Sept. 7, 2024

Gianmarco Soresi returns with a cool John Mulaney impression

Gianmarco Soresi returns with a cool John Mulaney impression

Johnny Mac hosts one of Vulture's comedians to watch, Gianmarco Soresi.

They discuss Gianmarco's career highlights, including his special 'A Little Something Special,' his recurring show 'Silver Lining' in New York City, and his innovative podcast...

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Johnny Mac hosts one of Vulture's comedians to watch, Gianmarco Soresi.

They discuss Gianmarco's career highlights, including his special 'A Little Something Special,' his recurring show 'Silver Lining' in New York City, and his innovative podcast episodes. Gianmarco shares insights into the challenges comedians face with constantly creating new content and balancing topical humor with timeless material. They also explore the impacts of cultural spheres in comedy, the importance of mixing comedic styles, and the evolving dynamics of the comedy industry. The episode illustrates the intricate balance between creative innovation and the pressures of maintaining a public presence in the digital age.

00:20 Gianmarco's Special and Biden Chunk
00:38 Recurring Show in NYC and Interview Dynamics
01:31 DMV Story and Podcasting Insights
02:06 AI Comedy and Italian Stereotypes
05:02 Comedy Themes and Identity
10:12 Podcasting as a Creative Outlet
14:17 Comedy Influences and Industry Insights
26:43 Breaking News and Comedy
27:49 Releasing a Topical Comedy Special
28:45 The Challenges of Topical Humor
33:04 Balancing Social Media and Stand-Up
45:56 Theater Kid Roots and New Projects
49:44 Reflections on Australia and New Zealand

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Callaroga Shark Media.

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Hello Johnny Mack with your daily comedy news. My guest

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today is the very funny, hilarious John Marco sir RAIZI.

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He is one of Vulture's comedians you should know and

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will know. We talk for about a better part of

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an hour here. During the summer, he released a little

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something Special which is one of my favorite things of

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the year, very very funny, fifteen seventeen minutes something like that.

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But did Biden chunk in it?

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Then?

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When Biden didn't have such a good debate and looked

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like he was going to drop out, John Marco was like, oh,

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let me get this thing out there now. So he'll

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explain to us how that came out. He also has

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a recurring show in New York City called The Silver Lining,

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which has been sold out consistently for over two years

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and theater adults the show coming up at Joe's Pub.

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He will explain what that is. I may have tried

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a little too hard here in the first couple questions.

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I just I try not to be like, so you're

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a comedian, huh, And I try and come with a

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different angle. So I'm not sure he was totally feeling

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me the first minute or so here, but then we

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really clicked. Sitting here and just making sure that I

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sent out the proper link of everything I'm clicking on

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an industry trade. This is totally random, but I figured

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it's hopefully more interesting than just going So what do

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you think of cancel culture?

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A press release?

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A comedian media store with over eighty followers is about

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to launch a podcast, So is that really good publicist?

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Or you know? I always set the bar low, so

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you got exceed expectations.

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So the big stress of my life today is what

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happens if the DMV calls me in the middle of

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this interview. I figured, let me just start with awkward things,

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So why would the DMV call me? Long story medium.

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I went to get my license renewed and a New

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Jersey was like, sorry, your license is suspended in New York.

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I haven't lived in New York in twenty something years.

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Twenty five dollars. Fine, I have to get a letter

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from New York and it's it's not like you click

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on the website and they send it to you. So

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supposedly the DMV's going to call me and no offense,

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love you. But if they actually call me, I'm going

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to have to bay otherwise, I my Chad drive.

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Me to work. Man. Sure listen, I hear about. That's

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a good excuse, so you keep me posting.

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I was catching up on your podcast. I enjoyed recently

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dropped a Patreon episode with some AI written Italian style comedy,

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some very hack comedy. I thought that was amazing.

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Yeah, it really because I don't talk about food. It

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was all about food. So really all the AI was

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able to do is they said, he said he's Jewish,

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they said he's Italian, and then let the stereotypes roll

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and it was all this food. I don't talk about

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any food in my app.

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There's at least one comedian that I can think of

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that could deliver that material. Now, I didn't think the

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material was particularly written for your wheelhouse, but I can

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think of one guy, if he had the crowd rolling

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and did it in his delivery at his stadium shows,

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could have performed that material. The materially itself, in the

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right environment, maybe could have flown.

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Are we talking Sebastian on a scalco You can go sure,

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sure he could act it out.

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He could take that.

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He could take a soft punch line and show him

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serve with the batsa ball soup or serve with a

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PASTRAVI he could make it work.

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I could see it. You've got the right name for it.

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I was thinking maybe you could do like a bobcat

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Gouldwaite thing and open for yourself, Like could come out

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and just you, really John Marco, and then you come

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out and do your normal act as a closer. Maybe

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give yourself a different first name for the second part.

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Listen if I leaned in, if I leand into the

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Italian thing, and honestly I would, It's just I wasn't

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raised like in an Italian community. My dad's a little Italian,

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so I just don't have that many jokes about it.

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Believe in me.

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I would be that comedian if I could. But my

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dad was making cup of noodles, not spaghetti and meatballs.

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But you grab three other guys with Italian sounding names,

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you start a tour, you go out.

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I've tried to think the Italian. It's got to be

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like the mob bosses of comedy.

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Okay, I'm well ahead of you on the AI twenty

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minutes ago. I've got ten for you. You're ready, Here

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we go. Sure, some of these even for Hack or Hack.

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But the Gobbelgool Gang. I liked that they added the

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gg the Gobbegle Gang, you and three of the guys.

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This one is in Hack's Corner of hack Town. Boughta

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being Comedy jam though they had a jam. Sure, Pasta

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and punchlines pretty awful. The Canoli Chronicles, Oh, brutal spaghetti

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and stand up these are so bad. I like this one,

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Sauce and SaaS sure, the Forget About It Funnies is

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just awful. The Meatball Mafia awful, Manja and Mirth and

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the Mozzarella Mirth Tour.

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Yeah, and the short stuff is too on the nose.

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I just put it in now.

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The don of comedy sounds cool, but that it looks

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like that exists already. But listen, chat GPT is already

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good enough to replicate at least eighty percent of the

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stand up comedy world, and it's eventually it'll get better enough.

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Sometimes I'm quite a comedy snole. My daughter is working

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in a local theater and part of her job is

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to just research acts that they could potentially book. And

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she came home one day and was like, have you

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ever heard of this? And it was one of these.

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It was the Italian American Wise Guys of Comedy, and

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I just said to her, I go, there's no way

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that's good. It'll probably sell out, but there's no way

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it's good.

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Sure I did when I did Just for Lasts last year,

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it's last year. I did the Just for the Culture Show,

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which used to be called the Ethnic Show. And before

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the Ethnic Show, they had the Italian Show, the Black

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Comic Show, the Jews Show, and then last Society Guru.

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They're like, okay, well combine the ball. Okay, We'll call

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Just for the Culture. And I was on the lineup

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with Judy Gold and I was like, oh, they think

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she's the Jewish one and I'm going to be the

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Italian the stand up in SaaS and they we really

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just ended up being a Jewish, very Jewish lineup between

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me and Judy.

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My name can be misleading. Do those nights still exist?

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I'm rusty, but LA used to have Asian Invasion and

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Chocolate Sundays was one of them.

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Those are still around, Chocolate Sundays, and I would say,

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crack them up. Comedy is also like the Black Show

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or the Urban Show at the Comedy Store. In the

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belly room. So those still exist. I don't know about

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the Asian invasion, but listen, I think of those theme shows,

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even they're not seen, but centered around identity, can bring

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in a lot of people who have never seen a

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stand up comedy show before because they go, Okay, this

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is geared for me.

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I guess, and so I had scripted.

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If you look at a lot of comedy club lineups,

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you might as well call them the straight white guy show.

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So what's fine? Maybe we need to create some special

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pockets of shows. Dude's a prep.

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But I always find it fascinating anytime I google you,

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there seems to be a fascination with headline writers. It's

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frequently Italian Jewish comedian or Jewish Italian comedian. And I

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look at that and I'm like, you know, are we

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booking Irish Catholic Jim Gaffigan coming to town?

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Like, I don't get it.

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Yeah, I just think people people think that that's going

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to give you everything you need to know about someone's

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comedic dialings. I guess to go, oh, Jewish, he's gonna

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be a neurotic again. I'll talk about his gil pig

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mom and then Italian it's like he'll talk about food.

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You know, it's hard to write about comedy in a

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way that has massive peel. What are you going to say,

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a mix of Anthony Jesslnik and John mulaney with a

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theater kid background. No one's find tickets to that show.

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They're going to say, obviostly Jesslink or John m'laney on

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their own. So I whatever they want to say, I

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think theatrical and dark are the words that I want

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to Then I think i'd want to get through just

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so just to deter someone who's very doesn't want anything mean.

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I think that would be the thing of it's not

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going to be it's not warm, that's not going to

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be the evening ahead of you. That's the only thing.

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But also that's not a great title. Eight come to

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see that not warm and fuzzy. John Marco SIASI.

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I never noticed the Mullany. You're in the same vocal range.

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You're not a mulleni clone. But if we put a

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suit on you and shaved and made you play Millennie

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in a sketch.

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You could do that.

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I think Mullaney musically, I think the way I have

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to limit how much I listened to it to him

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because I just think the way that he made it

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a little nasally and it just fits comedy, and I

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really do. And I'm sure apparently there was a comedian

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who works at the Seller, the Comedy Seller, named Dan Natterman,

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and someone told me that when mulaney started, people called

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him like Dan Natterman, ripoff or something like or he

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was imitating Dan Baderman. So I like to believe that,

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like the music of comedy, which I feel like it

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doesn't get talked about as much, just like the musicality

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of the way people deliver jokes, Milani's is just in

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a certain kind of range and register that I think

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is just feels right when I'm joking with my friends,

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if I'm trying to have riff off with them. It's

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just the place that I do. It's a little bit presentational,

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it's really clear. It helps you make a clear setup

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and you different to the center for the punchline because

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you change the often and it's fun.

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That's fantastic.

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So but I have the ear for this because I've

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worked in radio for my career in podcasting, so we

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always when you build a team, you want to make

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sure people aren't in the same range. So, for example,

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you and Malaney would not partner up on an audio

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only radio show, whereas you and Sebastin Maniscalco would because.

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You wouldn't be like, which one is talking?

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Sure, that's really cool, I've mad sense now that you

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say it, But yeah, you've got to there's podcasts where

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I go I still don't know which voice is which guy.

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It all just bleeds into one.

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After listening for two years. Right, yeah, how are you

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enjoying podcasting yourself?

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I dig it.

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I certainly wish we had more listeners, but the clips

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and the videos that we get out of it are enjoyed.

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And ultimately, when I started making the podcast, I had

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all these ideas, these high concept ideas, and I had

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a friend who was like, come up with something that

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you'd want to do, even when you're in a terrible mood,

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even when you don't want to do it. And ultimately

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it was like a looser concept the downside complaining with

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a good friend as a co host, And I'm so

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glad that I picked something that I not only loved,

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but also where the podcast could be notepad for ideas.

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I could talk about stories, I could talk about whatever's

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going out of the news, my family, my life, and

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I just it richens my work.

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I think I get a lot of joke ideas from

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that podcast.

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So I love it, and I'm glad that I prioritized

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kind of something I loved over maybe something with a

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clearer hook. Because it's so much work and the rewards

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are still minimal. It's financially devastating, but I love doing

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it and I love being able to see my friends

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on a regular basis and just choot the shit with him.

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So naively respectfully, you said it's so much work, So

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what is the difference between a perception of you just

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show up and riff for an hour and fifteen minutes

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and you go home and it's a lot of work.

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they're a stand up, I'll listen to their most recent special,

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I'll comb through. There are tweets, some interviews just to

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seek what they enjoyed, talk talking about what aspect of

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their life are they willing to get into the weeds

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and talk shit.

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of my comedy career off social media and clips. So

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I go through a transcript of every episode. I'm picking

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out what's the clip that best catch is it, what's

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going to pop online? Send it to my editor, check

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the caption, schedule, all the posts. So it just becomes

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a huge And I think when we have a really

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great guest, the episodes can d of be two hours

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two and a half hours. So the better it's going,

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the more work it generates.

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And I think I'm going to make.

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Sure even though it is loose, I got to cut

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with my pockets filled. I had an acting teacher that

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always talked about coming to a role with your pockets filled.

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What happened that week, what do I want to talk about,

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what's a cool new segment, what's a little prank I

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can play on my co host? And I think the

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key to having all that looseness really work is you

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got to have kind of some hidden structure underneath.

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Does it work as a sort of workout room?

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Are you testing material or is it the opposite that

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a conversation goes somewhere in spurs an idea.

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I think it can be a workout room. My co

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host has a great laugh. Pete Holmes, he is his

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own last track on his podcasts. He provides it for me.

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That's slit. And it's my co host who's a laugher,

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and he is not. He's allergic to joke jokes when

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I love joke jokes.

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So I think it's not fully a workout room.

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I think it's if we get into an idea that

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really gets him going, and really we start risks and

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I go, oh, there's something there, and then I got

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to do the work after the fact. So in a way,

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it is a workout room, but not as strict as

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let me run this bit. Let me try to sneak

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in this bit, because if my co host sniffs the

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manipulation around a joke, he's out.

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He's out. I beg him.

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I say, please, let me tell you my jokes from

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performing at the Fish Festival this weekend, and he's okay.

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But it doesn't It just doesn't work.

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Like those old style horrible talk show guests. Hey tell

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me about podcasting. Never mind podcasting, let me tell you

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about the airport, the TSA. These those guys, I think.

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Codin O'Brien, Johnny Carson was very clearly like a Rodney

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Dangerfield panel interview and Johnny, I don't know how much

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prep they did, but Johnny was always really good at

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just like stay in that one line to keep it

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going and never screwed up a joke of Rodney Dangerfields.

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Conan did a much more evolved form where Norm McDonald

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was there to tell his moth joke and Codin had

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to figure out like how to be frustrated that he

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was taking so long without disrupting the tension of the jokes,

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and Cody was so good at that.

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I think is a perfect example, guests who like, she's

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got some jokes she wants to do, and she likes

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the old school panel style, and I can sense, I

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like to think I can sense when she's going into

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kind of a bit of a routine and I go, okay,

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how can I support this in the podcast sphere where

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it doesn't feel corny but she's supported and instead of

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been feeling like a punchline, it feels like the most genius,

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spontaneous thought a person has ever had. And that can

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be fun if you can pull it off.

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people judge Hope by his last fifteen twenty years, but

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if you look at the entire work of his century,

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some really great stuff. But Johnny Carson hated Bob as

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a guest because Bob would basically declare, I'm coming on

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your show and it's NBC, and Bob Hope's the one

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person Johnny Carson can't tell to go hose yourself. But

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Hope would do what we just talked about and just

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sit down and Johnny go Hi, good morning or good

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at good night, and Hope would just go in as material.

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And Carson hated it.

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In a tourbiously, where as I haven't consumed that much

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Bob Hope, Like, where do you start? What's the thing

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that I would Is there an album of his best hits?

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I think if you can find video.

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So he had a very popular radio show, and then

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when television came along, all the radio shows became TV.

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television shows are basically a radio show with a camera

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in front of it, so he's standing up to stand

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up Mike and when the announcers going now from NBC

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the Bob Hope Show, and he's just doing the monologue

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and mugging for probably the camera guy. But you can

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see how quick he is. And this is probably I

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don't know Bob in his forties, maybe early fifties, not

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the eighty five year old reading off Q cards guy.

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But he was just so quick. So I would say

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that period of around I don't want to TV really

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come in, say nineteen fifty one Bob Hope just to

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throw a dart, and of course his movies. You got

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somebody who can sing with Bing Crosby and dance with

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Jimmy Cagney, and you got to give him some props there.

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But I digress. Oh can you just Carson's in my mind? Now?

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Can you imagine as a comedian if we go back

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it's fifty years now, what a huge spot that was,

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because now you can self markets there it's can I

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get on the Tonight Show and I've got I don't

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know what was it, five minutes eight? It was probably five?

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Right? You got a type usually think Johnny waves you over.

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That must have been insane.

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Yeah, I think about it a lot, because because sometimes

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it can be very frustrating what it feels like. Man,

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it feels borderline impossible to do one thing and have

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it like catapults your career. There are so many There's

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just a million little things you can do, and maybe

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something crazy happens that goes viral that maybe it boosts

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you a little bit.

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Be on the Tonight Show.

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Now, I did Cordon, and I think maybe one person

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in my whole life has said to me after a

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show like I loved your courting, and I think it's

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this mixed thing.

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Yes, it is.

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Cool that the Carson you go on there and your

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whole life would change, unless not cool if the booker

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didn't like your vibe or you pissed off whoever that

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guy was going to the comedy store and you never

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had a shot Carson. It definitely feels like it was

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just way too much power under this one kind of

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cranky guy who's asked you had to kiss. And personally,

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I've always struggled coming up with clean deaths that I

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like love, or at least by today's. I sent a

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set into the Tonight Show after New Faces, and the

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response I got was a holocaust joke. Yikes, And I

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was like, oh, no, I'm not getting this, and it

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was like at the time, it was like that was

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and that was the centerpiece. I had this a joke

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that mentioned the Holocaust and I loved it. And I

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don't know if back then, if I would have been

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in easy to fantasize, Oh, I would have been in.

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I would have had that Tonight show. I would have

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killed it, got into the couch. But there's another world.

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Where he didn't like me.

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I didn't have the set, and then I would have

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been dying for Instagram to let me gradually build myself up.

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So I think it's there needs to be a middle grounds.

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I think that tonight soo when I hear about it,

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it sends a shiver down my spine because I just go, God,

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that guy controlled whether you had a stand up career

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or not, and that's not good.

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I just did a story for the podcast. Somebody else

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wrote a hot take. Joe Rogan is too powerful in

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comedy now, and I'm like, Joe Rogan's good for comedy.

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Not everybody likes Joe Rogan, that's fine, but he's good

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for comedy. He basically created a third Coast.

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Sure, I had my previous touring agent I had was like,

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you have three ways to succeed in touring. And this

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might have shifted a little since then, but it was

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like big social media, you're on TV or Joe Rogan's podcast,

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and I was like, geesus christ. I think I was

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saying this last night. I was at the Comedy Cellar

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and I was talking with Nathan McIntosh about so many

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people will come to shows and we'll say afterwards and say,

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this was my first stand up comedy show. I don't

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think that happens a lot with music. I don't think

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people at the end of concerts but this is my

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first concert.

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But like, stand up.

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Comedy is such an untapped market. There's so many people

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who don't necessarily know they would be into this. So

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there's a degree where I go, Yeah, Joe Rogan talking

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NonStop about stand up comedy makes a new generation of men.

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If we're speaking about Rogan and being honest, get into

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stand up comedy, and great. Maybe they get into that,

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and then there's tastes to expand beyond Joe Rogan's sphere.

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I think the fear is that Joe Rogan creates a

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specific kind of thing and that universe, that kind of

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really wants to see a white guy say a slur

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that you're not supposed to say anymore, and that's their definition.

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That's the only fear I think of the kind of

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ideology of that general sphere. I hope it ex fans.

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I hope it intermingles. I hope all comedians start splitting

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up sharing lineups. But that's ultimately. I do think it's

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good for comedy that he exists. And I've had audience

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I remember an audience member years ago came up and

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they said, Oh, I saw you're working on new material.

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That's so cool. Joe Rogan talks about how comedians and

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imes have to work on new material during the show,

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and I'm like, you know what, God bless if he's

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educating our new comedy fan as to how this all works,

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and you're into it.

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Great.

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You talked about spheres, and it reminded me there are

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all these spheres that I guess don't touch each other.

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What came to mind was when Kat Williams went on

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Shannon Sharp's podcast and started throwing heat that surface to

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maybe a different audience. The whole Atlanta scene and the

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various beefs that go on in that sphere of comedy,

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and that probably doesn't cross over with the Rogan verse

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unless Gat goes on Rogan.

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I think ultimately.

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When you separate these worlds is it doesn't benefit the

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quality of the comedy because suddenly you're not dealing with

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the cream of the crop. You're dealing with the cream

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of your little sphere. And it's just the quality goes

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down overall whenever people are And it's the same with

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you could call it the opposite of the Joe Rogan universe,

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but like the Brooklyn world, like there is the world

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of you could call it old comedy or just left

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leaning comedy, where if you never mix with another world

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and the best from that world, it just gets worse

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and worse. And I think that's happened to a degree

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with the Austin scene. I think that's why New York

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is such a powerful is still, in my mind, the

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best place to keep doing comedy, because there's more colliding,

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there's more a mix, and that elevates everyone, that forces

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them to be good to continue to participate. And I

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have nothing. I don't know Austin well enough to have

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any kind of hard opinion about the Austin comedy scene.

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I just know from more secondhand and occasional shows that

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I do there, that I could use a little mixing.

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To put it politely, it could use a little mixing,

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and I think it will happen.

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00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:38.319
I do.

464
00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:41.680
I don't think these worlds can stay itsler forever. I

465
00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:44.839
think I think we need more panel shows, and we

466
00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:47.119
need those panel shows to be a mix and I

467
00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:50.039
think one day, I think kil Tony will get to

468
00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:53.160
a point where it does have some comedians that you

469
00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:56.880
wouldn't think would do it now, and it will expand

470
00:23:56.960 --> 00:24:02.240
the vocabulary and show more people what great comedy can be.

471
00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:06.799
And I'm hopeful that kind of will come to pass.

472
00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:10.079
We did a show at Serious early in my run there.

473
00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:12.440
He used to run the comedy properties there. It was

474
00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:15.079
called four Quotas and it was basically a tough crowd

475
00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:18.720
rip off, except we just leaned into the four quotas.

476
00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:20.480
There was some gimmick that the government had passed the

477
00:24:20.519 --> 00:24:22.160
law you had to have a white guy, a black guy,

478
00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:24.440
a woman, and then the wild card position just to

479
00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:27.000
make the booking easier. And I look back one of

480
00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:32.200
those early episodes was Jim Gaffigan Lisa Lampanelli Asi's I'm sorry,

481
00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:35.119
and I forget who the fourth you thought about being diverse?

482
00:24:35.240 --> 00:24:38.039
That was a really fun show, a little too early

483
00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:40.160
in the runned series for it to take off. We

484
00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:43.759
talked about isolating one joke, and we talked about the

485
00:24:43.759 --> 00:24:46.519
civilians coming in, and I think there's something to be

486
00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:50.799
said for taking in an entire set. My wife will

487
00:24:50.799 --> 00:24:55.839
often come down. I will be watching a special and

488
00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:57.880
she'll show up thirty six minutes into it with a

489
00:24:57.960 --> 00:25:02.720
laundry basket, stand there at the TV for forty seconds ago,

490
00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:05.440
is this guy funny? And it's just I have to

491
00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:07.720
hit pause and it kills the whole room, and I'm like,

492
00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:09.759
you know, I can't go into you see that line

493
00:25:09.759 --> 00:25:11.599
There is actually a calling back to eighteen minutes ago

494
00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:13.319
where he set this up, and that was a headshake,

495
00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:15.359
like it's just is that guy funny?

496
00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:20.039
They what? First of all? I sometimes I have to acknowledge.

497
00:25:20.200 --> 00:25:22.440
And sometimes it'll happen, like when a clip goes viral

498
00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:25.559
and some people go, this guy is not funny at all.

499
00:25:25.839 --> 00:25:28.759
Some people don't like stand up and that's fine. And

500
00:25:28.759 --> 00:25:31.839
then someone who loves musical theater I know more than

501
00:25:31.880 --> 00:25:35.240
anyone that like if someone goes to see. Someone will

502
00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:40.480
see a Stephen Sondheim musical, the most agreed upon, the

503
00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:43.359
greatest composer of all time, and they'll go, eh, that

504
00:25:43.519 --> 00:25:45.960
was no good and it's okay. You don't like the

505
00:25:46.039 --> 00:25:49.200
form and that's fine. And it's the same for stand ups.

506
00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:54.279
Some people don't like those jokey things. But I agree.

507
00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:57.200
It's always hard with a partner when you don't love

508
00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:01.519
the same piece of art. Sometimes he fights could be brutal. Now,

509
00:26:01.559 --> 00:26:05.519
my girlfriend, she's a manager, she's a comedy manager, so

510
00:26:05.559 --> 00:26:09.519
she represents comedians, and she doesn't want to watch as

511
00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:11.920
much stand up as I do. And because sometimes I'm

512
00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:14.839
watching it, Okay, what's going on here? What's okay? What

513
00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:17.039
is the best amount of scalco talking about right now?

514
00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:20.000
What can I learn from the cameras? And our rule

515
00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:23.640
is when she can guess three of the punchlines, it

516
00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:29.079
goes off automatically and it happens a lot. And I

517
00:26:29.119 --> 00:26:32.960
do like to think that her bar keeps me sharp

518
00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:35.519
because I'm like, even in conversation, if I'm trying to

519
00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:38.119
be funny with my girlfriend, I gotta if she guesses

520
00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:39.680
three times, she's going to break up with me on

521
00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:40.119
the spot.

522
00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:42.440
So I gotta keep my comedy game high.

523
00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:45.000
So I found it interesting there how you explained how

524
00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:47.240
you're watching comedy and the cameras as I have a

525
00:26:47.240 --> 00:26:51.720
producer's breen. The night of the attempted assassination of President Trump,

526
00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:54.799
I clicked on CNN because it's what one does, and

527
00:26:54.880 --> 00:26:56.680
I knew it was six point thirty on a Saturday,

528
00:26:56.720 --> 00:26:59.799
so the d team was anchoring and I'm watching it.

529
00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:02.480
I'm like and I'm like, actually, she's doing a really

530
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:02.960
good job.

531
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:03.400
She's doing it.

532
00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:06.200
And I said to my daughter, I go, Wolf Blitzer's

533
00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:09.160
in a cab and somebody's calling Anderson Cooper in the Hamptons.

534
00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:11.599
Now going, dude, get here right away as soon as

535
00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:13.599
you can get there, And sure enough, top of the

536
00:27:13.640 --> 00:27:15.799
hour came, Wolf's in the chair. You wait another hour,

537
00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:18.279
Anderson's in the chair. So like, I'll tend to watch

538
00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:20.680
breaking news and not actually care about the news part

539
00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:22.480
and just look at all the what's going on behind.

540
00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:23.960
Oh, they got caught with their pants down.

541
00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:26.960
Biden stepped down at one forty six pm on a Sunday,

542
00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:29.119
so nobody's there to cover it, so they're stuck in

543
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:29.839
an infomercial.

544
00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:30.720
I love that stuff.

545
00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:32.960
Yeah, that's really There was a very funny thing on

546
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:36.160
Twitter because wolf Blitzer had just tweeted a picture of

547
00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:39.880
him like getting a martini called the wolf Flitzer, and

548
00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:42.359
he looked like really fun. And then an hour later

549
00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:44.880
it's him at the desk and he looks a little

550
00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:46.920
just oh my god, there goes my day.

551
00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:50.319
We all know you're buzz dude. All right, natural segue.

552
00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:56.160
You dropped a special because the President announced he wasn't rerunning,

553
00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:59.000
so you released Sorry, I dropped my notes here.

554
00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:00.240
I want to get it. What's the title again? I

555
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:02.079
want to get it right? A little something special, A

556
00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:03.079
little something special.

557
00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:05.559
Yeah, so walk me through that was that going to

558
00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:08.160
be part of a longer special? And he went, oh

559
00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:10.400
my god, this chunk just got.

560
00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:14.599
Need Honestly, it was like I was waiting on a

561
00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:17.440
couple different things to see if they wanted an hour

562
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:20.079
from me, different streaming networks. Do you want an hour?

563
00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:22.240
Do you want an hour? Do am I going to

564
00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:25.160
release something on my own? Let's wait, let's see what

565
00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:28.519
they say. And I just have a chunk of material

566
00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:34.079
that felt I want to release this yesterday, and it

567
00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:37.799
feels like it feels just so on the pulse, and

568
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:41.119
I go, well, if you know xyz stream or wat this,

569
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:43.240
they're going to film it in five months, it'll be

570
00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:44.160
released in a year.

571
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:49.000
Especially when you're not famous, famous.

572
00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:52.559
You you could record something and it could come out

573
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:55.880
so far away. Your ability to be topical is more

574
00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:58.519
limited than I think if you were Chris Rock or

575
00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:01.440
John Lady and I think I just had these jokes

576
00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:04.279
and I was like dying to get out there. I

577
00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:06.599
felt like if they came out a year from now,

578
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:11.799
they just wouldn't be quite as exciting to hear, And

579
00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:16.240
so very last minute, I just picked a weekend I

580
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:19.599
was doing Comedy Connection in Rhode Island. I had a

581
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:21.920
good one night or the year before, so I was like,

582
00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:25.000
this will be good. I guess my opener is also

583
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:29.880
a great cinematographer and editor and producer. He basically put

584
00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:33.599
it together. We did three cameras, we flew in two people,

585
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:36.319
and he could very scaled down version and I had

586
00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:37.960
a very specific I was like, I want to do

587
00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:42.119
this fifteen minutes. And it touched on mister Beast, It

588
00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:45.519
touched on trans writes, It touched on Roe v. Wade

589
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:48.960
being overturned at abortion rights, and then it opened with

590
00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:54.160
some jokes about Joe Biden versus Trump again, and just

591
00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:57.480
one particular joke was how I was able to recycle

592
00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:01.559
all my twenty twenty jokes about them going against each other.

593
00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:03.759
So I felt really good about it.

594
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:07.680
I was going to just release it and then cut

595
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:10.359
it up into clips, and I had a whole schedule

596
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:12.319
planned for the end of August. I was going to

597
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:14.920
Australia in August. I said, I'll come back, release this,

598
00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:19.599
do podcasts. And then one night it was my girlfriend's

599
00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:23.640
birthday and I wasn't watching the presidential debate, but I

600
00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:27.839
had a friend who is he's an independent, but he's

601
00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:30.440
he does not want Trump to be president again. And

602
00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:32.119
he was one of the guys who was saying, like Biden,

603
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:33.839
he's got to stick it out. He's the guy who

604
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:38.359
can win, and he's just an institutionalist. And he texted

605
00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:41.000
me in the middle of this dinner he said Biden

606
00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:44.200
needs to drop out right now. And I was like, oh.

607
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:48.720
I was like, what what could have possibly happened at

608
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:53.559
the debate and my girlfriend's birthday. Because I'm a workaholic

609
00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:56.599
and because her work is Tommedy, we had agreed that

610
00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:58.559
this why we weren't going to talk about work. I

611
00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:01.480
wasn't going to talk about if it works things. And

612
00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:03.599
I get this text and suddenly my mind goes racing, like,

613
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:06.880
oh my god, all my opening jokes are about Biden

614
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:11.720
being the nominee. And I watched the clips and I said,

615
00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:13.599
this is not looking good. And all the op eds

616
00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:17.079
came out and the next morning I said, they're in

617
00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:20.279
bed at eight in the morning. I'm just like, I

618
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:23.839
feel like I have to release it today because I

619
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:26.640
didn't know if it was going to happen that day.

620
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:30.799
It felt so the first surge of Biden being called

621
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:33.920
to step down was very intense that first day after

622
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:38.599
and I thought it could happen that day, Saturday, Sunday, Monday,

623
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:40.599
and I was like, I got to get this out now.

624
00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:44.119
And thank god, by editor, we had gotten a lot

625
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:47.599
of stuff done in advance. Sound was mixed, it was edited,

626
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:50.759
it wasn't captured, it wasn't clipped. But I basically said, oh,

627
00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:53.039
I got the day wide open. Let's release it by

628
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:56.799
three pm today. No podcast, no press. I don't know

629
00:31:56.839 --> 00:31:58.599
what he's going to drop out. I don't want to

630
00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:00.759
cut the beginning of it off. I don't want to

631
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:03.160
have to like be like, hey, guys, I know the

632
00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:05.519
beginning's a little dated, but check it out anyway, And

633
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:08.519
we got it done, and by we by my team,

634
00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:12.160
my social media team, my editor, my captioner, my girlfriend

635
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:15.640
was there to let me run even the clip captions

636
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:20.000
by and I was so glad we did. And ultimately

637
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:23.000
he stayed in the race, I think for three weeks after,

638
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:27.319
maybe a month after. But I was so glad that

639
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:29.960
we put it out in a time again where it

640
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:35.039
felt topical. Although I will say it, if I ever

641
00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:38.279
record something like that again, I will be a lot

642
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:43.880
more hesitant if it's a special to include political material

643
00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:50.039
that isn't very big picture, because that's the risk we

644
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:52.799
run in comedy, and a lot of comedians the day

645
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:56.359
Trump's assassinated, comedians now were.

646
00:32:56.279 --> 00:32:58.079
Like going, what's the joke? What's the joke?

647
00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:03.359
People are recording it that night, they're captioning it that night,

648
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:07.319
and why because on social media, it can pop, It

649
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:09.799
can get into the stratosphere, it can go viral, it

650
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:14.279
gets featured in news, and there's a real struggle between

651
00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:19.200
are you just making the obvious joke? Are you just

652
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:22.240
regurgitating all the natural jokes? That would come out of this.

653
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:25.319
Do you need time to make a deeper joke? And

654
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:30.759
have we ultimately made our humor more shallow by feeling

655
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:35.799
like we need to immediately react to events. That used

656
00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:38.480
to be Late Night's job and they had a writing staff,

657
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:42.880
And now it's every comedian the moment a tragedy happens

658
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:45.720
or anything crazy in the news. We got to be

659
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:48.880
like going up in twenty minutes, what's the joke? What's

660
00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:49.359
the joke?

661
00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:52.839
And I had a boss at Sirius who one time asked, us,

662
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:54.559
how come we don't have our own version of the

663
00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:57.559
Daily Show? And I'm like, me and my staff of two,

664
00:33:57.680 --> 00:33:59.400
I'm like, you're gonna give me twenty writers like you

665
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:01.519
want us to bang out a half hour of top

666
00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:04.519
notch comedy four nights a week? Are you insen? But

667
00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:07.240
Late Night even now the new cycle so fast you

668
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:09.960
recorded five thirty. By the time eleven thirty rolls around,

669
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:11.719
there's three new things in the news you're not talking

670
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:12.719
about in your monologue.

671
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:14.760
It's really hard. I don't know what to like.

672
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:17.719
I once had the thought, and I just don't think

673
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:20.760
it really works in practice. But I always think to myself, Man,

674
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:24.800
the best jokes. Twitter has made it in a way

675
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:28.880
where like, the funniest jokes are in the moment, and

676
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:32.519
it's because it's it's thousands of people taking a stab,

677
00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:35.360
and then the ones that go viral are the best,

678
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:39.280
and you go, these Twitter jokes are better takes than

679
00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:42.760
a writing staff of five on the East Coast. And

680
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:45.760
I always thought that when it be fun, if you

681
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:50.440
have a late night show where somehow they were paid

682
00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:53.079
and they wanted to be a part of this, you

683
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:56.440
could have. I think if you told me after a

684
00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:59.000
day's events that I could look at the best tweets

685
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:02.599
and craft a monol out of those jokes, I think

686
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:07.079
you could have a fucking electric in the moment monologue

687
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:10.519
that night. Now, obviously would those people be into that,

688
00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:13.199
what would the pay system be, how would it work?

689
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:15.800
But I do think there is something about telling a

690
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:19.480
joke out loud to an audience that gives it an

691
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:24.519
extra dimension. And I wish we could combine the kind

692
00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:28.920
of incredible power of social media making the best jokes

693
00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:33.639
rise to the top and live entertainment. Maybe someone will

694
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:36.800
try it someday, Maybe I'll try it. It'll fail miserably,

695
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:40.239
but that's the problem with topical jokes, and I think

696
00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:43.760
sometimes stand ups in certain scenarios, I have to go,

697
00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:46.559
you know what, I don't have the best joke about this,

698
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:50.079
And if I try to always chase the topical joke,

699
00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:55.639
I'm never going to build the deeper joke that is

700
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:59.679
more universal, reaches deeper, is more original. And I have

701
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:02.320
to make sure I have a balance, because if I

702
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:04.639
lean towards in the moment, I'm just going to create

703
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:08.119
a lot of kind of fluff that expires the next day,

704
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:10.119
and that's not what I want to do.

705
00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:13.280
I did want to ask you about feeding the beast.

706
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:15.639
I don't want to bore you with a crowd work discussion,

707
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:18.719
but it's got to be insane now just to have

708
00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:22.920
to constantly put up something on social media. And is

709
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:27.920
that fight the development cycle of a proper routine to

710
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:29.039
use an old timey.

711
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:33.159
Word, Yeah, it's very I enjoy again, like I enjoy

712
00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:35.840
that I can put out a joke, I enjoy also

713
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:37.599
the capacity I can put out a joke that is,

714
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:39.519
I think it's a good joke, but I wouldn't put

715
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:41.639
it in a special I think that's cool. Then I

716
00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:44.719
can still get it out there and get some kind

717
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:48.960
of visibility awful thing that I like but isn't my

718
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:53.239
final forms. So you can use social media, I think,

719
00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:57.079
to feed your creative process. And if some joke does

720
00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:59.199
better than I thought it, that I can go, oh,

721
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:02.199
is there more there to explore? Can I bring this?

722
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:05.559
Can I incorporate it into something else? But ultimately, You're right,

723
00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:11.199
it's incredibly exhausting, and I think it's very hard to

724
00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:15.719
decide how do I develop my quote unquote act with

725
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:20.000
what I'm putting out there, especially the concept of burning material.

726
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:24.079
I think a lot of comedians are we used to be.

727
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:29.400
My friend Jay Jorden used to be We're comedy stops,

728
00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:31.199
and there was a degree off. You do it on

729
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:33.800
your Comedy Central, it's burnt, or if you do it

730
00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:36.440
on your special, it's burnt, And then it's like if

731
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:39.360
you release it on TikTok, then even if it goes viral,

732
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:42.519
even if it's seen by millions of people, when you

733
00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:45.239
have a show at Banana's Comedy Club and Hasburg Heights,

734
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:48.760
New Jersey, maybe there's one person in the audience who

735
00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:51.280
saw that clip, and do you get rid of a

736
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:55.000
joke that's tremendous because that one person, or do you go,

737
00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:58.519
I'll never post my finest material, okay, but then you

738
00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:00.960
don't have any fucking fans because you didn't put enough

739
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:02.719
out there to build up a fan base.

740
00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:05.239
I saw Mike Bribigley last night.

741
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:07.400
At the Comedy Cellar and he was mentioning how he

742
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:10.519
said there's some jokes from his first album I believed

743
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:13.199
that he had done on a show recently, and he

744
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:17.280
was shocked because nobody had heard them before. And there's

745
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:19.840
this thought of, oh my god, why would I not

746
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:22.719
do this incredible joke I worked on for so long

747
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:25.639
and made so good, and no one in the audience

748
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:28.360
knows it. And I'm not doing it because why Because

749
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:31.360
that's the comic code, because there could have been two

750
00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:36.079
people who knew it. All those conversations I think are evolving,

751
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:40.119
and I'm figuring out an hour that I want.

752
00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:42.039
To film, and I have to come up with my

753
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:45.599
own rules. I did a set on Netflix. Not a

754
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:48.079
lot of people saw it. Is it okay?

755
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:51.360
If I use one line that's a really good bridge

756
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:54.440
between my divorced material and my theater material.

757
00:38:56.639 --> 00:39:00.079
I've asked myself that in some cases, I go, yeah,

758
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.400
this is a shit backit. Just do it.

759
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:05.519
If it makes the hour great, do it. This is

760
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:08.039
a lot of people's introduction to you. And then there's

761
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:10.880
the other part of me that goes, I should move on,

762
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:13.239
I should leave it behind, I should write something new,

763
00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:17.000
And it's every comedian is going to have to decide

764
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:22.639
their own rules that evolve. And it does make it harder.

765
00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:25.119
It does make it a lot harder.

766
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:26.639
But also.

767
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:30.159
He gives me an ability to show my best joke

768
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:32.639
to someone who's never going to watch a comedy special.

769
00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:35.519
If I have a joke about drag queens, it's going

770
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:37.480
to get to an audience of people who will never

771
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:39.840
see a comedy show, who will never go to Netflix

772
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:42.119
to watch a comedy special. But they did get to

773
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:44.719
watch a minute of me telling a joke that I'm

774
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:46.679
really proud of. You win some you lose.

775
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:49.880
So that makes sense to me, especially pulling out a

776
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:52.719
line or two. And any artist is going to have

777
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:54.559
their super fans. But oh, we heard this already. I

778
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:56.320
liked him better when he was in the clubs. But

779
00:39:56.360 --> 00:39:57.920
I think that makes a lot of sense. And then

780
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:01.000
I'm thinking, as you were speaking the other way, if

781
00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:04.079
it'd be very old now, but if sixty five year

782
00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:07.440
old George Carlin We're playing Carnegie Hall tonight and went

783
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:10.719
into baseball and football. I'm not sure I'd be upset.

784
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:12.480
I'd be like, oh cool, I get to hear carl

785
00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:14.400
and do that now. I would hope the rest of

786
00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:17.280
the hour were new. But if he went into that

787
00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:20.360
thirty years later, it almost like the stones dusting off

788
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:23.440
start me up. I'd be like, Okay, I think it's again.

789
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:26.320
I think someone told me that Louis c k back

790
00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:28.639
in the day after his shows, he would come out

791
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:31.079
and say, are there any bits you want to hear?

792
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:34.760
And he would like, let the audience request their favorite bits,

793
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:36.079
and he would do it like that.

794
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:37.519
I think there's listen.

795
00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:41.719
I think comedy is relative to music, is still a

796
00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:45.159
younger art form, and I do think there's room for

797
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:47.800
us to figure out, like, oh, you know what they

798
00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:50.679
do like when I go into this chuck, they do

799
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:52.800
like if I bring this thing back and maybe you

800
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:54.960
do it as an encore, maybe you slip it in

801
00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:57.440
there a bunch amongst and a lot of other new stuff.

802
00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:02.480
But at the same time, I do have that it's

803
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:05.639
an old school impulse that was kind of taught to

804
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:08.079
me of just if they know if they've heard it before,

805
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:12.039
they're not gonna like it. And I just think the

806
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.480
world is too fractured in terms of you have a

807
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:18.920
special on HBO and nobody sees it. The world is

808
00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:24.360
too fractured to live by those old rules, because then

809
00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:26.920
what happens is if you're trying to churn out too

810
00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:30.519
much new material. And I struggle with this too, it

811
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:35.599
doesn't become as strong. I have jokes that I can

812
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:38.480
tell you when I first started telling a worse version

813
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:42.199
of them five years ago, five years ago, seven years ago,

814
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:45.480
and I go, it didn't reach its vital form until

815
00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:50.360
so many years. And with our current system, it's hard

816
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:52.559
to think that a joke would live that long without

817
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:53.719
being quote unquote burnt.

818
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:56.679
So we're all going to have to navigate it.

819
00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:59.840
And I think I've seen a lot of comedians used

820
00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:03.880
to be very strict about levoz on comedy centrals. It's done,

821
00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:08.159
completely give up on that notion because that's just not

822
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:09.920
what's supported anymore.

823
00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:12.840
Is there peer pressure from the back of the room.

824
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:15.159
Look at John Marco's being lazy, He's just doing his

825
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:16.960
good joke. You get that crap.

826
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:19.960
I think a little bit less. I don't know what

827
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:22.639
it was like. I've been doing comedy for ten years.

828
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:25.119
I don't know what it was like back in the day,

829
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:29.400
if like comedians watched each other more or commented more.

830
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:35.480
But no, unless someone like really does not ever seem

831
00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:40.119
to change their act at all, I don't think people

832
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:43.079
go always doing that bit. Again.

833
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:47.199
I notice the people who I go, Jesus Christ, you

834
00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:51.639
haven't changed a single bit of your fifteen minute set?

835
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:52.840
Aren't you bored?

836
00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:57.280
But no, I think, and I don't think this is good,

837
00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:00.280
but I think comedians' eyes are more unlike how each

838
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:05.000
other is succeeding in this career, more than artistically. And

839
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:07.360
I don't think that's good. But I think we're in

840
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:11.039
such a doggy dog world. It's such a real ruthless climb.

841
00:43:11.599 --> 00:43:14.440
That's where people's minds are right now.

842
00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:17.039
I always found it as a civilian, not a comedian,

843
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:18.480
never want to be a comedian, not claiming to be

844
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:20.679
a comedian, not a performer obviously, but just as a

845
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:24.039
guy in clubs. I always found that the comics either

846
00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:28.400
appreciated if one of their peers was crushing or eating it.

847
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:30.320
They would find if you were eating it fun as well.

848
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:32.719
It was that middle ground of you're not even trying.

849
00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:35.360
That tend to be the comedy snobbery.

850
00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:39.039
Yeah, there's times when I'm working on more news stuff

851
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:42.199
and immediately I go, I'm not doing really well. Everyone

852
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:45.639
watching here is things that I suck. And then I

853
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:49.000
try to remind myself that when I see comics that

854
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:53.280
I really admire working on new material, I can tell

855
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:56.920
and I don't judge them for it. I go, yeah,

856
00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:00.559
that's what you're using this Sunday night spot at the

857
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:05.880
bar show for. And I think that impulse to crush

858
00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:09.159
is always there, and you have to fight it sometimes.

859
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:14.079
I remember just seeing Bill Burr at a comedy club.

860
00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:17.920
And he was like he wasn't doing great, and he

861
00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:22.400
was very clearly like sticking on a topic and just

862
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:27.920
hidden every possible thought he had on that topic. And

863
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:31.599
I'm sure the audience, as they do with more famous comedians,

864
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:34.119
went like, yeah, he was okay, but I.

865
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:36.320
Knew from the back of the room as a comedian.

866
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:39.599
I was like, yeah, this is his workout room, my

867
00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:42.719
hot Friday night show room at a comedy club in

868
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:45.679
New York. For this moment, I need to use this

869
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:49.239
because I'm doing Madison Square Garden tomorrow. I'm going to work,

870
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:54.079
and I think the great comics and the prolific comics

871
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:57.119
they have to fight that urge to kill every time

872
00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:01.480
and bombs sometimes if it means take a risk, and

873
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:04.199
you see someone kill with the same set for years,

874
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:08.079
I do think, I go, what's the point though?

875
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:11.880
What's the point of killing on this random bar show

876
00:45:11.960 --> 00:45:14.480
right now? With jokes already work one hundred percent? What

877
00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:15.119
do you gain?

878
00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:19.519
And when I'm doing spots, I really like to gain something.

879
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:23.400
I like to learn something, and if I don't, who cares.

880
00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:26.840
Yeah, I always appreciate an artist going for it, even

881
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:30.480
if it misses like I as a snob. I hate

882
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:33.039
the sitcom with the dead that looks like me, that

883
00:45:33.079 --> 00:45:35.119
could lose some weight and has the hot younger wife

884
00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:37.400
and she thinks he's stupid, and We've seen the sitcom

885
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:40.199
five hundred times and I'm like, you're not even trying.

886
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:43.639
Whereas I appreciate something that is coming from a different

887
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:46.280
angle aspiring to be something, which is my lead in

888
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:48.719
to ask you about theater Adult, which I don't want

889
00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:52.119
to misdescribe, but as I read it, and I'd rather

890
00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:54.719
you explain it, here's somebody trying to do something.

891
00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:57.960
Basically, I came from this acting background and I have

892
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:01.880
a lot of theater jokes related things talking about theater.

893
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:04.159
I would have people complain about my podcast they go

894
00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:07.039
Jesus Christ another musical theater episode where you talk all

895
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:11.840
about community theater and bad shows and teachers and all

896
00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:14.320
of that. That says to me is that, oh, okay,

897
00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:19.320
Like I have a very specific interest that I do

898
00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:22.320
want to cultivate. I'm drawn to and so it's okay.

899
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:24.880
So where in my life can I create a vessel

900
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:29.159
for all my theater thoughts, my theater jokes, my my

901
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:32.119
theater just talking about it. So I made the show

902
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:34.239
Theater Adult, and we're about to have our second one

903
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:38.239
at Joe's Pub where I open it with some stand

904
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:41.400
up and I get to go deeper into my theater jokes.

905
00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:44.639
Fred Armisson did a comedy special where it was for drummers,

906
00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:48.960
and it's like, if you never drummed, you're not going.

907
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:50.400
To get most of the jokes.

908
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:53.400
And I'm like, this is for all the people who

909
00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:55.440
this is for theater kids, this is for people who

910
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:58.800
did theater, who do theater, who love theater, and I

911
00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:01.760
can go deeper into the those jokes get more specific

912
00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:04.039
and then I can do I do a lot of

913
00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:06.119
I do a lot of crowd work at my headlining shows,

914
00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:09.719
and I love talking to people about their theater disasters,

915
00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:12.599
the shows they did in high school and what do

916
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:13.920
they do now, How does being.

917
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:14.400
A theater kid.

918
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:16.199
Does it play into their own life now? What are

919
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:18.119
they like when they do karaoke? So I want to

920
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:19.920
create like a show where I could open with my

921
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:22.800
theater standup, go into my theater crowd work, and then

922
00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:26.880
from the podcast side of it, get someone who either

923
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:30.159
used to be a theater kid and now is whatever

924
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:34.239
a lawyer and just an actor, a comedian, or someone

925
00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:37.079
who is on Broadway but did theater when they were younger.

926
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:39.360
I focus on that part of their life and I

927
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:43.639
want to find out about the disastrous performances, the summer

928
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:46.960
camps where they came out of the closet an acting class.

929
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:48.880
I want to hear that story. I want to use

930
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:52.320
the theater to talk about deeper things about their own life,

931
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:56.199
their family, their romantic life, their dreams, their failures, and

932
00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:00.280
then just to make my dreams come true in fuse

933
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:02.280
it with a little bit of singing, so I have

934
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:06.480
my guests sing some songs from their old high school productions,

935
00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:09.159
even if they're totally wrong for it. Lot of there's

936
00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:11.440
a lot of non Jews who played Teva and sitting

937
00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:14.000
around the roofs and I go, here's a space where

938
00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:15.800
I give you permission you can do if I were

939
00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:18.400
a rich man. And then at the end I join

940
00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:21.440
in for a duet from my own theater past. So

941
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:24.719
it's just like a space that I think I can

942
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:29.639
infuse my comedic sensibilities with my love for theater and

943
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:33.000
the nostalgia of a lot of us when we were

944
00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:35.119
in school, was I have a sports or theater that

945
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:38.280
was just the division. And so there's a big swath

946
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:41.880
of people out there who have this experience who, even

947
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:44.519
if they don't love theater, now they did it and

948
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:48.559
they can enjoy talking about it. And I'm really excited

949
00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:52.760
about just making it a more regular show in New

950
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:56.400
York at comedy festivals where I can get a really

951
00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:59.800
cool guest that people are excited to hear about their past,

952
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:03.039
use it to just have conversations that they haven't they

953
00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:05.599
wouldn't have a normal interview circumstance.

954
00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:08.960
I think that'd be great for festivals, definitely great for

955
00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:12.119
New York. I love the feedback of stop talking about

956
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:14.400
theater on your podcast. That's like, hey, Rogan, stop with

957
00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:17.559
the MMA talk like you know, you know. One of

958
00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:19.960
the things if you google you, theater kid tends to

959
00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:20.519
come up.

960
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:23.599
Like Rogan like it's a and shouts people who go

961
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:26.159
into Rogan ago, it's it's another it's an MMA guy,

962
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:27.039
I'll skip this one.

963
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:28.079
And it's yeah, that's fine.

964
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:31.840
That's fine too, And that's why Rogan ultimately he goes

965
00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:35.800
on the it does panel for the MMA and it's okay,

966
00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:38.039
you find a space for your interest too.

967
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:40.440
I'll let you go because we're way over, and I

968
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:42.360
appreciate you giving me so much time. I didn't want

969
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:46.199
to ask you how much you enjoyed Australia. I was

970
00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:48.519
there in twenty fifteen. I just loved it, and it's

971
00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:50.559
not easy to get to, especially for a East Coast,

972
00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:53.360
but I would love to get back and just I

973
00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:56.360
want to someday in my maybe in my sixties. I'm

974
00:49:56.400 --> 00:49:58.599
gonna tell my wife I'm going away for three weeks.

975
00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:00.480
I want to rent a car and just drive around

976
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:04.880
the entire circumference. Growing up in Queens, I'm always attracted

977
00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:08.440
to nothing. If I go out to Arizona or Nevada,

978
00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:10.559
I like going out in the middle of nowhere and

979
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:14.599
being around nothing. So there's something about Australia that appeals

980
00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:17.000
to me because, all right, they're Sydney, there's Millbourne. But

981
00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:19.159
if I go thirty miles that way, I could be

982
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:20.199
in the middle of nowhere.

983
00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:23.360
That's very that's a you sound like an easy vacation,

984
00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:25.119
or that sounds like easy.

985
00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:27.519
It's the I loved Australia.

986
00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:31.079
I think first of all, the comedy was great in

987
00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:33.920
the sense that, like, they know so much about America

988
00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:37.800
that I didn't really have to adjust to what I

989
00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:39.000
wanted to talk about.

990
00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:42.920
I was able to just play with with.

991
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:46.400
Just American topics and they understood everything, and they're excited

992
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:49.119
because they know this is the one time I'm going

993
00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:52.480
to be there, probably for two years maybe, And the

994
00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:56.360
audiences were just so just smart, and we're very much

995
00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:59.000
people who have known my work for years and there

996
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:01.039
was never a chance to see me. So they just

997
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:04.599
bring that excitement to the shows. And in terms of

998
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:10.000
the country, it's the food, it's incredible, the views are astounding. Sydney.

999
00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:14.039
The bridge in Sydney was just so pretty, at night.

1000
00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:17.960
I could never be that chill. The people there are

1001
00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:22.000
very chill. Everything moved at a much slower pace, and

1002
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:24.599
I think after a week and a half I'd be like, oh,

1003
00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:26.880
come on, please, please, can I have a refol of

1004
00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:27.320
my water?

1005
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:28.239
I'm begging you.

1006
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:32.599
But it was really it was a special trip and

1007
00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:35.119
I want to go down even longer next time because

1008
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:36.760
it's just different world, dude.

1009
00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:38.920
And I didn't make it to New Zealand. When I went,

1010
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:40.840
it was long enough ago that I used a travel

1011
00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:43.719
agent to help me put this trip together. Sure, and

1012
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:45.960
the travel agent was like, you can't do Australia New

1013
00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:48.519
Zealand in two weeks, you need that's a separate trip.

1014
00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:50.840
But you hit New Zealand. How was it?

1015
00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:54.760
It was fast and furious. The food was just so great.

1016
00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:58.519
I just got there's so many There's just so much

1017
00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:03.400
like Japanese food in New Zealand, and sashimi which I love,

1018
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:07.400
and fresh fish and I didn't I wasn't really into

1019
00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:10.880
doing the Lord of the Rings thing, and it was

1020
00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:12.159
at the end of the trip, so I was a

1021
00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:15.519
little bit worn out. But just the food, just every

1022
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:19.599
single meal, you go, what are they feeding us in America?

1023
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:20.800
Because everything here.

1024
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:27.519
Is feels fresh, if the blueberries are bigger, and.

1025
00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:28.199
Next time I hope I can hop around the islands

1026
00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:28.760
a little more.

1027
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:31.199
That's awesome, shen Marco. Thank you for your time today.

1028
00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:33.559
Looking forward to seeing you on the Botta Being Comedy

1029
00:52:33.639 --> 00:52:36.000
Jam during US Paul and then coming to to Netflix.

1030
00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:38.920
I appreciate that. Thanks, thank you, appreciate it.

1031
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:41.159
Shenmarco is a razy Thank you for coming on the show,

1032
00:52:41.239 --> 00:52:43.719
repeat guest. He's really fantastic and he is one of

1033
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:46.760
Vulture's comedians that you will know and should know. And

1034
00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:49.639
we'll talk about that list on tomorrow's podcast and see

1035
00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:49.880
it then