Sept. 28, 2024

Shane Brenden on Either Way, Pretty Funny (and a Taylor Swift hot take!)

Shane Brenden on Either Way, Pretty Funny (and a Taylor Swift hot take!)

Johnny Mac welcomes comedian Shane Brenden for a lively and insightful chat. Shane  discusses his new comedy album 'Either Way, Pretty Funny,' his thoughts on Taylor Swift's influence on the NFL, and his experience balancing the traditional audio...

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Johnny Mac welcomes comedian Shane Brenden for a lively and insightful chat. Shane discusses his new comedy album 'Either Way, Pretty Funny,' his thoughts on Taylor Swift's influence on the NFL, and his experience balancing the traditional audio album format with modern comedy specials. The conversation touches on Shane's journey in comedy, the dynamics of 'Don't Tell Comedy,' and his unique gigs like performing for the Portland Trail Blazers. Johnny Mac and Shane also delve into the impacts of social media on comedy and the challenges faced by comics in the digital age.



00:35 Taylor Swift and the NFL
02:46 Comedy Albums vs. Specials
07:40 Don't Tell Comedy: Behind the Scenes
16:44 The Hustle Culture in Comedy
21:41 The Interruptions of Watching Comedy
23:01 The Emperor of Rome Syndrome
24:18 Kyle Kinane and the Fast and Furious
26:01 The Evolution of Comedy Fans
26:46 The Rise of Viral One-Minute Comics
28:45 First Stand-Up in Afghanistan
31:27 From Military to Comedy Clubs
33:40 Trailblazers and NBA Comedy
35:20 Voice Over Work and Pandemic Adjustments
37:43 Navigating Interviews and Comedy Insights



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Callaroga Shark Media.

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Benner Johnny Mack with your daily comedy News. Today, my

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guest is Shane Brendan. I loved Shane. This was such

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an easy flowing conversation. We really hit it off. He's

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got a new album. It came out yesterday. It's called

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either Way, Pretty Funny. We'll talk about that, and I

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kind of dragged Shane into some of my comedy snobbery

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along the way. I really clicked with this guy. I

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like him a lot. Here's Shane Brendan. So my new

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attempt to get listeners. As I'm asking comedians about Taylor

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Swift so I can put in the episode title, Shane

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Brennan says, Taylor Swift is.

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Is is probably not great for the NFL.

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Oh. I like that. That's a good hot take.

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I'm a college football guy more so than an NFL guy.

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But I think if Taylor was slipped, she's such a

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distraction from what's really going on. And I believe that

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if I were in the chief's locker room, if I

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had a problem with all the shine that my teammates

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girl is getting instead of focusing on like me as

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I don't know, Patrick Holmes or something, like that. Then

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I would internalize that because that would it would break

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down team dynamics if I came to you like, yo,

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why is your girl always getting all the coverage? Dog like?

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So because of that, I'm burying all that. I'm burying

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what i really feel inside. And while we're at practice,

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I'm not even focused on the game or what we're

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supposed to be doing because I'm so heated thinking about

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the things I want to say to Kelsey about his

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lady being in all the games. It's gonna basically, she

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is a yoko for the Chiefs Kansas City. He's going

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to lose the football team. And you know what, that's fine,

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That's fine. I don't like them anyway.

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Hey, you gave me in my episode headline great talking

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next Lite, So my take on Taylor that we'll actually

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talk about comedy. So I grew up in the Northeast,

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so Springsteen is our god, and I've seen Springsteen fifty times,

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and then I went to see Taylor Swift. And I

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would tell you this after seeing Taylor Swift. If Bruce

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and the guys want to tell me, hey, we're going

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to stand at one end of the arena and play

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guitars for two and a half hours. That's nice. I'm

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no longer impressed like she put on yeah, I mean show.

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I'm not taking anything away from her as far as

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being an entertainer. From what I hear, she is phenomenal,

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but hey, keep it to your arena, all right, don't

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bring it to our arena. Let's let us watch in football.

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She's really bad at rooting. Kelsey will do something, and

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she's just over the top with the hugging everybody in

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the skybox. It just seems very good try.

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I talked shit, but I would also if I got

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an invite to be in that box, I'd be there

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in a heartbeat.

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Hang now, of course I would. I dug enough of

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a whole forest. Let's talk comedy. You've got an album

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and an album? Why an audio album? It is called

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either way pretty funny, but why on an album.

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I didn't realize that it was weird that I was

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only putting out an album until I started talking to

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people about it. I didn't think anything about it. Everybody's

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putting out specials, all right, or you can call it

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a special you can.

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Well oh wait, yes, let me jump in there, because

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that's one of my pet Peeves, no problem anybody putting

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out anything. But I think we've gotten a little carried

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away with here's my latest special. Now I've talked about

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this with other comics. I don't know where the line is.

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But at one end I'll put George Carlin at Carnegie Hall,

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and at the other end it's somebody's eight minutes on

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Tuesday Night at Chuckle Hut. Those two things are not equal.

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I think there's some combination of who you are and

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what's the room.

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Right.

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So if Adam Sandler plays the Chuckle Hut on Tuesday

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Night and puts it out a special, if somebody else

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plays Carnegie Hall on a Saturday night in the middle

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of the New York Comedy Festival, that's a special. But

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somewhere in there, I'm with you. So I distracted you.

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But yeah, not every.

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Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest. I came up when

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I was when I first started, I was like anybody

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else that gets in the comedy. I found the albums.

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I found the Kyle Kanaines, the Pete Holmes and the

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Lewis Blacks. I found all their stuff and their albums,

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and I just listened to them religiously. Right, and then

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later on I was like, oh, yeah, there's specials. Let

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me watch these specials, you know what I mean? And

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me and with these guys I mean too. This was

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like I find like their first record, and I listened

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to it over and over again. I even did that

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thing a lot of comics do, as you just start

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doing bad impersonations of your heroes, like I was basically

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doing Kanang for the first two years of doing open

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mics and all that, and then you start watching their

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specials after a couple of years in and it's special

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then not to say, look, I'm putting out a record.

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This is my first album. I love it. It's basically

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the first decade and some change of me trying to

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figure out how to do stand up, figuring out some bits,

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and then figuring out about forty five fifty minutes worth

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of stuff that I'm like, Okay, if people listen to

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this today or in ten years, I'll still be okay

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with it, But is this a special It is not

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the next thing I do. Hopefully I will have leveled

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up and I feel confident in myself and they'll be

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like a I guess a kind of demand. But if

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I put a special out. You wouldn't be talking to

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another comic in my head. My name wouldn't pop up

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in your head. Like not everybody's putting out something special.

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I want my Special to be special. But yeah, people

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are like, why did you.

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Do the visuals?

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I did?

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We did do visuals, and it's just to chop up.

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And throw out there on socials, just to stir the

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product a little bit. But I don't think I ever

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had any plans on putting out The first thing I

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ever do, like on my YouTube page is hey, check

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out my special because it ain't special.

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I love that it's an album. Quick on me. I

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run Serious XM comedy for ten years. I run the

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comedy properties at Live one slacker, so I schedule comedy albums.

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So I'm a bit snobby about this. It bothers me

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when Dave Chappelle wins the Grammy for Best Comedy Album,

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when I love Dave, but I'm not sure what he's

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doing is a comedy album as opposed to what you're doing.

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I hope you win the Grammy because you are putting

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out a comedy album. But that's neither here nor there.

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But I love it because as things have trended more

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towards video. A lot of stuff's not coming out for audio.

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And there are all these artists that I want to

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play and I would play the heck out of but

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there's stuff just doesn't exist in an audio format. Part

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of that is a royalties Wardora get it, totally get it.

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But it just sucks that the old school album has gone.

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Yeah, so I'm fighting a good fight by just putting

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out an album. But also it's just like put out

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something I'm already when I'm working and I'm going on

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the road. It's I finally have something that I can

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push besides stick or some small pins or something like that.

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Hey you like that I just did.

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There, here's the whole hour worth of stuff you didn't

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hear merched. I think I'm thinking I'm about ten years

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behind the time to all this. I don't know how

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this is going to affect my career, but I just

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like it this way.

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It's great. I've got a couple of years on you.

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We used to go to the record stores when that

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was the thing, and there'd be a big barrel of

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the nice price and there was always Carlon cassettes in there.

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That's how I found a bunch of his early stuff.

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Anybody my age can probably do Eddie Murphy's special from memory.

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The Raw Delirious one hasn't aged so well.

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Ye, it's funny.

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When I went back and watched that randomly, maybe during

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the pandemic. After five minutes in, I was like, damn,

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all right, shit, forgot how this goes.

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Yeah, it's interesting that I think all art you'd have

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to judge it by its time, because I was there

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in nineteen eighty three. I was a kid. Nobody was

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walking around going, oh Eddie Murphy cut that out.

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We were all laughing around a little different times.

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Yeah. Yeah, So I'm curious. I'd love to know more

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about Don't Tell Comedy and your involvement with it. I'm

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seeing every day there's an article about it. As I

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put this podcast together, I'm seeing more and more articles

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about it. So how did you get involved with that?

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And you're programming the Portland Room like just I'd like

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to know everything about it.

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I met Kyle Guy who runs Hotel the CEO there.

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We met years ago when I was doing Sketch Fest

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in San Francisco and he was brand new. He I

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think he was at one of my shows, showcases and

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hanging out, and he was like, hey man, I'm doing

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this little private show at some rich kids parents' house.

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Do you want to jump in? I'll get you some

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extra bucks. I was like sure. So it was like

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me in a comic buddy of mine, Steph Tola, We

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drove down there. It was in somebody's living room and

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they had a little poster in the back that just

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said don't tell well the lady's lips and like that.

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It looked like an Ashley Madison poster. And I was like,

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this is cool. What do you do. I'm just trying

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to set up stand up shows and places like the

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private events and places to what you wouldn't expect, so

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people's houses, backyards, stuff like that. I was like, all right,

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this is pretty cool man. And we kept in touch

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and then over the years, yeah, once they started filming sets.

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Like I said, we had cross.

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Paths a couple of times just doing festivals stuff like that.

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So I always followed what they were doing. And then

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he hit me up. He said, hey man, I want

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you to get on and tape your little set, tape

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a set of your own for one of these little

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showcases that we're doing. I actually had to do two.

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Went down to Santa Monica and did the first one,

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but that crowd was so dog shit that no one.

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Everyone had to take their set over again because I

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don't know, it's a Santa Monica crowd. These people they

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saw the cameras around, so they all just tightened up.

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No one, no one got anything. So they brought us

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all back. Went to Santa Barbara. Better crowd killed that

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one and then that came out. But yeah, once they

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started spreading out all over the country, he knew that

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I was up here in Portland and he was like,

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would you be interested in bringing down Tell up there?

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And I almost didn't do it because I'm like, hey, man,

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I live here, but I'm not really here that much anymore.

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Starting to work very bad B and C rooms. I'm

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out there. So yeah, but I got a buddy of

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mine who's another Portland comic. I was like, if I

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can bring in another guy to help me co produce,

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we'll do it. And I'm glad we did it because

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it really is a great show to have in a

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local scene because a lot of the comics that come

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from out of town too.

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They'll hit us up like, hey, I heard you got it.

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Don't tell. I'm doing like a one nighter at the

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Helium on a Thursday. Are you gonna do it? Don't

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tell on a Friday. I'm like yeah, so we can

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piggyback off what the clubs are doing, and these comics

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coming in you can get a little extra cash in

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their pocket. And some of these people that are that

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maybe have never been to a comedy club. BUTOK know

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a boy, some of these bigger names from social media

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and stuff that they're surprises hell when they walk in

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and I don't know, like a Ralph Barbosa is here

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in a sneaker shop for some reason on a Friday.

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like mid level scenes, b scenes other than the Austin's,

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the New York and LA's. So I'm glad I'm part

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of it.

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As a performer. Is it weird? I have so many

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questions about the setup. So let's say we're at a

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sneaker shop. Is there a riser? Is there stage? You

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just flat with the audience? What are they sitting on it?

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Like? All right? For instance, the sneaker shop is one

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of our popular go to spots it seats about seventy

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five eighty. You're performing in front of a wall of sneakers.

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This is not like a foot locker or anything like

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that in the mall. These are like expensive, like a boutique,

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high end sneaker cool hip. It's also like an NBA

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like retro clothing store. So it's got all the chotchkes

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and it's like a cool vibe atmosphere. Crowd is into it,

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they're close, they're right there. We got lights, we got

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the cameras, we got the whole setup. And then on

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the upstand of the spectrum, we have this place called

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Hallowed Halls is where I recorded my album, which is

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a music hall venue where proper stage lighting, a stage

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and all that stuff.

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So we have the whole spectrum of venues.

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The craziest thing about Don't Tell is these people don't

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know where it's going to be until the day of.

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They don't know who's going to be there, but they

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always sell out. It makes you think, like for years,

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like comics, are we putting too much priority on how

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cool our poster is in all that stuff and who's there?

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Because these people are buying tickets and they have no

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idea who's going to be there. So you're selling like

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a you're selling a night out, You're selling a whole

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vibe that is buying it blind.

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As that brand grows, is there more pressure to make

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sure you've got an a list or a solid headliner

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in There are people coming to shows and be like, oh,

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it's just six regular points whatever.

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I don't feel the pressure. HEYK where you live. I

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know where I live, don't. The dontels in LA are

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way different than the down tails in Portland. I had

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a lady we always we like to ask people what

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they have been here before when they're checking in, and

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one lady goes, yeah, I've been the one in LA

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saw a bunch of famous people. I was like, cool,

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you ain't seen that tonight, but thank you for coming,

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and they had a good time. The pressure is just

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to make sure we don't put on a shift show

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and just book good comics that get people their money's worth.

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I guess it's just like any other show.

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So as a producer can mean many things. I'm just

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really curious about the logistics of this. Are you showing

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up early, are you plugging in speakers? Are you running

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the room? You're get everybody.

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I do everything for me between me and my buddy

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Brent Lowry is another good twenty Portland comic. Don't Tell

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is an exercise and how well you can pack chairs

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and equipment into a super cross track and how in

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time management, Like if we want doors at seven point

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thirty and I live thirty minutes away and this place

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will only open the doors to us at six point thirty,

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can me and another guy successfully set up one hundred

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and ten shares, two spotlights, a PA system and make

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the lineup and make sure these knuckleheads show up the

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comics on time, and then afterwards make sure we go

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in into the system so everybody can get paid. So

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you're doing everything you get paid, but Don't Tell also

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gets paid and the comics get paid too. It's it's

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like just producing and running your own show. But the cushion,

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I guess the safety that is. I know that Don't

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Tell I was going to promote the hell out of it.

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They do a lot of targeted ads and all that,

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so they're spending money to make sure people there's butts

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and seats that way, I know I'm not setting all

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these comics up. Most of my friends to come to

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a half empty room and have a boring show, you

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know what I mean. So yeah, every show you can

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basically bank on it being a good a good packed

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out crowd. That's the one thing you can guarantee from

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a comics perspective.

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Are you running into knucklehead? No show? A shame?

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Bro?

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Sorry, man, I'm meant to make it. But it's all right.

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I just can't.

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Like we're the guys.

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There's been There's one guy in particular I can think up,

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but he flakes on everyone. And that's just that's the

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character flaw for you. But it's not so much that

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people not showing up. The problem is when you're in

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a scene. The problem is there are a lot of

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comics that know you are a booker for Dometeo, and

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they they will bug you and bug you about getting

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a spot, and it's just like you walk that fine line.

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I'm not trying to hurt anybody's feelings, but I'm just like, man,

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I'll try to get you something, but it's just like

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I've just seen you each shit all over town every

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opportunity you can, and then you're always.

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Hammered around me.

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Hey man, when you're gonna give me a spot. It's

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just it's not gonna have a brother. That's the hard

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part is trying to like duck and dodge people who

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just be funny on stage, and then word will get

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around and be like, yo, you should book so and so.

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Don't wait until I'm at a bar and look, Shane's

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with three drinks. He looks like he's vulnerable. Now let

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me ask him for a spot, because that has happened

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in the past, and that has worked in the past,

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and I'm not gonna do it anymore.

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Yeah, there is. And again I'm a guy in a

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basement recording a podcast. But I've been, as I've called it,

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show Visit bab adjacent for most of my career. And

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you got to learn how to roll. You got to

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learn that when there's a time to ask, and when

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there's a time to all right, Shane's just at the

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bar with his friends, like, hey man, we do my podcast.

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Yeah yeah, it's people get very creative when they want

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to get booked for things. And I guess call me

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old school again, but I can't up at a time

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where it's it's say hey, if you want to get booked,

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just try to do well for the people that you know,

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like you walk too a venue. Oh okay, I recognize

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that's so and she books that show, that so and

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so he books that show. Let me maybe not do

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all new stuff tonight for fifteen minutes. Maybe let me

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just try to do my best ten so these people

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will be like, huh, that guy was pretty funny. Maybe

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I should put it on my show. To me, it

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sounds like so simple, but man, some of these kids

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are just like they focused on They're focused on everything

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but what they're doing on stage to get known, to

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get numb followers, to get booked.

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I'm just like, oh dude, this sucks so bad.

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You brought a couple of things to mind. All right,

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let me in order on my mental list. So back

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to the hustle culture and comedy albums. So when we

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first started playing comedy records on serious this was a

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new thing, right. There was no comedy radio before. You

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couldn't do it on FM, can't play anything. So satellite

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radio comes along. We start playing the records and we

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start hearing from artists, you're stealing my material, you're burning

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my stuff. Nobody's coming to see me, right, So we

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go through that. Then some comics realized, oh, I'm being

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heard on serious and more people know who I am

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and they're coming to see me. But then the royalty

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check showed up. I saw a pretty and known comedian

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one time backstage, and I was his best friend because

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he had just gotten an eighty thousand dollars royalty check.

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So suddenly we went from thieves to oh, how come

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you're not playing my stuff? Can you play my stuff more?

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Can you play my stuff? And I said, no, I'm

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playing Louis c. K. It's two thousand and five.

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Yeah, man, the hustle you're talking with the hustle culture.

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I think it's just like with the clips, with the

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crowd word stuff and all that, the pressure to have

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to post clips every day or multiple times a week.

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It's just sometimes I get upset, but I'm just like, hey,

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the algorithm, the industry is rewarding these folks because they're doing.

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What I guess the algorithm of what people.

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Want right now, which is every day there's a crowd

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work bit or some or just a half baked premise,

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there's something, but there's something every day, and I can't

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get mad that this person will get followers and get

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all this stuff because I'm not doing it because I, hey,

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don't do crowd work and be I'm not going to

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throw out a half baked premise just because it's Tuesday

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and it's twelve thirty and the algorithm says I need

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to do it. Maybe I'm not hustling as much as

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I should be. I'm just working on it's the joke.

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No, I yeah, I was going to ask you about

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feeding the beast. It's got to be just like you said,

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just relentless. When YouTube shorts came out, I played around

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with a little bit of pulling shorter clips from this

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show and putting them up and you'd see you to

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get like this little burst of I don't know, three

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thousand views in an hour, and then just it would

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go straight to zero. And it was like, all right,

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what is this? I'm just a dumb podcast, but you

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know it is it actually converting to anything, and I

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have to feed it every day. And then I imagining

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you're up on stage age, maybe not you, but somebody

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else going, oh, here's an opportunity for me to pull

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a clip. Let me work this clown in the front

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row with the orange sweater to pull eight minutes. I

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get three days of clips out of that.

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You could see it in the room. I've been on

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shows where I've seen some comics they're just going through

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their material, but then someone will pipe up and then

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they just change. They snapped their like, oh this is

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a moment I can let me do the crowd work.

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Let me this is the clippable moment, you know what

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I mean. And they get that and then they're out.

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And like I said, I used to be a big hater.

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I'm trying to tell myself now, hey, don't hate. It's

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just not my cup of tea. It's not meant for me.

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So I'm just like, all right, that's what they're doing.

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You do that. Everybody has their own journey, so to

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speak or whatever. But it didn't make it any better.

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When one of my good buddies is Canane and he

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takes I go, I'm on the road with him for

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his tour and all this stuff now and he is

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me and him sidn't basically talk about what me. You're

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talking right now. Just the crowd work guys, And not

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everybody does crowd work as ship. There's great at it.

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There's a there's a bunch of people that are great

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at it, or a handful of people that are great

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at it, but then there's just a majority of the

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people that are out there that people see on the

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internet are terribles. And then that makes a crowd that

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makes people think that, hey, you know what, I'm going

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to go. I like these people online, these crowd work guys.

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Let me go to my local comedy club or just

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some local show. And then those are the people that

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start chirping ash you, and then they're confused when you're

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tell them to shut the hell up. They're like, well, no,

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I thought this was no I'm just helping I'm just

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trying to help you out.

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Bro.

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Like earnestly, they're not trying to be dicks. They just think,

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but my favorite guy on on TikTok does this, I'm

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just trying to help you. I think you're fornny too,

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which is a real thing that some bro said to

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me after a I chewed him out after I thought

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you were really funny man. I was just trying to

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give you some prompts or something to go off of,

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and I was just like, no, dude, please don't do

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that work.

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There's a generation and I'm on old Man Mountain now

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growing up flipping through things on TikTok on their phone.

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Who don't I don't want to use the word understand,

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but and I don't want to explain comedy to a comedian.

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But the art of the callback, the art of the

460
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line I said here was set up seventeen minutes ago.

461
00:21:05.839 --> 00:21:08.400
There's at arc to it, which is a lot different

462
00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:10.200
than comedian Slam's heckler.

463
00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:13.319
Yeah, you're right, Yeah, you're absolutely right. There's no way

464
00:21:13.359 --> 00:21:16.400
any of these new I wouldn't even call them comedy fans.

465
00:21:16.400 --> 00:21:19.920
I think they're just fans of the TikTok And there's

466
00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:22.240
no way they would know anything about a callback. The

467
00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:25.400
algorithm or the format doesn't allow for a video to

468
00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:28.720
be long enough for a callback or anything like that.

469
00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:31.720
Or they don't know about the rule of threes. They

470
00:21:31.720 --> 00:21:33.960
don't know about any of the basic stuff that any

471
00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:38.200
comic worth their way has worked on for however long,

472
00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:42.519
because that doesn't exist to them as viewers, and it, honestly,

473
00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:44.720
it probably doesn't even exist to the comics that they're watching.

474
00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:46.680
They're just see you get me fired up man talking

475
00:21:46.720 --> 00:21:47.119
about this.

476
00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:50.200
I'll give you a real example. Aside from the hypothetical

477
00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:53.039
twenty something on their phone, and my audience is going

478
00:21:53.079 --> 00:21:54.200
to be sick of me saying that's going to be

479
00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:56.240
the saying this to every comic. So I watch a

480
00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:59.720
lot of specials because of what I do, and of

481
00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:02.279
the time, not ninety nine of the time. My wife

482
00:22:02.279 --> 00:22:04.640
shows up thirty seven minutes into the hour with a

483
00:22:04.720 --> 00:22:07.559
laundry basket, stares at the TV for a minute, and

484
00:22:07.559 --> 00:22:10.640
then goes, is this guy funny? And he was till

485
00:22:10.640 --> 00:22:12.519
you made me hit pause And you don't understand that

486
00:22:12.519 --> 00:22:14.359
thing he said there he set up three things ago

487
00:22:14.400 --> 00:22:17.319
and it was misdirect And again I'm not explain comedy

488
00:22:17.319 --> 00:22:19.880
to you, but it's yeah, he is funny, but you

489
00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:21.039
can't just walk in the middle.

490
00:22:21.680 --> 00:22:23.759
That's yeah, that's you know what. Yeah, put that on

491
00:22:23.799 --> 00:22:25.680
my tombstone. That happened to me All the time. When

492
00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:28.960
I'm watching comedy, my wife will come in and ask me.

493
00:22:29.799 --> 00:22:32.079
So I asked if this is a person funny? And

494
00:22:32.119 --> 00:22:34.960
I'm like, yeah, I'm just trying to or I'm trying

495
00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:37.599
to figure it out. You do comedy, you should know

496
00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:40.039
if someone's funny. I'm like, okay, man a chill I

497
00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:40.519
do this.

498
00:22:40.839 --> 00:22:42.720
Because she'll be like, are you watching this?

499
00:22:42.839 --> 00:22:44.720
Are you can enjoy it. Because I haven't heard you laugh.

500
00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:47.240
I'm like, that didn't mean I don't think it's funny.

501
00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:49.319
I don't know when, but like a lot of comics,

502
00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:52.519
something happened to where I stop. And there's times I

503
00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:55.160
genuinely will laugh if something is just silly enough. But

504
00:22:55.720 --> 00:22:59.119
now I just, oh, that's good, that's funny. I'll acknowledge it.

505
00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:02.200
I am so with you. I call this Emperor of

506
00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:05.559
Rome syndrome because again, not a comic, no kidding, not

507
00:23:05.599 --> 00:23:08.599
a performer, didn't want to be a performer, but sitting

508
00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:12.599
at serious for ten years listening to comedy radio nine

509
00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:15.480
ten hours a day, five days a week, and it

510
00:23:15.519 --> 00:23:17.839
was everybody's best of the best, right, So it's not

511
00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:20.519
just you being funny. It's the one you put down

512
00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:23.160
on record, right, So it's everybody's best of the best.

513
00:23:23.359 --> 00:23:26.519
And along the way I stopped laughing. But the same thing,

514
00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:28.480
I can watch a set and I'll just do the

515
00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:29.960
thing the comedians in the back of the room do

516
00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:30.319
is go.

517
00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:32.480
Oh, wow, that's a great show.

518
00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:36.400
Wow, that's hilarious. What a we called back? Oh? And

519
00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:38.039
then every now and then somebody will set up a

520
00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:40.680
misdirect and I'll actually do a belly laugh. I'd treasure

521
00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:43.480
that stuff when somebody actually gets me and I don't

522
00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:45.640
see the back to the word algorithm. I remember being

523
00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:48.799
sitting with one of my hosts. We were at when

524
00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:51.720
the jfl ustaffed the Chicago somebody you have heard of.

525
00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:54.200
We were at their set, and I felt bad because

526
00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:56.279
it was like back in grade school when you would

527
00:23:56.319 --> 00:23:59.200
graph a sentence like I could see it. It was like, okay,

528
00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:03.799
premise duration, thing that didn't actually happen callback And I'm like, dude,

529
00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:05.960
I can see I could graph yourself for you. It

530
00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:08.839
drove me insane that I had gotten deeper math comics.

531
00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:13.720
It's all formula. Yeah again, I'm trying not to be

532
00:24:13.759 --> 00:24:15.079
a hater. I'm working on myself.

533
00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:17.759
I'm dragging you down, all right, let me go the

534
00:24:17.799 --> 00:24:21.599
other way. Kyle Kinane's chunk on the fast and Furious.

535
00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:26.039
I'm putting in a class with Eddie Murphy Barbecue, Baseball

536
00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:29.759
and Football by Carlin. That is an all time chunk.

537
00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:30.720
Please tell him myself.

538
00:24:30.759 --> 00:24:33.240
Well, he'll be like, hey, you know what's it's so

539
00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:37.960
nuts working with him is it's a double edged sword

540
00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:40.880
for me because for what it's just crazy that now

541
00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:43.759
we're pals. And I used to listen to him when

542
00:24:43.759 --> 00:24:45.559
I first started. I'm like, and I told you again,

543
00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:47.799
like I was doing a bad canine for the first

544
00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:51.000
two years, and you fast forward about eleven years later.

545
00:24:51.559 --> 00:24:53.960
Now we're neighbors because he left La he lives up

546
00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:56.880
here and well he takes me out on the road

547
00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:59.079
with him. So over the years I've been able to

548
00:24:59.160 --> 00:25:01.920
watch him like we were at that Fast and Furious

549
00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:03.920
when we went to the Fast and Furious because me

550
00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:05.480
and a couple of him in a couple of comics,

551
00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:08.160
we were laughing so hard about how ridiculous it was,

552
00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:11.279
and we were all sitting around afterwards he threw out

553
00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:14.000
like just one line from that actually made the bit,

554
00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:16.759
and then to see him go from we're there, we're

555
00:25:16.799 --> 00:25:19.079
watching this, yeah, this funny kind of throw away, we're

556
00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:21.440
wearing a circle of comics and then fully.

557
00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:21.759
Stretch it out.

558
00:25:21.799 --> 00:25:24.200
I forgot how long the bit is, but just that's

559
00:25:24.759 --> 00:25:27.480
to see how his brain works in comedy. It makes

560
00:25:27.519 --> 00:25:29.160
me have to step my shit up and also makes

561
00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:31.200
me furious because I'm just like, why am I even

562
00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:32.039
trying to do this?

563
00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:33.079
I'm glad I have to go.

564
00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:36.440
I'm glad I go before you to get people okay

565
00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:38.400
with the idea of comedy, I don't I don't ever

566
00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:39.200
want to have to follow it.

567
00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:43.200
I love those films. I saw the first one Blockbuster video.

568
00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:45.000
I just pulled it off the shelf. Nobody cared about

569
00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:47.799
that franchise. Let me rent this. You know, those guys

570
00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:50.920
have gone from being from stealing DVD players.

571
00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:55.000
To international lovengers. Somehow. Ludacris is the just a tech

572
00:25:55.039 --> 00:25:57.599
guy that knows everything about computers and all that. I

573
00:25:57.640 --> 00:25:59.920
don't buy that Tyres is in space. What are we doing?

574
00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:00.759
We do it?

575
00:26:01.759 --> 00:26:04.519
So I think Kyle's a great example of everything we've

576
00:26:04.519 --> 00:26:06.440
talked about. Whether it's short clips or my wife in

577
00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:09.440
the laundry basket, there's a vibe there, right, So at

578
00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:12.279
some point and dworphins are kicking into your brain, you're

579
00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:14.680
just feeling the room. You're along for the ride with

580
00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:18.079
the performer, and I just don't think the short clips

581
00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:20.480
get you there. They can be funny, and comedy can

582
00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:22.359
come in many forms. So I don't want to snob

583
00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:25.079
too much, but there is something for all right. I've

584
00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:27.559
bought into what this performers selling. Let me just go

585
00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:28.119
along for the right.

586
00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:31.240
Yeah, those fans tend to stick with you. They become

587
00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:34.079
they trust you. They trust that and you're going to

588
00:26:34.119 --> 00:26:38.680
give them that performance or that kind of a feeling

589
00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:40.079
when they first discovered you.

590
00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:42.720
Kylesmans are They're great. They're a great crowd.

591
00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:44.440
I love performing in front of them because I know

592
00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:47.519
that these folks are here because they like comedy. I've

593
00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:52.160
had to open for these kill Tony guys, these like

594
00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:54.279
these one minute dudes.

595
00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:56.960
Oh wow yeah, and they're like, I hate that show.

596
00:26:57.359 --> 00:26:58.599
I think it's bad for comedy.

597
00:26:58.720 --> 00:27:00.640
I think it gives people the wrong idea of what

598
00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:03.599
stand up is because these some of these kids that

599
00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:05.519
go on there and they'll get a viral one minute

600
00:27:05.559 --> 00:27:08.599
clip from the show. Next thing, you know, and he

601
00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:11.079
walked walk into the local comedy club and that kid's

602
00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:12.640
face is on the poster for a one night er.

603
00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:16.480
I'm like, all right, Yeah, they got millions of views online,

604
00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:20.079
but they only have one or two one minute clips.

605
00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:22.119
Now I go, hey, watching, I'm like, let me see

606
00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:23.799
you struggle. Do you have forty five minutes?

607
00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:24.559
Can you do an hour?

608
00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:28.359
Because you've only been around since breakfast, So let's see

609
00:27:28.359 --> 00:27:32.559
what happens. And I went they Unfortunately I saw this

610
00:27:32.599 --> 00:27:35.279
one kid. He packed it out on a Wednesday night,

611
00:27:35.839 --> 00:27:37.920
and his fans were exactly who I thought they would be,

612
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:41.240
just the other inceel looking little dudes. And he went

613
00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:44.000
up there and for about the first five ten minutes

614
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:46.640
he just said all the stuff that you're not supposed

615
00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:49.319
to say, and then had nothing and it turned into

616
00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:52.359
a Q and a. I left, but from a buddy

617
00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:55.000
of mine who works there, it was pretty bad. For

618
00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:57.000
about thirty five minutes, he was just like, well, you

619
00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:59.720
guys got to ask you some questions. Let's go show me,

620
00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:02.039
you guys, any pictures of hot girls. I'm like to see.

621
00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:03.680
This is what it is? Now, this is what it is?

622
00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:05.920
Oh wow wow. I don't want to get vulgar here,

623
00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:08.119
so I'll pull the final word of what I'm about

624
00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:10.119
to set up. But I teach a couple of college classes,

625
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:12.599
and I would explain to them and I would just

626
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:15.400
suddenly say and then they punched her in the and

627
00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:17.799
naughty word there and I would get a laugh and

628
00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:19.920
I would say to them, I didn't even tell a joke, guys.

629
00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:22.240
I didn't set that up. I just said something out

630
00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:24.440
of nowhere and made it super vulgar. And you guys

631
00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:26.720
are laughing. I'm like, that is that doesn't mean I

632
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:27.160
can get.

633
00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:29.920
Up and do ten Damn I take that class. If

634
00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:32.839
my professor said that every now and then, that'll wake

635
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:33.519
me up. Yeah.

636
00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:37.119
It's a bit of a departure from my normal personality,

637
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:39.720
all right. I hate to ask things that I guests

638
00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:42.000
have been asked five hundred times. But you've got two

639
00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:43.799
things on your bio, and I'm sure you know what

640
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:46.440
they are that I've got to ask about your first

641
00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:48.559
stand up set Afghanistan.

642
00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:53.799
I was, I was deployed, and that was I think

643
00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:55.400
it was as like my second or third diployment at

644
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:58.440
the time. Yeah, we were. I was with this mobilized unit.

645
00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:00.720
We were just in one of the smaller out post

646
00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:03.079
in the Helmet province and we're only supposed to be

647
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:05.319
there for a couple of days to get some work

648
00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:09.279
done and we were supposed to leave, but there was

649
00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:11.680
a sandstorm, so the helos were down. That was going

650
00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:14.279
to transport us out for at least the next forty

651
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:18.559
eight hours. In that forty eight hours having to be Christmas, right,

652
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:21.640
so that bass at post anyway, they have what they

653
00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:27.480
call MWR Morale Welfare and recreation, so like to get

654
00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:29.559
people a break. It's Christmas time. It sucks we're all

655
00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:31.200
out here. It was a base of like maybe three

656
00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:35.480
four hundred people, So like, hey, in the cafeteria area,

657
00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:38.720
we're going to do a talent show. And so I

658
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:41.079
saw flyers all over the place, and me and my

659
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:43.480
buddies in my unit, we're like, shit, we're stuck here.

660
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:45.839
Let's just go and see what's going on. After about

661
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:48.920
the fourth or fifth guy I saw go up with

662
00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:54.400
an acoustic guitar and play a Radiohead song or a

663
00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:57.759
Creed cover, I was just like losing my mind. And

664
00:29:57.799 --> 00:29:59.880
I was a guy in my unit who I talked shit,

665
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:01.920
I cracked jokes all the time because that was my

666
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:04.440
fight or flight. And I was back there getting pretty

667
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:06.680
loose lip, making fun of all these guys. And then

668
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:08.240
there was a couple of dudes sitting around. They're like,

669
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:10.319
once you go up there and tell some fucking jokes,

670
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:12.119
why don't you go up there and yeah, cracking jokes people,

671
00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:14.000
I want to hear what you're saying. Trying to defend

672
00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:16.079
their buddies because I'm like roasting the hell out of

673
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:16.559
these guys.

674
00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:18.680
And I was like, all right, I'll sign up. Can

675
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:19.079
I sign up?

676
00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:21.279
Let's do it. And I went up there. I signed up,

677
00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:23.759
and yeah, they let me go up there, and I

678
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:25.799
just I did what I know now to be just

679
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:28.000
panic riffing, crowd work.

680
00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:29.599
But it all worked because.

681
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:33.839
I was just I just talked about it was already

682
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:36.519
we all. It all sucked. Being out there sucked. The

683
00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:39.599
food sucked. Those guys playing guitars sucked making fun of

684
00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:41.240
the higher ups they were sitting in the front row.

685
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:43.839
If I was to say any of the stuff I

686
00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:47.319
said to any of those guys without a microphone, without

687
00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:49.640
that context, they would have put me in the brig

688
00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:53.000
that I would have been busted down so many ranks.

689
00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:55.160
I would have gotten so much trouble. But because I

690
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.680
went up there and the hosting MC was like, Hey,

691
00:30:57.720 --> 00:30:59.960
this is so and so he's gonna tell some jokes.

692
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:02.640
He's a funny guy or whatever. There you can feel

693
00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:04.599
people leaning in They're like, all right, what's he gonna do?

694
00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:08.359
And I just just roasted people for a good five

695
00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:11.279
ten minutes. But then the next day there was a

696
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:12.720
lot of There was a couple of people there was

697
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:15.559
like I would be walking by and they'd be like, hey, man,

698
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:18.039
you were pretty funny last night, or one of the

699
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:20.519
one of the captains that I was getting after is

700
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:22.559
he walked up to me, I saluted and I was like, sirs,

701
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:24.599
do you remember me. I was like, yes, sir, you're

702
00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:26.480
pretty funny. You're lucky that shit was funny. I would

703
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:28.720
have busted your ass. So like, I thought about that

704
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:32.039
and when I shortly after the deployment was over, I

705
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:36.000
was home stationed in San Diego. And in San Diego

706
00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:39.359
we had I think four dedicated comedy clubs. You got

707
00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:42.559
the Manhouse Comedy Club, American Comedy Company, Comedy Store, La

708
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:45.799
Joya Comedy Palace. So I went on leave for the

709
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:47.799
whole month. When we got back and I had nothing

710
00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:50.039
to do, so I started popping into these comedy clubs

711
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:52.119
my first time ever, just sitting in the back of

712
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:54.599
open mics, and I was like, some of these guys

713
00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:57.359
are funny. Most of these guys are really bad. If

714
00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:59.359
they can be really bad, then I know I can

715
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:01.480
go up there pretty bad. For a while. That was

716
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:04.240
the book. I did the first set in Afghanistan, and

717
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:05.640
I think I told somebody, I'm gonna give it a

718
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:07.519
shot when I get back home, and I just followed

719
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:10.880
through and then I literally I just didn't stop going after.

720
00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:13.200
It took me about two months from the first time

721
00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:16.559
I went to an open mic to write something and

722
00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:19.599
then build up the courage to go up. But then

723
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:21.640
once I got up, I don't think I missed a

724
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:23.599
day where I didn't get up on stage. For the

725
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:26.200
first two three years, it was going after Oh wow.

726
00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:27.839
And unfortunately I'm still going after.

727
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:32.640
I mean still that story. I'm a big fan of

728
00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:35.519
Bob Hope, and unfortunately Hope gets judged a lot by

729
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:39.480
maybe hanging on a little too couple too many NBC

730
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:42.000
specials where he's eighty five and reading off the Q cards.

731
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:47.160
But the younger Bob Hope was quick and just getting

732
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:49.319
back to the art of it. I'm I'm sure you've

733
00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:51.519
seen clips of the USO shows and when one way

734
00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:53.880
they just seem really dated. They are from another time.

735
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:56.799
But something you said, he would get up and just

736
00:32:56.920 --> 00:32:59.400
have he'd get a little bit of information about the

737
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:03.160
locals and then do it, do the pacing and then

738
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:05.200
mug for the camera, mug for the audience. A typical

739
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.960
Hope joke would be like I see Captain Johnson's here

740
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:10.319
must be for the free hot dogs and then hit

741
00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:12.400
mug and get a laugh off and it's not even

742
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:15.079
a good joke, but just like everybody's like yeah, Captain Johnson,

743
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:16.759
it's just as this vibe of we're all in this.

744
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:18.200
Yeah, it really is easy.

745
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:20.599
When I think back now, the only reason I did

746
00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:24.799
well was because it was the pressure release valve. Everybody knew.

747
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:27.799
It was all common knowledge. Everything sucked. No one was.

748
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:29.599
You're not really allowed to talk about it, but for

749
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:32.240
some reason, if you go up there and someone gives

750
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:34.440
you the title of a comic or comedian, then you're

751
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:35.559
allowed to go ahead lit a rip.

752
00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:41.759
So good times and you also did it looks like

753
00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:44.160
a pretty cool show with the Trailblazers.

754
00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:48.680
Oh more for a couple of years. Because I moved

755
00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:52.359
up here to Portland with the wife in twenty eighteen

756
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:57.720
twenty seventeen ninety and I'm a big NBA guy and

757
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.000
a buddy of mine. There's a comic named Ian Carr

758
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:03.960
who is used to be here from Portland now write

759
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:06.359
it for years for the Late Show. James Forten all

760
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:08.760
that so real, good guy and became buddies over the years.

761
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:10.679
Right when I got up here, he was like, hey,

762
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:13.480
because he used to work for NBC Sports doing Lee

763
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:15.840
be the goofy comedian guy they cut to and he'd

764
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:20.639
say something weird or whatever. He reached out to them

765
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:22.920
and said, Hey, I got a guy who just moved

766
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:25.840
up there. He's a big NBA guy, he's a Blazer fan.

767
00:34:26.119 --> 00:34:27.719
I think he'd be perfect for this thing you guys

768
00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:30.760
are looking for. Because they were doing auditions all over

769
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:34.519
the Pacific Northwest, from Portland to Seattle for a crew

770
00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:37.119
of guys to do like an official pregame and then

771
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:41.039
postgame show for the Portland Trailblazers. Yeah. I went in

772
00:34:41.559 --> 00:34:43.639
a couple of times, a couple of rounds audition with

773
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:46.480
a different sets of guys, and I just knew. I

774
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:49.280
was like, Okay, I'm funnier. Then it was weird because

775
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:51.400
they had to separate. They had to separated into Hey,

776
00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:53.880
if you're here to audition, that's the funny guy. Go

777
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:55.519
over here and sit in this corner with these group

778
00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:57.880
of funny looking dudes. If you're here to be like

779
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:00.400
the straight up I'm the sports guy. I tell you

780
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:03.119
the x's and o's. Go over there. But they didn't

781
00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:05.760
know like I can talk well, I know basketball and

782
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:08.400
all this stuff like that. So I think I knew

783
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:09.960
I had the job right off the bat, and it

784
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:12.400
ended up being a good easy money to sit and

785
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:15.239
I got paid to watch basketball, talk about it and

786
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:18.119
just track jokes for a couple of years. Yeah, that's

787
00:35:18.159 --> 00:35:20.119
me not saying no to a good opportunity.

788
00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:23.039
Are you getting VO work because you've got great sypes?

789
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:26.880
Me again, I don't say no to opportunities presented.

790
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:27.599
I do.

791
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:29.599
I do VO stuff all the time.

792
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:34.719
That's there's nothing better than just showing up reading a

793
00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:38.239
couple of lines in a booth and then going home

794
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:42.679
and getting a check later and for doing minimal to

795
00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:44.159
no work. So I'll take it.

796
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:46.519
I'm impressed you still going to a booth as a

797
00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:49.719
long time radio guy. One of the things the pandemic,

798
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:53.039
For like about thirty six hours, we were like, what

799
00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:55.400
are we going to do? And then we just everybody

800
00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:57.800
figured out how to broadcast from home. You'd see people

801
00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:01.519
on cn when they're in their living room. Was great.

802
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:04.519
We figured out so back in the day. So clearly

803
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:06.320
you and I are three thousand miles from each other

804
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:08.559
and we're doing this and it sounds fine. Back in

805
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:10.119
the day, I'd have to bug you like, Hey, do

806
00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:12.079
you mind going over to the local radio station in

807
00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:13.960
Portland and we're going to hook it up over a

808
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:15.599
thing and it's going to cost two hundred dollars and

809
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:18.119
it's two hours out of your day. So, like a

810
00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:20.039
long way of saying, I'm a pressure not just recording

811
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:20.400
in your base.

812
00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:22.199
It's good a while since I've been to a booth, Mike.

813
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:26.599
What I ended up doing, especially during the pandemic, is

814
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:30.400
my little office space in the house just became all

815
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:34.519
in one podcast recording studio slash. I go audition for

816
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:38.000
a lot of things, but during the endemic, they just

817
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:40.360
want you to self tape everything. So one corner of

818
00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:44.639
my office was in the audio podcast equipment set up,

819
00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:47.840
and in the other corner there was like my camera

820
00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:50.199
and then I had my lights and my backdrop pulled

821
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:52.320
down so I could sit there and talk to the

822
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:54.920
camera and be these auditions, which it does suck. I

823
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:56.400
used to book a lot more stuff and I could

824
00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:58.679
be in the room with a casting director, especially the

825
00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:01.679
comic because we could work the room. There were gigs

826
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:04.400
that I knew I was going to book before we

827
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:06.760
even started doing the lines, because I would go in

828
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:09.920
and just start working the room like a comic deest,

829
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:13.199
talking shit and riffing and making people laugh, and then

830
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:15.519
they'd be like, oh, you're pretty great. I'm like, are

831
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:16.800
we going to read the lines? They're like, oh yeah,

832
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:18.679
go ahead and read the lines, and then boom you

833
00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:21.920
get the gig. But it's hard. It's hard to show

834
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:24.920
how charm you started to turn the charm on when

835
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:27.920
you're just recording yourself in your office, trying to keep

836
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:30.320
your voice down because the baby sleeping and your wife

837
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:32.960
is just trying to have a nice quiet time in

838
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:33.559
a living room.

839
00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:36.199
The amount of times again my wife in the laundry basket,

840
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:39.239
I'm recording the podcast and she thinks she's sneaking down

841
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:44.000
and is totally distracting me. And you're married. You just

842
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:45.639
don't want to pick the fight of can you not

843
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:47.880
do the laundry when I'm recording work great? Well, then

844
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:49.280
you do the loader like it's just like I just

845
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:51.960
eat it and get stopped. And it's interesting to me

846
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:54.679
that you say about working the room, because as we're

847
00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:57.880
doing this, I'm finding the opposite. So I look at

848
00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:00.599
the way I look and in person, I give off

849
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:04.800
suit vibes to comics. So I'm finding doing this in

850
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:07.679
this style, I'm connecting a lot easier because hopefully it

851
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:10.239
seems like you did we get a minute in, you go, Okay,

852
00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:12.320
this guy knows what he's talking about at least, whereas

853
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:14.960
I walk in and I've got my doctors on and

854
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:17.239
you're like, ah, all right, here's another radio guy who suits.

855
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:18.559
So this actually works better for me.

856
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:22.239
That's great, man. I figured anybody that has a pod

857
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:26.440
called Daily Comedy News probably knows what they're talking about

858
00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:28.199
when it comes to comedy. If that makes so any

859
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:31.239
better I was. I didn't come into this skeptical at all.

860
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:34.320
The absurdity of someone will be like, all right, let

861
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:36.440
me do a podcast to focus only on comedy and

862
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:39.039
just have no idea what they're talking about or who

863
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:41.559
they're talking Like, now did I say that out loud?

864
00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:46.360
I have done a couple of interviews where the guy

865
00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:49.079
was like, so you have a joke about Steph Curry

866
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:54.079
and so this guy's right, he's a sports The said,

867
00:38:54.119 --> 00:38:55.840
I don't know why they sent me over, but the

868
00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:58.679
guy just does a sports talk radio kind of thing,

869
00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:00.920
and I pr people they're just like, oh, he has

870
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:03.880
a joke about basketball. To talk to and I get

871
00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:06.119
there and I'm talking to the guys. So you have

872
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:08.960
a joke about Steph Curry. I'm like, yeah, he goes,

873
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:13.320
that's crazy, man, I'm like, yeah, how did you come

874
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:15.440
up with it? I'm like, you really want me to

875
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:17.719
I'm not going to break down a joke for you, man,

876
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:21.199
it's just dude, good audio. Good on you.

877
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:23.400
I'm like, okay, I'll tell you on the flip side.

878
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:25.760
Sometimes you get a guest who you ask a three

879
00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:28.360
minute question, you just get a yeah back. So here's

880
00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:31.639
my safety list. Don't answer any of this. What inspired

881
00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:34.119
you to get into comedy? Who are your influence is?

882
00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:36.360
How do you handle hacklers? Do you have any pre

883
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:39.119
show rituals? How do you balance your career with your family?

884
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:41.159
Those are my like, oh my god, how am I

885
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:43.000
going to pull twenty more minutes out of this? Dude?

886
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:45.000
But I didn't mean to do that today, But all

887
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:46.920
the questions just asked me. I can think about all

888
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:48.800
the people that right out of that's all they did.

889
00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:51.199
They came right out of the gate. So how did

890
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:54.679
you get into comedy? What inspired it? And I'm not

891
00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:57.960
I'm very grateful. I'm glad to be doing this. Thank

892
00:39:58.000 --> 00:39:59.679
you for having me on all that. But I'm still

893
00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:01.519
this is my rookie album, you know what I mean.

894
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:06.079
So I'm not used to talking about the material. Just shit,

895
00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:07.880
just selling it, you know what I mean. Like I've

896
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:10.360
spent all these times, all these years trying to figure

897
00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:12.280
out the material, and then I sell it when I'm

898
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:14.519
on stage. So now this is a different kind of

899
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:17.159
thing where you're like talking about the album. I'm just like, Yeah,

900
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:19.280
I think it's good. I'm proud of it. I think

901
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:21.719
you should get it. If not, I don't know. I

902
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:23.280
can't feed my family. I don't know, I don't care.

903
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:24.400
I don't know what's gonna happen.

904
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:26.559
Make sure your peeps put it in sound Exchange so

905
00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:28.960
I actually can play it on those various digital platforms.

906
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:33.239
Ointgere gonna be on Standard Change shouts the sound Exchange.

907
00:40:33.239 --> 00:40:35.800
I love getting those emails, but that lets me know

908
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:38.679
I got another little deposit in the bank because it's

909
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:41.199
a serious spinning my stuff. So I'm glad for those guys.

910
00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:43.519
And you were going straight into hot new releases.

911
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:45.599
Good talking, Yeah, to make great talking, man.

912
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:46.320
I appreciate it.

913
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:49.039
Boy, it wasn't he fantastic? I really, really liked him.

914
00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:52.719
His album is called either Way Pretty Funny, available now

915
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:56.559
from Blonde Medicine. Nice to see an old fashioned album album,

916
00:40:56.599 --> 00:40:58.559
isn't it? And I hope he wins the Grammy. Shane

917
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:01.800
Brendon either Way Pretty Funny, Really liked him, Hope to

918
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:03.679
have him back someday. And that is your comedy news

919
00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:04.920
for today. I'll see tomorrow