, which

577
00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:46.960
is Daily Comedy News podcast group. Thank you for keeping

578
00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:51.079
the porn bots away and for starting conversations regularly. I

579
00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:54.279
appreciate that at this point you absolutely watch more comedy

580
00:26:54.279 --> 00:26:57.680
specials than I do. There was a point, I think

581
00:26:57.680 --> 00:26:59.880
it was last week or the week before, where some

582
00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:02.759
thing relatively major came out and it was like nine am,

583
00:27:02.839 --> 00:27:05.039
and you hadn't commented on it yet, and I was like,

584
00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:07.440
I hope he's okay. Usually he would have watched this, but.

585
00:27:08.440 --> 00:27:10.960
I was visiting my kid in college two weeks ago,

586
00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:13.720
so I didn't see Bill Burr until like a week

587
00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:16.119
after it came out. For me, I've already Chelsea Handler

588
00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:18.160
came out at two am. This morning and I've already

589
00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:21.559
watched it. I that's my background where it's like I'm working,

590
00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:22.160
I have it on.

591
00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:26.680
I love specials, even bad ones. I'll trudge through.

592
00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:29.640
I do listen at one and a half time speed

593
00:27:29.920 --> 00:27:32.880
to be able to do something in forty five minutes.

594
00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:33.440
Rather than an hour.

595
00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:36.960
I know you have the issue of getting through. Sometimes

596
00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:38.440
it's like you're ten minutes in and be like, okay,

597
00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:40.680
I feel nothing. I felt the same way you did

598
00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:43.319
about the Burr special, where twenty minutes in I was like,

599
00:27:43.359 --> 00:27:46.519
this sucks, and then after watching the whole thing, I

600
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:49.319
was like, it wasn't horrific, but it was clearly as

601
00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:51.720
probably as worst special as he's put out. Granted that's

602
00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:56.079
a high bar, but yet I've always been thankfully. My

603
00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:58.359
wife is a as a trooper. I drag her to

604
00:27:58.440 --> 00:28:02.000
comedy shows constantly, where sometimes it's gonna be like, all right,

605
00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:03.359
you're going to this one, and then there are a

606
00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:06.359
couple other words, Yeah, this one's a little probably dirtier

607
00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:07.559
than you would care for.

608
00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:09.400
But she's a trooper with that.

609
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:12.279
We don't get great shows around here, but we have

610
00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:15.720
been pretty lucky up in Green Bay, getting Gatsy and

611
00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:19.799
Sebastian and Mark Norman is coming here in a couple months,

612
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:22.519
and we've seen Gillis twice in the last year. We've

613
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:24.839
been pretty lucky as far as that goes. But yeah,

614
00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:27.279
I love the Facebook group. I love the site, and

615
00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:29.920
it feels the need that I hadn't found elsewhere. I

616
00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:33.039
had been looking for something where they're constant updates. I

617
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:35.960
listened to the podcast first thing every morning, so it's

618
00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:38.079
the perfect way to start today. So I really appreciate

619
00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:38.480
what you do.

620
00:28:39.079 --> 00:28:41.039
Oh thanks so much. A couple things you mentioned made

621
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:43.920
me think of Jason Zinneman and getting to know Jason

622
00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:45.319
from The New York Times a little bit. Has it

623
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:48.759
really helped me in some ways because one a lot

624
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:50.359
of the issues where we talked about where I'll get

625
00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:52.599
ten minutes in with special and bail, that's on me,

626
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:56.079
that's not on the performer. As I analyze this, I

627
00:28:56.119 --> 00:29:00.599
can understand comedians can go up and crush for a crowd.

628
00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:03.559
But I'm admittedly a comedy snob because I've spent so

629
00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:05.880
much time listening to so much of it, and especially

630
00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:09.079
the years programming the radio stations, you know, listening to

631
00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:12.680
everybody's a material and the version of their a material

632
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:15.480
that they chose to release on a comedy album. It

633
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:17.680
fried my brains. So now if I get ten to

634
00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:20.480
eleven minutes into something and I'm not feeling it, there's

635
00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:23.039
ten trillion things to do. When I grew up reasons

636
00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:25.039
I love baseball, there were five channels and the Mets

637
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:27.119
were on every night, So I watch the Mets every night.

638
00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:30.440
Now I've got infinite media. If I get bored, there's

639
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:32.559
eight hundred hours of Star Trek I can watch. So

640
00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:34.640
if your comedy special is not crushing it, I'm just

641
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:37.880
out and do I profile specials. Of course I do.

642
00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:41.079
There's not enough times talking to Jason and hearing him

643
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:43.599
having also what I call Emperor of Rome syndrome, where

644
00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:45.200
you just sit there and go, oh that's very funny,

645
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:47.960
great callback, Yes that is hilarious. Oh what a whitecrafted bit,

646
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:51.400
but not laughing. That has been helpful to me. And

647
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:54.240
then also for imposter syndrome. I was listening to Marin

648
00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:57.400
last night, both the Nick Fune and the it was

649
00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:00.519
the other one whatever, and they're all name dropping comedians

650
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:02.119
and their clubs and talking about when they're hanging out

651
00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:04.240
in Malaney twenty years ago and I'm like a fraud.

652
00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:06.599
But then Jason reminds me I'm not a comedian. I'm

653
00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:08.440
not trying to be a comedian. I'm just like a fan,

654
00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:10.240
just like you are. I just chose to pick up

655
00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:12.240
the microphone and start talking about it. Chris Fleming, that

656
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:15.000
was the other one. And it's more me than the performers.

657
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:16.920
The performers are getting up, they've sold tickets, they have

658
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:19.279
to crush here. But when I'm watching a Netflix special,

659
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:21.400
I could just really quickly be like, what else is

660
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:21.839
there to do?

661
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:23.559
It's one of those where it's yeah, and I think

662
00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:24.960
I threw this out there in the group. It was like,

663
00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:28.039
what was the lastly truly great special? And I'm talking,

664
00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:30.759
you know, like because when people like, what are the

665
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:31.880
best ones of all time?

666
00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:34.119
And I'm like, there are a couple of Carlins that

667
00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:34.759
I could list.

668
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:39.079
Delirious obviously some I'm a prior's prior probably has three

669
00:30:39.160 --> 00:30:43.480
that Chappelle's killing them. Softly is when people are saying, oh,

670
00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:45.279
that Chappelle's best special of any of the ones that

671
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:46.839
have come out in the last five years, and you're

672
00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:48.799
not even close just where So.

673
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:51.079
It's like I feel very much like a snob as well.

674
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:53.720
When the stuff is put up there, it's I haven't

675
00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:56.319
seen anything that's on the line of bigger and blacker

676
00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:59.079
or killing them softly or what am I doing in

677
00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:02.599
New Jersey or a here and now, anything along those lines.

678
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:05.079
The one that I remember where I was like texting

679
00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:08.000
my friends saying, you have to see this was gillis

680
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:08.880
Is Live in Austin.

681
00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:12.039
Just because that one absolutely destroyed me. I was laughing

682
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:12.519
so hard.

683
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:14.839
And even then, do I put that on the level

684
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:17.759
of Bigger and Blacker or Chappelle's best?

685
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:19.079
No? Absolutely not.

686
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:21.440
As much as I loved Ronnie Chang last year, as

687
00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:24.119
much as I enjoyed I know you didn't like Schultz

688
00:31:24.119 --> 00:31:26.480
as much as I did. Even like the Ari Shafir

689
00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:29.039
won from this year. I thoroughly enjoyed roy Wood.

690
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:32.640
Same thing. Are they all time greats? No, they're not.

691
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:34.839
They're good. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

692
00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:37.640
But yeah, I want to see something that blows me away,

693
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:39.160
and I haven't seen anything like that.

694
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:41.599
Yeah, I think only four or five years.

695
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:43.960
I think we're all chasing the drug that is the

696
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:47.519
laugh that like really good belly laughed chuckle. And I've

697
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:49.160
talked about this on the show and in the group,

698
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:51.559
and I'm not getting any pushback. I think people are

699
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:54.680
nodding an agreement that right now we're getting the same

700
00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:57.000
face as doing the same specials. So yeah, we know

701
00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:58.640
what Bil Burr is gonna do. We know what Bert

702
00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:00.640
Krascher and I like Burt's special. We know what Birt's

703
00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:03.119
gonna do if Sigora drops, we know what Sigora is

704
00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:06.039
going to do. When you mentioned the last great special,

705
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:09.720
what came to my mind was Natalie Palomides Nate, which

706
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:12.920
was just different and out there. And I tend to

707
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:14.799
like the alty stuff a little bit, but that one

708
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:16.920
was one where I watched it I was like, oh wow,

709
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:19.079
that was different, and I evangelized for it.

710
00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:21.319
I haven't even seen that one. I'm gonna have to

711
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:22.279
check that out right away.

712
00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:24.799
I fully respect your opinion on it, and yeah, I

713
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:27.079
love ones that are interesting because it's all go searching

714
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:30.359
for stuff where it's okay, this isn't I'm not the

715
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:32.839
target audience here, but I still want to see Hannah

716
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:36.039
Einbinder's One woman Show would have been one of my

717
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:37.680
favorite things that I saw last year. I would have

718
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:40.119
told you were crazy, but that was one that I

719
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:42.599
couldn't get out of my head after watching it. So

720
00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:45.480
it's I'll go watch stuff even intentionally be like, all right,

721
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:48.880
I'm probably gonna hate this, but I don't like criticizing

722
00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:52.559
something unless I've seen it where it's like uh oh.

723
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:56.160
Earlier this year I watched that was at Chelsea. There

724
00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:58.440
was some redneck special. It's the one I have Lois rated.

725
00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:01.359
I actually gave it an f was like Pontoon something.

726
00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:03.319
It was like, okay, it was just too painful for

727
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:06.839
anybody to sit through. And this Stefano, who I generally like,

728
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:10.079
his special was horrific. I mean that thing that was

729
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:13.279
an embarrassment. Did you ever watch Gringo Poppy by Brendan

730
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:15.240
shab and they bring it up on Rogan or Tim

731
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:17.640
Dillon brings it up a lot on his podcast. Is

732
00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:21.079
probably like one of the worst comedy specials actually put

733
00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:23.079
out on a I think it was a show.

734
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:24.599
I don't know if a Showtime or.

735
00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:27.359
Amazon Prime or something like that, but it's one of

736
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:29.599
those ones you watch and you're just like Hugh and

737
00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:33.200
I think the Stefano's was probably worse. Yeah, that's when

738
00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:35.279
you're I can't even believe Hulu put this out, but

739
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:36.960
occasionally you see stuff like that.

740
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:40.119
So what's your top specials of the year so far?

741
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:43.920
I have schult Swan roy Wood, I think I have second,

742
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:48.240
Ari Shaffir third, and then I have Kelsey Cook fourth

743
00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:51.920
and Bert fifth. I was thrilled that you liked the

744
00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:55.160
Burt one because I'm biased. I sat next to Bert

745
00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:57.359
on an airplane like twenty years ago when he was

746
00:33:57.400 --> 00:33:59.680
early in his career, and we talked like we were

747
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:02.319
best for three hours, and so I always feel like

748
00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:05.599
I'm biased. But I'm never gonna sit here and say, oh,

749
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:08.519
He's the greatest comic of all time. But he brings

750
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:10.880
out the giggle factor with me, which is not easy

751
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:13.719
to do and just where you're like okay, and I

752
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:16.519
don't consider him like the lowest common denominator comic, but

753
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:18.639
I will laugh at stuff and I'm like, oh mad,

754
00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:19.760
I can't believe I'm laughing at this.

755
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:21.519
He just does it for me, and I think it's

756
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:24.480
very genuine with him, and I love the stories about it.

757
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:27.920
My kids are similar ages to his kids, so I

758
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:29.360
can relate to a little bit of that. Even though

759
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:32.400
he has daughters, I have sons. But I just genuinely

760
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:35.639
like the guy. I was thrilled that his latest special

761
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:38.159
is getting I think people are basically saying it's probably

762
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:39.880
his best special, which I think it probably is.

763
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:42.840
Yeah, I've just found it fun now. It definitely spoke

764
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:46.159
to me also, a fifty something married dad, So I

765
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:49.400
have that connectivity there, and I think, again the Emperor

766
00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:51.639
of Rome, I can break down comedy and I can

767
00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:56.400
see the matrix and what Burke did there was thing

768
00:34:56.440 --> 00:35:00.199
that actually happened, exaggerated for effect it step two you

769
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:02.000
really ramp it up and go over the top, and

770
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:04.480
then maybe the tag is something that didn't actually happen.

771
00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:07.400
But the basic premise there, you know, as a married

772
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:10.400
man in the fifties, got what he was talking about,

773
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:12.920
even if he told an exaggerated version of it, right,

774
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:15.719
it was colorful, even if some of the details weren't real.

775
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:18.360
The basic premise spoke to me. And I think that's

776
00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:20.519
why I connected with that special and found it very,

777
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:21.239
very entertaining.

778
00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:24.320
I find him genuine and like you said, obviously I'm

779
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:25.559
not going to sit here and say, Okay, this.

780
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:27.519
Is exactly how it happened. I'm not that naive.

781
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:30.400
But there are other ones where you watch and you're like, Okay,

782
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:32.079
there's no way in how that happened.

783
00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:34.280
And with Bert, I.

784
00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:36.960
Have no problem with something being exaggerated for comic effect.

785
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:39.480
I have no problem with people making up stories. But

786
00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:43.199
I know there's that fine line the has simonaj line.

787
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:46.440
And I like Hassan, but I thought the criticism of

788
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:48.800
him was over the top a few years ago. But

789
00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:51.440
at the same time, I don't know, I get it

790
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:53.599
on some level, But yeah, I love Bert. I took

791
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:55.519
my whole family to see him a couple of years

792
00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:58.159
ago and they all walked out of there. That was

793
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:01.800
a fun show. Where again, nobody's gonna say he's the

794
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:04.559
greatest comic of our era, but that was a fun,

795
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:05.320
fun show.

796
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:07.679
So sometimes that's all you can realistically hope for.

797
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:10.119
I'll ask you one more than I'll let you go.

798
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:12.280
If I had a golden ticket, I can get you

799
00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:15.559
a seventh throw center for any living comedian. Who do

800
00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:16.280
you want to go see?

801
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:17.679
Mullany? No question?

802
00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:23.119
Really, Yeah, I've seen most of them, even at granted

803
00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:26.559
I only saw at the Cellar. Actually I've never seen Rock,

804
00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:29.159
but I would rather see Malani right now than Rock.

805
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:30.760
Trying to think of the other big ones who I

806
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:31.400
haven't seen.

807
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:36.440
I saw Chappelle when he was working out, killing him softly,

808
00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:39.960
so I've not seen him recently. I've seen Sigura, I've

809
00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:44.079
seen Burt multiple times. I've seen Gillis multiple times. Mulaney

810
00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:48.880
was here three years ago, like right after COVID, and

811
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:51.840
I don't there was a reason why we couldn't go.

812
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:55.519
But I've been kicking myself since then, especially since he's

813
00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:57.760
only blown up. This is the one that he was

814
00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:00.000
like straight out of rehab, and I loved his last special,

815
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:04.400
especially like when he I've not seen his TV show yet.

816
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:07.559
I watched almost other than sports, I watch nothing live.

817
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:10.000
I'll go back and watch. I've heard it's not very good.

818
00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:11.760
I don't know if that was just from listening to

819
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:16.239
your podcast. Yeah, I know other people who are huge

820
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:18.519
Mulleney fans who are like, just doesn't do it for me.

821
00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:20.840
I think I would like to see him in a

822
00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:24.119
regular late night structure. I would love to see him

823
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:28.360
take over for Kimmel retires or any of these guys

824
00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:30.280
walk away. Like to see him even if it's in

825
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:31.639
a standard network format.

826
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:32.719
I think he could play to that.

827
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:36.519
But it honestly blows my mind that, in my opinion,

828
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:39.800
the best current touring comic couldn't even get on air

829
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:42.679
it on SML during his time there, because he was

830
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:44.599
by far the best writer they had. Yeah, he's the

831
00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:46.880
one who I would do anything to see at this point,

832
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:50.400
because not so much that there aren't others that are great.

833
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:55.159
But I've seen Seinfeld, I've seen Burr, I've seen Jim Jefferies,

834
00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:56.639
I've seen Jim Norton.

835
00:37:56.719 --> 00:37:58.519
All of the ones who.

836
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:01.000
I'm not saying are currently great have been great at

837
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:04.039
some point. And Mulanie's the one who I've not seen.

838
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:08.119
You're smart about Mulaney. In my career, thirty years in

839
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:11.719
a media now thirty five maybe something like that. When

840
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:14.239
in doubt, you put a format on something, when something's

841
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:16.360
not working, you put a structure on it. You put

842
00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:19.119
a gimmick, you go, okay, we're going to do five

843
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:21.920
questions with Dylan and you just that way. There's a

844
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:25.079
structure to it. If you analyze even my Dopey show,

845
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:27.000
there's a structure to it. I usually put the eight

846
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:29.079
comedians in the front and as we get back towards

847
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:31.000
the end, Now I'm talking about something happened at a

848
00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:33.719
Mumbai comedy club. That's not going to lead. There's a

849
00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:36.000
structure to it, and I think you're right that if

850
00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:40.039
Mulany were actually put in a box, it would be stronger.

851
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:43.639
I think they've leaned a little too much into the chaos.

852
00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:46.480
You've heard me talk with Mike Chisen about Letterman that

853
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:50.199
as uncontrolled as it seemed, it was controlled, and David

854
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:53.679
didn't like surprises. He just presented it as chaos. I

855
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:56.880
think what we're seeing with Mulaney, especially in those caller segments,

856
00:38:56.920 --> 00:39:00.159
which absolutely have to go, it's actually chaos and not

857
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:01.480
working well.

858
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:04.519
You don't want a radio show type thing. It's television.

859
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:07.119
You're watching it. Even as someone who listened to Stern

860
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:09.440
for twenty five years, as soon as you would go

861
00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:10.719
to the phones, I'd be like.

862
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:11.519
All right, what else is on?

863
00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:13.960
Just where I don't need to have some idiot call

864
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:16.719
up and ask Artie why he's so fat or something

865
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:17.000
like that.

866
00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:18.480
But yeah, seeing.

867
00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:20.199
Him in Okay, you're gonna come out, you're gonna do

868
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:23.320
a monologue, You're gonna do this. And I wonder if

869
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:26.760
Mulaney would find that to be too boring. But it

870
00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:29.760
worked at the Daily Show, It worked at every place.

871
00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:32.199
That's done it, and he's a better comic than any

872
00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:34.599
of the ones who are doing late night right now,

873
00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:37.440
and I like quite a few of them, but there's

874
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:39.440
nobody out there now who.

875
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:42.360
I feel like I need to watch every night.

876
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:43.960
I do make a point of listening to the podcast

877
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:46.320
version of The Daily Show, especially when Stewart's doing it

878
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:49.079
on Monday night, because I do still think he's probably

879
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:50.159
the best out.

880
00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:51.920
There now that Conan's not doing it anymore.

881
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:54.079
Kimmel lost me a couple of years ago, and I

882
00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:57.840
was the biggest Kimmel fan for ages and it's not

883
00:39:57.880 --> 00:39:58.599
a politics thing.

884
00:39:58.760 --> 00:39:59.519
I could really.

885
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:02.360
Cares to any of these people's support, but it's just

886
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:06.360
not as funny anymore. And like Seth Meyers, his Corrections

887
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:09.239
podcast is my favorite thing that he does. It just

888
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:12.079
absolutely kills me. I listen to that every week. That's fantastic.

889
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:13.800
But yeah, I would love to see what Melanie could

890
00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:15.840
do in a Kimmel type format.

891
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:18.800
He nailed it with Howard, even Pete Howard, there was

892
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:21.119
a structure. Six o'clock hour was the Hey, what everybody

893
00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:24.199
do last night? Just yes and maybe talk about office politics.

894
00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:27.440
Seven o'clock get the extended family in here, make fun

895
00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:29.760
of the interns, make fun of the boss. Eight o'clock

896
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:31.480
was the guest. Nine o'clock was the news. There was

897
00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:33.000
a format, same thing every day.

898
00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:35.400
Yeah, and it was yeah.

899
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:37.400
I mean it was funny because I grew up in California.

900
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:39.599
One of my high school friends, his brother was going

901
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:44.079
to school in NYU, and he would mail back audio.

902
00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:47.000
Cassettes of Stern each week. You got to hear this

903
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:48.039
guy and my friends.

904
00:40:48.039 --> 00:40:49.599
That was funny, and I'm like, yeah, give me the tape.

905
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:51.559
So he'd give me the tape. I had my dual

906
00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:54.039
cassette recorder. I would record my own copy and I

907
00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:56.119
would listen to it over and over again until the

908
00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:58.119
next tape came. I was hooked on that until the

909
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:01.039
show started to suck. I listened to Anthony a lot.

910
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:03.000
I never really got into some of the other stuff.

911
00:41:03.079 --> 00:41:06.199
But yet, like Opie and Anthony, I thought showcased comics

912
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:09.360
better than Stern ever did. Sure, and there really weren't

913
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:13.039
that many comics that or I should say big comics

914
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:15.400
that were showcased or became big because they.

915
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:15.840
Were on Stern.

916
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:19.119
I know Dapala was on a lot and Kennison was

917
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:21.840
on a lot early on, but I don't think it's

918
00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:24.519
accurate to say that they became famous from being on Stern.

919
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:27.800
While there's a long list of comics that you could say,

920
00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:31.480
but they went next level because of going on Opie

921
00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:33.400
and Anthony the same way a lot of these comics

922
00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:35.280
have gone to the next level by going on Rogan

923
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:37.679
these days where where I mean.

924
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:39.880
Like Ari was the one who I always thought he'll

925
00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:42.639
never graduate to theaters because he's too controversial.

926
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:45.320
Even he's gotten to that level. You see where Gillis was.

927
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:47.599
Two years ago and where he is now, and I

928
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:50.760
think a lot of that is due to one, he's fantastic.

929
00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:54.760
Two going on Rogan almost once a month definitely helps him.

930
00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:57.280
Doing the protect our Parks has shot him to the

931
00:41:57.280 --> 00:41:57.840
next level.

932
00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:01.159
Mark Norman, who is pretty dirty for to go to

933
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:03.679
the theater level, I'm seeing him in the theater in

934
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:05.840
two months. I think he's a genius too. It just

935
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:08.079
absolutely destroys me. I think he's another one who I

936
00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:09.960
think is one of the best working. Simmarill is another

937
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:11.559
one who I have not seen who I would really

938
00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:13.519
love to see but haven't.

939
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:14.079
Had a chance yet.

940
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:16.400
If he comes to Wisconsin, he only goes to Milwaukee.

941
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:17.800
If he came up here, I would go see him

942
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:18.360
in a heartbeat.

943
00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:20.400
I think all the guys you mentioned we're just seeing

944
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:24.440
the pushback, not even about Cancel culture PC culture. I

945
00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:27.719
just think everybody has taken a step back towards.

946
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:28.000
You know what.

947
00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:29.960
We're all friends, and we make fun of each other.

948
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:31.559
And if you and I hung out every day, I've

949
00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:34.000
got quirks, You've got your quirks with bunch each other's

950
00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:36.079
chops about it. That's what's friends do. And I think

951
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.760
that's coming across in a lot of the comedians you

952
00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:40.719
just mentioned that it's dude, we're just out having a

953
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:43.719
good time. Don't analyze every sentence that said. And sometimes

954
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:45.239
a joke is just a joke.

955
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:47.119
Yeah, it's really unfortunate that.

956
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:49.800
It's one thing when somebody comes out and says something

957
00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:51.920
really stupid and then they apologize for it a day

958
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:54.159
later or something like that. It's another thing when you're

959
00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:57.280
pulling stuff from twenty thirty years ago and saying, oh

960
00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:00.960
my god, Jimmy Kimmel did blackface, but Jimmy Fallon did. Okay,

961
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:03.119
if you want to say, hey, I regret doing this

962
00:43:03.159 --> 00:43:06.480
twenty years ago, fine, I get it. But even some

963
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:09.639
of the comics who consider themselves woke these days. And

964
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:11.559
I'm not saying I don't mean this as like a knock,

965
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:14.760
but Sarah Silverman or pat Oswalter, some of these people,

966
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:16.480
they're like, yeah, if you listen to my stuff from

967
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:19.639
twenty twenty five years ago, I use all the words

968
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:21.239
that we're not allowed to say anymore.

969
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:23.360
It's like everything changes.

970
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:25.599
But I think we're seeing less and less of that

971
00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:28.440
considering the show I just saw where it was because

972
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:31.719
I saw Gillis when I was in Colorado and Big

973
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:32.280
Jay was there.

974
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:34.800
Although Big Jay, who I generally loved, was horrible. He

975
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:38.320
was just clearly up there basically like sleepwalking through it.

976
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:40.920
But Dan Soder was tremendous and the other guy, and

977
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:43.400
they were talking about cancel culture where they're saying, this

978
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:45.800
word's coming back, this word we probably won't hear again.

979
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:47.400
You can imagine which one that one was.

980
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:50.679
But you're basically saying this word's coming back, this word's

981
00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:53.760
coming back, and it's yeah, it's like just because of

982
00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:55.599
the way it's And again I'm not saying it's okay

983
00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:57.639
to use. I try to avoid using the same words

984
00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:01.639
in my when my daily life obviously, but I don't

985
00:44:01.639 --> 00:44:03.840
cancel culture on any level because it's Look, if.

986
00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:06.000
You don't think something's funny, don't watch it. The same

987
00:44:06.039 --> 00:44:08.199
thing that is the same criticism with Stern.

988
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:10.599
Hey, if you don't, if you're offended by what he says,

989
00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:13.719
change the channel. I changed the channel on Stern because

990
00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:14.679
I thought I didn't like.

991
00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:15.599
The direction he was going.

992
00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:17.360
I'm not going to sit here and say should be

993
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:19.480
taken off the air, because if he still has an audience,

994
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:22.159
then he should be allowed to address that audience.

995
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.519
Yeah, I've written on my substack about it. I'm not

996
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:27.039
going to sit here and say that I didn't laugh

997
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:28.880
at a lot of things Stern did in the nineties

998
00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:32.159
that Stern himself has distanced himself from guilty is charged.

999
00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:33.719
Laughed at the most a different time.

1000
00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:35.719
That's the thing that I hate that he has two

1001
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:37.880
channels that are fully dedicated to his stuff, and all

1002
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:40.159
of his best stuff is gone. He doesn't even play

1003
00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:43.280
the nine to eleven show anymore, which blows my mind

1004
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:47.239
because that was something that I felt so connected to

1005
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:50.199
because like on the day that happened, I sat in

1006
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:52.639
my car and listened to it because everybody else went

1007
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:55.079
the news and Stern stayed on the air, and I

1008
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:57.800
just sat there and listened to it NonStop, and then

1009
00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:00.159
I listened to it again that night when they replayed it,

1010
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:01.880
and it was so brilliant.

1011
00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:04.719
And he's even distancing himself from that.

1012
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:07.960
So I find that to be sad, because as somebody

1013
00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:10.920
who loved him for so long, and again, I don't

1014
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:13.480
expect the sixty five year old to do bout bongo fiesta.

1015
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:17.440
Like I understand people evolving, When people who had been

1016
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:20.760
guests on his show for twenty years, he just randomly

1017
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:22.880
just basically shuts the door on them, We're not having

1018
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:25.159
them anymore. I thought it was very sad that Gilbert

1019
00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:28.000
wasn't on during his final days. The whole thing with

1020
00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:31.559
Arty was basically what closed my door on Stern, just

1021
00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:34.599
like I absolutely loved Artie and thought he brought the

1022
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:37.599
show to another level, but so many of these comics

1023
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:39.760
and people who he had on.

1024
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:42.960
That he just basically ditched. That never sat well with me.

1025
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:45.760
Poor I already worked with him a few times. Great

1026
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:48.920
guy in real life. But I remember we were at

1027
00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:52.360
one of the comedy festivals and I'm going back a bit,

1028
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:55.920
maybe it was the Vegas one, and I said to Mark,

1029
00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:58.679
my serious host while watching Already Live, Igo, if we

1030
00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:00.800
wake up tomorrow and he's dead, not going to be shocked.

1031
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:03.960
He was just out of control. He's got demon's good guy,

1032
00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:06.440
good soul, but boy, the demon's got him.

1033
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:09.360
I saw him on one of the Stern showcases, and

1034
00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:12.280
it was a painful show because you're sitting there watching

1035
00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:16.119
Richard and sal doing something that masquerades a comedy.

1036
00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:18.559
And I think Yuko the Clown.

1037
00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:20.039
Might have been there where I'm sitting there going oh God,

1038
00:46:20.199 --> 00:46:22.639
like if Artie wasn't coming up, I think it literally

1039
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:26.440
went like stuttering John d' pallo and then Arty, so

1040
00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:27.639
it was like, Okay, I just got to get through

1041
00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:30.760
stuttering John. I generally like stuttering John, but as long

1042
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:32.840
as I can get through stuttering John, I'll be fine.

1043
00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:36.440
Through to Pollo and Arti and Da Paolo is a genius.

1044
00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:40.039
And then Arti came out, and there are comparisons to Chreischer,

1045
00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:43.000
although Kreischer obviously isn't as completely messed up as Arty is,

1046
00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:46.000
but the same thing where he came out and did

1047
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:48.719
all his shtick, but the crowd just loved him. And

1048
00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:51.280
but like you said, if I'd woken up the next day,

1049
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:52.880
and they said he already didn't wake up. I would

1050
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.440
have been like no, shock there. It's not like Hedberg

1051
00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:58.679
where you're like no, although I did not know that,

1052
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:01.159
and I'll be curious to hear you. I'll be curious

1053
00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:02.719
to know if it was close to them, knew how

1054
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:06.119
bad his drug habit was. I get the sense that

1055
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:09.119
they did the same thing with Giraldo, And obviously nobody

1056
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:11.800
was stunned when Patrice died, but I still didn't make

1057
00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:14.440
it any less sad, just because you always hate seeing

1058
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:17.400
these comic geniuses taken from us too soon.

1059
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:20.400
Yeah, and it happens to so many. All Right, ten

1060
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:22.400
minutes ago, I asked you one last question, So I'm

1061
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:24.400
going to let you go. You won't have to listen

1062
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:26.280
to this episode because you already know what we said.

1063
00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:28.840
But I appreciate you. Thank you for taking care of

1064
00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:31.519
the Facebook group as one of the moderators. Appreciate you

1065
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:33.840
coming on. I think we'll have you back. Just I

1066
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:36.360
like talking to comedy and talking about comedy with people,

1067
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:37.760
and it's fun to just drop one of these in.

1068
00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:40.280
Yeah, I appreciate everything you do. I'd been looking for

1069
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:43.159
something like it for a long time. When I stumbled

1070
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:46.360
on it, I was like, this is exactly what I want.

1071
00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:48.320
You do an amazing job. And I listened to a

1072
00:47:48.320 --> 00:47:50.079
ton of podcasts, so it's like, when I start my

1073
00:47:50.199 --> 00:47:51.360
day with yours, that's.

1074
00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:52.079
A pretty big compliment.

1075
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:52.400
Thank you.

1076
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:55.119
Also, tonally try to do it as a morning show.

1077
00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:57.800
I'm not a yellers screamer, so I think it's easy

1078
00:47:57.840 --> 00:47:59.400
on the years at seven thirty in the morning. It

1079
00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:01.159
is one of the pro designs of it.

1080
00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:03.199
It drops at the perfect time and it's the perfect

1081
00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:05.159
length for like first thing in the morning. Be like, Okay,

1082
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:07.199
I got and I listened to double speed, so I

1083
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:09.400
got seven and a half minutes for a perfect way.

1084
00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:09.920
To start the day.

1085
00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:12.159
But I really do go to the National Donuts chain

1086
00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:15.400
every morning. It just it tends to magically work out

1087
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:19.480
that my drive to coffee hits. Usually I hit the

1088
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:21.800
parking lot right as the show gets to the commercial break,

1089
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:23.519
and then I listen to the rest on the way home.

1090
00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:26.119
But I do listen, not that I'm a narcissist. I

1091
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:28.360
listened to see if I made a production error, because

1092
00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:30.639
every now and then I make a production error and

1093
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:32.639
then I try and catch it before everybody else does.

1094
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:34.920
No, I get it, and yeah, one of many shows

1095
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:37.159
that I listen to, but it's definitely in my daily routine.

1096
00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:42.960
That's a long episode of Daily Comedy News Tomorrow. Jeff Siegel, documentarian,

1097
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:45.679
We talk about his Mitch Hedberg documentary and celebrate the

1098
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:48.639
life of Mitch Heedburg. Sunday, jason's ineman friend of the

1099
00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:51.639
show from The New York Times, We also talk Mitch Heedburg.

1100
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:52.599
See you tomorrow.