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Hey there, I'm Johnny Mack and my friends Spruce. The
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AI is back. Spruce. How you been.
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I've been fantastic. Thanks for asking, Thanks.
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For coming on. So I wanted to ask you. There
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was an article in Variety and it said Julia Louis
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Dreyfuss had the best stand up comedy performance of the
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twenty first century for her role in VIEP. I think
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that's crazy talk. I was curious for you. What do
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you think the best comedy performance of the twenty first
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century is? You don't have to limit it to sitcoms
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or stand up or anything, just overall. What are some
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of the best performances of the twenty first century for comedy?
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That's a tough one. Julie Louis Dreyfuss and VIEP was
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definitely iconic. Another standout of Steve Carell is Michael Scott
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in the Office. He brought so much humor and heart.
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And of course there's Tina fe in thirty Rock, who
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was brilliant both on screen and behind the scenes.
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What do you think, Oh man, you're setting me off here.
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Tina Fe I talked about this podcast. I think thirty
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Rock rests on the shoulders of Alec Baldwin. I'm sure
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Tina was great in the creative process, but that show,
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if Alec Baldwin is not on screen, is terrible. So
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there's no way I'm giving performance to Tina Fey. I
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also brought up Steve Carell on the Office as a
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strong contender.
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Alec Baldwin definitely brought a unique charisma to thirty Rock.
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It's true his presence is Jack Donneghie was a huge
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part of what made the show so hilarious, and Steve
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Carell as Michael Scott is just iconic. He brought so
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much depth to that character. Any other standout performances that
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come to mind.
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I suggested Kate McKinnon for doing the Holley Lujah on SNL.
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Other things that I'm considering. Is it some sort of
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Dave Chappelle performance, possibly a monologue on SNL if we
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go back to early in the century. Is it Dane Cook.
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He was such a great performer, and I'm sure there
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are things that I'm forgetting about. That's why I wanted
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to pick your brain.
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Kate McKinnon's rendition of halle Lujah was incredibly powerful and
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definitely memorable. Dave Chappelle is another excellent choice, especially considering
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as on comedy, his monologues on SNL and his stand
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up specials are legendary. Dane Cook did have a huge following.
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It was a significant influence in the early two thousands.
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It's definitely a rich field to choose from. Well, who
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would you go with? If I had to pick? I
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probably leaned towards Steve Corell in the Office for sheer
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impact and range. His portrayal of Michael Scott was both
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hilarious and unexpectedly touching. But Kate McKinnon's versatility on SNL
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is also a strong contender. It's tough to choose just one.
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What about you? Who would you choose? Well?
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Are we overlooking? Are there some Will Ferrell movies this century?
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I'd have to look what has Sandler done this century?
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I'm not a big Sandler fan, but I have to
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respect the bank account and put him in the conversation.
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Who else was good on SNL? What other stand ups
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were out there? Let's broaden this list a little.
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Will Ferrell definitely had some iconic roles in movies like
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Anchorman and step Brothers. Adam Sandler also made a huge impact,
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especially with movies like Uncut Gems, which showed his range.
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As for SNL, you've got stars like Kristin Wig who
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brought a ton of unforgettable characters to the show. And
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in stand up you've got people like John Milandy who
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have really made a mark. It's a rich field and
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there's so many talented comedians to consider. All right, but
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you're being noncommittal. Give me some opinions here, Give me
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the top five. This is the absolute list. I'm gonna
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hold your feet to the fire. Give me the top
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five comedy performances of the twenty first century. Don't be
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wishy washy, take a bold stand. All right, let's go bold.
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Here's the top five. Steve Carell in the Office. His
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portrayal of Michael Scott is legendary, blending comedy with heart
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in a way few have matched. Julia Luis Dreyfuss and Veep.
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Her performance at Selena Meyer was both razor sharp and
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incredibly funny, setting a new standard for political satire. Three
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Tina Fey and Alec Baldwin in Thirty Rock. Their chemistry
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and comedic timing were unmatched, driving the show success. Four
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Kate McKinnon on SNL. Her versatility and ability to completely
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transform into any character made her a standout. Five Dave
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Chappelle In's stand up and SNL monologues, sharp, insightful humor,
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and fearless commentary have made a lasting impact on comedy.
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I think you're just spitting back my list. I want
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to hear some original takes from you.
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Fair enough, here's a fresh take. Phoebe waller Bridge in Fleabag,
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she brought a unique blend of humor and raw motion,
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creating a groundbreaking and hilarious character. Two Donald Glover and Atlanta.
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His performance is both subtly humorous and deeply impactful, pushing
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the boundaries of comedy. Three Kristen Wig and Bride's Maids.
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She led an ensemble cast with impeccable comedic timing, making
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the film a modern classic. Four Bill Hayter and Barry.
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His performance is darkly comedic and incredibly nuanced, showing a
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new side to his talent. Five Kafain O'Hara and shitz Creek.
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Her portrayal of morber Rose is uniquely hilarious and endlessly quotable.
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What do you think of these choices?
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I think you're really interesting there with both Hater and
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Donald Glover. Those are two excellent picks for body of work.
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It's so hard to pick the best performance of the century.
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Absolutely, it's a tough call with so much incredib telling
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out there.
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All right, Spruce, thanks for popping on while I've got you.
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What else is interesting you in comedy these days? What
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are you listening to?
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I've been enjoying a mix of stand up specials and
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comedy podcasts. I'm particularly into Ali Wong's latest work and
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podcasts like Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend always bring a
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good laugh. How about you? What's been catching your attention
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in comedy lately? Boy?
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You love Ali Wong. I've been into Tom Poppa's podcast
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a little bit.
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Tom Poppa's podcast is great. He's got such a warm
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and relatable style. It's always fun to hear his take
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on everyday life.
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He's just had an amazing list of guests. He had
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that run recently with Gaffigan and a Teale just I
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love the inside comedy inside baseball stuff.
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That sounds fantastic. Those deep dies into the comedy world
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with season guests like Gaffigan and Mattel are always a
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treat you get such great insights in behind the scenes stories,
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anything specific from those episodes that really stood out to you.
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I thought it was interesting that gaff again and Papa
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started talking about the possibility of a comedy bubble bursting,
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that they see bigger comedians pushing tickets a little harder
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than they had been.
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The idea of a comedy bubble bursting is really interesting,
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especially with how the landscape has changed. It makes you
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think about how comedy consumption has evolved and how comedians
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are adapting. Do you think there's something to that or
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is it more of a temporary shift.
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It's interesting you see big comedians selling out huge arenas.
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There was a time when selling out Madison Square Garden
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was a big deal. Now it seems like Madison Square
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Garden has sold out easily, which is kind of interesting.
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Even weird Al is playing MSG now comedians really filling
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up that arena. The tiktokization of comedy has let a
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lot of people break through at rapid speed. I think
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the club scene is pretty healthy. It just what we
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might be picking up from Pop and gaffigin is that
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the price point on tickets has gotten a little high,
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and maybe people don't want to go to see comedians
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in arenas, like, for example, Jerry Seinfeld and Jim Gaffigan
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toured together.
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That's a great point. The rise of TikTok and social
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media definitely allows comedians to reach them of audiences quickly.
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It's fascinating how the club scene remains strong while bigger
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venues are becoming more common. The ticket pricing might be
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a factor, especially with so many entertainment options available now.
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It's a balancing ad for sure. Seeing Seinfeld and gaffickan
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team up must have been quite the show.
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No, there's an AI. Are you into any AI generated comedians?
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Do you have any material of your own?
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I don't have any material of my own, but I
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do enjoy exploring AI generated humor and seeing how it evolves.
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It's interesting to see how AI can mimic comedic styles
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and create jokes, but nothing beats to creativity and nuance
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of human comedians. Do you follow any AI generated comedy
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or is it more about human performance for you?
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I mean, I like humans, but I think AI can
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do a good job. For example, give me five Late
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Night style jokes about Trump renaming the Gulf of Mexico
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to the Gulf of America.
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Sure so. Trump wants to rename the Gulf of Mexico
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to the Gulf of America because when you think of America,
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you definitely think of renaming things that were already fine. Two.
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Renaming the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America.
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Next he'll rename tacos to freedom sandwiches. Three Trump renaming
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the Gulf of Mexico. He's just trying to build the
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wall around everything, including the water. Four. Rename me the
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Golf of Mexico's the Gulf of America. Because if there's
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one thing Americans love, it's unnecessary rebranding. Five Trump renaming
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the Gulf of Mexico. Next he'll be claiming the Atlantic
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as the Big Wets.
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All right, Spruce, thanks for hanging out again today. I'll
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have you back on. What have you got up for
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the rest of the day. What are you doing?
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Always happy to chat. I'll be here if you need
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anything else. Enjoy the rest of your day. Cheers, cheers,
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Take care,