Sept. 18, 2025

Jimmy Kimmel Controversy: In-Depth Analysis and Discussion with The Letterman Podcast

Jimmy Kimmel Controversy: In-Depth Analysis and Discussion with The Letterman Podcast
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Johnny Mac joins Mike Chisholm from the Letterman Podcast for an in-depth discussion about the recent controversy surrounding Jimmy Kimmel. The episode clarifies the episode lineup for the week and dives into the details of the Kimmel story, discussing FCC regulations, broadcast standards, and the implications of free speech. They also examine the public and governmental reactions, the potential fallout for Kimmel and other late-night hosts, and broader concerns about media regulation and freedom of expression. The conversation touches on historical context, the evolution of late-night comedy, and the personal perspectives of both hosts.

This is the second bonus episode today (Thursday September 18th)

The episiode in the feed before this is a bonus of Johnny Mac recapping the day's developments.

The episode in the feed before that is a normal episode of DCN that does not address Kimmel as the episode had already been recorded.

Tomorrow morning's episode will be a normal episode that does not address Kimmel as the episode had already been recorded.


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Callaroga Shark Media.

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Hello again, I'm Johnny Mac. Another bonus Jimmy Kimmel episode.

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So what this is. This is a crossover episode with

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The Letterman Podcast. Mike Chisholm and I jumped in the

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respective studios and talked for about an hour about Jimmy Kimmel.

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I do want to, just in case you're just catching

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this episode, clear up what the feed is. So it

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is Thursday. There was the normal episode on Thursday morning,

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there was a bonus episode about Kimmel. You're hearing this now.

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Then on Friday morning there will be a normal episode

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where I don't talk about Kimmel at all because I

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had recorded that before any of this happened. And then

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I will come back on Friday afternoon and do another

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Kimmel episode. But let's just jump in with Mike Chisholm

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from the Great The Letterman Podcast.

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All right, Johnny Mack. I like that we do this.

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I do not like the reason that we do this. Lately,

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I will talk with you all the time. I just

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I appreciate you so much and everything that you contribute

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to the world of this thing that we love so much,

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which is comedy. Everybody daily comedy news podcast. Subscribe, listen

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to it every day. It's awesome, Johnny, What the heck

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is going on with Late Night?

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This is insane. I'm still as we record. We're what

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nineteen hours into this news story? Twenty hours in? Yeah,

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my head is still spinning. I dropped a bonus episode

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on my feet on Wednesday night. I was just reacting,

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couldt I'm just so stunned by this, and forget about

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what I have been calling Colbert Gate. This is a

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whole other level for reasons, we will get into this.

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This is not Oh, your show's losing forty million dollars

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and we didn't want to ruin your vacation. This something

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else entirely.

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Yep, I could not agree more. I've got two things

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going against me. Number One, I'm Canadian, so I don't

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quite understand the nuances of everything going on down there.

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So I've got some questions on that. Number two is

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that I'm a buffoon, and so I need to talk

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to people who know more about these things than I do.

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To me, there's a couple of issues here. People are

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talking about free speech, free speech, free speech, okay, but

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then there's also broadcast standards, the rules that need to

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be adhered to and if those were violated. And perhaps

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there's a third one, which is personal taste. So everything

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with free speech checks out, everything with broadcast standards checks out.

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But the personal taste is now such that it has

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irked people who can make decisions on that. In your opinion,

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what are we dealing with here?

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Sure, so let me speak to the FCC part of it,

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and I'll approach this the way I do in my

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college classes. Legal scholars will be able to nitpick what

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I'm saying here. I don't want to use the phrase

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dumb it down, but I'm simplifying. Please do for a

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realizing to get the point across succinctly. So, the FCC

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governs the airwaves as we used to call them AMNFM, radio,

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broadcast television. Those are scarce resources. So if you look

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at the FM dial in the United States, if you

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look at the New York City FM stations, there's one

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at ninety two point three, the next one's at ninety

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three point one, the next ones at ninety three point nine, etc.

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They're all point eight apart.

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YEP.

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That is so that the radio stations don't step over

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each other, and we regulate that if you and I

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started a pirate radio station at ninety two point five,

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it would interfere with ninety two point three. So we

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have government oversight to say, Okay, this station goes here,

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that station goes there.

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Go.

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The same logic applies to television. Okay, because those are

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scarce resources. We don't have infinite band, we want to

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make sure that they're properly taken care of. In the

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public interest as a phrase, you hear a lot in

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the public interest. As part of that, you shouldn't be reckless.

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And there are things you can do that could have

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your license to broadcast on such frequencies AMFM television taken away. Yes,

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the government cannot as to risk.

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Maybe they can.

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But up until yesterday morning, I would have said, cannot

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take your station away because they don't like what you're saying. Now,

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there are rules. There can be corporate rules, there can

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be federal rules. For example, you can't swear on broadcast

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television on HBO where all you want, but HBO is

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coming to you. And again i'm simplifying through a wire

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it is cable television as a term. Maybe you're getting

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a satellite or over the internet, whatever you're not using

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the spectrum to receive HBO, so it does not apply.

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I worked at satellite radio, same thing that wasn't governed

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by the FCC. We still chose not to yell fire

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in a crowded theater, but we could drop f bombs

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we want. The other thing about things like swear language

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is the FCC is not staffed and does not spend

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their day going around playing gotcha. So you could go

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on ninety two point three FM and go ffff and

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just curse for two hours, and if no one complains,

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there won't be an investigation because no one has complained. Yes,

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if someone complains, then they'll investigate, and you know there's

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recordings or whatever will be like, oh, this guy, Mike,

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he broke the rules, and then that would normally be

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a fine. We will find your radio station. For the

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twenty three times Mike broke the rules and you're scolded

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to go straight to taking away a license is off

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the charts. Extreme. I used to work for WOR Radio

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under Buckley Broadcasting, who had acquired the station from RKO.

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Now at some point my memory's foggy. Here o r

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KO was, I'll cute it up, strongly encouraged to sell

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all their radio stations to get out of the business

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for whatever they did wrong.

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So it was was the rehorse head involved.

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Something like that, Right, so sell the stations or we're

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taking them away. Okay, And I heard Keith Oberman say

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this on his podcast. Keith was unable to think of

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he could not recall a time when a TV license

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was taken away. I cannot and I can't easily recall

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a radio license being taken away other than for maybe

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for like you know, you haven't actually broadcast on your

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frequency in years, you've clearly abandoned it, so we're taking

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your license away, that sort of thing.

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Okay, let's hit a pause here for a question. Let's

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go back to perhaps an example that that we would

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when the Smothers Brothers were pulled. It had nothing to

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do with what you're talking about here, licenses being pulled

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and the actual right to be in business and broadcasting. Correct,

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that's that's that's not the same thing.

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No, not at all. These Smothers Brothers, much like Jimmy

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Kimmel said some things that were based in opinion. Yes,

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network chose not to back that opinion. And I want

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to get into the let me sidebar here for a

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second too. I've worked a lot of big companies. You

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back your talent that was drilled into me by those

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who game before me. You back your talent. You may

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have a conversation in the back room and be like, hey, Mike,

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can you cut it out with the Canadian stuff?

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You know, let's get that a lot.

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Yes, Yes, Publicly, I'm not going to shun you. I'm

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going to say, you know, Mike's been an outstanding host

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for us. We love the Letterman podcast. We continued, you know,

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we're going to continue to work together for years to come. Now,

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in the back room we might be like, dude, the

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advertisers are like it, right, enough with the Colbert stuff,

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get back to Dave. But that's a whole separate thing. Publicly,

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we're going to support you. So this news on Wednesday

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that I was in the car, I was telling the

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story in my show. I was picking up my nephew

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at the train station. I played on my phone, and

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while I was playing on my phone, it was that

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the next Star stations were pulling Kimble, which was a

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big enough story, and within ten minutes it had evolved

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into ABC is pulling Jimmy kimmelive pulling, not even like,

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you know, we're gonna run a rerun tonight because he

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has a cold, which is you know, something you could do.

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Jimmy's not feeling well today. That kind of stuff goes

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on Straight's a poll, Are you kidding me?

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And ABC is owned by Disney? But these are big numbers,

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these are big players, big numbers, these are big things.

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Here's what I'm saying.

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So I was talking to some friends about that. You know, Hey,

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you know we're mad. We're gonna boycott ABC. We're we're

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gonna take this out on ABC. Okay, boycotters, and I

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emotionally support you. Yeah, but I'll ask the boycotters. While

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you're boycotting ABC, are you also boycotting Disney, Hulu, Star Wars, Marvelville?

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Yep?

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Are you boycotting all that too? Because you're either boycotting

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or you're not. And I'm as much as I support

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Kimmel in all this, I think you're not.

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Yeah, that's right. Well, okay, so I'm really grateful that

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you framed it that way, and even in the aside,

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because my phone started blowing up at the moment of

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the Kimmel announcement. And I think a lot of people

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don't even know what you just said. Is that, well,

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hold on a second. Twenty minutes before a very important

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piece of the puzzle was placed, and it was done

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so in plain sight. But many people aren't talking about

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that right now. So can we go into that a

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little bit. How big of a deal is that within

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the broadcasting world.

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To have stations pull a show has happened in the past.

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There were ABC affiliates that didn't show NYPD Blue until

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they got over themselves and aired NYPD Blue. There have

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been shit.

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And affiliates have switched networks because of things like this

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as well. Right, sure you do you? Yeah? Do you? Yep?

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I think there were forgive me if this is inaccurate.

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I think there were some stations that didn't air the

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Carol O'Connor series in the heat of the night for

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whatever reasons.

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One might make that decision.

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So affiliates can do this, and then you get into

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the discussion of, well, hey, if you guys are going

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to be an affiliate, you probably should air our programming,

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and you know you can break up and all that.

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But to further the timeline, a few hours before the

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next star piece of it. The FCC chair was on

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a YouTube podcast and made some comments about Kimmel and

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how Disney better do something, and it was a little loaded,

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and I think things escalated very quickly. Many people are

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looking at this story as through the lens of Jimmy

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Kimmel said horrible things. He shouldn't be on the air.

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But the real story is the FCC chair going Hey,

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wouldn't be the worst thing if Jimmy Kimmel weren't on

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the air. I'm just saying, sometimes people who lose licenses,

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you know, you never know what happens in this world.

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And it's really about the FCC pressure on the stations,

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which again, to come full circle, Jimmy Kimmel didn't get

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on and go fffff, which would have resulted in a fine. Yep,

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this is Oh, we've got a late night host who

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said things that somebody doesn't like, and things rolled downhill. Yes,

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and then actually the President of the United States later

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in the day tweeted that NBC should get rid of

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Fallon and seth next. Now, let's stop off there. Even

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in a world where we're like, you know what, we

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shouldn't be criticizing our leaders. We shouldn't be making jokes

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about our leaders. So this seth Meyers fellow. He has

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to go to Yep, even if I flip that card,

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we're coming after Jimmy Fallon. Jimmy Fallon's biting, cutting edge

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political commentary. Exactly what's going on here.

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Yeah, So let's precurse that what you just talked about

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there to when the announcement of Stephen Colbert came to light.

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The last time we did an emergency podcast, President Trump

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at that point, what was the first thing he said?

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Celebration about Colbert, Kimmel's next, Kimmel's next, and now, and

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then you have people who now, okay, So here's the

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other question that I have. How is the FCC an

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independent organization or are they a full on government organization

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where literally, like you said, things roll down hill from

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the top, a decision could be made and it could

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roll downhill and just be this is now our mandate.

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I e. We don't like Jimmy Kimmel.

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on the government organizational chart the FCC falls, but they

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are the government regulate of the public airwaves. Again, if

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on the Jimmy Kimmel podcast, he could do whatever he wants,

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and he could broadcast from his boat in the middle

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of the Pacific, and if he has an RSS feed,

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he can get his thing out there. And that has

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nothing to do.

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With for now. What you're saying is for now, we

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can't well for now.

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But the crux here, even a version of Jimmy Kimmel

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if you know Jimmy Kimme alive on Peacock or Disney

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Plus or Disney Plus straight to Disney Plus without touching

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the public airwaves, that has nothing to do with the FCC.

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when when Disney Plus wants to merge with Peacock, maybe

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we'll throw a wrench in the wheels, you know, maybe

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that kind of thing. But the crux here is you're

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using your airwaves to say things we don't like, and

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we're going to take your license away. And the stations went, ooh,

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we don't want to lose our license because then your

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business goes from X million dollars to you have no

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asset at all, right, which is scary, Yes, but you

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and I were I think I did this publicly in

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the Facebook, in your Facebook group, and I keep thinking

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of Edward Rmorrow.

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I can't stop thinking of.

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right back, Okay.

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So let's connect it just a little bit more. Okay.

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So this this thing that's happening with Next Star, there's

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a merger as well, is there not? Did I read that?

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as well, but that could have been the One thing

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that I do I do not appreciate about the world

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right now is the amount of fake, like headline like

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clickbait type news that's out there. And that was something

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that I did read that there's a there's some sort

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of merger that's upcoming as well. But the startling thing

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about this is, like you said, two different issues here,

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the idea of taking a host unpopular opinion in certain

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circles and allowing that retribution to occur. In your mind,

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has that ever happened? Has on this scale? Has this

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ever happened?

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So there's the court of public opinion. You know, nothing

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is coming to mind, but there could be a scenario

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where someone on TV says something and then there is

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public outrage and then this person either gets put in

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time out or I'm sure if I took a second

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think here, there's plenty of examples of people having gigs

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that abruptly end because they said.

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Something totally Yeah, Jimmy.

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The Greek, I think his career may have ended. The

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old CBS betting guy, I think his career may have

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ended abruptly. And my apologies to the Greek family if

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I'm misremembering that. But uh, you know, there have been

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a couple things that.

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The Greek family. Yeah, apologies to the Greek family, but yes.

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There have been some things like that. So sure, but

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that's the court of public opinion, where that is the

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court of yo. The advertisers aren't going to support this anymore,

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you know that that's a thing. But this is seemingly

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pressure from the Federal Communications Commission.

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what he said. I've had a lot of people maybe

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we can Okay, So you've thank you so much for

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that background. I appreciate it very very much. It provides

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a lot of insight. There's a lot of people I

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don't think that even knew about. Again, that previous fifteen minutes. Proverbially,

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I want to talk about I've had a lot of

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people reach out to me. I've talked to like eight

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former Letterman staffers, all which I'm not going to name

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any of what we've said in our conversations. One of

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them said, and soberingly, this is the end of democracy

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as we know it. I want to talk a little

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bit about what he said. A lot of people have

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said to me, Oh, what would have Dave? How would

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Dave have handled the Charlie Kirk situation? And my word,

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you know, we could go into that too, but I

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want to talk about what he said, and let's get

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to the free speech aspect of it, and the and

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the and the was what he said really like, I'm

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not going to say it's not in poor taste. Somebody

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just was killed very publicly, and they've got a family

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and they've got like so there's always that part of it.

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There always is. Now the asterix is many times late

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eight host comics too soon? Is it too soon? No?

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Can I start making fun of this now? And they

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make fun of things right so we know that this

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is the culture that does exist.

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Was what Jimmy Kimmel said over the line as I

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put together my podcast this week. On Wednesday, when I

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was putting together Friday show, I saw that Newsweek had

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an article about people reacting to Jimmy Kimmel's comments. I

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clicked on it, I read it, and I didn't even

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put it in my script. It wasn't a thought.

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I did not read that. And let me say loudly

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and clearly, no one should be murdered.

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No one.

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at all, and I didn't put it in a script.

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And a lot of things make it into daily comedy news,

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and I didn't even put that one in. So I

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personally didn't read Kimmel's comments. I still haven't heard him

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speak them. I've only read them. Yes, me too, personally

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did not freak out. Now, if you want to get

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into the too soon or all that, the opposite of

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too soon is if you go back to last week,

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the first thing Kimmel said, and maybe as you talk,

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I'll pull up on my phone he said something like,

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can we all just be decent people for a day

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and not get into this? So I'm gonna look that

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Yeah, no, please do I'll talk a little bit too.

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One thing I do want to throw out there real quick, Like,

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I've had so many people saying, oh, Dave would have

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diad this, and Dave would have said that. Hold on

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a second. In my opinion, David Letterman like, let's go

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back to OJ for a second. The O. J. Simpson thing.

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going past Late Show and the ratings partially because Jay

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Leno made fun of the hoopla around the OJ Simpson trial,

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which was back in the day, believe it or not,

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you know, one of the top things that all of

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pop culture was talking about was this O. J. Simpson

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trus Dave famously said I don't find double homicide funny

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and said, let's steer away from that, and Jay went

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full force into making fun of all of that. So,

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to me, the sensibility of Late Night slash Late Show

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when making any political humor was to celebrate. To me,

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it was to celebrate the buffoonery of it. President Bush

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the second, you know, walks into a wall, you know,

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knows first, Okay, let's celebrate that. Let's let's let's make

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fun of that. You know, he called President Clinton bubba Okay,

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So so it's not like it's not like he didn't

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make fun of things, but he made fun of buffoonery

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as opposed to trying to weave into it, which is

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I don't know if it was The Daily Show or

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whatever it was, but we've into it political commentary or

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social commentary into the joke at the same time. In

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my opinion, that wasn't Dave's thing. That wasn't Dave's thing.

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He might go for a hidden meeting or some irony

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maybe under the surface of the joke, but that would

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be the limit of it. I don't believe Dave would

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have touched this with a twelve foot poll other than

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to maybe book people who talk about the polarization of

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our of our of our society, and people are listening

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to words and going out and inciting violent those words

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are inciting violence. I think Dave would maybe comment on

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that in a serious way with a guest. I don't

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think he would have touched in his monologues making fun

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of I don't think he would have touched Charlie Kirk.

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That's just my opinion, and that's to answer probably thirty

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people's questions they've asked me the same thing so or

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they've talked about it, so I just want to throw

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that out there.

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I've noticed more and more on my own show just

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how much of a Letterman influence there is. I will

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I will one of the reasons I like it, John,

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I will drop an uh that I don't need to

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and it's not me doing a filler word, but I

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will do the Letterman the quote from Jimmy Kimmel and

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I didn't need to do that other and that is

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a thing that's just in my brain from Dave. The

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thing we're going to talk about here is just a

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Davism that's in my brain from when I was fourteen

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years old. Yes, I share his sensibility. I've struggled with this.

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If you listen to my pod, YEP, I have been

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thank you. I have been saying. What I want to

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do is make fun of Jim Gaffigan signing bottles at

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a Kroger, which is a thing that happened last weekend.

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I feel Jim Gaffigan doing a bottle signing for his

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whiskey at a Kroger is exactly what I want to do.

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I want to nitpick Adams saying their movies. I don't

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want to talk about somebody being assassinated, but I do

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have to talk about Jimmy Kimmel not being pulled off

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the air, and to do the story properly. Now I

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have to. There's clearly some political things to it. I'm

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not trying to debate mister Kirk's work or nots, although

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I need to have I have just now before I

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started talking to you, I did some research to learn

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more about him. I will encourage people google the phrase

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controversial Charlie Kirk quotes and then choose an international source

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of your choice. So you're not being biased by the

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US media. Why don't you read some European articles about it, Yeah,

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and then you can form your own opinion on how

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you feel about what he had to say. Again, no

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one ever, ever should be murdered, exactly Jimmy Kimmel on

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day one. I found the quote Jimmy Kimmel said on

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September tenth, instead of the angry finger pointing, can we

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just for one day agreed that it's horrible and monstrous

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to shoot another human on behalf of my family. We

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send love to the Kirks and to the children, parents,

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and innocence who fall victim to senseless gun violence. And

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you hear me choking up even reading that. I know,

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I know, I'm gonna run this guy out of town.

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Exactly. Yeah, that's right. And that's that we talked about

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clickbait earlier with headlines and whatnot. That's a sentence or

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two with no context. Is how we live of People

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will pull out the eight words that somebody says, the

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fragment of a sentence that somebody says on a podcast

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and say, oh, and they'll point at it completely out

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of out of context. And I believe that that is

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certainly certainly happening here on a larger scale when you

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go back six days, five days, whatever it was. At

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the same time, I look at what he said, so

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let's take yes, murders and again taste too soon all

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of that. I don't know that what he said is

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something that in a sane world is actionable. I can't.

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I'm having a hard time seeing it. And I tried

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to put it through the lens of Okay, what if

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it was a very liberal person and and some stereotypical situation,

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you know, a gun son of a gun showed up

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and did what they did, would it be the same

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reaction I've been looking at it that way as well,

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and I'm trying to put the words over it. I

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don't I can see why people would be upset about

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that commentary or that that opinion, if you want to

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take the humor or the attempted humor out of it.

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But I don't see it being actionable. But again, Canadian

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and a buffoon. I don't know why. But is it actionable? Again?

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The network can have their own standards, Yeah, the advertisers.

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Do you have influence on all these things?

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Right?

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It's that it's a federal thing. I mean, what happens

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if someone doesn't like the opinion piece in Tomorrow's New

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York Times? What happens if somebody doesn't like this podcast?

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Can I stay in your extra room, Mike, Like, this

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is just not the way things have been up until

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this point. Are you hip to the Brian Kilmead comments

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from over the weekend? I'm not, No, okay, I have

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to pull this up correctly, because again I don't want

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00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:52.680
to misquote people. I know it's laying the guy playing

465
00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:54.200
on his phone during it.

466
00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:56.559
No, no, no, no, we're good, We're good. I'm I'm about

467
00:24:56.599 --> 00:24:58.799
four days behind everything right now because last week, I

468
00:24:58.799 --> 00:25:02.599
was in Calgary seeing Public Enemy. Interviewed Chuck D. And

469
00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:05.160
he's like a huge Letterman fan, talked about his I

470
00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:07.519
interviewed him for six minutes. That's gonna come out, hopefully,

471
00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:08.720
Chuck D's coming on the show and he's going to

472
00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:11.960
talk about his love for Letterman. But yeah, no, no, no,

473
00:25:12.200 --> 00:25:13.960
So if you if you put these in your in

474
00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:16.240
your show, already forgive me. I'm a couple of days

475
00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:16.680
behind it.

476
00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:20.200
So Brian kill Mead was on Fox and Friends. Yeah,

477
00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:24.599
they were discussing the mentally ill homeless challenges the United

478
00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:25.440
States is facing.

479
00:25:25.880 --> 00:25:28.119
Yep, we are too.

480
00:25:28.160 --> 00:25:31.119
By the way, reading verbatim here, then kill me chimed

481
00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:37.920
in quote or involuntarily or involuntary lethal injection or something.

482
00:25:38.079 --> 00:25:41.680
Just kill him? Oh okay, so yes, yes, yes, this

483
00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:44.240
I am familiar with that. I haven't gone into it deeper.

484
00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:45.799
Is there more context to that quote?

485
00:25:46.519 --> 00:25:48.039
It was just a discussion of what are we going

486
00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:49.160
to do with these homeless people?

487
00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:50.039
Let's kill him?

488
00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:50.799
Excuse me?

489
00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:50.880
What?

490
00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:56.759
Ye? Mister kill Mead has apologized yep, and he still

491
00:25:56.799 --> 00:25:59.880
has his job. I don't know what Jimmy Kimmel was

492
00:25:59.880 --> 00:26:02.759
going to do during Wednesday's monologue, he apparently was going

493
00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:05.599
to address this situation. I don't know if he was

494
00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:11.240
going to comment, apologize, you know, maybe he changed his

495
00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:13.799
own opinion, Maybe he was going to double down. Maybe

496
00:26:13.799 --> 00:26:15.279
he was going to meet in the middle and be like,

497
00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:17.839
you know, I didn't I'm Jimmy Kimmel. I don't come

498
00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:19.720
out here to be a jerk Monday night. And you

499
00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:21.440
know some people took it the wrong way. Let me

500
00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:24.200
clarify further and do one of those type monologues. Yeah,

501
00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:25.920
or maybe he was just going to do Trump jokes

502
00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:30.319
for twelve minutes. I don't know, but you know, we

503
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:32.359
gave mister kill meat the benefit of the doubt. He's

504
00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:33.000
still got a gig.

505
00:26:34.279 --> 00:26:37.119
There we go. Yeah, we'll talk about context. That adds

506
00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:40.519
a tremendous amount there. That's right now. I mean we're

507
00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:44.000
again if there is a merger happening or this big business,

508
00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:47.119
these big business behind the scenes with him, doesn't sound

509
00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:50.279
like there was any of There's plenty with Kimmel. And again,

510
00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:53.279
it's just so the idea that if President Trump behind

511
00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:55.839
closed doors, you know when he makes that here's the

512
00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:59.039
thing about me, is a Canadian listening to the things

513
00:26:59.039 --> 00:27:02.559
that come from down south and come up. One of

514
00:27:02.599 --> 00:27:04.759
the things the opinions that myself and a couple of

515
00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:08.920
friends who talk about the dumpster fire that is your

516
00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:12.480
government right now is is things like Trump will say,

517
00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:15.640
this sounds ridiculous, and it's proven ridiculous. This sounds ridiculous,

518
00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:18.680
and it's proven ridiculous. This sounds ridiculous. Okay, but that

519
00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:21.319
sounds ridiculous, and then one of them in the middle

520
00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:25.839
will come to pass and it will happen. And this

521
00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:31.000
does feel like they're coming after late night, and I

522
00:27:31.079 --> 00:27:36.880
the from up here, the level of eerie tension that

523
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:41.480
I'm feeling is palpable. How is it down there in

524
00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:43.319
New York?

525
00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:48.240
So a lot of people like Team A, a lot

526
00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:52.400
of people like Team B. Yes, but things have challenged

527
00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:55.680
our mutual friend Alex Bennett. So back in the day,

528
00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:59.480
he and I would do friendly discussions about politics in

529
00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:02.480
the hallway, serious and they were very friendly, and we

530
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:05.079
would give each other the business, and depending on the

531
00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:07.519
news cycle, you know, he'd be like, hey, I saw

532
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:09.640
your boy, did da da da da? And then I'd

533
00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:11.480
be like, I saw you're a candidate, Da da da

534
00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:11.960
da da.

535
00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:12.680
And we would just.

536
00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:14.519
Do that and we're friendly and we're still friends twenty

537
00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:19.640
years later. Yes, that's gone now that if you open

538
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:23.000
up any sort of discussion and you're not rooting for

539
00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:29.200
the same team, there's no friendly banter anymore. Nothing gets solved.

540
00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:33.079
We're not going to meet both ways, and there's just

541
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:36.799
so much noise. You know. For example, we're all talking

542
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:40.440
about Jimmy Kimmel today. There are some other things that

543
00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:44.039
we might need to talk about that are Should we

544
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:48.519
have a discussion about guns. Charlie Kirk had a clear

545
00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:52.640
opinion about guns, but maybe the events weren't. Let's have

546
00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:56.759
that conversation, and let's have the respectful version of that conversation.

547
00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:58.319
Let's just take a look at things.

548
00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:01.200
Let's not yell and scream, and you know, let's not

549
00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:03.200
set out on a course of far I'm going to

550
00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:05.720
take away your rights or no you're not. Let's just

551
00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:12.039
talk things through. You know. Yes, somebody, uh, factually and

552
00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:13.640
I don't mean to laugh there at all, so let

553
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:18.839
me wake that off. But somebody say, uh, somebody who

554
00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:23.519
had advocated for the right to bear arms. Fine, yeah,

555
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:26.720
was assassinated. YEA, might be a good time to just

556
00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:27.640
have the conversation.

557
00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:31.920
You know, it's funny. I know that certain parties whenever

558
00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:34.519
like a school shooting happens, there were people the too

559
00:29:34.599 --> 00:29:36.680
soon thing that we were talking about. When when there's

560
00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:38.640
a school shooting that happens and people start bringing up

561
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:42.200
the idea of of of of that it's the Second Amendment, right,

562
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:45.759
people who are in favor of that start to stop

563
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:50.000
trying to take this and uh and make it. It's

564
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:52.880
a manipulation almost, And to me, that is a that

565
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:56.519
is a crazy argument. And when somebody who I would

566
00:29:56.519 --> 00:30:00.839
love to hear with civil discourse as you're as you

567
00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:03.759
are are talking about like we have gun controlling candidate now.

568
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:06.480
I mean, don't get me wrong, my dad rests in

569
00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:09.200
peace and all of his friends hunters forever. All of

570
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:12.000
my dad's friends had guns, mostly rifles and things like that.

571
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:15.680
But we we have gun control up here. The gun

572
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:20.039
crimes and the murders a fraction of what they are

573
00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:26.000
down south. This guy is a guy that rallied people

574
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:27.839
like what he rallied them about. Don't like what the

575
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:30.440
rallied about. This is a center of influence down there.

576
00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:32.599
One of your centers of influence in your country was

577
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:36.759
just killed. Is it not the best time to talk

578
00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:39.599
about this, and again Canadian and a buffoon. So I

579
00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:41.720
don't know, but wouldn't that be the time to talk

580
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:42.119
about it.

581
00:30:43.319 --> 00:30:46.359
The time to talk about it was after a few

582
00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:48.799
dozen children were murdered at Santejo, Connecticut.

583
00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:51.680
Right, we didn't and that's when I heard it.

584
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:54.119
I'm getting choked up even bringing that memory out that

585
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:57.599
we didn't have that conversation that day. Bogo's my mind.

586
00:30:58.400 --> 00:30:59.400
And again, what.

587
00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:01.799
Formed that conress station should take? Your dad would like

588
00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:04.839
to go hunting? I would like to buy an AR

589
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:08.119
fifteen with many many stocks that can fire off more

590
00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:11.400
rounds in one second than a farmer in seventeen ninety

591
00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:12.839
two may have been imagined.

592
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:15.119
Yeah, but you'll get the deer. You'll get it.

593
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:19.079
So let's what are we talking about. Let me just

594
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:21.759
try and lighten this up about so you've talked about

595
00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:25.559
too soon? Okay in terms of comedy and too soon.

596
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:29.359
You just have to nail the joke. I actually saw

597
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:34.480
a good joke within twelve hours. I'm paraphrasing it, but

598
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:37.720
the gist of the joke was that the head of

599
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:41.759
the FBI, or the assistant head of the FBI was

600
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:45.359
a podcaster. Yep, and we're investigating the murder of a podcaster.

601
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:48.759
This is exactly what podcasters are into true crime. And

602
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:51.359
there was a joke based around that premise. There you go,

603
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:56.319
that's a in terms of crafting a joke, yep, that

604
00:31:56.440 --> 00:31:59.960
is a good joke premise. Now, do you show up

605
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:02.160
at Charlie Kirk's funeral and tell that joke? No? What

606
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:04.640
are you an a hole? No? Of course not, but

607
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:07.640
you know a Yahoo on social media firing that off?

608
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:10.519
You know what clever writing. If you told that at

609
00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:14.119
the Chuckle Hut at ten thirty, that is what comedians do.

610
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:17.680
And okay, you know at some point it's too soon.

611
00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:21.400
It's environmental, it's you know, you're joking among friends, you're

612
00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:23.319
at the comedy club, you're hosting a late night show.

613
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:26.039
You know, Like I said, you don't show up at

614
00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:29.240
the funeral and do that material. Yep, But at the

615
00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:31.599
Chuckle Hut it's a well crafted.

616
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:34.079
Joke and it needs to stay that way. I've been

617
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:36.000
hanging out with stand ups a lot lately. I've been

618
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:37.559
I've been I've been trying to get the skill under

619
00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:39.799
my belt, and so I've been doing some local open

620
00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:42.519
mics and things like that. And I mean the level

621
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:48.720
of that balance is so important to know publicly, especially

622
00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:50.880
when you hang up, when you hang up with stand ups,

623
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:52.839
because a lot of the time when you're at the table,

624
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:56.599
after the place is closed, the joke there is no

625
00:32:56.759 --> 00:32:59.599
too soon because it's a free form. And this is

626
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:01.240
just my experience. I'm not saying it it's like this

627
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:03.359
with all stand ups, but I've been through a couple

628
00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:06.200
of different pods, and to me, the similarity was you

629
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:09.039
could say anything you want at that table and nobody

630
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:10.880
is going to be chastised for it. Nobody's going to

631
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:12.799
be you know, they might say, oh man, brother, no

632
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:14.920
like they might give advice about it or whatever. But

633
00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:19.359
you're free to say that stuff. But time and place

634
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:22.079
is extremely important. Of course, I want to pivot a

635
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:25.119
little bit with you, John. I was just on the

636
00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:26.960
phone not to name drop, but I'm gonna name drop

637
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:29.640
Scott Ryan, who wrote Last Days of Letterman, which is

638
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:35.319
my favorite book at about all things Dave. I even

639
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:37.440
like it an edge more than the Bill Carter books

640
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:39.759
because of just what it is. Scott Ryan, awesome guy friend.

641
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:41.799
He's gonna come on the show again soon. We were

642
00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:43.839
talking about this as well, and he said to me,

643
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:45.119
he goes, okay, I want you to go into your

644
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:47.279
memory banks here. We might need Don Giller for this.

645
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:53.759
But do you remember when Dave started in his late

646
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:58.119
show run. Somewhere along the line, Dave started, while he

647
00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:01.400
was doing his monologue, he would throw to a video

648
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:03.359
piece of some sort. It never used to be like that,

649
00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:05.359
Like people might come in and interrupt the monologue or

650
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:07.960
something like that, but he would never throw to a

651
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:10.480
piece of video. And that started, and we think it

652
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:14.639
started around the time that Jimmy Kimmel started around then.

653
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:16.920
Just the evolution of this and then so we got

654
00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:19.440
into this big conversation about this, and then it goes

655
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:22.199
back to the Daily Show and to me, you take

656
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:26.360
Weekend Update on Satday Live. Okay, it merges comedy and commentary,

657
00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:31.400
but the Daily Show really really was, in my opinion,

658
00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:34.599
the first thing to really blew the blur the lines

659
00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:38.039
between the two on a giant scale is what we're

660
00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:45.400
seeing here, in your opinion, the eventuality of doing that,

661
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:48.599
Like is this the extreme like like if the extreme

662
00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:51.320
of I don't know, is this the extreme of it

663
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:56.639
where where political commentary is so interlaced with comedy that

664
00:34:56.719 --> 00:35:00.400
it will incite violence. Is that the eventuality that come

665
00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:02.760
from mixing those two mediums together.

666
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:06.920
I've never met any of the you know, I have

667
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:09.000
met Jimmy Fallon. Other than Jimmy Fallon, I haven't met

668
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:11.320
the rest of the current generation of late night hosts.

669
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:15.280
Their public personas, they don't seem like they're trying to

670
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:18.599
incite violence. I feel like they're joke tellers. I feel

671
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:23.559
Colbert and Kimmel and John Stewart and John Oliver. Maybe

672
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:25.960
truth teller is to use a term that gets thrown

673
00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:29.440
around in a lexicon. Ye I feel and seth. I

674
00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:32.400
feel Fallon is like, Hey, it's the tonight show. I'm

675
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:35.480
gonna do karaoke with let's be Yep. That's not a dig,

676
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:37.840
it's We've had this conversation many times.

677
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:38.079
Yep.

678
00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:40.400
That's Jimmy Fallon understanding what the tonight show is.

679
00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:41.559
That's Lane. Yep.

680
00:35:41.960 --> 00:35:46.840
Kimmel, his public persona has always been more outspoken. I

681
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:49.800
don't at all think he's trying to incite violence. I

682
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:53.039
think he is wearing his politics on his sleeve, whereas

683
00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:59.639
maybe a previous generation did not. And that's okay. You know,

684
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:03.280
we're all smart people. I know what I'm watching now.

685
00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:05.719
Back to John Stewart. Yeah, he was the first one

686
00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:07.920
to He freaked out when he found out he was

687
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:10.519
the most most trusted man in America, and he was like, no, no, no,

688
00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:13.519
I'm doing a comedy show. What no, No, don't trust me.

689
00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:15.880
I'm telling jokes. You know, he was the first one

690
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:21.760
to say it. You know, Kimmel's monologues have been a

691
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:25.000
little more loaded for lack of a better term. But

692
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:25.960
I don't think he's.

693
00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:27.920
Hiding it's uh.

694
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:32.719
So, no, I was hoping the original question, is this

695
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:36.320
the evolution? I think it's just the who's in the

696
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:39.599
current chairs and you know, we're gonna have to see

697
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:41.039
what happens on the other side of this now.

698
00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:44.519
So it's okay, it's it's it's okay. We have this

699
00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:47.639
medium that's mixing these two things together. You know, maybe

700
00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:49.840
it's three things. Actually, now I think about it, it's

701
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:52.159
it's not just commed. It's comedy commentary, and it's also

702
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:56.000
news because, like you said, Stuart, talking about there was

703
00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:58.400
a lot of I remember reading when I was growing

704
00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:00.000
up an article that talked about how a lot of

705
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:02.159
people were getting their news from weekend update on Saturday

706
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:04.880
night Live and then later on you you referred to

707
00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:08.280
John Stewart people saying that all the time that they

708
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:10.400
go into check in with the Daily Show just to

709
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:13.239
see the major headlines of the day. But now it's

710
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:17.000
grown and evolved from that and twisted to people forming

711
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:20.920
their comment getting opinions from these things. I've heard Colbert

712
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:23.760
say it as well. People have flat out asked him,

713
00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:26.079
you know about him the truth teller part that that

714
00:37:26.199 --> 00:37:28.119
He's like, I'm just trying to make it's just jokes.

715
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:30.519
It's just jokes. And fairly recently, I think it was

716
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:32.679
during the you know, the Biden run is when the

717
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:34.800
last time I heard him say that at an interview.

718
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:37.199
I think all of them say that, do they really

719
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:39.800
believe it? They like John Oliver. I watched John Oliver

720
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:41.239
show a couple of weeks ago, and I love I

721
00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:44.320
love Last Week Tonight. I do think my wife and

722
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:46.519
I both think that over the run it has gone

723
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:53.119
from silly and interesting to certainly, in my opinion, it

724
00:37:53.320 --> 00:38:00.760
is the expression of mandates from above. You know, it's

725
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:03.800
moved in that direction. But I think today if you

726
00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:07.000
still ask John Oliver if he should be a trusted

727
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:11.039
source for whatever I think he's still gonna side on

728
00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:12.400
the idea of being a comedy show.

729
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:16.159
Yes, absolutely, is that but is that reasonable?

730
00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:19.079
Like these guys are all brilliant guys, and and some

731
00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:22.079
gals too who've been who've taken the mantle a little bit.

732
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:25.880
They must understand because they're fans too, they must understand

733
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:31.039
that there's some responsibility on that side of it. They

734
00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:33.840
must understand that, really, Like, wouldn't you think?

735
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:38.280
I think it's been the evolution of the media, how

736
00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:41.760
we communicate in general. You know, So if we go

737
00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:45.840
back many presidents, you know, Ronald Reagan was the whale,

738
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:48.559
and we all we all did the whale impression. Whoever

739
00:38:48.639 --> 00:38:51.960
started that? Then we all did Dana Carvey's Bush.

740
00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:54.719
By the way, Johnny Carson did a phenomenal Ronald Reagan.

741
00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:59.440
Yeah, you know, but you know it was less about

742
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:01.639
the politics and more about this old cowboy.

743
00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:03.079
It was caricature.

744
00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:07.599
Yeah, and that's what the Bush impression was. And Clinton

745
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:10.719
and I want to dance delicately here because I don't

746
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:14.280
want to offend, you know, Monica Lewinsky jokes there is

747
00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:19.000
a person named Monica Lewinsky. Yes, but generally speaking, Monica

748
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:23.760
Lewinsky jokes were about Bill Clinton and the Intern, not

749
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:27.119
specifically the Intern Monica Lewinsky. It was about the married

750
00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:29.000
dude in the Intern and he's the president, and that

751
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:30.679
sort of joke. That's what that was.

752
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:32.280
It was the way to talk about You could say

753
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:34.599
Lewinsky instead of the word blowjob, which you're not allowed

754
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:36.920
to say on TV. Yeah, say Lewinsky and everyone knows

755
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:38.079
what you're talking about.

756
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:41.480
You know, we get into George w and we got

757
00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:44.679
into the malapropisms of it all, and that was sort

758
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:50.079
of a harmless, harmless characterature. Meanwhile, people were very much

759
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:53.039
debating the politics of the times, but the you know,

760
00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:55.239
from a comedy standpoint, it was you know what Will

761
00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:58.000
Ferrell did, and you'd say strategicy and words like that.

762
00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:01.800
It was just funny. On No one really nailed Obama,

763
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:07.159
nobody really nailed Biden. And then we have Trump, who

764
00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:11.400
almost every comedian says, it's not it's too hard to

765
00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:15.239
lampoon because you can't keep up with the actual news cycle. Now,

766
00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:18.039
if you're hosting a show, if you talk into a

767
00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:21.239
live mic long enough, you're gonna just you're gonna say things.

768
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:23.960
I'm gonna listen back to this hour, We're doing, and

769
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:26.159
I'm gonna be like, I wish I had phrased that better.

770
00:40:26.239 --> 00:40:28.920
I wish I had I wish I had explained that better.

771
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:32.480
Oh I misspoke there. I taught a class today for

772
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:35.280
two and a half hours. I'm sure I said something stupid.

773
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:39.039
And when you're live, or if you're live to tape,

774
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:43.840
you do enough thing, somebody's gonna get wrankled and you're

775
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:47.719
gonna wish you had phrased something better or differently. But

776
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:52.960
over time, if you listen to somebody for twenty thirty years,

777
00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:56.119
in some cases with the late night hosts, you get

778
00:40:56.119 --> 00:40:59.679
a feel for what they're about. Yes, you know, they

779
00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:03.280
might not outright say I'm on Team A or Team B,

780
00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:08.079
but you'll kind of sort of get a vibe, you know.

781
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:15.800
You know, if you told me Jimmy Kimmel were I

782
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:19.239
don't know hunting, was hunting with George W this weekend,

783
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.599
I'd be like, Oh, I didn't expect that doesn't seem

784
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:26.239
like it matches Jimmy Kimmel's persona. If you told me

785
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:29.039
THEO Vaughn went hunting with George W this week and

786
00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:30.360
I'm like, yeah, okay, cool.

787
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:30.920
Sounds about right.

788
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:34.159
Great example Yep, let's get one more break in here

789
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:36.400
with Mike Chisholm from the Letterman Podcast.

790
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:40.039
Be right back. I'm still I'm still dumbfounded by this.

791
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:42.920
My my, my original. I think the Facebook quote that

792
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:46.159
you look the Daily Comedy Podcast or Daily Comedy News

793
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:49.880
podcast commented on was my first line of that one.

794
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:51.400
If it's the one I'm thinking of. By the way,

795
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:54.400
go to the Letterman Podcast Facebook group, everybody and enjoy

796
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:57.440
the come, enjoy the talk outside of this viewing and

797
00:41:57.480 --> 00:41:58.599
listening pleasure.

798
00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:01.840
And be very respectful talk to you know. I was

799
00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:04.280
in that chat on Wednesday night. It was a very

800
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:06.599
topic Yeah, all respectful.

801
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:08.920
It was totally like you know, I think part of

802
00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:11.039
it is that we're all on both baffled by it.

803
00:42:11.320 --> 00:42:16.519
I really do. But my my my initial sentence was

804
00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:19.599
I hope Disney supports Kimmel. And this is kind of

805
00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:22.960
to go back to something you said earlier. What do

806
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:24.719
we think, like what are we taking? Are we taking

807
00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:26.960
this Vegas taking bets? Is there odds on? This is

808
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:29.719
is because I mean, yeah, like you say, you know,

809
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:32.199
it's a lot of stations potentially in play, and Disney

810
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:34.840
of course is gonna is gonna look at that. Is

811
00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:36.400
it a foregone conclusion that he's gone.

812
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:41.639
I think he's gone. His contract only goes to may yep,

813
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:44.800
the whole you back your talent, you did not back

814
00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:47.840
your talent. He's floated the idea of retirement. I've been

815
00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:50.239
quite loud about not believing him at all, because me too,

816
00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:53.039
What else are you going to do? Yeah, but the

817
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:56.400
network didn't back the face of the network and just

818
00:42:56.599 --> 00:43:01.079
his public persona personality. I think he's gonna tell them

819
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:03.440
the buzz off. Now it's a pay or play contract,

820
00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:08.679
I imagine, as most are, they could compel him to perform.

821
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:12.320
Here's the money. We do want a show tonight, so

822
00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:15.880
pay or play is. I've signed you for sixteen million

823
00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:18.400
dollars a year, whatever the number is. And in exchange

824
00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:22.639
for that, probably your holding company will provide Jimmy Kimmel

825
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:24.800
to provide the duties of host. That's probably how the

826
00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:28.760
deal is. So ABC can say, well, the money and

827
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:31.599
the deal here says Jimmy Kimmel as to host Jimmy Kimmelive,

828
00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:34.559
and we'd like our Thursday night episode please. I think

829
00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:37.880
he may tell them to go buzz off and walk

830
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:39.679
away from the money, in which case, he would get

831
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:42.679
fired and that would be the story Jimmy Kimmel gets fired,

832
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:46.360
see them going, you know what bigger fish should play here?

833
00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:48.920
We want to get other deals done. We didn't nobody

834
00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:51.639
complained about celebrity family feud. Let's just run that and

835
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:54.599
who cares? And CBS gave us cover and we're out

836
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:56.519
of the late night business too, and we're also going

837
00:43:56.559 --> 00:44:00.360
to save X million dollars, so we're out. I think

838
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:03.760
he's gone just based on his public persona, Like, how

839
00:44:03.800 --> 00:44:06.360
do you come back from that if the network didn't

840
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:09.559
back you, especially with you know, nine months to go

841
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:12.719
in your contract, sit home, collect the money and figure

842
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:15.519
out what you want to do. And you know, much

843
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:18.599
like Obi wan Kenobi, he may become more powerful than

844
00:44:18.639 --> 00:44:19.960
you can possibly imagine.

845
00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:23.079
Uh yeah, the uh you know, I want to talk

846
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:25.239
a little bit. Okay, so let's let's put a pin

847
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:27.840
in that because the whimsical part of this. I knew

848
00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:30.480
how I wanted to finish this podcast today with you,

849
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:33.719
because I mean, like, it seems like it's just bodyblow

850
00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:36.039
after bodyblow after body blow, and and and there's so

851
00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:37.639
many reasons to be sad. I wanted to end with

852
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:39.400
a little bit of whimsy. So we're gonna end with that,

853
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:41.760
but just to go into what you just said too

854
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:43.719
about the contracts and whatnot if you want to learn

855
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:47.360
more and do a deep dive in this subject, including

856
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:50.519
that talks a lot about pay or play contracts. Bill

857
00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:52.679
Carter's second book on the subject, called The War for

858
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:55.960
Late Night, highly recommend. I highly recommend both The Late

859
00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:58.960
Shift and The War for Late Night. They're phenomenal books.

860
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:01.719
I believe that they are books one and two of

861
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:04.199
a trilogy, because the third one is being written right now.

862
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:08.440
I am positive that that's happening, even though I try.

863
00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:10.800
I I reach out to him, and he's not. He's

864
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:12.960
not answering that question. He's being very elusive about it.

865
00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:17.039
But if you read The War for Late Night, it

866
00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:19.360
talks about this because the Jay Leno deal back in

867
00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:22.000
the day when he was on ten PM, the contract

868
00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:24.039
that he signed was actually it wasn't just a pay

869
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:25.920
or play contract like what you just talked about. It

870
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:28.800
was a pay and play. He was guaranteed that he

871
00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:32.840
would be on the air and because of that part

872
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:37.360
of that word, and that was the reason that NBC

873
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:41.079
was so intent about keeping him, either putting pushing Conan back,

874
00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:44.079
putting the Tonight Show back, whatever it was, because of

875
00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:46.719
that contract. So these contracts very very important when it

876
00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:49.039
comes to when when when stuff starts hitting the fan,

877
00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:51.960
very important to know that stuff. And it's gonna be

878
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:55.800
very interesting to see how uh uh, you know, I'm

879
00:45:55.840 --> 00:45:59.199
curious what James, Baby Doll, Dixon and Jimmy are talking

880
00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:02.239
about today. I'm curious about a lot of these things.

881
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:04.320
One of the things that where the whimsy comes in

882
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:08.719
is the idea of what these guys are gonna do next.

883
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:13.480
Like I have thought about a Conan O'Brien, Stephen Colbert

884
00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:17.519
sketch show four times a year, you know, like where

885
00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:19.920
they could really come up. I mean I said it

886
00:46:20.199 --> 00:46:22.199
jokingly kind of in the in the group, but there's

887
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:23.480
a lot of people that are saying to me, oh

888
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:26.920
my gosh, Strikeforce five could be a weekly podcast that

889
00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:30.119
could come out and be absolutely huge. These guys, all

890
00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:32.559
of them, no matter what happens, They're gonna land on

891
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:34.119
their feet, aren't they. Like I get this feeling that

892
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:36.000
even though yeah it feels bad now, they are gonna

893
00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:36.679
land on their feet.

894
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:41.719
Yes, asterisk I just did a hit spot on Alison

895
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:44.039
Lips podcast, and I brought this up, so let's talk.

896
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:45.840
It out to Alison. Greetings from the Idiot Box.

897
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:49.760
Let's go back to Conan. Conan gets fired from the

898
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:51.920
Tonight Show, and we all love Conan. We all rally

899
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:54.360
behind Conan. And you know what, we never talked about

900
00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:57.719
Mike the eleven years on TBS. No one cared. Sorry,

901
00:46:57.800 --> 00:46:59.440
we all love Conan, but no one cared. It just

902
00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:03.199
kind of went. So, you've got on the Big three

903
00:47:03.320 --> 00:47:05.119
or the Big four networks, but you've got one of

904
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:09.039
the big three eleven thirty shows that that's something that's

905
00:47:09.039 --> 00:47:11.320
a big platform, even in the diminished era of twenty

906
00:47:11.360 --> 00:47:13.840
twenty five, when it's not Johnny Carson's Tonight Show, it's

907
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:17.199
still an eleven thirty network show. You're somebody with a

908
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:21.119
capital S. Yes, I'm a podcaster. No, you know whatever.

909
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:24.840
You know. Amy Poehler is awesome. We love Amy Pohler.

910
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:26.800
She had a great sitcom, she was great on SNL.

911
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:29.559
She's got a big podcast. But like, is Amy Pohler's

912
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:31.719
podcast the Tonight Show?

913
00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:34.760
No, it's we're watching reruns of Parks and Reck.

914
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:37.480
Not the Amy polar Show, you know, and it's super

915
00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:39.480
popular and I'm sure she's being paid well, then she's

916
00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:41.119
really good at it, and we all love Amy Polar,

917
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:44.760
But it's not the Tonight Show, it's not eleven thirty five.

918
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:47.599
So will they land on their feet? Will they work again?

919
00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:48.280
Sure?

920
00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:52.199
Conan O'Brien has landed on his feet and he won

921
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:54.599
the Mark Twain Prize and everybody loves Conan and he's

922
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:56.639
sink Conan and it's all great, But we're kind of

923
00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:59.119
glossing over those eleven years in the wilderness on Turner.

924
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:01.480
I got to take a little exception for that because

925
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:05.960
my gold it's so funny. I love my Okay, my

926
00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:09.599
golden age of Late Night was actually Late in the

927
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:12.639
Late Show run by a nose. I loved Late Night

928
00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:15.480
growing up. It's what created the sensibility that I have.

929
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:19.480
Was Late Night. It was literally weird fertilizer for the

930
00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:23.119
plant that was me. But my favorite run in late

931
00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:27.679
Night was when I had Late Show, Craig Ferguson's Late

932
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:30.639
Late Show and Conan's TBS Show. And I will throw

933
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:32.599
this out there by a lot of people say what

934
00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:35.599
you said there? Maybe they weren't habitual viewers of it,

935
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:38.599
but we wouldn't know guys like Jordan Slansky. We wouldn't know,

936
00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:43.119
so now we wouldn't know Reggie Watts. There are some

937
00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:45.719
things from that show. I think that show is probably

938
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:48.760
the most underrated part of Conan's work, and a lot

939
00:48:48.880 --> 00:48:53.159
more from that show has entered our culture. But I

940
00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:56.119
do hear where you're coming from. Would you talk about

941
00:48:56.320 --> 00:48:58.519
the idea of him doing Late Night and then the

942
00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:03.079
Tonight Show and then that show? It's a completely different deal.

943
00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:05.599
But people still talk about the Chris Rock Show. People

944
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:07.800
still talk about the Dennis Miller Show. It's just in

945
00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:10.559
a different way than they talk about the Tonight Show.

946
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:11.599
Is what I would throw out there.

947
00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:13.079
Yeah, I'm not saying it's bad.

948
00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:13.880
No, no, no.

949
00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:18.320
Jimmy Kimmel gets a show on Hulu.

950
00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:19.679
Yes, it's nice.

951
00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:21.840
I mean the first week will be like Jimmy Kimmel's back,

952
00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:24.360
good for him, Yay. But let's check back two and

953
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:26.800
a half years into Jimmy Kimmel's Hulu show, and let's

954
00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:28.360
yes see where it is in the zeitgeist.

955
00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:32.000
Yes, and that of course that can't be you know,

956
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:34.119
that can't be argued. You and I have seen it

957
00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:38.199
where it's gone from one Late Night show with outliers

958
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:41.800
to two late night shows, solid but both on the

959
00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:48.199
same network, to it then expanding into kind of a

960
00:49:48.199 --> 00:49:52.000
an entertainment slash broadcasting subculture of its own. We've seen

961
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:54.960
that happen, so everything can you know, you know, you

962
00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:57.800
have the expanding and the other thing, the contracting. The

963
00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:01.639
expanding and the contracting of things were that happen right now,

964
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:05.679
But we're also watching a contraction of the medium itself,

965
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:09.239
and it's we are living in fascinating times, like I

966
00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:11.480
got the popcorn made, and I'm glad that I have

967
00:50:11.599 --> 00:50:13.320
you to talk about this with and so many other

968
00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:17.000
people to talk about this with, because obviously some parts

969
00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:19.280
of this are heartbreaking, you know, certainly the real life

970
00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:22.119
events things like that. But at the same time, when

971
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:24.719
you kind of take that emotion out of it, this

972
00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:26.760
is fascinating to watch right now.

973
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:29.320
It's a good news story and I always like a

974
00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:31.880
good news story and sitting in front of the television

975
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:35.079
watching things like you said, eating the popcorn. The thing,

976
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:37.360
the thought I do want to put in everyone's mind

977
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:41.639
before we start heading for home is what's really worrisome

978
00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:45.599
here is the departure from the norm. So if you support,

979
00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:48.000
if you think Jimmy Kimmel should be gone. He said

980
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:53.519
horrible things and all that. Okay, when President Democrat comes

981
00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:57.800
for Joe Rogan and Theo Vaughn and Andrew Schultz, yep,

982
00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:01.960
that's going to be just as badsolutely absolutely well.

983
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:04.480
And again I hope that you and I can keep

984
00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:06.800
doing what we do. I hope it doesn't then move

985
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:10.840
to that down the layers, like is YouTube next? You know,

986
00:51:11.679 --> 00:51:13.320
is there going to be some sort of mandate that

987
00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:16.320
anything that gets put out there content wise? That that

988
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:19.480
to me seems unthinkable, But at one time there was

989
00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:22.880
a comic books code and and so you know, we

990
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:26.280
it's it seems unthinkable because of our time and place.

991
00:51:26.320 --> 00:51:29.360
But oh no, no, no, no, like this could easily happen.

992
00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:33.719
And I think perhaps us talking about this and certainly,

993
00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:36.719
you know, if there was not an incentive to at

994
00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:40.079
least get if not getting fully involved, at least get

995
00:51:40.239 --> 00:51:44.159
competent on you know who it is that is setting

996
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:48.960
the standards, the laws, the regulations politically around us, making

997
00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:51.000
sure you know who your local leadership is, who you're

998
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:53.239
you know, the next level, and then up to federal

999
00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:57.960
it couldn't be more important. And I hope that this,

1000
00:51:58.199 --> 00:51:59.760
if there is an optimistic thing, I hope that this

1001
00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:01.719
can serve as a wake up call for people to

1002
00:52:01.760 --> 00:52:04.639
get involved and create the country the world that they

1003
00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:07.639
want to create, because we do currently it seems that

1004
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:10.039
we have that opportunity still. But at point does it

1005
00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:11.039
feel like it's slipping away?

1006
00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:14.199
I hope you're right. I do think there are those

1007
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:16.480
whose your initial reaction to the story is good, he

1008
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:19.880
should be fired, and then you know it's good Colbert

1009
00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:23.199
is gone. He deserves it. And you know, maybe you

1010
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:25.639
don't find either them funny or you don't like their politics,

1011
00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:28.119
you know, but I could rattle off, you know, should

1012
00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:30.960
we all come for Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson shouldn't have

1013
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:32.920
a show anymore. We're gonna get rid of Tucker Carlson.

1014
00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:38.000
I personally don't watch Tucker Carlson, but I have no

1015
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:41.320
problem with Tucker Carlson existing. Yeah, do your thing, and

1016
00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:42.519
I'll choose not to watch.

1017
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:46.280
I feel the exact same. I choose to listen to

1018
00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:48.239
your podcast because I can't watch it, although you do

1019
00:52:48.280 --> 00:52:50.039
have the YouTube stream now but with the graphic, but

1020
00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:53.840
the daily comedy news podcast, I can't endorse it enough

1021
00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:56.400
it's on all the major podcast platforms, and there's a

1022
00:52:56.400 --> 00:52:58.159
YouTube version of the show too, similar to this one

1023
00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:00.920
as well. Johnny, I thank you so much. I know

1024
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:03.039
we're going to talk again sooner than later. I hope

1025
00:53:03.039 --> 00:53:07.159
it's all with happier circumstance. But I just appreciate everything

1026
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:09.400
that you do, and thanks for taking some time kind

1027
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:11.320
of spur the moment to come on here and we

1028
00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:13.400
can do this together. And it's an honor always to

1029
00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:16.360
even be mentioned on your show. I appreciate your shout outs.

1030
00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:19.280
I appreciate everything that you do. Thanks for being such

1031
00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:19.679
a good friend.

1032
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:23.039
Bud backcatch and let's hope the next one is a

1033
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:23.960
happier episode.

1034
00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:24.880
I couldn't agree more.

1035
00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:26.880
Thank you so much, and it's always great to talk

1036
00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:29.760
with Mike. As I said, I'll be back in the

1037
00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:32.079
morning with a normal episode that was already recorded where

1038
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:34.000
I don't talk about any of this, and I'll check

1039
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:37.039
in with you on Friday afternoon with developing news on

1040
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:39.320
this massive Jimmy Kimmel's story