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Hey there, I'm Johnny Mac with your daily comedy news.
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Little housekeeping. This technically is the bonus episode. Normally, the
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regular episode comes out at 3 a.m., and if I
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do a bonus, I do it at noon. I'm going
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to flip that today. So if you're looking for the
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regular episode, that'll be out on noon Eastern on Wednesday.
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This is the bonus episode. because I want to talk
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more about Sebastian Maniscalco, Raw Dog Gate. This is a
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big deal. I'm going to play some more clips from
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big-name comedians. Sebastian is just going to have to do
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something about this. It is currently 3.57 p.m. on Tuesday
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afternoon as I record this piece here. So part of
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the stress for me is I can't be near my
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computer on Wednesday morning. I have a commitment that I
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have to do So that's why I've flipped the episodes,
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because the regular episode where I tell you about Jamie
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Foxx's new special out today, that'll hold. So you can
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get that at noon. But I'm a little concerned that
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if I schedule this and wait too late in the day,
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Sebastian will have reacted to this and this whole thing
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will be dated. And I want to be fair to
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the guy. Now, I think this is a very, very
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easy win for Sebastian. All he has to do is go, hey, wow,
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I heard you guys and didn't realize. And oh, my goodness,
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I feel so bad. Yeah, of course we want to
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play comedians. As the former program director of the Raw
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Dog channel, as I mentioned yesterday for newer listeners, I
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was vice president of comedy and entertainment for Sirius XM
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over a decade ago. So I absolutely have some expertise
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on this subject for me when I program the channel.
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It was a mix of hits and discovery, as we
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call it. So back in 2008 or so, maybe we
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were playing a lot of Dean Cook and Jeff Dunham,
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but we would play people maybe you didn't know, like
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a Hannibal Buress, somebody like that, and mix them in.
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The value proposition was come for the hits and then
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trust us, we know what's happening in comedy. I personally
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don't understand why you wouldn't want to play comedians like
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somebody like Liz Mealy, who's in the center of this.
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She's fantastic. Why wouldn't you play Liz Mealy? Why wouldn't
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you have a station that plays someone like Liz Mealy
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or Gianmarco Ceresi or people like that? Why wouldn't you
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play these people? I don't understand it at all. But
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you would have to ask the current programmers there. Anyway,
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there's a website, standupforstandup.org. They've done some research on this.
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According to that website, total spins per month, barely moved
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all year. between 7,800 and 9,400 clips. When I programmed
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the channel, we tried to aim for like five minute clips.
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If you did clips that were too short, it just
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cluttered up the radio station. And if you had a
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bit that was like too long, it slowed down the
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radio station. So we aimed for around five, always trying
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to keep the integrity of the bit. But as a comedian,
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if you had an album with a bunch of 90
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second tracks, we just didn't schedule them because of the
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clutter issue. Also, if you had an 11 minute bit,
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like Eddie Murphy, The Barbecue, that just didn't get played
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often because it was too long. I'd have to do
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the math on if you play a five-minute clip, so
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that would be 12 an hour, 24 hours a day,
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30 days a month. You do the math, you probably
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wind up with a number around 7,800 to 9,400. Standupforstandup.org
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says what changed is how many different acts split that number.
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The active roster shrank by roughly 66% as the channel
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rebrand took hold from a high of 812 acts in
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April to 275 in September. Let me talk to you
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about radio programming really quickly. I'm going to do this
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very quickly. If you're a radio expert, you can poke
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holes in my argument, but I'm going to teach this
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very simply the way I teach it to college students
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for the first time when they're learning about music rotations.
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Let's have Three categories, A, B, and C. A is
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going to be hits. B is going to be things
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that were popular, say, six months ago. C is going
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to be classics. What we do is we have a
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smaller pool of comedians or songs in A, a bigger
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pool in B, and then C is a big slow rotation.
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So say you did play a George Carlin bit. Well,
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George hasn't put anything new out in 15, 20 years now.
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So Carlin would go in C, think of C as classic,
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and maybe somebody who's hot right now, if you had
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a Shane Gillis clip, you would put Shane in A.
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The difference between music radio and comedy radio is in
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music radio, you don't mind hearing the same song over
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and over if you really like the song, especially if
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it's new. In comedy, once you hear something, you've heard it,
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and you never laugh the same way as hard the
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second time. So the analog is basically a comedy library
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will have 10 times as many songs. So think of
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a comedy clip as a song. And in terms of licensing,
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they are effectively songs. They are sound recordings is the term.
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You may have heard the term top 40 radio. So
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maybe in comedy, you might have 400, whereas you had 40.
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Because you don't add one song, you usually add a
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new album. If Shane Gillis put out a new album,
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I wouldn't add just track one from Shane Gillis's album,
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I would add the entire album. Does that make sense?
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In terms of how many artists you were playing? I
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don't know if I ever really factored that in. When
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you use the automatic music scheduler, you do have to
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have there's a concept called artist separation. For example, if
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you just played Shane Gillis, you don't want to play
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Shane Gillis again in the next five minutes, 10 minutes,
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probably not again for a few hours. So you tell
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the computer, OK, separate the artist Shane Gillis from itself
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with I think we had a three hour rule back
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in the day. But I more looked at the number
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of total clips available rather than total artists. The current
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programmers may have a different opinion. Standup for Standup.org say
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there were 812 playing in April, 275 in September. They
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say June 2026 saw shift. That month, nearly half the
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names on the top 100 list were swapped out and
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spin shifted towards a much smaller rotation featuring more famous
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performers receiving heavier rotation. So I'm going to call up
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their website now. They have a graph there. March 2026-before.
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And according to this, in March 2026, Jim Jeffries had
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90 spins. Pete Correale, who co-hosts the Sebastian Maniscalco podcast,
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was number two with 86. Hannah Gadsby with 84 spins.
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Florentine with 78. Adrienne Appalucci with 74. Liz Mealy with 74.
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Mike Vecchione with 73. Chad Daniels with 71. Ian Edwards, 67.
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And at number 10, John Marco at 64. Now, according
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to this data, I haven't checked it. I have no
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reason not to believe their data. Of those 10 I
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just read you, Hannah, Florentine, Adrian, Liz, Mike Vecchione, Ian Edwards,
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and John Marco are out of current rotation. Chad Daniels,
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Pete Correale, and Jim Jeffries still in. In September, which
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is the new format, StandUpForStandUp.org says number one in spins,
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Jim Gaffigan with 183 spins. Now, I program currently the
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comedy offerings for the Live One app. I can assure you,
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Jim Gaffigan is quite popular, and my audience shows no
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sense of Jim Gaffigan fatigue, so I don't think it's
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absurd to play a lot of Jim Gaffigan. Number two,
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Kevin Hart. Same note, 181 spins. Number three, Brian Regan, 175.
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Corey Elliott, 173 at number four. Again, Corey Elliott is
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the co-host of the Sebastian podcast. Number five, Cat Williams.
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Mark Normand at number six with 171. Jimmy Carr, then
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Dan Soder. Gary Goleman, and Jamie Foxx, interestingly enough. That
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surprises me. Jamie doesn't have all that much comedy, and
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I say that. I know he has a new special
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out today, and he recently did a comedy special, but
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I used to program the Foxhole comedy station for Jamie Foxx.
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Jamie Foxx does not have a lot of recorded comedy,
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so I don't know how they're getting up to 164
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spins for Jamie Foxx, but okay. If you're curious, the
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next five names are Gervais, Bo Burnham, Chris Rock, Louis C.K.,
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Martin Lawrence. In terms of play the hits, and in
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all formats, you should play the hits. Again, Gaffigan, Kevin Hart, Regan, Correale, Cat,
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Mark Norman, Jimmy Carr, Soder, Goldman, Jamie Foxx, Gervais, Burnham,
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Chris Rock, Louis C.K., Martin Lawrence. Not absurd for the
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category of, say, A for hits. What's missing here is
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the depth. In my opinion, when I had the radio station,
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I wanted it to be interesting, and I think it's
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more interesting... Sure, let's play some Kevin Hart, but let's
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also play some Liz Mealy, or let's also play some,
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I'm just looking at what they used to play, let's
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play some David Drake, let's play some Nicole Birch, let's
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play some Nick Callis. Vulture wrote about this. They say,
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on October 5th, comedians like Pat Noswalt, Michelle Wolfe, Matthew Broussard,
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dozens of others, we'll hear from some in a second,
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took to social media, et cetera, well covered here. According
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to these videos, royalties earned from radio play on raw comedy,
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and again, I brought this up yesterday, It's interesting to
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me that everyone is referring to this thing as raw dog,
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not raw comedy. When I programmed it, it was called
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Raw Dog Comedy Uncensored. In my last month or so there,
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the bosses made me change it to Raw Dog Comedy Hits.
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In my opinion, that was a mistake.
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Apparently, after I stopped paying attention, they went back to
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playing more depth and not just doing the hits. So
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I think they saw the error of their ways. But
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now they've gone back to doing a hits format with Sebastian.
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You'd have to ask them. Vulture says royalties earned from
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radio play on raw comedy approximately $ 15 per spin. have
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been a vital source of income for middle-class comedians for
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a year. In my experience, when we first started, if
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we played a comedian, like the first six months, all
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we heard was, you're stealing my material! And then they
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found out about the royalties part of it. We weren't
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stealing your material. You had entered them into SoundExchange, and
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we were using the SoundExchange system to play the material
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that you had submitted to SoundExchange, or your people had,
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and now you're getting royalties. I had one comedian, you've
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heard of this person! You definitely have heard of this person.
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Thank me personally, because he had gotten a check for $ 80, 000.
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This was a big-name comedian. He was very nice to me.
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Stand Up for Stand Up says the active roster of
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comedians platformed on the channel has shrunk by roughly 66%,
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from a high of 812 acts in April to 275
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in September. 75% of the plays are concentrated among the
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top 50 of those artists. Many of whom are famous.
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We just covered the list. How are we doing on time? Okay,
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we're getting a little long. Let me take the break
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and I'll come back and I'll play a bunch of
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clips for you. All right, let's hear from a bunch
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of comedians. I'm going to play a bunch of comedians
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reacting to this. You've heard of these people in a row.
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I'm going to play Mark Maron, Dean Cook, Mark Normand,
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Dan Soder, Brian Posehn, and Todd Barry. I'm just going
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to play all of those back to back to back. Now,
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unlike yesterday's episode, for this, I've had to make... They're
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not edits. Just yesterday, I was playing clips that I
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pulled from threads. Today is a clips I pulled from Instagram,
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and because of the way I have to capture them,
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I may have had to clip the beginning of the audio.
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It's just a long, boring story, but the audio ripper
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I use... you have to actually click on an Instagram video,
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but if you do that, it stops the audio ripper.
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So just trust me, nothing nefarious here, but I'm just
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being transparent. I may have resized their video and I
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may have clipped a little bit of the audio, but
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the spirit of what they say is intact here. So
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here's Marin, Dean Cook, Mark Norman, Dan Soder, Brian Posehn,
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and Todd Berry.
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So listen, there's a few ways that comics can make money.
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They can be on a TV show, they can tour,
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they can host things, but One of the most steady
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income streams for a comedian, if they have recorded material,
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is on Sirius XM's Raw Dog. And I make a
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little cash from that. A lot of comics. Hundreds of
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people make residuals from being played on satellite radio on
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Sirius on the Raw Dog station. Sebastian Maniscalco has taken
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over that station. And apparently a lot of people are
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losing their airtime, which means they're losing a lot of
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income that they need. as working class comics. So this
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is sort of a plea and a request for Sebastian
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to make room and give all those comics their airtime back.
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Talking today about the situation with Raw, the comedy channel,
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formerly Raw Dog, which then became the Sebastian Maniscalco channel
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on SiriusXM. Okay, long story short, there's a lot of
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comedians that really depend on not only the revenue stream
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that's generated during, let's call it the lean years or
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time when maybe you're taking care of family, taking care
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of responsibilities. And for one reason or another, that's like
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passive income that makes things less passive when you're off
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the road and looking to make ends meet. So listen, Sebastian,
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we're coming for you. There's no way to say it
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other than We're all here, and we're coming to your
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house right now. Fix it.
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No.
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I love Sebastian. He's a good friend of mine, and
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I love SiriusXM, and I think they're going to do
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the right thing, which is revert the channel back to
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what it was. You can still find space for Maniscalco