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Hey there, I'm Johnny Magan. On Saturdays this summer, I'm
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doing some deep dives on single topics. Today, let's take
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a look at kill Tony, which premiered When Everybody June third,
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twenty thirteen. This is not an overnight success.
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I find it ironic when fat people wear t shirts
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promoting fitness. The other day I saw a guy wearing
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a Nike shirt that said there is no finish line,
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and so I just came to the assumption he wears
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that to the Golden crowd.
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If you were trying to explain kill Tony to somebody
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who'd never heard it or seen it, the easiest shortcuts
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to say it's a comedy competition show, and that shortcut
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is wrong in almost every way that matters. Technically, Yes,
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people come up, they do a minute Tonyhinchcliff in the band,
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and whoever the guest is that week react to it.
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Sometimes people get brought back. There's a structure. But calling
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Kiltny a competition show is like calling the comedy store
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a building where comedians perform. It's accurate, but it misses
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the point. The thing that Kiltny actually is the reason
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it feels arenas now. The reason comedians fly themselves out
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to Austin to sit in the audience on the chance
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they might might might get pulled. The reason that has
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become one of the more genuinely interesting things happening in
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comedy right now is because kil Tony is actually a
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live document of what stand up comedy looks like at
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every level, simultaneously from the open micer who's been doing
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it for four months and who's terrified and is going
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to get mocked to whoever the guest might be that week,
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could be Shane Gillis, could be Ron White, could be
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Joe Rogan, all that in real time, no editing, no polish.
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Without the safety net that TV puts under, everything sounds simple,
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not simple. Most attempts to capture comedy and its raw
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state end up either feeling too curated to feel real.
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Kevin Hart's recent show out a little bit of that,
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we're too chaotic to be watchable. Kil Tony's neither of
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those things, and the reason it isn't is because of
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Tony Hinchcliff now thing about Tony. Tony's an interesting person
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to have become the center of the biggest comedy show
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in America because his public probe file outside of kill
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Tony is unusual. He's known as a roast rider, one
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of the best in the business, arguably the best working
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right now.
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Burt Kreischer is a king.
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He looks like at the Tiger King and the Liver King,
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only a Burger King and had a liver that looked
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like Martin Luther King got beat up by Rodney King.
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Roast writers usually are behind the camera. They're the people
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that write the joke that destroys someone at the Friars
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Club or on Comedy Central or on the Netflix roast Now,
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and then they sit in the back while the celebrity
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gets the credit and the clip goes viral. Tony has
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broken out of that Nicky glazer.
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What a performance tonight?
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Am I right? Absolutely?
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Tellar Nikki who wrote that where was that? Your entire career?
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Nicky has such a bad eating disorder. The industry keeps
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shoving her down our throat. You might recognize of her
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podcast appearances, specials and winning the Triple Crown at Churchill Downs.
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It's his sensibility as a roast rider, or the precision,
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the willingness to go somewhere that makes the room uncomfortable,
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the understanding of exactly how far you could push something
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before it stops being funny. All that makes him good
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at hosting kill Tony. He knows how to read a room.
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He knows how to find the thing about a person
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that's the most interesting to poke at. Underrated skill. He
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knows how to be mean in a way that's entertaining
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rather than just cruel. Also a very specific skill that
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most people who think they have don't have. You got
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to appreciate kill Tony as a host. Hosting that show
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is one of the harder jobs in comedy. You're dealing
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with open micers who might completely fall apart. You're dealing
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with big guests who have their own energy, their own agenda.
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You're managing the live band you're keeping, whether it's four
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hundred or four thousand people or MSG engaged throughout an
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episode that might run three hours no script. The comp
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is in some ways Howard Stern. Howard credited with being
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the greatest radio host who ever lived, because if his
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ability to make four hours of live radio feel like
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it's moving along, Tony does something similar in a comedy show.
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He doesn't get enough credit for how hard that is
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to do. Now, let's not underestimate the Rogan connection. The
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Rogan connection is real. Yes, Rogan is a friend of Tony's. Yes,
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Rogan has appeared on Kill Tony. Yes, Kill Tony's based
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in Austin, and Kill Tony moving from LA to Austin
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is not unrelated to the fact that Rogan moved to
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Austin and took a big chunk of the comedy ecosystem
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with him. But again, Kill Tony started in twenty thirteen
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as a small live show. The premise simple, one minute,
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a button gets pushed times up, and what Tony has
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figured out over years of doing it is that the
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format is infinitely generative. No two minutes are the same
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because the range of people show up do their minute
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is so wide you never know what you're gonna get.
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The combination of a strict format and completely unpredictable content
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creates tension that keeps the show moving even when individual
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parts aren't that great, and there's a lot of individual
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moments that are not great. That's part of the show.
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I know what you're thinking. Why is my GTA drug
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dealer on stage right now?
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Um?
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Ooh that cough was rough at the plane crashes are rough.
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Right.
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Can we agree that they're bad, But I actually think
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they're the perfect opportunity to get something off your bucket list,
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because in that one minute before touchdown, you get away
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with anything. You are a video game character. You know
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what I do in that opportunity. When I Wilita and
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Nana they're praying for salvation for a miracle, I'm going
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to get out of my seat and I'm going to
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punch a kid right there.
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Okay, wow, hi over here, buddy, how are you going on?
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I'm your worst nightmare? Look over here, keep looking at me.
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Don't get distracted. Your add is uh oh, there you go.
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You just said something else, look at you. One of
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the absolute worst performances imaginable, doing everything backwards, coming out,
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calling the crowd ugly, getting sidetracked by a very light,
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normal cough by someone in the second row that nobody
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in the back of the room could hear. You had
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to describe it as rough. Cough was rough. Yeah, you
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got sidetracked there, And then you talked about plane crashes,
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a punchlineless bit about how you would punch someone else's
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kid because you were punched by your parents, but you're
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punching another person's kids.
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Yeah, the cycle abuse needs to keep going. You know
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I'm perpetuating.
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Well, you just abused three hundred and thirty people here tonight.
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The years of grinding that show in La building, the
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audience slowly figuring out what worked what didn't. That's the
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part of the kill Tony story that get skipped when
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people just go yeah, Rogan. What the move to Austin
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did do was concentrate a massive comedy talent in one
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place that made kill Tony's guest rosters suddenly and dramatically
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better on a consistent basis. When your friend is Joe
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Rogan and everybody's in the same city and Joe's got
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the club that helps. Let's also looked at the comedy
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scene that coalesced in Austin, the people who either live
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there or pop in there a lot. In the Rogan
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verse Rogan, of course, Shane gillis THEO Vaughn for Krascher,
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someone in the orbit Ron White. All that created conditions
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were kill Tony could pull a remarkable guest almost any
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week it wanted to. As I'm recording this, let me
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just scroll down some recent episodes. Tom Sagora, Shane Gillis
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or a Shafir, Jelly Roll, Theo Vaughn, Jeff Ross. I mean,
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those are some great guests, especially for this particular format.
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When you have Bill Burr sitting next to Tony Hinchcliff
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watching an open mic or do their minute, and then
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Bill Burr gives his reaction, you're getting an education in
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how a working professional at the highest level of the
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craft thinks about comedy. You're hearing a Bill Burr type
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explain why something worked or didn't work, what he would
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have done differently with the bid is actually about underneath
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what the person thought it was about. You can't get
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that in a class, you can't write that down anywhere.
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It's the oral tradition of stand up happening in public,
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and it's one of the valuable things that kill Tony
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does that nobody really planned for it to do.
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Uh yeah, I would just say just slow down a
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little bit.
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Okay, slow down a little bit, and just the more
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you do your jokes, the more they'll come off natural
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and you won't be like, I don't know if you
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were in your head we're trying to remember him. I
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remember like I was in my notebook for the first
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year and a half. You know, and I would just
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be like having a teleprompt ghost just I would just
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slow down a little bit.
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Okay, that's it.
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It's not a threat.
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Ladies and gentlemen, this is Madison Square Garden. This is
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a show based in Austin, Texas. So while I have
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a lot of great New Yorkers scattered throughout the show,
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my two guests live with us in Austin, Texas. Ladies
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and Gentlemen introducing first, make some noise for one of
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the best comedians in the world.
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This is Shane Gillis. Oh my god, Shane is back.
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And why don't we keep that energy going to the
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Great and Powerple showro again.
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Now there were the arena shows. That's where things get
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pretty interesting for kill Tony Arenas. You know, Madison Square Garden,
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a show that is a live podcast about open micers
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filled the garden. The arena shows are built around a
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kind of spectacle production value, lighting the sense of event.
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What Tony figured out is that scale doesn't actually break
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the format and amplifies it because the open micer doing
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their minute in front of ten thousand people is a
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fundamentally different kind of moment than doing it in front
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of four hundred, The stakes are higher, The silence when
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something doesn't land is deeper, the explosion when something works
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is bigger. The format designed to create tension and pressure
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and reaction actually benefits from scale in a way most
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formats don't. There are comedians working today who can trace
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a significant portion of the current audience directly to a
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kill Tony appearance, not a guest appearance, the one minute appearance.
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One minute Atlanta got clipped, got shared, showed up in
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the algorithm, I got watched by people who already Kill
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Tony fans. The historical analogies actually the Tonight Show with
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Johnny Carson, but kill Tony does it faster and more organically,
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and without the fielder of a booker deciding that you're
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ready or not. The comedians who are taking kill Tony
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seriously as a career move, who are flying to Austin,
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who were working on their minute the way work on
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a late night set, understand that one great moment in
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front of Tony's audience is worth more than one hundred
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great minutes in front of a club audience that doesn't
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have a streaming component. And then there's Tony himself, a
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comedian who's primarily known for the show rather than a persona.
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If you ask most people what Tony Hinchcliff's stand up
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is like, they'll say dark, precise, roasty. But the stand
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up isn't what they think of they think about Kill Tony.
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It's a trade off he seems to have made consciously.
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They're comedians who would no pun killed to have what
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Tony has platform with that reach, big audience, weekly presence Netflix.
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And then there are comedians who would never trade the
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freedom of a state of career for the responsibility of
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running a big show like Kill Tony.
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Now.
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Did any plan all this? That probably gives him too
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much credit. More likely, he found a format he liked,
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did it for a few years, got logging in some
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of the timing and the geography, and built something that
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happened to be exactly what the comedy audience was looking
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for without necessarily knowing they were looking for it. It's
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usually how the things at last get built. Kill Tony
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is good enough, the audience found it, and now it
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feels a renus. You can comment on this episode in
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