Jan. 24, 2026

Mac and Mike discuss the Top Comedians

Mac and Mike discuss the Top Comedians
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Johnny Macc is joined by Mike Chisholm, the host of the 'Letterman Podcast'.

00:26 Discussing the Top Comedy Specials of 2025
01:29 Debating the Billboard Top 25 Comedians
02:30 Norm Macdonald's Comedy Legacy
05:45 Mitch Hedberg and Dave Attell's Impact
08:18 Nate Bargatze and Comedy Characters
10:55 Adam Sandler's Dramatic Chops
14:18 Dave Chappelle's Masterful Standup
17:55 Riyadh Comedy Festival Controversy



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Callarogus Shark Media. Hi there, I'm Johnny Mack. My guest

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today is Mike Chisholm. He's the host of the Letterman

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podcast Now If You Arnists recently discussed the top ten

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late night hosts. I mentioned at the end of that

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episode that I clipped it and split off a piece

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of that conversation to be its own thing. That is

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this piece that you're hearing today. Mike asked me about

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my list of the top comedy specials of twenty twenty five,

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and let's jump in.

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I want to talk to you about your Billboard list.

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I don't know if we do that here, if we

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do that somewhere else or not, but I appreciated the

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fact I totally disagree with you, but you had a

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little bit of indignation when Norm McDonald appeared on the

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list and I was like, wait a second, of course

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he needs to be on the list. Norm is like

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to me, But that brings it back to what is

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the purpose of the list and how do you get

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on the list? Is it because if it's tickets sold,

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like a guy like Adam Sandler probably deserves to be

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on that list, but like, like, what's the criteria? Right,

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if it's tickets sold, nor McDonald probably doesn't deserve to

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be on that list, right, So like, where where do

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you draw the lines at what categories?

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You know?

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Do you emerge them all together and they become something?

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All right? Boboard's top twenty five comedians of the twenty

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first century so far? So you asked the right question

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of so first of all, with any of these lists,

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and I say this all the time. Yes, my list, here, list,

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somebody else's list. They're all valid. Right. So if you

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said to me, come back next week and give me

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your top ten late night hosts of all time, I'm

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probably gonna flip your top two. And you know, does

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it really matter that I have Carson one and Letterman two? Like?

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Is that really right? We're fighting over we're spiritually saying

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the same thing. When I look at the Billboard list,

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there were some names on there that I was like, yeah, okay,

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of course that makes a lot of sense, And then

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some people I struggled with. One of the names I

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called out was John Stewart, who earlier in this conversation

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I put in some sort of hall of fame and

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said nothing but great things about him. Do I think

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of him as one of the great stand ups. I

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don't he's He's currently out on tour with Pete Davidson

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and I haven't seen him live recently, so maybe he's awesome,

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but I just don't think of him that way. And

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Norm MacDonald, Now please understand, Norm MacDonald has a comedy

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album with I don't know what the titles of the

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tracks are called, but there's a bit about the Fantastic Four,

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and one about Superman and one about the the Let's

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break this apart? Okay, you got time? Got time? Yes,

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so the Fantastic for a bit, I'll do the poor

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man's version of it until loose spoil for it, spoiler

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for everybody. And again I'm not telling it right. But

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the setup is Norm is read Richard's and he's giving

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everyone their nicknames, and he's like, well, Sue, you know

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you're uh, you're invisible, so you'll be the invisible woman. Okay, great,

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great great? And Johnny you're uh, you know you light

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on fire. You'll be the uh, we'll call you the

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human torch. Okay, yeah, I like that. And me, I'm

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a I'm a mister fantastic And they're like, well you

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shouldn't you be like mister stretchy Man or something. No, No,

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I'm mister Fantastic And it's a great bit. And then

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the album goes on to the Disease Gambler sportscaster. Right,

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so I don't know if you know this bit, but

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they're calling the Jets game and and I don't know

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if it's Dan Patrick. It's like somebody legit is calling

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the games, like, you know, the Jets will line up

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here for you know, a third and five. They don't

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make this, you know, they'll have to punt, and Norm's

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characters going, well, actually, you know, if they're gonna win

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by six and a half, they should go for it

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like that kind of humor because he's clearly got money

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on the game, and that's hilarious. And then there's a

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Superman bit where where nobody believes that Clark Kent is Superman.

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They think somebody else is Superman. But because he wants

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to hook up with Lois Lane, he's trying to convince

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everyone that he is Superman. And it's just it's a

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wonderful album, but it's all sketches. It's one of my

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favorite comedy albums. It's fantastic, yep, but it's not stand up.

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Norms stand up, especially the posthumous special, is really good.

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But I don't think of him as as a stand up.

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I picture him doing OJ jokes behind the desk. Now,

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I'm not throwing tomatoes at the idea of Norm McDonald,

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but just I just wouldn't think of him as a

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as a stand up.

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Well, it's funny because I put him on the list

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for the same reason that you celebrated putting a tel

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on the list. He's a stand up stand up you

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know at tel is is I don't you know, you

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get guys along the way, you know, prior Kinnison to

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some hicks, you know, some of these people that do

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become like they're the they're the revered ones by the

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comedians themselves. I think Norm is certainly that guy to

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a certain group, and I think atl is as well.

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So that I put Norman for that reason. I give

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him the intangible reason because he probably doesn't have the

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box office that some of the some of these other

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people do. But at the same time, so many people

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revere him like like there's a part in The New

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Letterman with Adam where where Adam Adam Sadler's talking about

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being on tour the last tour all we do that

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with Norm, and you just see Dave go all like

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he like he has a thrill emotional reaction just to

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hearing the first name of Norm MacDonald and and it's

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there's so many people out there who feel that way

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about Norm and and so I think that that's why

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I think Mitch Heedberg sort of has a similar uh

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almost almost an infa It's not infamy, but it's it's

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it's a reverence. And I think he's got a similar

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one as well. I put I put those guys in

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the same category. All right, let's talk about Mitch and

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then I'll come back to a tell for me. Sure,

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I think one of the truths of Mitch's career.

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Is that it's short.

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And I've had Hedberg related guests on the show, and

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I do wonder twenty years into that style would he

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have had to evolve. Around the time of his death,

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he was starting to work more quickly because the crowd

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wouldn't let him stay in the slower pace. You've got

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the two albums on the posthumous album, and that's the

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body of work, and a couple of Letterman appearances and

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a few random things, and it's all great. But what

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happens if you tag twenty more years onto that see

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our earlier discussion about Dane Cook, who nobody talks about now.

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So is Mitch a shooting star? And that helps our

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memory of Mitch probably As for David's till Johnny MANX

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show me the body of work, I can't. But I've

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been in rooms where Dave Tel shows up and does

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it's not even crowd work. I'll call it crowd surfing.

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You know, hey, what's going on here? Everybody? And he's

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just kind of riffing and you're having a good time.

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And back to my three am nuclear test of I

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got to wake up comedian out of bed and go, hey,

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I got a room of eighty people in the other

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room and I need somebody to do twenty minutes.

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Can you do it?

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Hell be a pretty safe bet.

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There, absolutely, yeah, Like see, there you go.

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You articulated the point that I was trying to get across,

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like show me the body of work. Well, but at

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the same time you talk to he like I was

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listening to Roga the other day and somebody somebody said,

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oh yeah, and then.

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A Tel showed up and Joe went, oh, like like

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it's the same kind of thing.

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Like it.

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They just have reverence for a Tel like a Tel

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is just that he's that guy. But again, you know,

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when you're comparing him to a Nate Barghassi, you know

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who's selling out stadiums all over the place, and they're

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talking about a theme park.

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They're talking about.

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Theme parker, That's that's not real, right, there's nothing that

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I think is real.

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He's thinking that.

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No, he's serious about it, So Nate, So again, guy

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and guy recording a podcast in his basement. Shut up?

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What do you know you're you're talking to sure people?

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Shut up? I get it.

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Well, Nate's you know, playing the hockey arena.

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I get it.

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But back to the three am test. If I got

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to wake somebody out of bed and go hey, Nate,

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I get eighty people in the other room and need

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you to just uh, you know, crush twenty minutes, and

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he's going to go into a room cold and do

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his act. I'll take a tell in that scenario.

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Okay, So now that we're talking, yeah, I would too.

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I would too.

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Now we're talking about Nate and we're talking about mitch

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Heedburg and and at the end of the day, both

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of these guys are characters.

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They're both you know, Steve Stephen Wright.

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I mean, okay, so mitch Heedberg, he might be like

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a Stephen Wright right now, uh where where where he's

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still to be been around and stayed on on, you know,

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in that style. When Nate hosted what did he was it?

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The wasn't the Emmys Crownies, No, the Emmys.

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It was EMMI. It was the Emmies. Yeah, yeah, yah,

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where he did the timer thing and all that.

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By the way, we don't even know is the point,

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but go ahead, we sure don't know.

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We'd he's the same guy. He's the character. Like I

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love the character.

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I love the dumb you know, slightly slightly dim, you know,

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like like like like I love the character that he

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is when he's on stage. It's fantastic. But to me,

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it's a little one dimensional. If you put it and

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present it in the wrong place, I think it's gonna

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fall f I don't understand how it would go for

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a theme like I don't. I don't understand how a

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theme park would work, like I don't.

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Know Nate Land the Family, Yeah, Lee Nashville base You know,

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you go on the I don't know Nate Coaster and

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I don't know.

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I I don't.

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I don't get it. I think he's insane. I think

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it's hey, Wan of Eat is to where hockey read

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is and and and be the highest grossing comedian. I

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don't know why he would want to get into to

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the theme park business. I don't understand. It's interesting. It's

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interesting to say the least. But did you see the

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trailer for the movie?

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I haven't yet. I still haven't.

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It's on my list of things to Yeah, I know

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I've heard, I've heard things.

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I now Kevin James was sick that day, I'll put

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it that way.

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But it's so funny how how like Like when you

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talk about how you know comedy is, it's it's it's

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one of those things where you know it's contextualized through

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the eye of the beholder and what their opinion is.

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Like Like I did not watch Happy Gilmour two for

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a month based on hearing people's reaction to it, and

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the the reason that was the case is because I

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have a special place in my heart for the original

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Happy Gilmore. I was in that perfect you know, late teen,

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early twenty kind of kind of place. And my friends

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and I went on and saw Happy Gilmore on opening night,

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and we thought it was funny as all get out,

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like we were the demographic for that movie. And when

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I when this movie, when when the sequel came out,

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I was excited to watch it, but then I heard

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the reactions for it. I watched the movie. I really

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liked it. I thought it was I thought it was funny.

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I enjoy I you know, so it's always in the

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eye of the beholder. But yeah, like that being said

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a theme park, I don't know. I just I don't.

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I don't. I don't get it.

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your opinions are stupid. You don't even have Johnny Carson

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number one, so you don't know what you're talking about.

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But talking about good Adam Sandler movies, they just see

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j Kelly, great dramatic at gra Adam Sandlor. He's so goodness,

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so good.

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I watched it, do that. Watch yep, yep, yep, yep.

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They're talking about Oscar buzz already like and then.

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Helpe he wins.

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I hope he wins too.

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We need to because they didn't reward him for uncut gems.

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They need to reward him this time and be like, Adam,

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you're free.

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You're free. Now go do this.

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You're free. You're free. If every couple of years you

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need to like buy another mansion and you want to

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do a sixteen city arena tour and then some dumb songs, Okay,

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it's fine, but you don't need to make happy Gilmore three.

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You don't need it.

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Just just do this. What sing your dumb songs?

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His songs make me cry, like like like that's that's

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that's the thing I will watch if I'm in the

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if I'm in the exact right mood, where all of

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you know, my hormones and and and and pheromones and

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all the things are mixed in the exact right way,

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and I had the right the right day at the

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office or the wrong day at the office perhaps, and

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you put on Adam Sandler singing his David Letterman song

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four days before Dave left. I cry like a baby,

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like that guy can make me cry. I listened to

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I listen to his song about Chris Farley. I cry

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like a baby.

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Oh my gosh, does that guy.

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I know how to manipulate emotions, like like all of them.

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You know, certain people he can make laugh. I know,

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not you, but certain people he can make laugh. But

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like as an actor. I mean, and this is where

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I think you'll really enjoy watching the Letterman thing, because

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he talks about going to NYU to study to be

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an actor. It had nothing really to do. Yes, he

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did do stand up and things like that, but he

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actually studied to be an actor.

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And boy does it show. J Kelly was phenomenal. It

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was so good. I loved it.

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It was just it was a movie movie in an

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error where everything is shorthand the Avengers with fast cuts

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and special effects and explosions, and I live on Old

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Man Mountain and admit it fun. But this was a

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movie movie with characters and a plot. And I don't

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need three sequels. I don't need J. Kelly too to

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find out what happened to him. Like, it's good, you

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tell the story. We're out. And it was great. And Sandler,

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the great dramatic actor, Adam Sandler is really good in it.

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I hope he wins an Academy Award hosted by Codin O'Brien.

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Oh wouldn't that be fun?

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God, I didn't even think about that, like like like

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let him even talk to Sandler about about the Mark

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Twain Awards and and how cool it was. And I

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liked Sandler on the on the twenty Awards. I thought

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it was a clever bit that he did. But the

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idea that they were on that stage, you know, a

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few months ago, and in a couple of months, they

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could be on the stage together and and Sandler could

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win an oscar.

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That's that's captured. That's captured the whimsy. I love that.

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I love that idea. That's a great style.

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I'm starting to really respect a part of Saandlor because

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I also liked to dress comfortable. So I like the

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way he dresses and I understand it. And he's a

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family guy and I'm a family guy, so I understand that.

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And if Netflix offers you fifty million dollars to do

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Happy Gilmore three, I kind of understand holding your nose

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and doing it. I get it. But you know, hey,

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traumatic chops, make some more of that in between the

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dumb stuff?

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Yeah?

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Please do. I mean they even showed it. They showed

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a clip of uncut gems in the in the the

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My next guest, I looked at it and.

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She went ool.

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Adam Saylor is indeed a great dramatic actor. We'll take

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the break here, come right back. We'll talk a little

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more about Dave Chappelle with Mike Chisholm. Mike Chisholm is

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the host of The Letterman podcast, and he wanted to

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talk Dave Chappelle.

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We need to talk about Chappelle.

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I've watched this thing three times and uh, oh, well,

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it just it was so masterful, like like I wanted

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to hear him talk about Riod more than once.

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second time.

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It's okay, I want to okay, because the closing bit

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was phenomenal.

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I don't know how.

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Many threads he took and then tied them all together

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in a beautiful bow at the end, maybe five or

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six of them. That closer was amazing. But then I

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wanted to go back and listen to him talk about

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Riod again. And so here's my question for you when

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you hear because you have a different perspective when it

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comes to comics, like the blurring of the line of

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a stand up act of making up ridiculous things because

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it's funny and and and clearly these things are not

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true versus this is autobiographical. I'm gonna go through some

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of this stuff and then I'm gonna make jokes around it.

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Right to me, Dave has done maybe the best job

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of everybody of bloring those lines where you don't know

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if he's being serious. You don't know if he's being ridiculous.

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You don't know if it's satire or if it's just

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complete horseshit. You know, you just don't know. I was

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very curious as to what your reaction was when he

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talked about Riod. Sure, so let me back it up

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a level.

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If when I was really involved being around comedy all

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day my years, it's serious, especially when I was listening

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to stand up eight ten hours a day, all the time,

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just listening to everybody's best material in the version they

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chose to release, I really was able to see and

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hear the matrix. For those of us who are ancient

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and in grade school, how to graph sentences, Remember that

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underline the noun and all the circle the verb and

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all that. Yep, So I was able to start to

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really see, Okay, here's how how it goes. Here's a premise.

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Now I'm going to here's a premise based in truth.

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Now I'm going to slightly exaggerate it. Now I'm going

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to add the third thing that didn't happen at all,

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but it's funny. And now I'm going to circle back

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to the original premise. And if you break apart of

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a lot of stand up, it does follow that set up.

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So there are a lot of times I can see

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a punchline coming. I remember when I went to see

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Craig Ferguson, he dropped a random name like twenty four

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minutes into the set, and I'm like, one percent, that's

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a callback, And I just sat there for the rest

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of the show waiting for him to throw back to

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the random celebrity. I won't spoil it because the special

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is out, but I'm like, this is just going.

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To come back.

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So, you know, I I believe Dave when he says

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what he says, and I'm sure he exaggerated some of

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the jokes. Should we go spoilers here? People had?

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I know, I think, so, okay, we're going to talk

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about Chabelle special. We're gonna break it down.

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Wailers, everybody, uh the you know, the Falcon joke and

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the falcon callback is the funniest thing in the whole thing.

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And he uses the falcon joke and is defiant about

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the blowback on some of his transgender material, and it's hilarious.

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And here's a guy doing his craft and he's telling

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us I heard you and I don't give a hoot

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and getting laughs out of it. So, you know, I

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I think it's reality exaggerated for comedic effect. You know,

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I don't think. I don't think he's going home at

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night going on. I shouldn't have done that, but right

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I gotta come up with ten minutes of material. I

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think it's all based in truth.

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Yep, there you go. I love. I love.

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Also, we'll go back to your show for a second

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here whenever Riodd comes up. You know you've got a

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bit kind of on that as well. Are you open

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to talking about like like when Zoe was on here

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a few weeks ago, I talked to her about about

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real like like, do you actually have an opinion about

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comedians going over there and and being part of that

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or is it all you know, I'm just going to

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talk about people blowing up about it, and I'm going

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to make a little bit of fun of that.

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I'll take you on my journey. Had you come to

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me earlier in the year and said, Hey, there's a

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real comedy festival. I hear you do the show. It's

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called Daily Comedy News. Do you want to come and

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cover it? I say yes, I would. I will. Oh wow.

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I get to go to Riot and they're paying for it,

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and I'm staying at this cool hotel and I to

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get Chappelle backstage, and I get time with Bill Burrn.

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I'm getting all this great content. Yep, sign me up,

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no problem. So I don't want to be a hypocrite

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with that. As we got closer to it and it

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became more of an issue and I thought more about it,

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it just seemed a little weird. I kind of have

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landed on. I respect Pete Davidson going they paid well.

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I don't know at all relate to Pete Davidson and

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the nine to eleven can ation to this whole story

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and Pete Pete just being like they paid well whatever.

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You know, Like, I think my father passed away of cancer.

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So I think if Lucky Strike Cigarettes wanted to sponsor

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Daily Comedy News, I just wouldn't do it. It would

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just feel weird to me, right, so so I just

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wouldn't take their money. But again, hey, John, it's one

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hundred billion dollars. That's generational wealth. You sure you don't

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want to say Daily Comedy is brought to you by

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Lucky Strike for twelve months and it's a fucking podcast

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and who cares? You know, Sorry, Chris, but maybe, but

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maybe I maybe I get there, So I don't want

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to be too holier than now. So the Pete Davidson

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part of it of just hey paid really well, okay,

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Kevin Hart took another paycheck. He you know, clearly Kevin

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Hart likes paychecks, and we'll take a paycheck for everything.

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He has the second best special of the year, by

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the way, he's hilarious.

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Very good. It's very good.

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But okay, but then when you get into Burr and

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Bill Burr, you know they're just like, I guess they

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got a Chipotle, Like what what are you talking about?

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Like it was like he needed to like retrofit his

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defense of why he went there or as if if

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if classic Bill Burger just went you know what, they

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maaybe three out of fifty grand f you yeah, okay, okay, okay,

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so I think I've landed on that. So and there's

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been zero, zero blowback on anyone's career. No one, anyone

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who played there is doing just as well. So they

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all got there, they all got their paycheck. Is there?

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Maybe there's a point too, We have to start these

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conversations somewhere, So Jessica Kerson doing her thing maybe opens

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up some sort of small door. Only time will tell

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if that is true or not. If there's a ri

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Odd Comedy Festival twenty twenty six and the twelve names

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come out of it, I don't think it'll be such

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a big thing. You know, we we we you talk

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about the bit, I do so so much like everything

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we've talked about, it's based in reality. Now. I do

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play things up on the show. There were recurring jokes.

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If the Golden Globes comes up, I go into you know,

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and one time Joe coy tild this horrible meme joke

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about Taylor Swift and I play that it's just a bit,

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and the audience I think knows where I'm heading for

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the bit, and then sometimes I go but we don't

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have time for that right now, and I don't turn

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a bit, which is differently funny, I hope.

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You know.

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So if somebody were playing Riod in twenty six, yeah,

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you know I do. Oh and you know Joe schmol

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is playing the Odd Comedy Festal, I'd probably continue to

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do my little side dig. But now, as I'm talking,

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as I think, if Riod reaches out to me in

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twenty six and says, hey, you know you want to

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come and stay at the hotel and we'll we'll get

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your backstage and get tim it's with you know whatever

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comedians are playing it, boy, that that's you know, Mike,

471
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that's a really interesting question. Do I go for all

472
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the content now? Honestly because of being really now I'm

473
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really talking, because of the stuff I've said in the podcast,

474
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I probably i'd probably be actually afraid to go. Yeah

475
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that's so you know what, I'm going to just tide

476
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out here in the basement and not go get ten

477
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minutes with Dave Chappelle. So so these are all these

478
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are all difficult conversations to have, But I don't think

479
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anybody's done damage to their career.

480
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I don't think they have either.

481
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And in fact, I think some of the controversy I

482
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think is even manufactured a little bit and amplified in

483
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ways that you know, isn't isn't isn't real. I think

484
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that's one of the things that I love about Dave Chappelle.

485
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You know, this wasn't an a special but but after

486
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he was quote unquote canceled, you know, he went to

487
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a full areada and looked around and said, am I canceled?

488
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Like the idea of perception and reality and and and

489
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how far away from each other they can be. Sometimes

490
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I thought back to, like I remember in ninety one

491
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when Metallica played Moscow, and I remember the feeling of

492
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you know, obviously, in ninety one, the communication, you know,

493
00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:10.039
was was drastically different than it is now. All we

494
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got was what we saw in the newspapers or saw

495
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in the news or saw on CNN. The internet was

496
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in its infancy and and and and and so communication

497
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was a lot slower. But I think back to when

498
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Metallica played there, and and the feeling of Okay, so

499
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now we have connection. We have connection with this thing

500
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that I grew up fearing. I grew up fearing Russia

501
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and everything about in the Cold War and all that,

502
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and then suddenly you have, you know, the most badass

503
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rock and roll band on our side, going and playing

504
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in front of I forget how many people, hundred thousd people, hudred,

505
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twenty thousand people, whatever it was. And I remember that

506
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feeling and it was like, Oh, that's cool because it's connection,

507
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and it's it's it's patriotism too.

508
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You know, they're embracing our ways. This is what we want,

509
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rah rah.

510
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But it was also this feeling of connection. It was

511
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it was it was a cool feeling. And I look

512
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back and look at now this generation who's in the

513
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you know, in the eighteen to twenty five demo or

514
00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:10.039
eighteen to thirty five demo, and how they react to

515
00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:14.960
something that could be viewed as similar. You know, you've

516
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got Americana. I mean, America's what I would consider probably

517
00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:27.319
premiere homegrown art form, and it's going to the other

518
00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:31.519
side of the world to talk to places that are

519
00:24:31.559 --> 00:24:35.599
slower into discovering some of the truths that we have discovered.

520
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To me, that's an instacol unless like when you come

521
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back and you start saying, oh, but I'm gonna take

522
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it and donate it to this and I'm gonna do that,

523
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and I'm gonna and now I'm dancing on the hot

524
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seat because of this. To me, it's like, no, go there,

525
00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:50.680
do your art and and and and shine your light

526
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because it'll help make the world a little bit less

527
00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:57.519
dark to me is the argument for.

528
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So I don't know. I don't.

529
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But that's also because I got Metallica in my head

530
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from all those years ago, and perhaps that's where that

531
00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:06.519
perspective comes from.

532
00:25:06.759 --> 00:25:09.599
And you have to separate the audience from whatever might

533
00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:14.839
bother you about a particular government. I mean, I can

534
00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:19.960
tell you in the last ten years, I travel and

535
00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:23.599
I tell people the country I'm from, and I don't

536
00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:27.119
get the reaction I used to get, and you know,

537
00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:29.200
I wind up saying things that we're not all like that,

538
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and you know, the days of it, I'm from America

539
00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:39.599
and people in other countries going, oh cool, that's not

540
00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:44.759
a right right now. But please don't boycat my podcast

541
00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:49.160
because you know I openly don't support fascism. Right I

542
00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:53.039
go get the scrubs DVDs. I walk up, So for

543
00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:57.119
your audience. When when when they took Kimmel off the air,

544
00:25:57.200 --> 00:25:59.599
I went into a bit about don't think I'm in

545
00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:01.880
the basement just pushing that green button. On my Roku

546
00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:04.400
and watching Scrubs on Hulu. I go upstairs and I

547
00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:06.480
get the DVDs out of the closet. I'm a man

548
00:26:06.640 --> 00:26:08.720
of integrity, and I walk three flights of stairs and

549
00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:11.599
load the DVDs to the PlayStation five. I don't just

550
00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:14.319
push that green button. I do not support fascism, because

551
00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:16.599
you gotta have the courage of your convictions. Mike, he's

552
00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:19.480
my Chisholm. He hosts The Letterman Podcast. Check it out

553
00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:21.799
wherever you get your shows. If you want to see

554
00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:23.920
how boring it is to watch me talking to microphone.

555
00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:25.920
There's a video version of the Letterman Podcast. I'm the

556
00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:29.319
guest on a few episodes, including one recently where we

557
00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:31.839
talked about the all time a late night host. So

558
00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:33.799
you can check out the Letterman Podcast wherever you get

559
00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:35.720
your shows. Meets you back here tomorrow.