Seinfeld Heckler Clip - did Jerry say THAT?
Johnny Mac discusses a viral clip from a Jerry Seinfeld show after a pro-Palestine heckle, questions whether the exchange was a setup, and is surprised mainstream media hasn’t covered it; he later flags how Seinfeld quotes could look bad out of context. He revisits skepticism about Theo Von’s Netflix trailer, citing negative comments and possible recycled material. Mac reviews Michael Che’s new Netflix special (not his favorite) and shares Che’s comments on taking two years to build it, tweaking material up to taping, not knowing some hosts, and disliking performing in sketches. He cites Chris Rock on context and “nerd bullies,” mentions Nate Bargatze on AI and building an “act,” and covers Dane Cook’s return to the New York Comedy Festival celebrating his MSG milestone and seeking collaborations. He plugs Linnet’s free beta podcast-creation tool, runs a “comedy stock market” (buy Norm Macdonald; sell Sebastian Maniscalco and Jerry Seinfeld; hold Shane Gillis), highlights Vulture’s Ethan Simmons-Patterson, and teases upcoming deep dives and his other podcast.
00:22 Seinfeld Heckler Fallout
01:37 Theo Von Trailer Doubts
02:21 Michael Che Special Talk
03:49 Che on SNL Sketches
04:25 Chris Rock on Context
05:29 Nate Bargatze on AI
07:11 Dane Cook Festival Return
08:23 LINNET Podcast Tool Ad
09:27 Comedy Stock Market Picks
11:25 Vulture Rising Comic
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0:03 Hello, I'm Johnny Mac with your daily comedy news. No Shane Gillis today. I taped Thursday and Friday back-to-back. I'm speaking at a conference in Philadelphia today, so I needed to record two in a row. You may notice I'm wearing the same outfit. I am surprised the media, as I record this Wednesday around lunchtime, has not gotten interested in the Jerry Seinfeld story yet. Just to catch everybody up, on last Friday, Jerry was doing a show. A heckler yelled out, Seinfeld, you will see, Palestine will be free. And then Jerry interacted with the audience. I pulled a couple clips here from different sources. These appear to be in the audience. I haven't heard Jerry yet say he said these words. We do live in an age of AI, but this appears to be Jerry Seinfeld saying these things. Here, let's take a listen. This does quite seem to be some sort of setup because we have multiple camera angles and the people yelling out are quite well mixed. So I think it was you sit there. I'll sit here.
1:19 We'll both yell out. and we will try and get Jerry Seinfeld. That said, his full quotes, and we'll get into this in the comedy stock market, are the kind of things that if you just pull out are not going to read well in text. I'm really surprised the mainstream media hasn't yet, as of 11.55 on Wednesday, gotten into Jerry Seinfeld. I remember the Theo Vaughn trailer I played the other day, and I suspected that the crowd work was fake. Well, if you go on the Netflix post on social media... The comments are not kind, wondering if that's the joke that they pulled out of the special, how bad the special is. People are wondering if this is the special that, remember last year or so, Theo Vaughn kind of had a breakdown on stage while taping a special? Is this that special? And others point out that the hamster joke in the trailer already appears on an album. So if he did this 10 years ago, it's quite the coincidence that somebody would yell out something that would allow Theo Vaughn to go into the said routines.
2:15 So I think the case for fake crowd work is there. This thing's out next week. We'll see how funny it is or not. Michael Che's new special is out. I did watch it, and I just wasn't feeling it. I didn't last too long. I like Che a lot. I liked his previous special. This one just didn't grab me. Complex asked him why it took two years. He said, And it's a lot of two weeks on, one week off with a special. You sort of want the real estate to be able to really, really test it and work it out and tweak it and take it on the road. Now, does Michael Che not know that SNL is three weeks on, one week off? I just find it fascinating that he said two. All right, whatever. You need an extended amount of time to be able to build it. It was just a matter of trying to find that real estate, trying to line up the dates to make sure I got it right. So it took about two years to really where I felt, all right, this is something that's ready to go. It was filmed in August and it's already out on Netflix. Chase said, I feel like comedy is like bread. It's good fresh.
3:11 We wanted people to get it as soon as we could. Netflix gave us a date and we wanted to be as good as it is. Working at SNL for years, we're used to working fast. Complex is curious, how recent is some of the material? You start with Charlie Kirk, so at least a year. Chase said, yeah, at least a year. Yeah, that's pretty new. There's a lot of tags in there. There's some stuff that I've been doing for five years that just makes sense for the story of the special. I'm not too sure what's the newest, but a lot of it I just literally tweaked up until the day, even before we taped it. Maybe four shows there, just at some bar, just trying to tweak, try little things, different segues and different tags. And yeah, kind of came down to the wire. This is how I like to work, though. I'm sure there's a more efficient way to do it. In that same Complex article, I thought this was interesting. Speaking of SNL, Che said, I shouldn't say this, but even sometimes with hosts and guests, I'm like, who? He then adds, I'm also not a super pop culture guy where I know every show. I like six things. Most of it is sports or wrestling or whatever hip hop for about 15 years ago. In his 12 plus years, did he ever want to be in a sketch? He said, never. He said, I don't like doing sketch comedy. I truly don't like it. I love writing it. I love being part of the puzzle.
4:12 I love fixing it. I love watching it. Doing it makes me very uncomfortable. I don't think it's my strong suit at just taking away time from a guy that really wants it. I'd rather let the pros do it, but it is what it is. I've definitely been asked, but it's always like, don't put me in that. Now, a few weeks ago, and I'm doing this on the fly here, a few weeks ago, the New York Times interviewed Chris Rock. And, you know, sometimes I like to mix up the stories and I don't want to do like 13 minutes on one person. So apparently weeks ago, I had pulled out this paragraph from Chris Rock, but I find it particularly timely of the moment. The New York Times had asked Chris Rock, Do you think that taking things out of context is an ongoing problem for artists and comedians? There's so much discussion about whether somebody said something offensive or who's allowed to say what. Chris Rock said, I hate to say it, it's just BS.
4:57 It's just nerd bullies. Do you know how easy it is to go, what did you mean by that, before you elect to be angry at something? It's so easy to ask somebody, hey man, could you not say that thing? I just felt a certain way when you said that. Then if you're ignored, yeah, reply with anger. But it's so easy to pause and just go, hey, what'd you mean? I don't know who I was having this argument with, but they said, people are so sensitive. And I'm like, no, they're not sensitive. They're mean, and they can't stop being mean. People are entitled to their feelings. Don't get me wrong. We're all entitled to be offended. Don't take me out of context. Context does matter, though. A lot of people are ignoring context because it prevents them from being mean. Controversial mega-comedian Nate Bregazzi caught up with the Detroit Free Press. The topic, artificial intelligence. I'm sorry, superior intelligence, as we're supposed to say these days, right? Yeah, I don't want to get in trouble with the you-knows. SI was the topic.
5:43 The controversial mega-comedian said, also, as the world expands its use of AI, apparently he didn't get the talking points. Somebody's going to give him a talking to. No one knows where any jobs might go or develop into. Nate said, I used to do a joke like, your mechanics and plumbers are about to become your doctors. We don't know. Everything's changing so much that I think it's a very secure place to get started and somewhere that, as I did, read water meters. But I went down this path of comedy, but that's what I would have been doing if, you know, I didn't get into comedy. I always wanted to do stand-up comedy. I didn't really know how to start, and I was working at the water company and had a buddy that kind of wanted to go to Second City in Chicago. I just needed a person like, yeah, let's go try this. And I do remember a guy we worked with that was like, you should do it. I took a comedy class when I first started just because you do. It's not going to teach you how to be funny, but it's like you're nervous and you're scared and you don't know what to do. So you just want to go be around people that are also scared and nervous. He said the fact that he had a class every Wednesday forced him to keep at it. Like, just go down there. It's kind of getting the nerves just to kind of calm down and then you get comfortable.
6:39 As he got more established, he felt like he had a skilled trade. He said, I talk about it in stand-up. I talk about an act. If you have an act, if I have an hour of material that I can rely on, then it's like that's something no one can take away from me. Well, except maybe Carlos Macias, but I digress. I have this hour, so you have something to give people when you're selling tickets, something to perform. Again, going back to the trades where if you know how to build and take apart a car, you have an act, something you can use. Worst case scenario now, I'm going to do cruise ships, but I'm going to do this thing I wanted to do. Then you say, now that gives me the chance to go leap and do that next level until you finally start making marks that you can just kind of set and you can set your marks higher. Dane Cook returns to the New York Comedy Festival on the 20th anniversary of a historic achievement. That achievement was two sold out shows at Madison Square Garden in one night. That's 20 years ago already, back when comedians selling out the garden was major news. It happens a lot more now. Dane said, it feels like the beginning of a new book instead of another chapter, and I'm appreciative to the festival. I've known a lot of them, from Caroline Hirsch back in the day when I was doing Caroline's to Louis Ferranda and everybody. Louis was the booker at Caroline's. probably is the book or the festival, I haven't checked, to be able to go back and have a great time and watch this film that traveled through that festival in Madison Square Garden, the greatest stage in the world. It's almost hard to describe because I was there, I did it, and I was sitting and watching a story about it and all the drama and intrigue around it. So to be part of the festival, then go back and celebrate that moment, what it was, what it means to both the festival and me now, an embarrassment of riches. I look at it, that's the beginning of the next part of my career in comedy and beyond. All right, Dane, what do you want out of the next phase? Ask Deadline. Dane said, more collaborations.
8:07 Thank you for watching. I feel like I'm better at stand-up than ever. People go, oh, you're a little older. Yeah, maybe the knees aren't what they were, but actually, they're pretty good. All right, you ever think to yourself, Johnny Mac, anybody can make a podcast? I mean, you're making one. All right, well, go ahead and make a podcast. I've got just the thing for you. It is called Linnet, L-I-N-N-E-T. Here's how it works. You go, I'd like to make a podcast, but I don't know how. I don't know how the tech works. I don't know how to find music. I don't know how to upload so people can download it. How do you do all that stuff? Well, If you go to linitmedia.com and sign up for the free beta test, it'll walk you through it. There's this little AI box.
8:53 You go, hey, I want to do this. And it's like, all right, hold on. Here's what you do. It'll walk you through the whole thing. So if you don't know how to make a podcast and you wanted to make a podcast, Check out Linnet, L-I-N-N-E-T. You will go to linnetmedia.com, L-I-N-N-E-T, media.com. There's a free beta. I was talking to Mark the other day. The free beta was supposed to go at the end of October. He's going to extend it, I think he said, through the end of November. Don't hold me to that, John. You just own the company. You don't even know what's going on. Look, it's been a busy week with the Shane Gillis and all. Just go to linnetmedia.com. You at least have October, and I'm pretty sure into November. and check out linnetmedia.com. It is Friday. It is time for a very complicated Comedy Stock Market.
9:39 Comedy Stock Market. All right, let's start with the easy one. We're going to buy some more Norm MacDonald. People really like the comedy deep dive I did in this feed last Saturday. Go back and check that out. There is the Netflix documentary that is out. People are going to be grooving on Norm MacDonald. It's a good time to buy some Norm MacDonald before everybody else. else figures it out. So grab some Norm MacDonald stock ASAP. We're going to sell some more Sebastian Maniscalco. It is 12.07pm on Wednesday as I record this sentence. And I don't know how much time Sebastian needs to help out the working class comedians, but boy, dude, it is taking you forever. Again, I don't work there. I don't know what's going on. I don't know what I don't know. But if Sebastian had asked me in 2013 when I ran the Raw Dog channel, hey, can you add some comedians to the rotation? I could have had it up there the next day. I also could have manually dragged stuff in for the next hour if I really, really wanted to. But come on, man, get this done. So sell your Sebastian Maniscalco, who will be the subject of tomorrow's deep dive. Sell your Jerry Seinfeld. Look, I am not going to solve peace in the Middle East.
10:42 But as a poll quote, quote, I am a racist. It's a genocide. I'm into it. Never going to look it in print. I don't know if you're joking. I don't know if you're serious. I haven't mastered the issues. But the quote, I am racist. It's a genocide. I'm into it. Never going to look good in print. Sell your Jerry Seinfeld. And Johnny Mac, what are we going to do with our Shane Gillis stock? Boy, this is a tough one. I think we hold. There's a lot of evidence for Shane Gillis being super popular. And a lot of people are upset right now. So when it comes to just comedy stock markets... Don't panic trade. So just hold your Shane Gillis, sell your Jerry, sell your Sebastian, buy some Norm MacDonald. Let's do one more. I got to record a bunch of these today because I'm down in Philadelphia. Vulture has their comedians you should know and will know. One of them is Ethan Simmons Patterson. And we are told if Ethan Simmons Patterson stand up materials to believed he's lived in New York City since 2015.
11:36 where he's had a constant stream of improbable experiences, including being asked by unhoused people whether he's got any sandwiches, getting romantic advice from a racist cop while the cop had his gun pointed at him, and having a run-in with an environmentally conscious crackhead on the street. He says in one joke, we gotta stop letting Gen X and Baby Boomers pretend like they didn't make us who we are. Y'all looked us in the eyes when we were kids, and y'all were like, You could be whatever you want to be as long as you put your mind to it. You can do whatever you want to do. And then we grew up and we were like, I want to be a woman. And they were like, WTF? Clean that up a little. And we were like, no, I'm calling your bluff, dude. That's a great joke, which I'm sure he told better. Two quick questions with Ethan from Vulture. One, what's the biggest financial investment you made for your comedy?
12:18 The answer, having a separate job as a nurse to be able to live a semi-normal life and pull jokes from a place of exploring my environment. Second question. What do you think about the future of comedy? The answer, what concerns me about comedy is people from richer backgrounds flooding the scene and being able to outlast people from humble backgrounds. Then the voice of comedy kind of becoming this fake thing that's based not on merit, but on how long you can survive pursuing it. Also, I'm afraid of people with established careers in something else, pivoting to stand-up comedy for another revenue stream and weakening the art form. All right, that is your comedy news for today. Tomorrow on this feed, a deep dive about Sebastian Maniscalco. And on the Is Late Night Dead feed, episode three on... Are we up to three? Yeah, sorry, I record these, you know, in advance. This week is episode three. Conan O'Brien takes over the late night slot. So that is the other podcast, Is Late Night Dead. And that is your comedy news for today. Go see Digger. Have you seen Digger yet? Go see Digger. At some point, I'm going to talk about Digger. See you tomorrow.
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