May 9, 2025
Jay Leno: Good Guy or Bad Guy?
Johnny Mac covers a variety of comedy topics including John Oliver's critique of a UK version of Saturday Night Live, David Cross's multifaceted career and tour, and Jimmy O. Yang's upcoming show in Hong Kong. The episode also features insights from...
Johnny Mac covers a variety of comedy topics including John Oliver's critique of a UK version of Saturday Night Live, David Cross's multifaceted career and tour, and Jimmy O. Yang's upcoming show in Hong Kong. The episode also features insights from Howie Mandel, Hannah Berner's perspective on reality TV vs. stand-up comedy, and a discussion about Jay Leno's reputation. Lastly, there's a snippet on Graham Norton selling his NYC crash pad.
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00:20 John Oliver on SNL UK
01:08 David Cross's Tour and Projects
02:36 Jimmy O. Yang's Hong Kong Show
04:26 Howie Mandel on Standup Comedy
05:09 Hannah Berner's Standup Journey
06:08 Bill Burr's Political Views
07:34 Jay Leno: Good Guy or Bad Guy?
10:03 Graham Norton's NYC Crash Pad
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Hey there, I'm Johnny Mack with your daily comedy news.
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I'm gonna deliberately do some different names off the top
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of here today. I feel like all week I've just
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been talking about Nate Brighetsi and Bill Burr. It's gonna
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work in some other people, although we'll get to those guys.
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John Oliver says a UK version of Saturday Night Live
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is a terrible idea. John told Seth Meyers, it just
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sounds like a bad idea. We've had sketch comedy before,
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and it just feels like Saturday Night Live is such
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a unique group. It's a cult. I'm trying not to
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say the word. It's a cult, and I don't know
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how you can impose that cult on the UK. Seth
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Meyers asked John to identify the most cult like thing
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about SNL. Oliver said, what night is it? You stay
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up all night? Meyer said Tuesday night. You stay up
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all night and Tuesday. Oliver said, that's ridiculous. I'm saying
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that's the kind of a thing a cult leader would
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make you do. We stay up all night on Tuesdays.
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By the way, John continued, I think it's been proven
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that SNL is the outlier. It does don't have to
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be dictated to the day that you must not sleep
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on that day or the great Leader will be irritated.
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I'm looking forward to Snluk gives me more things to
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talk about. David Cross will be at Bellingham's Mount Baker
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Theater tonight. He explained touring and said, it's what you do.
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You work up a bunch of material and you take
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it on the road, you shoot a special and when
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that airs, you work up new material and then you
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go out again. This set, though, is not quite as
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topical or political as it usually is. That's surprising, isn't it.
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You'd think you'd have something to talk about right now
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because the first half of the set, with one exception,
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is just a true embarrassing situation. I found myself in
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another difference about this tour. Cross stopped in the middle
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of the tour to go to Broadway as part of
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All in a Comedy about Love. Remember that show? It
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had the rotating cast. Cross said it was a limited
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ten week run or something like that, and they asked
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me to be part of it. It was great. It
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was really a feather in my cap. Cross is doing
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all sorts of things He's also on season four of
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Netflix's The Umbrella Academy. He played Zi Grossman and said,
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I don't think I've worked on a show quite like that,
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especially with the reach that one had, and I'd never
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seen it before. I got the offer and it was
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one of those things where it was like, if you
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could do this, you need to fly out. On Monday.
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I shot a couple scenes and then I went back
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and started watching it with my wife and we immediately
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got hooked. Don't worry about David quitting a stand up,
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he says to me. It's just what I do, and
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I'm doing stand up if I'm not working on a
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project or TV show, movie, whatever the thing is. But
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I'm always doing stand up. I've never stopped doing stand up.
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How did he get a podcast, he told the Bellingham Harald.
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I woke up one day and checked the mail and
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there was a thing saying it was my time to
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do a podcast. It was required by the government, and
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my number came up, so I went down to the
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studio and just started doing it. Jimmy O Yang is
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going to do a show in Hong Kong, and the
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Hong Kong press was all excited about this. My comedy
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trackers were like, oh my goodness, Jimmy O Yang is
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doing a show in Hong Kong. He will play the
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Hong Kong Coliseum on June fourteenth. Time Out reminds us
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Yang can speak Cantonese, Shanghai's and Mandarin Chinese, so they
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are guessing some of the material will be in Cantonese
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at the Hong Kong show. Now, at first, I freaked
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out at the ticket prices, which I saw as three
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hundred and eighty, five hundred and eighty and seven hundred
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and eighty dollars. Now, love Jimmy Oyang, but seven hundred
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and eighty dollars is a lot. But then I learned
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I was not aware there is currency called Hong Kong dollar,
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so the prices are in Hong Kong dollars. And as
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I record this, Google tells me seven hundred and eighty
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Hong Kong dollars is one hundred US dollars. So that's
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not too bad. That's reasonable to see Jimmy Oyang, and
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those are the price he seats. I mean, if we
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want to get the three eighty HK dollars, that's just
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fifty bucks. Tickets on sale today at two pm, which
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time zone that I can help you with for HSBC
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credit Card Priority bookings only. So if you're like, I
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gotta go see Jimmy Oh Yang in Hong Kong, I
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suggest you start looking right now. There's also a kluk
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pre sale on May twelfth at noon. Klook, what's that?
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I don't know either, but I'm the one hosting this thing,
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so I guess up to me to figure out what
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kluk is. Google tells us on Kluk you can find
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discounted attraction tickets, tours with unique experiences, and more. They
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seem to purvey in theme park tickets and airport transfers
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and other things. Kluke Time Out reminds us the Hong
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Kong Coliseum, which sounds like you would be this huge building,
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right you think Jumio Yank's playing the eighty thousand people
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know the Hong Kong Coliseum only seats twelve five hundred people.
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We'll see if he adds a second show. Isn't this fun?
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I haven't mentioned Naperghetzi or Bill Burry yet. Howie Mandel
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was on with Nestor from Baltimore Positive. Nestor was curious
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if everyone should try stand up comedy at one point
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in their life, Howie said, I think if everybody got
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up Benet's stand up, it'd be a huge crowd on
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stage and one or two people in the audience. That's funny.
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I love an audience. I think you should be an
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audience member. I think people should sit comfortably in the
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theater and just watch one person on the stage try
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to regalue with humor. I look at it like a
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giant party, and I'm just trying to be the center
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of attention. As for working Clean, Working Blue, how He says, obviously,
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after all these years in the business, I have many
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hours of prepared material, but I love to be reared off,
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whether it be because of something that's happening in the moment,
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technical problems, something else or whatever. I don't have an
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edit button. I'm just a human. Hannah Berner got one
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of those big profiles by the Hollywood Proforter. I'll zero
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in on the stand up comedy part of it, and
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they were curious if Hannah finds it odd to find
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herself on TV doing stand up instead of reality TV.
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Hannah said, these stand up specials my therapy. Reality TV
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was one of the ways I was put on. So
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I'm grateful for it, but I can't watch reality TV anymore.
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I do think reality TV, as I saw, is that
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everyone was put into characters, and you're pretty much putting
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a box. The rampant misogyny. It gave me this chip
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on my shoulder to be like, I want to be
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seen as me. When I say me, I mean all
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the sides of me. I want to put out the vulnerability,
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the mistakes I've made, the confidence I have, the anxiety have.
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If I'm going to be judged, I want to be
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judged based off at least a human rather than an archetype.
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I do think I always emphasize just how women are
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so multifaceted, and I try to in my comedy say
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things that maybe women were afraid of or insecure about,
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so they can say, Hannah just said it, so it
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can't be that bad. Alright, I'm editing on the fly
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here in my a block. Here, I've got leftover Burr
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and Nate. I'm a little NATed out. Want to take
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a Nate break. Let's do Burr. This piece in The
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New Yorker a really good profile with Burr where he
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got political. It is behind a paywall. But if you're
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good at the internet, like really good at the Internet,
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you gotta have like internet skills, you can get to
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this one, or of course, pay for a subscription to
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The New Yorker like I did. Bill said, why is
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there Fox News? Because there were CNN. No president has
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allowed to be president since the first Bush. So what
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he's saying there, because I've read ahead, is that the
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news networks give every president a hard time. Here are
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some examples, Bill Burr. Once they went after Bill Clinton
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for lying about you know, the thing with the intern.
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Let's not go there. Everybody else. George W. Bush, he
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stole the election. Obama, he's not from here. Trump everything
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that he did. Joe Biden, let's get something on him.
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We can't get something. Oh, his kid does cocaine. As
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it helps if a certain percentage of the president's stays
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deal with the other side trying to take him out
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and peach him, which is never gonna happen. Burr, who
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was there to promote Glengary Kelen Ross, said to the interviewer,
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are we gonna talk about the player? Am I just
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gonna come across as the political guy? We've gone out
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three times do you want to go out? I'm recording
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a podcast, but I'm recording the podcast. But I just
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let you out. Okay, I guess I gotta take a break. Boy,
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where were we? The dog does not understand that Johnny
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Man's got a lot to do today. She just snuck
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back in. I had closed the door for a reason.
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All right, she left. We'll see how far I get here.
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There was a good discussion on Threads. I'd asked the
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question just like it did on the podcast. Is Jay
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Leno a good guy or bad guy? Yeah, there's the
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Conan thing, but he seems like a good guy. That's
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when I was reading the stuff about Mavis and yet
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nobody ever seems say good things about him. I got
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some good responses here. Megan responded on Threads, as I'm
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at Daily Comedy News, Howard Stern has nothing good to
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say about him. After reading the War on Late Night book,
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it sounds like he's a backstabber who also wants everyone
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to like him and no hard feelings after he betrays them.
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Someone named Deva V. Wrote when I lived in LA
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in the late nineties, one of my roommates worked on
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The Tonight Show as a page and then eventually as
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a writer. From what I heard, Leno's a great guy
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to work for, and I was able to see his
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real comic self, which is much more cerpic and funny
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than what he was like on the show for obvious reasons. Yeah,
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I've talked about this. If you watch the old Late
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Night with David Letterman Jaylenel appearances, you got the edgy
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Jay Leno, you know, not that he was you know
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Tim Dillon or Andrew Schultz or someone like that, but
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he was a lot edgier than the Tonight Show persona.
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And like I've talked about with Fallon, when you host
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the Tonight Show, that is a particular shade of yourself
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that you have to do because that's what the Tonight
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Show is. John Roy, comic who writes for Vulture, said,
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when I did his show, he was very cool and
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hung out in the green room telling comedy stories. He
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also knew my act, which is rare for the host.
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No other host I worked for did either of those things.
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And then Ford probably had the best take. He wrote,
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Jay is a guy like all other people. There's some
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good and some bad in all of us. And I
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did not react well to this. Somebody came at me
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and wrote, how would you pair off? All your readers
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were asked the same question about you. Also, why are
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you holding him up for a public referendum? You can
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let us know your record, so I did. Here's what
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I wrote. Seriously, Okay, I ran SERIOSXM comedy for ten
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years out of a thirty year radio career. My reputation
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is that I'm a nice guy. I'm sure someone out
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there doesn't like me, because we're all humans and all
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comments on that. My reputation in the industry is that
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I'm a nice guy. Like I wrote to the person back,
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I'm sure someone thinks I'm a jerk fase and I
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can be a jerk fase, and I'm sure people who
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are reading my substack are like, this guy's a jerk phase.
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But I admit I'm writing the substack a little jerky
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for attention to promote the podcasts. So I'm sure people
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that don't actually know me and only read that are
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like that guy is a d and I would get
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it and I would totally understand. But people have actually
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worked with me. My reputation is that I'm pretty cool.
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And then, because I was highly offended, I wrote and
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then I explained the spirit of my inquiry is that
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the guy gets dragged by comics, but in interviews he
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seems nice. Anyway, I thought that was an interesting discussion.
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A real quick let's hit gossip corner. Graham Norton is
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selling his New York City crash pad. Must be nice
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to have a New York City crash pad. Listen to
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this crash pad. He's selling it for five point six
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million dollars. The murray Hill carriage House on Sniff and Court,
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which is a private gates muse Now I grew up
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in New York City. I'm like, where is Sniff and Court?
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And apparently it's this little street that is gated in
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Manhattan's murray Hill neighborhood. Sniff and Court has just ten residences.
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The homes were built in eighteen sixty three and eighteen
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sixty four. It's horse stables. At the turn of the
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twentieth century they were converted into single family townhouses. I
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looked at the pictures, which you'll find on the rob Report.
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Pretty nice looking place. The great room has fifteen foot ceilings,
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a fireplace, there's a dining room. The second floor guest
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bedroom has a marble bathroom. The third floor has the
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primary suite. There's even a rooftop. Not bad. Five point
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six million dollars if you got the cash. I don't.
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I wish I did, because the place looks pretty dorn, snazzy,
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