Dec. 7, 2024

Matthew Broussard Discusses New Comedy Special 'Hyperbolic' and His Journey in Comedy

Matthew Broussard Discusses New Comedy Special 'Hyperbolic' and His Journey in Comedy

Johnny Mac hosts comedian Matthew Broussard, discussing Broussard's new comedy special 'Hyperbolic', personal anecdotes about his career, and experiences in comedy.

Hyperbolic marks the full-length debut special from comedian Matthew Broussard, a...

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Johnny Mac hosts comedian Matthew Broussard, discussing Broussard's new comedy special 'Hyperbolic', personal anecdotes about his career, and experiences in comedy.

Hyperbolic marks the full-length debut special from comedian Matthew Broussard, a veteran of Conan, Roast Battle, and The Tonight Show. In this sharply honed set, Matthew dives into painfully personal experiences growing up Cajun-Jewish in a WASPy Southern prep school, the challenges of millennial masculinity as the bread loser to a former pro athlete, and candid stories about mental health struggles in his family. Plus some oddly keen sidebars into grammar, etymology, pharmaceutical origin stories, and statistics.

Matthew began his stand-up career 13 years ago aiming to leave his finance job behind. Five years in, he released a half-hour special through Comedy Central. Then he spent the next eight years on the road collecting stories, gaining a fiancee, and losing a father. His comedy is heady, self-effacing, and weirdly… educational?

Hyperbolic will be available everywhere comedy is streamed or sold on December 10, 2024.

Broussard shares stories about his family, his relationship with his professional swimmer fiancée, and reflections on the comedy scene, including crowd work challenges and the influence of social media on comedy. The episode also touches on industry experiences like JFL New Faces and working on 'Marvelous Mrs. Maisel'.

00:00 Cliffhanger Recap
01:17 Personal Stories and Comedy Journey
05:56 Audience Interaction and Comedy Craft
10:14 Comedy Influences and Inspirations
12:44 Comedy Evolution and Industry Insights
16:43 Political Comedy and Personal Style
18:35 New Faces Experience and Industry Critique
20:16 Landing the Big Break
21:21 The Roast Battle Experience
25:54 Challenges in the Comedy Industry
27:16 The Influence of Comedy Podcasts
34:57 Cancel Culture and Audience Behavior
37:34 Upcoming Special Hyperbolic

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Callaroga Shark Media.

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Be there. I'm Johnny Mack with your daily comedy news. Now.

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When we last left, I left you on a cliffhanger.

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Did Matthew Brossard show up? Of course he showed up.

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I don't know. I saw one of the bus. Of

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course he showed up. He was fantastic. We did about

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forty five minutes raw with We had a technical snafpoo

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in the middle, so I'll take the break there. What

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happened was he had his ring light plugged in but

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not his phone, and his phone ran all the way

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down to zero. So all of a sudden you'll hear

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him drop out mid sentence. I'll explain that when we

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get to it. He's got a new special. It is

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called Hyperbolic. It is his full length debut special. In Hyperbolic,

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Matthew Bisard dives into painfully personal experiences growing up Cajun

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Jewish and a waspy Southern prep school, the challenges of

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millennial masculinity, is the bread loser to a former pro athlete,

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and candid stories about mental health struggles in his family,

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plus some oddly keen sidebars into grammar, etymology, pharmaceutical origin stories.

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And statistics. If you've heard me interview comedians in the past,

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this is a typical ride. We'll get into the structure

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of comedy. We'll talk a little crowd work, feeding the Beast,

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his favorite comedians, some comedy snobbery on my part. He

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turned me on to some people that weren't on my radar,

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and I really enjoyed. Mattie restart. Where are you today?

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I'm in my apartment in Brooklyn and sitting here. My

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fiance's out taking her Paris to the museum. So thank

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you for giving me an excuse to bail on in

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law entertainment.

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How'd you wind up in Brooklyn by way.

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Of Corpus Christy, Atlanta, Houston, LA? And then ended up

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here to.

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Work comedy out of New York as post LA.

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Yes, so I was dating my fiance who lived in Austin.

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I lived in LA and we wanted a place where

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we could both kind of do in the best version

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of the careers we were seeking.

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So she was a swimmer. You were a swimmer. Did

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you guys meet as swimmers or did you meet as commons?

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No, she was a swimmer. I did not swim on

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that level. I swam as a recreational swimmer. She was

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like a professional old dudes.

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I read an article yea, yeah, yeah, old dudes like

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me in the pool and you.

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Yes, yes, I was a I worked for the swim

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team in college, so I kind of knew of her

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through swimming. She knew of me through friends in swimming.

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In comedy, but yeah, just I was mostly I found

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her because she was a pro swimmer who I was

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a fan of and thought was very attractive.

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So did you get her into comedy or is that

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just an independent thing?

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Independent thing?

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I would say it's more she liked me because she

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was interested in comedy.

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And was doing improv when we met.

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Do you do shows together?

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Yes, so she comes into features from me on the road. Fantastic, Yeah,

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and it's pretty fun. We started doing Q and A

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at the end of the shows. It's it's neat. I

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have to tweak my set a little bit, because there's

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there's just no world in which there's no world in

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which you don't you don't know. Even people can be

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very stupid, people can be very smart. Most people understand

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when one comic is here from New York City who's featuring, Well,

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they didn't fly here to do twenty minutes, so clearly

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they may have come along with the headliner, and that

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we are the same age and share a lot of

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the similar demographics, it's not unreasonable to assume that we

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are partners. And even beyond that, the biography, the dual biography,

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you'd have to be pretty dense to not figure out

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that my professional swimmer fiance turned comedian was not her.

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Though some crowds have very much surprised me. I've had

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people after the show after I've set everything go. So

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just question. I noticed as she mentioned a lot of

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the things you mentioned, was that your fiance like they're

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Sherlock Holmes, and do.

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You guys get along in terms of like if you

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do fiance jokes. Does she understand the difference between the

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character the fiance or does that spill over? Yeah, back

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to Brooklyn, I think we all get it.

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We have to.

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You have to kind of force some details through for

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the sake of narrative and character, and you might have

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to embellish details. And I think we both understand that.

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And there are things that are said about us that

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are not accurate. But luckily we go up there and

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get to represent ourselves. So I say better than in

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most relationships where the other partner has no voice besides

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mocking impression.

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I have been.

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Really trying in my comedy to be extremely truthful. I

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do try to keep the stories pretty accurate, so at

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least on a detail space, especially about my mom.

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I have a lot of stories about my mom on

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the special that are.

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My favorite jokes, and it feels like cheating because I

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don't have to make up anything. The details all happened

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as I told them, sometimes even a little more ridiculous

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than the story I told. And my mom doesn't like

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certain details. I read a note she wrote on stage.

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It's the one pushback I've ever gotten from her.

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Oh what did she say?

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She doesn't like it. She sent this note, and you

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can if you want to hear the note. I think

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it's the I think it's my favorite thing I've ever

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talked about on stage is this note. It's the funniest

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thing I think I've accomplished. But the note is from

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my mom to my fiance for her birthday. And I

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told her I'm going to read this and say. She goes, okay, fine,

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whatever you want to do. I don't get why it's funny,

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and then she came through a show where I read

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it out loud and she heard everyone laughing, and she

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still can't understand why it's funny. She still can't understand

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why people are laughing at this thing. She goes and

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they're laughing at me, and I have to explain her, No,

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they're more laughing at how earnest you are. It's not

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that anyone thinks. It's that people feel the things you're feeling.

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It's just so rare and interesting and funny to hear

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them so baldly expressed. I mean, there's a lot of

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stories about my mom that I have, and a lot

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of stories with my parents they have in my back

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pocket that I don't realize are good for comedy until

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I just tell them to someone and I realize they

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are not a normal experience.

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Do you have a home club where you work stuff out?

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Home club the celler, But I don't work out stuff there.

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Sure, sure, yeah. I work out stuff more on the road,

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So when I have a full hour, I like to

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That's where I tend to stretch out, because if that's

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strange fallus. The difference is work it out in the city,

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take it to the road, absolutely opposite of the road,

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there's so much more leeway. They're already there to see you,

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whereas the club is just in the city is so competitive.

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It's like, I don't even know if it's a great

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training ground. I think it's just it's more of a showcase.

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It's where you go to prove yourself every night, not

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to improve yourself.

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So how will you work things in? Are you like, say,

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I don't know, thirty eight minutes in playing stuff that

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you know lands and you're like, all right, feel in

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the moment here, let me just yeah, try something.

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Touch it where you know it's safe, feel the momentum,

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and when you have it, be ready for it to

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all go away very quickly. When you're a new joke

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doesn't work, and learn how to sneak things in where

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it fits because a lot of time because like the

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best jokes I had wouldn't work by themselves. It's just

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that they're propped up by a lot of material around it.

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So it's that structuring. And then sometimes I've started to

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do a little thing where I just kind of tell

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the crowd this is the new section and just have

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all those kind of fail safe So what I miss is,

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you know, just go well, that did not.

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Work the way I hoped, And you know you usually

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get a little last.

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Yeah, because as an audience member, we're all in it together,

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especially if you tell us like, hey, you know, I'm

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trying stuff out here and you make the Bob Hope

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face of oops, that didn't like you know, that's fun

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to be in the room.

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Yes, the more successfully are, the more you get away

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with that.

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I have bachelor atte parties who never didn't know who

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I was when they bought the tickets and probably won't

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again after the show, who don't have the patience for

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my artistic process.

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So you talked about dropping something into a successful set.

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I've really been on my soapbox this year. That tiktokization

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of comedy now of you know, here's crowd work or

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here's a good slam, and I feel like we're starting

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to lose the art of an arc man.

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Yeah, buddy, I'm already a member. I've already a remember

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this church. You don't need to preach to me. I

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it upsets me. I go back and forth because on

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one hand, the modular form joke is a strength of mine.

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I am not a full on jazz on like Mark

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normand but I do have jokes that I can extract

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thirty to ninety seconds in length that are a good meal,

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a full piece of comedy, and that has served me

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very well on social media. And that I have modular

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form jokes. I didn't get into comedy to do that.

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I like jokes that pay off just kind of you

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get a sense of completion, a couple of lasts and

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a good circularity that a joke requires. But this doing

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this special was I debated if it was worth doing.

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I'm still debating if it's worth doing. I'm going to

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be able to extract a lot of clips out of

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with you WAT, And I think there's going to be

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structure in ARC. It's not a full hour structure, but

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there are three chunks that each kind of have their

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own theme to it. And this is not meant to

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be study. This is not meant to be like some

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you'll feel the thing where you want and if you're

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even watching passingly, I think there's a real good density

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of jokes throughout. So I don't know, I don't like

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that that shortening of attention span. I do think you

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kind of you know things moving cycles. I think that

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attention span kind of hit the bottom kind of hit

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that plank length and now it's kind of broadening back out.

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And I would attribute.

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Josh Johnson's success to that as well as his talents.

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But Josh Johnson is going so far the other way now,

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and I think there's an appetite for something that's more

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than twelve seconds.

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Sure, and you know, you know, I get too close

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to it, as you know somebody who is a fan

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and studies this. I recently went to see Craig Ferguson

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and he made a random reference like eight minutes in,

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and the back of my brain spent the next forty

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minutes going, he's going to bring that back, He's going

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to bring that. My wife's just sitting there as a

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civilian enjoying a good show, and I'm analyzing the structure

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in my head, and like sometimes that drives me insane

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when I do that.

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Yeah, turn off the left brain. Yeah, the check out.

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I love that.

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You could spot the Chekhov's guns 's comedy. Yeah, that's

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exactly what that is. That's that's funny. Uh, there's there's comics.

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I mean, I don't I don't mind the you know,

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you can feel your.

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Left brain working. It's like I imagine how like a

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coach feels watching a game. When you watch out of

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the comedian who are the comedians?

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Your left brain turns off and you start to feel

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like you're not a comedian.

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So, you know the tree that starts with Stephen Wright

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threw Hebberg into Dimitri and whoever else you want to

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put on that tree. You know, that's sort of just random, like, oh,

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your brain works different than differently than Melfanakis.

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And I would say, now, right now, Casey Rocket is

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probably the greatest successor.

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Oh, I don't know Casey. I want to check Casey

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out immediately.

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Oh yeah, but.

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But yeah, you know, I'll get too close to it

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and I'll you know, i'll see the okay that happened,

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that's exaggerated for effect, that didn't happen at all. But

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it's funny like and you know, I hate that part

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of it. So I like going for the ride when

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I get a belly laugh of someone saying something that

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I didn't at all see coming I treasure.

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Yes, that's that's a wonderful feeling.

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I had that with a what's his name Chad Daniels

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joke this week, and he's such a traditional comic and

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a very good comic, but he had a punchline that

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it just knocked me on my ass because it was

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it was couched in such a traditional joke about men

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and women and parents and and and marriages that when

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I when I heard the.

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Punchline, it just it just got me.

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I would like to think it another in terms of it,

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how does your what what is your brain?

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Look like?

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Casey Rocket's great, but he's already more successful than me.

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So when am I getting out of this? Andrew Cassertano

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is a name that I hope everyone starts hearing more.

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It is. It is that true alt weird but still

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kills in a club.

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Andrew Cassertano, That's a that's a great name that I'd

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recommend to you.

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Sean Patton does that for me.

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Sean Patten's the guy where I lose track of what's

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the structure, what's the pattern, and just kind of enjoy

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myself because he seems to be on a ride every set,

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especially live. There's no game plan, there's no map or

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not one that I can see, and if there is one,

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I don't know how He's so good.

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The one I loved this year, My favorite Bit of

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the Year is Kyle Kanaane's chunk on Fast and Furious,

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just because he gets up a full head of steam. Yeah,

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and it's just fun.

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Yeah.

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He can have such strong opinions on such minutia, and

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favorite of all time because it builds off of just

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a small inspiration. He builds characters and a scene. Do

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you know that one from I think it was like

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his first or second album might be from Death of

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a Party like his first album.

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Yeah, yeah, you know, as we're talking about studying it.

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I had the pleasure of working with the Carlin estate

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put together George Carlin Radio for Serious in Another Life

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and his manager, Jerry Hamsa, sat down and what we

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tried to do with the station was build the sets

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the way Jeorge did. Carlin did, and George Hamsa, the manager,

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explained to me like he couldn't just come out and

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do these big arcs. So Carlin would come out and

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do a bunch of rat a tat tat jokes for

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a couple of minutes and then do the long arc

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And it really educated me on changing speeds, changing volume,

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and taking the audience for that ride, but you can't

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just like I love him. But I saw Stephen writ

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one time, and Stephen Wright for ten minutes, fifteen minutes,

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Oh my god, I love him for an hour and ten.

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My brain was mud. It's tough, and I'm not here

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to bash Steven, but it was just like, I can't anymore.

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I hear you.

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Ronnie Chang gave me a good, long lesson about how

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to build a good hour. It's twenty minutes of ratatat

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and it was twenty minutes of kind of a more

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theme joke, and then a twenty minute story to take it.

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Home, and each of those ask to circum lay into me.

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But it's you're right, you have to say not every

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So when I started comedy, the real.

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Pie in the sky was late night. That was the thing.

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We all wanted to do five minutes for Conan or

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Fallon or Leno and Letterman or whatever.

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And you thought about doing a perfect five minute set.

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And I had the impression that a lot of young

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camicks have is that an hour, a great hour is

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twelve late night sets. And that's just impossible. I don't

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know anyone who's really done that. I don't know the

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brain could handle that the consumer can handle.

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That.

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I think a lot to Kumail nan Gianni's first and

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only special, Beta Mail, where he does thirty minutes very observational,

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pretty pretty run on the mill, and then thirty minutes

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of just one pretty long story. Oh and Jesus, Hannibal Buris,

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who's really one of my tough is maybe my favorite

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app My favorite special all time is Animal Furnace, but

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he has that Miami Nights, which is hard to find.

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Now he does ky twenty five minutes up top of

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his traditional style. It's great, but you know hannibalim so

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it doesn't knock do on your ass the way he

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used to and you're like, okay, well that's okay. And

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then at the minute twenty five he tells a thirty

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five minute story that is just in top gear the

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entire time. It's just such an incredible special. It doesn't

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slow down. You think, how can this story keep producing

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more plot points and laughs? And it's cool to see

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an artist evolved. I remember when jasel Nick the second

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half of Like What was It? The Thoughts and Prayers

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where he turns the story over to the death threats

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his family and that whole thing. I loved seeing when

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comics can change years. I love seeing what any artists

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can move away from a genre they've perfected into a

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scarier new realm and still succeed. I'm always rooting for

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the artist and whatever new stuff they're trying.

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Yeah. Absolutely, you run the risk of the fans turning

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on you.

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Though always, But you got to make what you like

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or you might as well have a desk job.

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I'll tell you I was one of the people, and

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I was wrong who When the late period Corlin stuff

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came out, I didn't like it. I thought it was angry.

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It just didn't soundn't like it either.

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Twenty twenty years later, he's the great profit of the

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twenty first century. It just you play that stuff and

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it's like, oh, did you record this earlier today, even

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though you've been dead for fifteen years, But at the

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time wasn't feeling it.

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Yeah, Hicks as well too, I am in my current

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Well you know what, they're both dead. I'm not a

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huge fan of there prea too late stuff. It doesn't

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do as much for me. I loved it as a kid,

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but it's I like a little more light hearted heartedness.

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Though after Trump lanning, I am not a fan of Trump.

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I do currently value a little more explicit point of

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view from people whose politics I agree with.

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It is.

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I've been listening to people on stage be a little

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more upfront about their anger and disappointment with things, and

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it is quite soothing.

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When your girl just lost.

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So for your particular style, you know, I would be

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surprised if I would see you tonight and you did

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political material. But are you letting your feelings? Are you

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telegraphing it to the audience, or it's just not what

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you do.

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I don't think anyone.

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I would be surprised if anyone couldn't figure out my

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political leanings after twenty minutes of comedy.

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But I'm not overt with it.

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I don't think it's the place for it for me.

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We were all kind of a I have done a

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lot of political comminat I've put out. I've put out

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some I put out a set foth Comedy Central that

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was pretty overt and it was I've not really taken

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that tone before, and it was well received online. I

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haven't felt the urge to go after it again. I

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kind of did it more as a therapy and it

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served me well.

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This new hour is not very political.

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Little politics on the stage, but it's not as fun

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to address that on It's like a lot of things,

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it's fun if it comes into this frame. Right now,

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I'm talking more about myself and stories.

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And I happened to be at New Faces in twenty

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fifteen when you went up, Oh Wow, were you were

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one of them that popped. I put up the list

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right before I jumped on with you. But I definitely

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remember you because you know, you did your handsome villain

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from the movie's joke, and I always remembered it.

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Never use the word handsome, by the way, never I

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once heared that word on stage. A lot of people correct, okay,

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but a lot of people say that I said that

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about myself, and I'm like, I can't use that word.

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If I use that word, I would lose the crowd.

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It's good you heard that word, because that's when I'm

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hoping to imply. But the word handsome has never kind

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of come out of my mouth self referentially on a stage,

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at least not in many years.

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Because the few times it has, it is not served me.

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Well, you are a handsome Thank you. I appreciate that,

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but I appreciate that. I'm glad you think.

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So how was how was that experience for you? So

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at that point, if you're doing New Faces, you're not signed, right,

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you're like pretty new into this. How do you even

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get new?

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I was signed?

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Okay, So what happened right there? That's when he got disconnected?

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So I just you know, sent around for a couple

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of minutes, and you know, well, let's pretend that I

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just talked to myself and told you about his special Hyperbolic,

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which is on YouTube December tenth, that's Tuesday. Anyway, it

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kind of works out because I have to chop up

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the interview and stick the commercial so where anyway, so

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I might as well stick it here, be right back,

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all right? When I last left you, I had said

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to you mad hey, you weren't wrapped at that time,

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and he was correcting me, and then his phone cut out.

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So when we're picking up the conversation, as Johnny, Max

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stupidly said at New Faces, you weren't repped, and he

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was correcting me, saying, no, he did have an agent

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and hadn't had one for about five years, if I

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remembering correctly, And then I said something like, oh yeah,

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I was confused between New Faces Unrepped. Anyway, let's jump

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back into the conversation. The last thing I heard was

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you had been signed, So you're reminding me I'm mistaken. Obviously,

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there's a different show called Unrepped, right, so new Faces,

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you're repped, and then there's Unwrapped. But you were new Faces.

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That's right. I was New Faces regular.

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The whole system's a stam and everyone's pushed him through

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their agents, and people who get it aren't exactly getting

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a big break. They've already made it and they're just

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being jfl makes it so someone can take credit for

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discovering someone who's already very well on their way. I

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will tap dance on that grave until they have power

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to give me something else. Then they need to play

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nice again.

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But they're back.

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Oh yeah, cool, cool, good for them.

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Yeah.

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I had auditioned. It was my third time, so I

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got it pretty quick. I had auditioned in Austin when

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I was maybe two years into comedy, and then I

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auditioned again once my first year in LA and didn't

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get it, but I felt pretty good. And my third

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year I auditioned and got it, and I had I've

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been on Comedy Central once and I had some stuff

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going on with MTV and E mostly MTV, and got

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it and went there and did it, and it was

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the next year that things took off for me. More

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so a year after that, I did Conan and Roast

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Battle in the same summer, and that was that was

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a big break for me. The JFL was a weird

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time for me because I did the set and I

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remember the set being fine. I remember not loving now

462
00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:03.240
it went, but no, it probably went good enough, but

463
00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:04.720
that being one of the last luster parts of the

464
00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:07.480
week for me, they signed me up for Roast Battle

465
00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:10.559
because there's every comic who goes there, they're supposed to

466
00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:12.319
give you another set to do while you're there, and

467
00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:14.680
they didn't have one for me, so they put me

468
00:21:14.680 --> 00:21:15.279
in a Roast Battle.

469
00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:16.960
I had no real experience with it, and.

470
00:21:16.920 --> 00:21:18.559
I was annoyed because like I wanted to do stand up,

471
00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:20.160
I didn't want to do I didn't want to write

472
00:21:20.240 --> 00:21:23.480
jokes about another person. And the first night I went

473
00:21:23.559 --> 00:21:26.880
really poorly and I went against Jack Knight and we

474
00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:29.799
were both trying to lose, and he won it losing,

475
00:21:30.480 --> 00:21:33.720
and that meant I went from the whatever sixteen down

476
00:21:33.759 --> 00:21:35.599
to the top eight, so I had to do it again,

477
00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:36.640
and I didn't want to do it, and I was

478
00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:38.759
going to skip it, and Jeff Ross was like please,

479
00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:41.720
So I wrote four jokes pretty quick. I went up

480
00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:43.720
and did them, and that night went well. I had

481
00:21:43.720 --> 00:21:46.160
some momentum and I won that night. And then the

482
00:21:46.200 --> 00:21:49.160
third night, now I'm down to the top four. Exponential

483
00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:55.400
Decay is pretty strong, and that night was the best

484
00:21:55.480 --> 00:21:59.480
night of my life because Roast Battle was at like midnight,

485
00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:01.880
so there was no other shows competing with it. At JFL,

486
00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:04.559
you have what a couple dozen shows a day for

487
00:22:04.680 --> 00:22:08.759
a month, all these showcases and weird hours all day,

488
00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:12.720
all long shows, shows, show shows, and at midnight everyone's done.

489
00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:14.359
So all the comics and all the agents and all

490
00:22:14.359 --> 00:22:16.599
the industry come to this Roast Battle. There's a really

491
00:22:16.680 --> 00:22:19.480
fun thing to watch if you do comedy or are

492
00:22:19.519 --> 00:22:22.079
around comedy or a lot of people love it, just

493
00:22:22.119 --> 00:22:25.000
love it. I had agents, My agents couldn't get in

494
00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:26.519
to see it. By the third night. It was that

495
00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:28.319
big of an event, and I had all this pressure

496
00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:30.680
on my shoulder. I was staying up till six writing.

497
00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:32.640
I was doing everything I could to have joke five

498
00:22:32.720 --> 00:22:35.599
jokes ready. I went against kshevver Wilson. He did really

499
00:22:35.599 --> 00:22:36.079
really well.

500
00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:37.079
I did love him.

501
00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:39.279
I did a little bit better, and I went on

502
00:22:39.400 --> 00:22:43.400
to the final round against Jimmy Carr and that was

503
00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:45.079
where how'd that go?

504
00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:46.440
Yeah? Yeah, exactly.

505
00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:51.039
He's pretty good at that kind of stuff, mean short jokes.

506
00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:55.319
But the third night was the night that my people

507
00:22:55.359 --> 00:22:57.319
started to know who I was in the industry, because

508
00:22:57.359 --> 00:22:59.400
everyone was watching and everyone was rooting for me because

509
00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:02.559
I was the underdog. I was the American who kind

510
00:23:02.599 --> 00:23:04.200
of came out of nowhere, who had nothing else to

511
00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:05.920
his name. So you always you always kind of root

512
00:23:05.920 --> 00:23:08.960
for the little guy in a roast battle, and that

513
00:23:09.039 --> 00:23:11.240
was that was a big turn for me. I still

514
00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:13.519
don't really consider myself like a roast or a roast

515
00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:17.279
battle comic, but I do like jokes.

516
00:23:17.599 --> 00:23:20.839
I feel like the next Comedy Central. Sorry Netflix, I'm

517
00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:24.319
living the past. Netflix roast will will be hard to

518
00:23:24.400 --> 00:23:27.640
perform at because the Tom Brady roast did crush. I

519
00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:29.799
watched that live and it was very funny.

520
00:23:29.920 --> 00:23:31.000
I wrote for some of that.

521
00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:32.920
I wrote for I won't name who, but you could

522
00:23:32.920 --> 00:23:35.160
easily figure it out one of the comedians up there.

523
00:23:35.200 --> 00:23:36.480
I just feel like the bar is going to be

524
00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:38.200
so high in the expectation is going to be so

525
00:23:38.319 --> 00:23:40.200
high that I would be one to sit out other

526
00:23:40.279 --> 00:23:40.880
than the paycheck.

527
00:23:41.240 --> 00:23:44.480
Yeah, it was really good. It did really well. I

528
00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:47.240
did not expect it would be. They put a lot

529
00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:49.319
into making it a very good thing. That mean it

530
00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:50.400
was belowated it.

531
00:23:50.440 --> 00:23:52.799
They could have used half the number of people up there,

532
00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:56.000
So next time they'll probably have forty different people and

533
00:23:56.039 --> 00:23:58.559
it'll be seven hours long. But yeah, I think the

534
00:23:58.599 --> 00:24:01.279
next one's going to be as long as they invest

535
00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:04.920
in good writers and good talent, I think they could.

536
00:24:05.119 --> 00:24:07.559
They could bring that back because I think the the

537
00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:10.759
celebrity roast and Roast Battle are things that will always

538
00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:14.200
have a great audience, and right now there's no real

539
00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:18.400
form for host Battle, and I hope someone brings that back.

540
00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:21.599
You know, I'm not waxing your car here, but that

541
00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:23.640
New Faces said it was really good. I'm looking at

542
00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:25.519
the list, and there were some people on there. Now

543
00:24:25.640 --> 00:24:30.519
I saw all twenty. I don't remember seeing say Langston

544
00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:32.599
Kerman or Alex Edelman, who have had great careers. I

545
00:24:32.839 --> 00:24:37.759
remember you. I remember Vlad Camanio. I thought it would

546
00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:40.880
be further along than maybe he is right too, lad

547
00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:44.920
crush that night. Yeah, I do remember John Ridnitski. Yeah

548
00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:47.400
he got snl off that, but I think Lauren used

549
00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:48.839
him in like three sketches.

550
00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:51.759
And John Radnitzki, I want to tell that's a great

551
00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:54.039
story because he was no one, and I don't think

552
00:24:54.039 --> 00:24:56.519
a lot of people expected him to get that. He

553
00:24:56.680 --> 00:24:59.319
was on his way as an actor or doing okay

554
00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:02.440
as an actor at that point. She came up to

555
00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:05.039
me and and we're doing all of our JFL stuff,

556
00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:07.920
which is miserable. You do these early you know, a

557
00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:10.960
prelims competition and a regular competition, and the crowds are

558
00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:13.359
bad and you get three minute sets or whatever. And

559
00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:15.119
John said, I think I'm gonna do something different. And

560
00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:17.400
I said, John, you don't want to. You don't want

561
00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:19.400
to take a risk with this. Do your best material.

562
00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:19.680
That's it.

563
00:25:19.759 --> 00:25:21.480
He goes, now, I got this new thing now where

564
00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:24.400
it's all music. And I don't say anything, and I go, okay,

565
00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:26.759
good luck, John, best of luck to you, you know,

566
00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:29.160
your funeral kind of thing. And he goes up there

567
00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:32.880
and he did the flash dance song.

568
00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:33.920
That was it.

569
00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:36.920
He just danced to the flash dance song. Doesn't say

570
00:25:36.920 --> 00:25:40.480
a fricking word the whole time. And he had the

571
00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:44.039
best set of anyone on that show, on the showcases,

572
00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:46.799
all of it, and that set, without using one word

573
00:25:46.839 --> 00:25:51.279
got am snl, so pretty pretty neat set in the

574
00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:53.319
history of JFL.

575
00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:56.039
It was solid, all right. So I was on Threads,

576
00:25:56.440 --> 00:25:58.880
just on Threads because I get some comedy news there,

577
00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:01.279
and I was laught. Think at the timing, I see

578
00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:04.799
you whatever we do on threads, thread, You're right, I'm

579
00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:08.000
having trouble getting booked on comedy podcasts right now because

580
00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:12.119
they're busy influencing geopolitics, and I'm like, this, poor guy

581
00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:16.160
just got booked on my dumb shows. So I mean,

582
00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:18.079
I don't care about that, totally get it. Are you

583
00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:19.519
having trouble getting booked?

584
00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:21.960
Oh yeah, there's a lot of rejections I'm getting. Man,

585
00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:24.640
Oh boy, oh boy. I feel like a high schooler again.

586
00:26:24.680 --> 00:26:28.599
I'm sending you know, messages to very successful Carlis whom

587
00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:32.279
I'm in friends with. Some am not getting no's or

588
00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:36.200
getting ignored. You know, it's uh, it hurts real bad.

589
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:38.400
I don't know at what point in your life you

590
00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:42.599
have enough success to stop feeling rejection like you're you know,

591
00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:44.640
got turned down to prom or don't get to sit

592
00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:46.519
at the cool kids table. But man, oh man, that

593
00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:49.079
that feeling is as raw as it ever was. Yeah,

594
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:54.279
and some of the people I reached out to jd

595
00:26:54.440 --> 00:26:56.759
Vance or Trump on their podcast lately, so you can

596
00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:59.559
put that together. So Okay, I guess, I guess it

597
00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:01.640
makes sense that I'm not the top with their list.

598
00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:05.759
A guy who has following on Instagram and hasn't been

599
00:27:05.839 --> 00:27:07.200
on TV in five years.

600
00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:12.400
It's not exactly you know, prime real estate of the YouTube.

601
00:27:12.519 --> 00:27:14.319
They don't want to pretape for the holidays and take

602
00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:14.960
some time off.

603
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:18.559
Yeah, yeah, but it's it's it's just it's insane to

604
00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:23.119
me how outsized the influence of comedy podcasts has become.

605
00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:26.640
It's it's like, who is really the mainstream media at

606
00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:27.119
this point?

607
00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:31.599
Well, yeah, you know, the big media conspiracy. I've worked

608
00:27:31.799 --> 00:27:36.160
in radio and media Chasened for thirty years now. I've

609
00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:39.400
never actually run into the conspiracy. It's it's dudes like

610
00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:41.599
me running things and like we just show up and go,

611
00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:42.839
all right, what should we make today?

612
00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:45.240
It's I know, I'm a Jew, I feel the same way.

613
00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:49.519
And that was another thing of people during Roast Battle.

614
00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:52.519
It was either, do you think these are just murmurs? Online?

615
00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:55.640
People were like, oh was it rigged? Did they rig

616
00:27:55.880 --> 00:27:56.519
roast battle?

617
00:27:56.599 --> 00:27:59.279
And I'm like, I would be thrilled if they had

618
00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:03.759
enough organization to even consider reggae things. I literally no

619
00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:07.480
one checked my jokes. I walked out there. I said them,

620
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:11.319
there was no plan. There's not enough people making money

621
00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:16.400
to read to choose who won it. Buddy, I'm happy

622
00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:18.240
if they pronounced my name correctly.

623
00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:20.720
Take one more break. We'll come back with Matthew in

624
00:28:20.839 --> 00:28:25.000
a second's new special Hyperbolic out of December tenth. So

625
00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:27.880
I promise I won't devolve this into just reading what

626
00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:29.960
you posted on social media. But you had one other

627
00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:32.519
one that spoke to me, because I think the point

628
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:35.200
is so on. You wrote, want to know how hard

629
00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:37.279
it is to be a woman. People hate Yoko o

630
00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:41.519
O more than Mark David Chapman. There was like, wow, he's.

631
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:45.200
Right, dude, dude, people hate Yoko Ono so much, they

632
00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:49.599
hate him so much her. Sorry, Yeah, it's crazy how

633
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:52.720
which people hate women. And I always knew it was bad,

634
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:55.440
but in comedy in particular. Just read the comments section

635
00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:59.839
on YouTube of any woman doing comedy. My fiance you know,

636
00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:02.960
watch her do comedy and just the response sheet just

637
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:05.640
what women have to deal with, especially online, but even

638
00:29:05.680 --> 00:29:09.599
in person. I noticed it with myself with I open

639
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:13.240
on the road for bigger comics, and sometimes we end

640
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:16.599
up in more rural places, and a lot of my

641
00:29:16.759 --> 00:29:19.200
jokes are built where I make fun of women, and

642
00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:20.960
then I will kind of flip it around and make

643
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:23.240
fun of men, just just for the sake of symmetry,

644
00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:25.720
just because it's a great structure to have things kind

645
00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:28.880
of collapse back in on themselves. And you know, when

646
00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:30.640
I perform in a city, I typically I hear the

647
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:32.119
men laughing at the part making fun of.

648
00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:33.440
Women, and I do the joke about the men. I

649
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:35.839
hear the women kind of get the haha. We win

650
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:36.359
in the end.

651
00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:38.640
And when I'm on the road, you see those crowd

652
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:40.119
laugh too hard of the part about the women.

653
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:41.799
And when I make fun of men, no one.

654
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:45.960
Laughs, not even the women. Women's seed women. It's nuts,

655
00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:49.640
it's crazy. It's how it's these I think it's these

656
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:54.240
in cell young in cell men who just have no

657
00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:56.200
place in the world, and there's all this more women

658
00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:59.920
are kind of catching up an education and an income,

659
00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:03.119
and young men aren't taking it well, and I have

660
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:05.680
some sympathy for them, But on the other hand, the

661
00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:07.240
hatred is just so misplaced.

662
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:09.920
So the new special is called hyperbolic. I could have

663
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:12.039
looked it up, and I'm like, I don't think I

664
00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:13.720
know what the word means, because I'm stupid.

665
00:30:13.839 --> 00:30:18.799
Nah, what does it mean or related to hyperbola or hyperbole?

666
00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:21.720
Whatever the plural is, which is the opposite of a

667
00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:26.599
circle X squared minus y squared equals one. It's a

668
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:28.799
great word. It also has another meeting, which people are

669
00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:32.240
probably more versed with. But I like that word a lot,

670
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:33.799
and I also, I mean, I'm not going to say

671
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:36.160
too much about why it's called that, But one of

672
00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:40.160
my goals was for my first two things released to

673
00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:42.759
be adjectives. My first album was called Pedantic. This is

674
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:46.240
called hyperbolic, and that is a nod to Raw and

675
00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:50.200
Delirious by Bettie Murphy. I love that he went with adjectives,

676
00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:52.559
and I wanted to do my own adjectives that represented me,

677
00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:57.519
and I find those two be I am neither raw

678
00:30:57.599 --> 00:30:59.759
nor delirious, but I can be very pedantic, and I

679
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:01.640
happened to sometimes be hyperbolic.

680
00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:04.880
If you're of a certain age. Those are two wonderful

681
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:07.640
specials and people my age, I could probably do half

682
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:08.400
that album in the.

683
00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:11.359
Memory, and people my age are more influenced by that album,

684
00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:13.599
even if they've never listened to it, those albums than

685
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:14.279
they could ever know.

686
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:17.640
So the specials out on the tenth of YouTube. Great.

687
00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:19.359
The date moved a little bit, but it's the tenth

688
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:20.440
is on YouTube Tuesday?

689
00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:21.200
Yes?

690
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:25.319
Is that the best way to distribute? Now? The Netflix

691
00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:27.079
money is kind of backed off a little bit. Hulu

692
00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:28.599
seems to have picked a lane Netflix.

693
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:31.400
Netflix didn't offer me anything until I have a big

694
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:35.039
fan base there, and they won't Hulu. I think we

695
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:37.920
showed it to Hulu a they did to make and

696
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:42.759
I would do Netflix, but I wanted the freedom of YouTube.

697
00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:44.440
I wanted to be able to put the clips up

698
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:47.880
and control it and have kind of build my audience

699
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:51.359
off of it. And it truly is an experiments to

700
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:55.400
see if people will like long form. If you have

701
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:58.079
liked anything I've done, and if you would like to

702
00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:02.559
see something more developed for attention spans longer than ten seconds,

703
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:05.079
please watch it. I'm I really tried to make sure

704
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:07.000
it was It stayed entertaining all the way through, and

705
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:08.839
I think if you listen to the whole thing through,

706
00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:10.480
you'll get more than just watching.

707
00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:15.240
My comedy one Instagram reel at a time.

708
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:19.319
So that's my mission here is to hopefully make people

709
00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:22.119
a little more a little less stupid.

710
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:24.519
I'm looking forward to that one. You've been very generous

711
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:26.039
with your time. Last one. I want to ask you

712
00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:28.519
about going down your IMDb as just part of the

713
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:33.480
general prep your role as comic number two at Stage

714
00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:36.200
DELI yes, tick me off. No one could be bothered

715
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:38.200
to give this character a name. We can't just call

716
00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:40.640
the comic Matt or something like it, just like, what

717
00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:40.960
is that?

718
00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:46.480
I mean, Bud, that's I was. I have no complaints

719
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:48.200
about that. That was one of the best days of

720
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:53.200
my life. Marvelous, marvelous missus Maisle. Yeah, I auditioned for it.

721
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:57.720
I had taken a class with the casting director, and

722
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:01.359
I learned that that show is work perfect, meaning you

723
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:03.720
do the script exactly as it's written, which not my

724
00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:06.519
new shows are like that, and the dialogue is basically

725
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:07.599
as fast as you can talk.

726
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:08.759
And that helped me get the part.

727
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:12.839
And woke up at six am, went down to the

728
00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:16.599
diner on the Upper West Side, and it's a real

729
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:21.119
place brought right. Rachel Brosnahan and Alex Bornstein ran their lines,

730
00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:24.440
and I sat there and ate pancakes and said, what

731
00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:29.400
was it? I know the whole exchange still joke Wire Graton, Boston, Philly,

732
00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:30.039
I get to Denver.

733
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:30.519
Nothing.

734
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:33.000
It's a regional joke, my sandwich joke. I have a

735
00:33:33.039 --> 00:33:37.480
different region in every city, which sandwich is funniest? HOGI

736
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:41.240
HOGI is a funny sandwich. That's the whole exchange. That

737
00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:43.599
was really cool. That was really is the first show

738
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:45.440
that I've been a fan of and then got to

739
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:49.759
be on and it's a it's a great show.

740
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:54.480
Is it hard reading or performing exactly someone else's words?

741
00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:56.519
And what? I'm at the podcast company they were doing

742
00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:58.759
a doc and they asked me to voice a cop

743
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:03.240
and I couldn't just I'm just some dude, but like

744
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:05.640
I couldn't just read the written words. I'm like, I

745
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:07.640
wouldn't speak this way. I just tweak this one word,

746
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:09.159
no no, no, no no. I can only imagine on

747
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:09.800
a like a.

748
00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:14.079
TV show, right, it was, It's very exact.

749
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:18.840
I remember Rachel ran her lines before we all went

750
00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:22.440
to hair and makeup and wardrobe, and she was already

751
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:25.239
off books. She already had three pages memorized for that scene.

752
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:29.559
And at one point she said, I just know when

753
00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:32.239
I'm up there on the stage, on the stage, or

754
00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:35.840
that stage, and they corrected her on that stage versus

755
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:36.599
on the stage.

756
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:39.400
That's how particular they are. It's very hard to say it.

757
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:41.400
A lot of a lot of projects, let you kind

758
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:44.159
of word it for yourself, but often there's some importance

759
00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:46.599
to the wording they chose. I mean, I think that's

760
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:49.119
what makes great actors, though they can deliver lines that

761
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:51.360
wouldn't naturally come out of their mouths.

762
00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:54.519
I'm in the union of people who interviewed comedians, so

763
00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:56.840
by law I have to just throw out some topics

764
00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:59.920
of you feel free to pass the culture, cancel culture,

765
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:02.599
trans Joe Rogan, your pick or passing all three?

766
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:09.880
Cancel culture. These blue haired, whiny.

767
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:13.280
Liberals who get offended at everything, I'm still looking for

768
00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:17.440
them because I live in Brooklyn, and these things people describe,

769
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:20.519
I don't see them happening. I don't see people storming

770
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:23.519
up and getting out and walking out of clubs over

771
00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:27.360
things that are only mildly offensive. This feels like some

772
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:31.599
kind of unicorn that Fox News has created it's not real.

773
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:32.840
I don't see it.

774
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:36.039
I've seen maybe a couple things in twenty twenty when

775
00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:39.039
everyone was very sensitive, But for the most part, I

776
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:43.119
go up in front of crowds of educated liberals here

777
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:44.199
in New York City.

778
00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:47.960
And try to push buttons. My comedy is not tame.

779
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:52.039
I do like to walk the line and sometimes they

780
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:56.960
don't laugh, but rarely do people shout and who and

781
00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:00.639
all clubs and venues I'm booked to try to get

782
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:05.159
me canceled. So it feels like a boogeyman that a

783
00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:10.920
lot of people have created to make themselves more important.

784
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:13.039
I do have one more real question. So I'm hearing

785
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:17.920
from audience from comics that audience members are trying are

786
00:36:18.039 --> 00:36:20.599
now trying to be helpful, And since you're going to

787
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:23.039
post crowd work clips, let me be a helpful audience

788
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:25.519
member and hickel you so you can slam me and

789
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:26.920
then you'll have a clip. Are you running into that?

790
00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:29.480
Well, bad people are just I think people are just

791
00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:31.840
worse behaves lately. And we're in the middle of a

792
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:33.880
comedy bubble, which means a lot of people who don't

793
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:39.519
necessarily normally consume comedy are now at clubs, and that

794
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:43.719
means they don't know how to behave and a lot

795
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:46.199
of uncultured people think it's okay to shout out things

796
00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:48.960
during a comedy show. Stand up comedy is a fragile

797
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:52.480
art form that only thrives if the consumers respect it,

798
00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:58.480
and I am resentful of these crowd work comedians who

799
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:02.360
have trained ons to be bad audience members and reward

800
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:05.519
people for doing the thing we hate most. I'm running

801
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:08.039
into a little bit of it, but I'd like to

802
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:10.599
think people who watch my clips understand that that's not

803
00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:13.519
exactly the way I would like the show to go,

804
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:16.079
and if they sit patiently, they will be rewarded because

805
00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:19.280
I try really hard to write clever and thoughtful things.

806
00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:20.920
And for some of those comedians.

807
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:22.760
I've heard stories at some of these comedians who have

808
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:24.920
posted a lot of crowdboard clips and are getting audiences

809
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:29.000
now or having trouble doing material because that's the only

810
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:29.920
thing people know them for.

811
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:36.400
And I revel in their demise. You made your bed,

812
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:37.159
now sleep in it.

813
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:40.639
You could have taken the hard path and written good jokes,

814
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:45.400
but instead you took you took the easy path. Also,

815
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:47.719
I very bad at crowd work, so I'm resentful of

816
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:50.599
people who can do it well. That's most That's mostly

817
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:52.559
what I'm man. I'm terrible at listening. I can't come

818
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:53.480
up with stuff that quickly.

819
00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:55.800
Super You don't have your bag of tricks, your go

820
00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:56.440
to slam.

821
00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:59.039
No, I don't. I should do you.

822
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:01.320
I appreciate you time today is no. I'm just some

823
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:04.000
jerk with a podcast. I hope you enjoyed him as

824
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:08.119
much as I did. Matthew Brissard Hyperbolic on YouTube, December tenth.

825
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:11.239
He's fantastic. And that is your comedy news for today,

826
00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:13.320
normal episode tomorrow. If you like the show, tell a

827
00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:15.639
friend about it, Hopefully they'll like it too. If you're

828
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:17.760
a publicist who works for Hulu, get back to me.

829
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:20.360
See I could do this kind of thing with your specials.

830
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:22.800
You can get forty five minutes of publicity. Why don't

831
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:26.480
you get back to me. I'm nice See tomorrow