Sept. 19, 2025
Letterman’s failure shaped Late Night, Mark Norman on The Joe Rogan Experience PLUS Theo Von dates your mom!
This is the normal episode for Friday morning, it does not contain any Kimmel content because it had already been recorded to accomodate my schedule.
FOR JIMMY KIMMEL CONTENT there were two bonus episodes yesteray afternoon, and I will be back later today with another Kimmel Only bonus epsiode, and plan on doing Kimmel Content through the weekend.
David Letterman reflects on the lessons from his failed morning show and how it paved the way for Late Night. Caleb Hearon drops his first HBO Max special Model Comedian. Mark Normand calls Jimmy Fallon fake and Joe Rogan real. Jim Jefferies delivers a top-tier special. Plus: Santino’s charisma, Nate Bargatze’s stock plummets, Guy Branum’s Delta dust-up, and Theo Von’s date-for-Tate bit goes too far.
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His John again. So what this is. This is the
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normal episode for Friday morning. I had recorded this before
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any of the Kimmel news broke. So what I often
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pretay Friday during the fall because I teach a class
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on Thursday morning. It just makes my life easier, and
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my rule is and if something happens, I'll just do
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a bonus episode. So that's exactly what's going on. In
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case you missed it. Yesterday afternoon, sometime a little before
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four pm Eastern, I dropped a bonus episode where I
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talked about some Kimmel stuff, and then a little while
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after I dropped a second bonus episode that was a
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crossover with Mike Chisholm from The Letterman podcast. So we
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talked for about an hour about Jimmy Kimmel. This that
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you're about to hear is the normal Friday episode, and
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then I'll come back this afternoon and do another Kimmel bonus.
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So here's regular Friday.
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Calioka Shark Media.
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I understand you're not supposed to tell a story at
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the start of the podcast. I'm Johnny Mack with your
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daily coming news, but I gotta find my fastball here.
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You know, when you come down off an adrenaline rush.
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I just had a caper, and as I always say
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in my family, I'll take a caper over a crisis.
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So long story medium, the dog doug a hole under
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the fence and got out. I found out because the
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other dog was crying. I couldn't find the dog. Was
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driving around doing loops and loops. About a half hour in,
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I ran into local PD and I'm like, hey, you
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happen to see a dog running around? He hadn't, but
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he's very friendly and he's like, I'll get the guys
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in on it. So basically, I live in a small
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town and thank you local police department. They were all
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super friendly, super helpful. So I was doing a loop,
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but I came back to my house and they had
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found the dog, and there's like three police SUVs in
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front of my house, all parked haphazardly. I'm sure the
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neighbors thought somebody was murdered. It did not look good
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at all. It looked like some serious stuff went down.
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But I'm coming off that adrenaline rush now, so I
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gotta figure this out. A week or so ago, before
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all the news with the Emmys and and everything else
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that's been going on, in the world. Vulture got David
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Letterman to sit down a very very interesting article, and
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I'm gonna pick away at it. Over the next few
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days and weeks, they started talking about Letterman's ten am show,
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Remember that one. I barely remember it. I remember it
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being a failure, and I've only seen a few clips
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of it. I wish that thing would get released. I'd
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love to watch it, Letterman said, looking at it now
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with age, that was a fascinating life experience. I left
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Indiana thinking everything that's wrong with television and TV comedy.
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I have the solution, and as soon as I get there,
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hang on, if you folks can wait it out another
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year or two, I will solve everything that's wrong with
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comedy on television. And we dropped it down I think
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at ten in the morning or nine in the morning
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across the NBC television network, and the producer of the
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show quit the friday before it was to go on
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the air because he didn't get it. We didn't get him.
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We locked heads. It was nothing but screaming fights. We
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had no other guidance, no north Star except you know what,
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We're sick of all these game shows. Just wait to
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get a look at us, And boy, so was that
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a huge lesson for me? I realized, Yeah, you don't
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really know what you're talking about. And then like a
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month and a half, sixteen weeks, whatever it was, we're gone,
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and we completely blew up the daytime network television schedule
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at NBC. The fact that they were able to keep
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me around and that year of not having anywhere to
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go except comedy clubs was a sad, sad experience for
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me because in show business, as with life, you get
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your one shot and if it doesn't work, you go
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to the end of the line, and who knows how
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long that line is. So against my own ego, against
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my own bitter judgment, we had to sit down and
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it was a learning process, but boy was it tough.
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It was really tough because just the ego involved with
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the wait until you get to look at us was
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so misguided. Vulture points out, if you've seen clips of
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the morning program, a lot of the DNA of Late
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Night was there, including jokes about New York and segments
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like small town News. They were curious how Dave decided
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what to keep and what to change for Late Night.
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Dave said, well, it was interesting because of the failure
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of the daytime show and the restrictions that were placed
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on us in order to protect our relationship with the
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Tonight show. It was nothing punitive, but there were certain restrictions.
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No monologue, no big orchestra. We couldn't book the same
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guests they were booking. All those things actually worked in
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our favor. We had a tremendous group of musicians. I
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wasn't carrying a Johnny Carson monologue for ourselves, and the
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people he was booking would probably have no interest to
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us at that time. That'll change, of course, but that
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helped us. Now. The other side of this, every second
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I was on the air, is waiting to get the
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hook because would come and gone so quickly, and the
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result of it was just darkness for a year. I
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feared that some I'm torn between the two things. It
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didn't work the first time. We have reasons now alter
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the show or to keep it the same way. But
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what the hell happens if this goes away? So the
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first two or three months, I think we're all nervous
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about the outcome, But then again, you have to remember
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those days there was nothing on opposite us, so no
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offense you could have had a show that would have
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been successful. Al dot Com Alabama dot Com caught up
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with Mark Norman. They were curious about his appearances on
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The Joe Rogan Experience. Always a good phrase to say
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in full for the Apple podcast transcripts. That's right, I said,
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Joe Rogan Experience, Mark Norman. What's something interesting behind the
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scenes of the Joe Rogan Experience. Norman said, Well, famously,
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Joe Rogan on The Joe Rogan Experience turns down a
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lot of people. He actually wants to talk to you.
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He doesn't want to have a guy on because he's
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promoting a movie, you know. So I think that show's
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in the show, which of course is called what That's right,
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the Joe Rogan Experience. Whether you watch The Joe Rogan
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Experience or not, I know it's a very divisive topic
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found with fastball, but if you watch it, it's pretty genuine.
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Watch No, it's a podcast. We listen to podcasts, Mark Norman,
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we don't watch them. If Joe Rogan doesn't think it's funny,
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he won't laugh, which is painful for comedian usually. But
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if he thinks it's funny to laugh, if he thinks
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it's interesting, he'll divulge. If he doesn't, he'll move on.
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And it's the opposite of a guy like Jimmy Fallon,
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who's a sweet guy. But I mean, let's be honest,
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he's falling over slapping the desk over a mediocre joke,
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you know. Mark Norman was asked about the future of
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Late Night Company. Mark Norman said, I think there's always
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gonna be talk shows. They're just different formats. It's kind
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of like there's always gonna be a Jenner, but one
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day it's Bruce, the next day it's Caitlin. Things just change.
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That's a funny line. And I think podcasts have filled
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in the gap of talk shows. And so I did
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all the talk shows and those that were relevant and
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those that became a little more irrelevant. So then you go,
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what's relevant. Let me get on Bad Friends with Andrew
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Santino and Bobby Lee, or this past Weekend with Theo
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Vaughn or whatever the pod de jour. So it's just
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morphs it. In five years, it'll probably be a new thing.
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Thanks SEO friends, Caleb Heron has a special out on
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I think I've pointed this out in the past. That's
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the description for every comedy special copywriters. Step it up.
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You can't just go oh yeah, you know, observations on
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things and he's funny, Yeah, we know. Thirty year old
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here On deploys's generational Midwestern wisdom to solve most of
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the world's problems politics, internet trolls, and learning that we're
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not that different from our parents. See that's good copy.
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That was good job there.
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All right.
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I bounced this yesterday. The Toronto Comedy Festival actually kicked
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off Thursday night, But if you listened to yesterday's show,
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I kind of landed in a soft place and was like,
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you should get out now, and I got up then.
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Plus the festival goes quite some time. It goes until
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the twenty seventh. Comedians appearing include Gave Iglesias, Sarah Millikan,
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Maria Bamford Out Madrigal Big, Jay Okerson, and Ron Funches.
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Now also mentioned here Gina Sheer. If you heard yesterday show,
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she had some comments about Charlie Kirk. So we'll see
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how that all shakes out. Well, let's see who's there tonight.
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Sarah Millican at seven, Ron Funches at seven, Jay Jorden seven,
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zarn A garg at seven, Safari Time live taping at seven,
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the JFL Live Sessions at seven, Dual Citizens at seven,
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Gave Iglesias at eight, John Mosten special taping at eight thirty,
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Britney Schmid at nine, more Sapory Time, more John Mosten,
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the Alternative Show with James Adomio and at eleven at
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midnight Mannus at eleven thirty. All right, if we were
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there tonight, just working backwards a Domian doing an all
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show at eleven o'clock, if I could stay awake that long, yeah, absolutely,
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Like Gabe is good, but we know what Gabe does.
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That's a bad use of the festival. The time I
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did the Toronto Comedy Festival is one of my favorites
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because you can really really bar hop in Toronto, and
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that is the best way to do things. I remember
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one time I saw Ryan Bellville and Kate River Wilson
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in a bar somewhere. They were just fantastic. So if
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you're up at the Toronto Festival, don't go see the
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people you've heard of. Do some smaller things. I mean,
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you've heard of James Adomian, but it's an all show.
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Do that.
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And for an early show, let's see Jay Jorden. We
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could do what was the other one? Funches Sarah Milliken?
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Maybe do Sarah at seven o'clock just or something different.
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Can't stop talking about the Emmys. Amy Poehler weighed in
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her guest Benedict Cumberbatch, who said, if you can comedy,
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you can do anything. I really believe that. Amy said,
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of course, you don't have to tell me, babe. Every
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single year the Oscars, everybody in comedy gets blanked and
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all the serious people get up and except it's some
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hot bs, because comedy's not easy. And I gotta tell
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you both you and Olivia Coleman can do both. Yeah.
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I saw a bunch of people mentioning lately like there's
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no best comedic actor. One person who made that point
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is Jim Jeffries on his recent special Shockingly. I watched
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some comedy specials the other night. I started out with
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my friend Larry the Cable Guy, his special on Amazon.
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It's fine. It's Larry doing what Larry does. I don't
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think Larry would tell you I'm trying to do what
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Mark Maron did in his last special. It's Larry being Larry,
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just up there checking jokes. I'll tell you the punch
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line of one, but I won't tell you the setup
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so he won't see it coming. But his no fry
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zone joke is a real good joke. I did notice
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the theater was a little smaller than expected, so it's
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not quite cozy, but it doesn't feel like one of
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those big giant specials. But Larry absolutely should watch that.
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Switched over to Andrew Santino, No, he's in. I think
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it was the Chicago Theater, which is a big, proper
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theater where you know, it's kind of what you're used
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to a special looking like. And I was watching and
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it was fine, and then all of a sudden it
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clicked into me two things. One Santina was just reciting
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the material. I noticed this a lot of times with
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stand up, and I get that the whole thing is
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a performance. I get that the whole thing is memorized,
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but sometimes when you're watching someone, you can tell that
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they're surfing the crowd and kind of feeling the moment.
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Santino was doing his act, not reacting at all to
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anything coming back from the audience. He was just like,
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and now I say these words he told them. Well,
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Andrew Santino's charisma is better than the material in this special.
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a comedy snob, I know that. And then I switched
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over to Jim Jeffery's Two Limb Policy, which is the
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second best special of the year behind Maren if we
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don't include things like the Conan thing, very very funny
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start to finish. Jim is on the surfboard. He's riding
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it well. At one point he does react to the
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crowd reacting to him. I loved Jim Jeffrey special, So
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