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Hello again, I'm Johnny Mac. Another bonus Jimmy Kimmel episode.
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So what this is. This is a crossover episode with
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The Letterman Podcast. Mike Chisholm and I jumped in the
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respective studios and talked for about an hour about Jimmy Kimmel.
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I do want to, just in case you're just catching
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this episode, clear up what the feed is. So it
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is Thursday. There was the normal episode on Thursday morning,
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there was a bonus episode about Kimmel. You're hearing this now.
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Then on Friday morning there will be a normal episode
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where I don't talk about Kimmel at all because I
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had recorded that before any of this happened. And then
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I will come back on Friday afternoon and do another
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Kimmel episode. But let's just jump in with Mike Chisholm
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from the Great The Letterman Podcast.
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All right, Johnny Mack. I like that we do this.
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I do not like the reason that we do this. Lately,
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I will talk with you all the time. I just
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I appreciate you so much and everything that you contribute
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to the world of this thing that we love so much,
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which is comedy. Everybody daily comedy news podcast. Subscribe, listen
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to it every day. It's awesome, Johnny, What the heck
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is going on with Late Night?
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This is insane. I'm still as we record. We're what
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nineteen hours into this news story? Twenty hours in? Yeah,
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my head is still spinning. I dropped a bonus episode
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on my feet on Wednesday night. I was just reacting,
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couldt I'm just so stunned by this, and forget about
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what I have been calling Colbert Gate. This is a
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whole other level for reasons, we will get into this.
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This is not Oh, your show's losing forty million dollars
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and we didn't want to ruin your vacation. This something
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else entirely.
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Yep, I could not agree more. I've got two things
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going against me. Number One, I'm Canadian, so I don't
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quite understand the nuances of everything going on down there.
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So I've got some questions on that. Number two is
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that I'm a buffoon, and so I need to talk
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to people who know more about these things than I do.
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To me, there's a couple of issues here. People are
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talking about free speech, free speech, free speech, okay, but
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then there's also broadcast standards, the rules that need to
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be adhered to and if those were violated. And perhaps
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there's a third one, which is personal taste. So everything
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with free speech checks out, everything with broadcast standards checks out.
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But the personal taste is now such that it has
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irked people who can make decisions on that. In your opinion,
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what are we dealing with here?
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Sure, so let me speak to the FCC part of it,
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and I'll approach this the way I do in my
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college classes. Legal scholars will be able to nitpick what
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I'm saying here. I don't want to use the phrase
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dumb it down, but I'm simplifying. Please do for a
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realizing to get the point across succinctly. So, the FCC
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governs the airwaves as we used to call them AMNFM, radio,
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broadcast television. Those are scarce resources. So if you look
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at the FM dial in the United States, if you
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look at the New York City FM stations, there's one
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at ninety two point three, the next one's at ninety
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three point one, the next ones at ninety three point nine, etc.
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They're all point eight apart.
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YEP.
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That is so that the radio stations don't step over
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each other, and we regulate that if you and I
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started a pirate radio station at ninety two point five,
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it would interfere with ninety two point three. So we
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have government oversight to say, Okay, this station goes here,
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that station goes there.
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Go.
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The same logic applies to television. Okay, because those are
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scarce resources. We don't have infinite band, we want to
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make sure that they're properly taken care of. In the
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public interest as a phrase, you hear a lot in
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the public interest. As part of that, you shouldn't be reckless.
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And there are things you can do that could have
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your license to broadcast on such frequencies AMFM television taken away. Yes,
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the government cannot as to risk.
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Maybe they can.
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But up until yesterday morning, I would have said, cannot
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take your station away because they don't like what you're saying. Now,
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there are rules. There can be corporate rules, there can
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be federal rules. For example, you can't swear on broadcast
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television on HBO where all you want, but HBO is
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coming to you. And again i'm simplifying through a wire
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it is cable television as a term. Maybe you're getting
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a satellite or over the internet, whatever you're not using
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the spectrum to receive HBO, so it does not apply.
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I worked at satellite radio, same thing that wasn't governed
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by the FCC. We still chose not to yell fire
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in a crowded theater, but we could drop f bombs
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we want. The other thing about things like swear language
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is the FCC is not staffed and does not spend
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their day going around playing gotcha. So you could go
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on ninety two point three FM and go ffff and
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just curse for two hours, and if no one complains,
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there won't be an investigation because no one has complained. Yes,
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if someone complains, then they'll investigate, and you know there's
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recordings or whatever will be like, oh, this guy, Mike,
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he broke the rules, and then that would normally be
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a fine. We will find your radio station. For the
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twenty three times Mike broke the rules and you're scolded
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to go straight to taking away a license is off
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the charts. Extreme. I used to work for WOR Radio
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under Buckley Broadcasting, who had acquired the station from RKO.
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Now at some point my memory's foggy. Here o r
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KO was, I'll cute it up, strongly encouraged to sell
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all their radio stations to get out of the business
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for whatever they did wrong.
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So it was was the rehorse head involved.
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Something like that, Right, so sell the stations or we're
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taking them away. Okay, And I heard Keith Oberman say
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this on his podcast. Keith was unable to think of
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he could not recall a time when a TV license
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was taken away. I cannot and I can't easily recall
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a radio license being taken away other than for maybe
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for like you know, you haven't actually broadcast on your
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frequency in years, you've clearly abandoned it, so we're taking
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your license away, that sort of thing.
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Okay, let's hit a pause here for a question. Let's
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go back to perhaps an example that that we would
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when the Smothers Brothers were pulled. It had nothing to
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do with what you're talking about here, licenses being pulled
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and the actual right to be in business and broadcasting. Correct,
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that's that's that's not the same thing.
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No, not at all. These Smothers Brothers, much like Jimmy
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Kimmel said some things that were based in opinion. Yes,
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network chose not to back that opinion. And I want
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to get into the let me sidebar here for a
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second too. I've worked a lot of big companies. You
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back your talent that was drilled into me by those
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who game before me. You back your talent. You may
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have a conversation in the back room and be like, hey, Mike,
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can you cut it out with the Canadian stuff?
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You know, let's get that a lot.
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Yes, Yes, Publicly, I'm not going to shun you. I'm
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going to say, you know, Mike's been an outstanding host
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for us. We love the Letterman podcast. We continued, you know,
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we're going to continue to work together for years to come. Now,
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in the back room we might be like, dude, the
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advertisers are like it, right, enough with the Colbert stuff,
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get back to Dave. But that's a whole separate thing. Publicly,
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we're going to support you. So this news on Wednesday
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that I was in the car, I was telling the
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story in my show. I was picking up my nephew
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at the train station. I played on my phone, and
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while I was playing on my phone, it was that
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the next Star stations were pulling Kimble, which was a
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big enough story, and within ten minutes it had evolved
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into ABC is pulling Jimmy kimmelive pulling, not even like,
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you know, we're gonna run a rerun tonight because he
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has a cold, which is you know, something you could do.
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Jimmy's not feeling well today. That kind of stuff goes
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on Straight's a poll, Are you kidding me?
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And ABC is owned by Disney? But these are big numbers,
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these are big players, big numbers, these are big things.
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Here's what I'm saying.
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So I was talking to some friends about that. You know, Hey,
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you know we're mad. We're gonna boycott ABC. We're we're
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gonna take this out on ABC. Okay, boycotters, and I
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emotionally support you. Yeah, but I'll ask the boycotters. While
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you're boycotting ABC, are you also boycotting Disney, Hulu, Star Wars, Marvelville?
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Yep?
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Are you boycotting all that too? Because you're either boycotting
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or you're not. And I'm as much as I support
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Kimmel in all this, I think you're not.
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Yeah, that's right. Well, okay, so I'm really grateful that
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you framed it that way, and even in the aside,
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because my phone started blowing up at the moment of
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the Kimmel announcement. And I think a lot of people
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don't even know what you just said. Is that, well,
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hold on a second. Twenty minutes before a very important
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piece of the puzzle was placed, and it was done
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so in plain sight. But many people aren't talking about
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that right now. So can we go into that a
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little bit. How big of a deal is that within
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the broadcasting world.
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To have stations pull a show has happened in the past.
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There were ABC affiliates that didn't show NYPD Blue until
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they got over themselves and aired NYPD Blue. There have
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been shit.
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as well. Right, sure you do you? Yeah? Do you? Yep?
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I think there were forgive me if this is inaccurate.
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I think there were some stations that didn't air the
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Carol O'Connor series in the heat of the night for
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whatever reasons.
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One might make that decision.
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the discussion of, well, hey, if you guys are going
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to be an affiliate, you probably should air our programming,
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and you know you can break up and all that.
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But to further the timeline, a few hours before the
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next star piece of it. The FCC chair was on
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a YouTube podcast and made some comments about Kimmel and
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how Disney better do something, and it was a little loaded,
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and I think things escalated very quickly. Many people are
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looking at this story as through the lens of Jimmy
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Kimmel said horrible things. He shouldn't be on the air.
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But the real story is the FCC chair going Hey,
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wouldn't be the worst thing if Jimmy Kimmel weren't on
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the air. I'm just saying, sometimes people who lose licenses,
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you know, you never know what happens in this world.
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And it's really about the FCC pressure on the stations,
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which again, to come full circle, Jimmy Kimmel didn't get
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on and go fffff, which would have resulted in a fine. Yep,
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this is Oh, we've got a late night host who
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said things that somebody doesn't like, and things rolled downhill. Yes,
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and then actually the President of the United States later
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in the day tweeted that NBC should get rid of
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Fallon and seth next. Now, let's stop off there. Even
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in a world where we're like, you know what, we
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shouldn't be criticizing our leaders. We shouldn't be making jokes
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about our leaders. So this seth Meyers fellow. He has
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to go to Yep, even if I flip that card,
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we're coming after Jimmy Fallon. Jimmy Fallon's biting, cutting edge
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political commentary. Exactly what's going on here.
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Yeah, So let's precurse that what you just talked about
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there to when the announcement of Stephen Colbert came to light.
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The last time we did an emergency podcast, President Trump
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at that point, what was the first thing he said?
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Celebration about Colbert, Kimmel's next, Kimmel's next, and now, and
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then you have people who now, okay, So here's the
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other question that I have. How is the FCC an
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independent organization or are they a full on government organization
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where literally, like you said, things roll down hill from
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the top, a decision could be made and it could
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roll downhill and just be this is now our mandate.
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I e. We don't like Jimmy Kimmel.
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I don't know the legal structure of where on the
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on the government organizational chart the FCC falls, but they
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are the government regulate of the public airwaves. Again, if
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on the Jimmy Kimmel podcast, he could do whatever he wants,
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and he could broadcast from his boat in the middle
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of the Pacific, and if he has an RSS feed,
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he can get his thing out there. And that has
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nothing to do.
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With for now. What you're saying is for now, we
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can't well for now.
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Live airing on ABC doesn't have their own Peacock. But
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if you know Jimmy Kimme alive on Peacock or Disney
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Plus or Disney Plus straight to Disney Plus without touching
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the public airwaves, that has nothing to do with the FCC.