March 11, 2025
Lucky Bert Kreischer on Bombing, Alt Comedy, and the Future of TV
In today's episode, host Johnny Mac battles barking dogs to deliver the latest in comedy news. Bert Kreischer discusses bombing in comedy, alt comedy rooms, and touches on political comedy. He also shares insights into the rapidly changing landscape...
In today's episode, host Johnny Mac battles barking dogs to deliver the latest in comedy news. Bert Kreischer discusses bombing in comedy, alt comedy rooms, and touches on political comedy. He also shares insights into the rapidly changing landscape of Hollywood and comedy's renaissance. The episode also features comments on Nish Kumar's provocative approach to comedy, George Wallace's experiences with Johnny Carson, and Caleb Heron's perspective on politics as a marginalized individual. Additionally, there's gossip about Jamie Foxx's family and James Acaster's doomed Channel 4 pilot. The show ends with news about Starburns Industries' fellowship for aspiring screenwriters.
00:36 Burt Kreischer's Insights on Comedy
02:25 Hollywood's Changing Landscape
04:31 Nish Kumar's Bold Comedy
05:51 George Wallace on Johnny Carson
08:34 Jamie Foxx Rumors Addressed
10:06 James Acaster's Show Failure
10:57 Starburns Industries Fellowship
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Callaroga Shark Media. Hey there, it's Johnny Mackets, some barking
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dogs trying to tell you about today's daily coming news. Look, dogs,
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I gotta record this thing. I'mount of time. I gotta
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get move in here. It's a Tuesday, but there doesn't
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seem to be a big Netflix special this week. I
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think they've cleared the runway so John mulaney can have
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all the attention and the PR team working on that
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high dogsky. I wonder if you guys can hear them
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or not the noise cancelation may or may not have
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gotten rid of them. I'll find out by listening back,
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just like you did anyway. Bert Kreischer is the Netflix
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special next week. Friday did a big profile with Bert Krescher,
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and they were curious, Hey, Bert, do you ever still bomb?
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Where it said I don't have to bomb if I
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don't want to. Sometimes it's good not to bomb, per se,
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but to not lean on those little tricks that ensure
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us to do well. Chris Rock's a perfect example. Chris
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Rock works out new material. He doesn't do any of
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the preaching on stage, the walking back and forth. Though,
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let me tell you something, none of that he's really
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he almost reads it off like a book to find
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out if the material really works. I'll do a version
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of that. There are jokes that don't work, there are
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stories that don't work that I commit to you and
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tell the whole thing anyway, just to see if there's
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anything in it really, really insightful answer there, Bert, do
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you ever go to alt comedy rooms and find it
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more challenging? Bert said, yes, of course, I haven't done
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it in a while. I always think I would have
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done better in those alt rooms because I'm a storyteller,
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and that's a more alternative approach to comedy. It feels
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easier to swallow at the Largo or U se Be
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or typewriter Dynastate, whereas at the comedy store you have
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guys doing crowd work and set up punchline, and when
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you tell stories sometimes it confuses the audience. I always
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wondered how I would perform at those places, but I
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didn't do it enough to be honest. A variety mentions
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minor ish spoiler here, I won't ruin it for you,
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but there is a political comment in the special, and
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they asked Bert about that. I won't get into the specifics.
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Bert explained, I don't have a problem telling you I am.
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I don't want to alienate you if you come to
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my show and preach politics. I also don't mind telling
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you I have two little girls and a wife, and
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I stand for women's rights, so I think that's undeniable.
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I don't mind telling you I own a couple of guns.
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I'm not going to preach my views on the NRA
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on stage. I'll just tell you a story about having
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a gun. I'll tell you my daughter thinks I'm a
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misogynists and make a joke about it, or tell an
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abortion joke. There should be a joke. If you go
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out and start preaching politics, sometimes you lose me. It's
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sexier when I don't know your politics. I like when
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a comedian's politics are assumed. So I like to stay
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away from political comedy, but I'm not afraid of it.
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Interesting follow up here, Variety. I heard you send a
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custom Berg Kreischer calendar to people around Hollywood? Is that true?
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I do what's in there. It's all my sexy pictures.
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Will get you one if you want, Variety. I'm intrigued anyway.
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What's the vibe around Hollywood? These days. In terms of
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pitching projects, Bert said, it's the gold rush right now.
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Hollywood is re envisioning the way they make TV and movies.
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You look like in a place like Netflix that invests
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maybe two hundred and fifty grand on a special for
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the majority of comics and sees a wild return on
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that money. Hollywood's now going let's step it up a bit.
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What if we allow them the freedom to say whatever
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they want and maybe we could make a movie that
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one day was thirty five million dollars, So let's see
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if we can do it for seven million dollars. I
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feel very lucky to be alive and working at this point.
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TV and movies are about to explode in Hollywood in
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a really fun and crazy way. It's going to be
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a lot of streamers. I don't think we're going to
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be going to the box office. But if you look
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at Shane Gillis's show Tires that was made on a
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minimum and it's a great show. Shane Gillis, without a doubt,
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is probably the most talented comedic actor of our generation.
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I think people are looking at him and going, if
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Shane's there, then what about THEO Vaughn? What about Naper, Ghetzee,
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what about Dan Soder. It's gonna be really cool to
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see Ralph Barbosa's first TV movie or Renee Vakas first
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TV show. Whatever they decide to do, they're gonna give
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comics a lot more freedom. Us comics, we don't need
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a ton of money. We can make money on the road.
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We just want to make things for our fans. Look
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what happened to radio and podcasting. Joe Rogan runs media.
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In my opinion, he affected an election that was based
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on an eight hundred dollars investment buying a zoomer corder
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and two mics. It changed the media landscape, and I
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think that's about to happen with movies and TV. I
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don't think you're gonna be able to get a ton
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of people in the movie theaters. You'll need ten pole
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events to get people in the movie theaters. You're gonna
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have to get Will Ferrell, Danny McBride, Shaquille O'Neil, and
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Shane Gillis. I'm someone who had a movie at the
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box office and even I'll wait until it comes to streamers.
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I have a screening room in my house. I want
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to use my stuff. Netflix is a great place to
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release stuf because they're so hands off. Tom Sigre has
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a project coming out I think in April. If I'm
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not mistaken, that was untouched by Netflix. It's gonna be
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wild as s sires as Shane and John mckeebrew's fingerprints
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all over it. It does look like Network Notes. It
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looks like a bunch of boys trying to make their
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buddies laugh. I think that's the direction comedy's going in.
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Brady said, do you think we're in a comedy renaissance? Burt? Oh? Yeah,
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stand up comedy right now is where it was when
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Steve Morton, Rich Pryor, Sam Kinnison Andrew Dice Clay were
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making specials. That's two different generations, Burt, right before they
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took over the box office. Look at all these great
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specials that have come out recently. Hollywood producers are getting
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younger and younger and every day, and they're enjoying these
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comedic voices. They're gonna be like, how do I get
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you to do your thing for me? From the New
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York Times Turn of the show Jason Cinnamon under the
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headline is this British flamethrower the comic best suited to
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take on Trump, he went to go see Nish Kumar.
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Jason writes, this is not comedy that's trying to change minds.
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Here he attacks manosphere podcasters like Jordan Peterson, the Canadian
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professor turned popular anti woke guru, as a radicalizing influence,
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and comedians like Jimmy Carr who enabled them for going
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on their shows. He also criticized the left for fixating
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on the wrong questions like whether people can enjoy good
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art by bad people. We all do, he says, with
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a refreshing conclusiveness, which is why he adds, this is
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very f I have preread this. We should all thank
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Russell Brand for never producing anything worthwhile. No one heard
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those allegations of sexual assault and thought, well, how well
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I enjoy get him to the Greek That is very funny.
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Zennaman says. What makes Kumar stand out meet the moment
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is his lack of caution. His funniest material can be
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appealingly reckless. His most virtue, also, bit is an elaborate
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consideration of the assassination attempt of famous person who's on
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TV a lot from New York City and own some casinos.
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I don't need a visit from the fed types. I'm
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just telling what Jason Zeneiman wrote. Chick it up with
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that there's no doing it justice on the page, but
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its rigorous justification of violent thoughts carried the spirit of
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the ferocious comic Bill Hicks in a way that Jason
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z Intimate hasn't seen in many years. Very interesting. If
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feel listen to the show all the time, Niti's name
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tends to come up. It tends to be a weekend items.
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I usually moved the British stuff to the weekends, and
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I see him breaking through over here. The Last Laugh
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podcast caught off with George Wallace. I thought his comments
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about Johnny Carson were very interesting. We'll get to that
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in a second. George says, marketing is just another name
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for BS. So that's why I knew Trump is a
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bs er because it's what I do. All bs ers
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know each other. We don't know each other, but we
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know each other. You can see the BS coming from
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around the corner. It's what we do. So Wallace talked
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about being on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. He
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killed the first night and was invited back on the
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show three more times, but he said he never got
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the wave over to the couch. As George tells it,
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I never got invited over to the couch, but I
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found out something. He recalls a story he heard from
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the manager of band leader Doc Severnson. So, as the
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story goes, Carson quote didn't get along with unquote people
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of color. Wallace started to notice that he wasn't the
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only black comedian who do not get called over to
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the couch. He points out that Red Fox never guest
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hosted the Tonight show to fight the fact that the
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studio was next door, and shares a story about being
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backstage with What's Happening star Shirley Hymnfel when she got
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bumped from a scheduled appearance. She said f Johnny Carson
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as loud as she could and chatted, I'll never do
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this effing show again. Wallis recalled that with a laugh
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in the shake of his head. Did it bother Wallace
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when he realized he may have been treated differently by Carson?
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Of course it did, because when you do in the
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show and you get nineteen applause breaks, that warans you
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to say hello. At least. I just find it interesting.
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I have no idea what the breakdown of comedians waved
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over to the couch is or not. Will reach out
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to Mark Malcoffee, used to do the Carson podcast. I
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will do that as soon as we're done recording here.
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You know, out of one hundred comedians, did two get
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waved over? Did five? Did ninety nine? I don't know
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of the two, five or ninety nine that got waved over.
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I don't know what gender they were. I don't know
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their background. I don't know the religion. I don't know
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what state they were from. I don't know if they
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were British, I don't know if they were. Drew carry
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with classes he got waved over, but so I don't know.
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I also don't know, never mind getting waved over what
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the booking look like. So that's a fair question. Caleb
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Heern did a show at the University of Arkansas and
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The Arc Traveler caught up with him. Caleb explained, the
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politics came to me so early and so naturally because
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I up fat, gay, and poor in Missouri. Casual racism
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and homophobia made him political at a very young age.
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Politics dictates the whole of our lives, especially if you're
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somebody who has marginalized identities. He says he focuses on
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causes rather than candidates. He works with housing and the
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Kansas City Tenant Union here and explains, I think hopelessness
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is a very privileged perspective. I don't really have time
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for hopeless people. The people I know that of the
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most hope are doing the most, and that's what you
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need to do, especially if you have more privileged identities.
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We get to this one. I've bounced this a few times.
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The show's been so busy, and I just bumped four stories.
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Right now, let's hit gossip corner. Apparently there was some
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speculation regarding Jamie Fox, who I used to work with.
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I'm not going to say we were best friends or anything,
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but I clearly worked with him and in the room
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with him. I had many conversations with him. Anyway, there
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was speculation about an alleged illegitimate son. On March third,
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Jamie's nephew p J Stick to his Instagram account and
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shared a story indicating that Uncle Fox has no son.
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Jay also added the decline this person of being called
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a son would be him and no one else. I
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don't remember Jamie having a nephew, but I have not
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worked with Jamie in probably fifteen years at this point,
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so PJ. I don't know how old PJ is, but
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he could have been three. You know, is now eighteen
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years old. So that I don't remember a nephew doesn't
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mean anything. I'm just telling you my personal experience, because
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if you listen all the time, you know that I
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kind of sort of know Jamie a little bit. Anyway.
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A man on Twitter had alleged Jamie to be his
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father and accused him of not being a nurturing parent.
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Now that I will speak to having been around Jamie
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and family members, he's a family guy. Just trust me
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all that. I'm not going to tell you things that
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were probably private. I've seen it with my own eyes.
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Jamie Fox, Eric Bishop is a family guy. PJ began
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his video laughing over the rumors, suggesting they're all baseless,
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but there's a twist. Currently, after pj's video, the accuser
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took to his own YouTube channel, suggesting that Fox to
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go over a month's respond to the claims, further adding
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that he is grateful that PJ and Fox cleared this
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up because he was joking about the alleged marks. He
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shared a video of an apology for Fox and his family.
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I don't know what's going on there. James Acaster has
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confirmed that his Channel four show was axed after a
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disastrous pilot and says everything went wrong. A castor hosted
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a sixty minute episode of People Person. On that show,
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a panel of comedians guess which member of the public
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from a lineup is the answer to each question. A
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