March 16, 2025
State of Netflix Comedy in 2025 and Insights from Industry Experts
In today's episode, Johnny Mac dives deep into the current state of Netflix comedy in 2025 based on a comprehensive Vulture interview with Robbie Praw, who oversees Netflix comedy. Key topics include John Mulaney's new show 'Everybody's Live,' the...
In today's episode, Johnny Mac dives deep into the current state of Netflix comedy in 2025 based on a comprehensive Vulture interview with Robbie Praw, who oversees Netflix comedy. Key topics include John Mulaney's new show 'Everybody's Live,' the potential future of live comedy on Netflix, and the effect of Netflix's expansive library on new content. The discussion also touches upon competition from other platforms like Amazon and HBO and insights from industry figures such as Amy Gravitt of HBO, and comedians Russell Howard and Enya Martin. Additionally, updates on upcoming comedy events and festivals are shared. Tune in for a thorough exploration of the dynamic comedy landscape. Unlock an ad-free podcast experience with Caloroga Shark Media! Get all our shows on any player you love, hassle free! For Apple users, hit the banner on your Apple podcasts app. For Spotify or other players, visit caloroga.com/plus. No plug-ins needed! You also get 20+ other shows on the network ad-free!
00:32 John Mulaney's New Show
02:02 Netflix's Approach to Comedy
05:21 Competitors in the Comedy Space
07:02 HBO's Comedy Strategy
07:58 Jim Gaffigan and Comedy Festivals
08:58 International Comedy Insights
10:39 Enya Martin and Irish Humor
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Callaroga Shark Media. Hi there, Johnny Mack with your Daly
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comedy news. Vulture had a big piece about the state
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of Netflix comedy in twenty twenty five. They interviewed Robbie Bram,
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who oversees Netflix comedy. I worked with Robbie and everything
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back at Serious Now is fifteen plus years ago, back
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when we used to do stuff with just for laughs.
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Got to know Robbie a little bit. They opened up
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with Mullany and this article came out before Mullenie's show
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debuted last week, so they were talking about everybody's in
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LA from last year. It turned out the audience for
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LA wasn't huge rights Vulture and average of one point
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one million views an episode. What made you do the
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show anyway? Robbie said, well, there's only one John Mlaney.
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He's such a singular artist that when presented with the
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opportunity to do this with him, like you said, it
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was a no brainer. That number seems low, and maybe
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that explains why when I was watching it live Onnesday night,
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there wasn't really all that much buzz on social media
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about it. Interesting, good follow up, Is it really more
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about gut and taking a chance on talent, and I'm
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a big believer in taking a chance on talent. Absolutely,
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Robbie said, if you look, John mullanie is not only
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one of the most viewed stand ups on Netflix, he's
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one of the top tickets selling stand ups in the world.
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So we had a lot of confidence of the new
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show we're doing, Everybody's Live is going to break through.
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These types of shows have always grown over time. And look,
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there's nobody like John out there. If you watched SNL
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fifty with fifty years of some of the biggest stars
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in comedy, John mullaney stood out in that room and
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on that show. So we have a lot of confidence
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him and in this new show that's not crazy. How
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soon after LA did you start talking to Mallani about
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doing more, Robbie, I don't want to use his words,
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since I don't remember what the word exactly, But John
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had a lot of fun with the fact that there
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were no stakes and everybody's in LA because he couldn't
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be renewed. But he came to this. Honestly, what we
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did last May wasn't a pilot. It was truly being
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done as a six day show. And then he was
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so great and so natural in the seat. I think
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we started the conversations pretty much immediately to see if
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he'd be interested. Then they got into how Malanie is
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a collaborator on the show. Again, this is Unvulture. You
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should read it new topic Vulture. Netflix has done weekly
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talk shows and Talk to Jason shows with everybody from
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Chelsea Handler, Joe McHale, Norm Michelle Wolfe other than the
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Letterman's Project. They didn't really stick. If this one works,
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we make a lot more talk shows. Again, Robbie said,
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it's not something we're focused on. I mean this show.
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We weren't looking for a show like this. The show
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exists because we had an opportunity to work with John mulaney,
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and we think there are things you could do live
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that are just really, really exciting for the viewer. We're
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definitely gonna be looking at doing some things live when
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it makes sense, but it's not necessarily a concentration Vulture.
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What about a live sketch show now? Bill Simmons talked
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about this. Bill flowted the theory that Netflix is waiting
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for Lourene Michaels to step down, at which point SNL
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would be theoretically vulnerable. Simmons also suggested that the SNL
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calendar leaves a lot on the table, specifically in the
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election cycle, when the big conventions are happening and all
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the fun stuff is happening, SNL is dark. Maybe Netflix
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does something in the summer, which I think would make
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a lot of sense strategically. I don't have any insight
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into Netflix view patterns in which months are more or
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less popular. I do notice they tend to drop a
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lot of big, shiny things around holiday weekends. Robbie said,
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I think down the line would be open to it.
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Down the line, Simmons, maybe right there, you're bringing up
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SNL in fifty years as some of the best TV
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of all time. I'm sure we'd love to one day
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be in that business, but no plans for it at
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this point. That's a pretty clear answer. Great question by Vulture.
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Does having that big library of stand up specials have
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an impact on how much you green light? Now you
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don't need as much as you did early on when
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you're starting from zero. Great question. Robbie said, it hasn't
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affected our volume at all. What it has done, it's
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given more of a journey to when people discover the
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new favorite comedian on Netflix to be able to see
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more from that comedian or similar comedians. A recent example
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of that is Nate Brighetzi or Moa. Mayer just released
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his comedy series last month, and you're seeing more viewing
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on his old specials. Another great question by Vulture. Nice job, Vulture.
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You used to make headlines for paying crazy sums of
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money to comics for their future specials. I'm sure you're
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still writing Big Chicks, but you're trying to spend less
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on stand up. Robbie said, I think it's that different.
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We've always bought shows that have been produced and put
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on Netflix. I mean, for example, Chappelle's for specials, well us,
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we're produced before we purchase them. We're just looking for
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the best specials out there for our members, and people
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have such different tastes that sometimes quite frankly, it's really
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great opportunity where you see something that's pre produced because
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you gets sense of exactly what the creative lens is.
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But I don't think the strategy has changed. It's still
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about trying to find the best things out there, whether
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we do a deal in advance or whether it's licensed.
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Fultcher brought up Bert Kraser, saying he seems to be
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everywhere on Netflix. Does having talent all over the service
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help them attract talent? Great question? Or Robbie said, it's
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probably the thing I'm the most excited about. I mean,
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Netflix is obviously a really big company, and you know
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all the buyers across film and nonfiction and series. We
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talk a lot about this with talent. You mentioned Bert Krascher.
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Bert was just all over the NFL Christmas Game. We
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talked about Mulaney. We have a sketch show coming out
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with Tom Segura and season two of Michelle Butteu's Survival
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of the Thickest. And this is the way we've thought
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about things since we start in the space with people
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like a Zi's and Ali Wong. I know that was
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the serious model. It was a great way to attract
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talent because you could come up and say to anyone
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from Bruce Springsteen or a NASCAR driver or I don't know,
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a comedian, Hey, come on up, and you can go
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on the country station, the rock station, the comedy station,
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the sports station and hit all these different audiences and
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they could do like a big media tour just walking
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down one hallway at series make you know, come up
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for three hours and you could hit eight different audiences.
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It's one of the reasons we were able to get
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so many people. Vulture asked about the competitors, Amazon, HBO, Hularius,
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Hi Publicist, how you guys doing. Hulu even did a
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deal with Bill Burr, who's been a regular on Netflix.
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How much of a threat to your dominance are these
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other players? Vulture, You crushed this interview. Robbie said, I
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think the eyeballs to come to Netflix to watch stand
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up and the deep bench of library titles that we
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have in our festivals and radio stations and all that
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make it pretty clear we're invested in the space and
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are very proud of had this leading role in the
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comedy business. But the truth is it's very good for
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the stand up business that there are other buyers in
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the space. I mean, first and foremost, we're huge stand
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up fans. Boy, this is a nice polished answer, Robbie,
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good job. So all these great comedians having homes is great.
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Oftentimes different comedians go to different places, like Nate Pergetzi,
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he went to Amazon and came back to Netflix. We
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think the fact that competition is out there is a
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great thing and just shows how big a business. Stand
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up has become Vulture again. Good question. Was there a
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bidding war for Burr's special and was Netflix interested? And
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is it something Netflix was interested and went after? Robbie said,
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I mean, Bill's one of the best stand up comedians
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of all time. We've had a lot of business with him,
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so yeah, there was definitely interested in that, and we
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look forward to working with him again down the line. Vulture,
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one person you said you have no plans to work
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with again is Louis c k. But last fall you
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bought a special he directed from Adrian Appolucci. I know
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that's not the same as doing deal directly with him,
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but something changed. Sounds like Robbie was ready for this one.
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Adrian is such a hilarious comic that our team's been
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tracking for a really long time. Who were thrilled to
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put out that special, But there are no plans to
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work with Louis at this point. Yeah. Is there going
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to be a Netflix comedy festival at twenty six? Robbie said,
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I have nothing to talk about right now, but we
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love a big comedy festival at Netflix. More news to come. Vulture.
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Uh poked him in the ribs and said, uh, so
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you just confirmed it, and Robbie said, I understood the
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nature of your backdoor question and I appreciate it. Nice job.
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Vulture people. Deadline spoke to Amy Gravitz, who is HBO's
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head of Comedy. She says, I have full support inside
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the comedy to continue to keep the HBO comedy brand thriving.
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This is a broader interview, not just stand up. She
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spoke a little bit about untitled Steve Carell comedy that's
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about to start production. It centers on Steve Carell's character,
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who's an author. That character's complicated relationship with his daughter,
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which told the character gives some crazy, stupid love vibes,
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which is a twenty eleven movie Steve Currell started. Amy said,
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I've always wanted to do a show set in a
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college environment, and adding Steve at the center of it
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is a way into that world as a character who's
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exploring college experience for the first time later in life
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really felt like the way for us to do it.
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And of course working with Bill Lawrence has been a
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really fantastic partnership. A lot of pedigree there and could
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curb your enthusiasm come back, She says. Larry David has
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not spoken in HBO about doing another season, but she'd
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love it. We've been chatting. It seems like he's got
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some good ideas for me. Hmm. Outdoors Comedy Festival announced
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that Jim Gaffigan not coming. He's quotes unavailable to perform
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at the three day event July eighteenth through the twentieth.
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I wonder what has changed on Jim's schedule. They sub
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somebody in for Jim gaff again, now performing Martin Short,
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who will co headline alongside John mulaney on Sunday, July twentieth.
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They also announced Short will replace Jim Gaffigan at the
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Winnipeg Festival on July eighteenth. Verydas told Yahoo Canada, you know,
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comedy is always sort of counter cultural. Trump brought a
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different kind of comedy into the mainstream, and I think
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that will make more nuanced voices counterculture. And I think
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that will make more thoughtful voices counterculture. So I actually
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think what's happening with that will be very good for comedians.
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What I do know is your content can become controversial,
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but controversy should never become your content. Smart, he says,
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you can't predict what will go viral, and if you
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try to second guess that as an artist, you drive
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yourself insane. Your best bet is just to have it
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and go at it and then deal with it when
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they're upset. I don't think there's any predicting what makes
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people upset. Russell Martin is starting a US tour today
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at the House of Blues in Dallas. He told the
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Dallas Observer. The thing about gigging internationally is it gives
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you more strings to your bow because you've got street
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level knowledge of what it feels like in Holland, Denmark, Auckland, Wellington,
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whatever it might be. You're not getting material from the
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interne out of your country. Traveling as a comedian gives
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you more spices to add to your comedy cast role.
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He declared himself the king of adapting to different crowds
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and comedy styles, conceding that American humor can be a
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difficult bridge to cross for some British acts. He explains
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American audiences of such a reputation as being big fat laughers.
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The big difference between US and British comedy is it
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maybe we're a bit less high status can take the seriousness.
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It's a word this little vulgar in the States and
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not so vulgar in Britain. One of those words starts
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with the pee, rhymes with hiss out of ourselves in
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a way that doesn't happen broadly speaking as much as
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in the US. That's self deprecating. Humor is a big
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part of being British. He believes the only way to
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test new materials to show up unannounced at smaller venues.
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If people already fans, they have a vested interest. There's
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no point in getting rid of that and being statistic
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and going out of your way to perform people and
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make it hard for yourself. There's a useful amount of
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dress when you're creating new stuff. If you just do
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it in front of your fans, it makes you a
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wee bit narrow. He's taking an advantage of the US
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comedy club scene. I figure out what works and what doesn't,
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what needs changing. Otherwise you're leave me it to chance.
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It's a real kick in the ego. Teach sometimes to
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rock up a comedy club in New York. We've just
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done ten nights at the Royal Albert Hall and broken
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the record, and then we were in a comedy club
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in New York and there's sixty people there and you're
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dying thinking, oh, Ef, this worked a week ago. But
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that's the process, man, You just got to do it
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in order to make the shows great. I would rather
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go to a comedy club and try out new jokes
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