June 4, 2025
WTF Marc Maron ending - is John Mulaney's talk show also ending?
Johnny Mac discusses Marc Maron's announcement that his long-running podcast 'WTF with Marc Maron' will end this fall after 16 years and 1600 episodes. Maron and producer Brendan McDonald made the mutual decision to wrap up the show. Highlights from Maron's interview with John Mulaney are shared, alongside discussions on the evolution of podcasting, including some standout moments from other popular podcasts like Joe Rogan's talk with Jimmy Carr and Mike Birbiglia's insights on Netflix deals. Ricky Gervais' Hollywood Walk of Fame star and Jimmy Fallon's obsession with SNL are also covered.
00:15 WTF Podcast Ending
02:47 Reflections on Podcasting's Evolution
04:19 John Mulaney's Insights and Future Plans
06:15 Jimmy Carr and Joe Rogan's Comedy Talk
08:18 Jimmy Fallon on SNL and Career Highs and Lows
11:22 Ricky Gervais' Hollywood Walk of Fame
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Callarogas shock media boy.
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There is so much going on with podcasting and comedy
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high I'm Johnny Mack in a busy Wednesday with your
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daily comedy news. Is all right? The big one? Mark
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Maren kind of shockingly announced that WTF with Mark Maren,
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his podcast that's been around for sixteen years, will end
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this fall. On Monday's episode with John mulaney and I
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did pull some clips, Maren said, WTF is coming to
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an end, and it's our decision. He made it quite
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clear that this was a co decision with producer Brendan McDonald.
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He was very very clear about that. Maren said, we'll
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have our final episode sometime in the fall. The podcast
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turns sixteen years old on September first. More than sixteen
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hundred episodes. Probably the most notable one was Barack Obama
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in the Garage. I actually use that to teach my
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college students on this is how you do it. I'm
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going to miss the show a lot. I find Maren
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very easy on the ears, the conversations always good. There
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are a lot of weeks where Maren has the same
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guest as someone else, for example, John Maliney and the
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Maren version of it is just better. Maren explained. It
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wasn't some kind of difficult decision necessarily, neither me nor Brendan.
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We're the only people in charge of this operation at
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every level. We both realized together that we were done.
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All right, let's listen to Mark Maren explain it.
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And this started, you know, the old garage, the you know,
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just no one knew what a podcast was. I was
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coming out of a horrendous divorce. I was wanting to
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figure out how to continue living my life. Things were
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not looking good for me. Brendan MacDonald my producer who
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I'd worked with for years on other things radio and
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streaming related. And when Brandon and I started this saying,
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all we knew was we were going to do it
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every Monday and Thursday, and there was no way to
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make money. There was no way that we knew how
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to build an audience or anything. And it was crazy.
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We were doing it in a garage at the beginning
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that was just a garage. It was filled with junk,
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and it slowly evolved into the show that became what
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you listened to twice a week. Sixteen years we've been
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doing this and we've decided that we had a great
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run and now basically it's time, folks, it's time WTF
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is coming to an end, and it's our decision. We'll
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have our final episode sometime in the fall.
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Now, I remember listening to the show. Podcasting has had
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kind of two waves. The second wave everybody puts around
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twenty fifteen with Cereal, But there was that earlier wave
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when we all first got phones and you would actually
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have to connect to your phone to iTunes and manually
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download a show. Before we left the house. He had
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something to listen to, and I was out running, and
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I remember Maren and Nerdiced were like two long form
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pods that you would grabs. You would just have stuff
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on your phone to listen to as your bran. Maren said,
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we're tired, we're burnt out, and we are utterly satisfied
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with the work we've done. We've done great work. Doesn't
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mean I'll never have, you know, talks like I do
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here or some kind of podcast at some point in time,
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but for now, we're just wrapping things up. It's good
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that he gets to go out on his own terms.
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Maren said, it's okay for things to end. We started
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the show on our terms. We grew it on our terms.
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We'll end it on our terms.
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It's the right decision for me, it's the right decision
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for Brendan. It's okay, it's okay for things to end.
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It's just time, folks. But again, we'll have a few
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more months, so don't get all bummed out. Let's just
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enjoy it. The world is on fire. I have the
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people I want to talk to. We'll find a little joy,
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We'll find a little connection, We'll find a little solid
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in each other's company.
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Also, notably, he never did video, and that's the big
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thing in the industry right now was, oh, you gotta
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have a video, and this has always been an audio podcast.
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Maren Show actually debuted a month after the Adam Carolla
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Show and three months ahead of Rogan, and then he
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got into the interview with John Mulaney, which was separately noteworthy.
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Now what rang my ears? Listen carefully to John Mulaney
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commenting here, Maren asks him will there be another season
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of Everybody's Live? And I had pointed out on this
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podcast a few weeks back Robbie Prau, who heads up
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Netflix Comedy, gave some sort of quote that made me go, huh,
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this isn't the slam dunk we were led to believe. Now,
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listen to m'laney here, I'm not sure this show's coming back.
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Listen Have they said we're doing more yet we Yes.
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There was a plan to do more and we're figuring
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it out.
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Yeah, yeah, are you gonna U?
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I never know what to say to that.
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I also like this clip from John mulaney. He's almost
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defiant that if if something works, he's going to stop
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doing it. Fair enough, respect the mindset, but it's why
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the show doesn't work. But here's Mulini.
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Anytime you say they're figuring it out not a bad set,
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a side of me comes out, you know, like they've
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they've found their groove. No, we haven't. I'll do it blindfolded.
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And also when they say things like they're figuring out,
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it's just a diplomatic way of saying if not.
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Good, Oh, I think they just say it's not good
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when they don't like yeah, I think we're no longer
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living in the decent era of uh, well, they're figuring out.
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I think people want the best for you, John, Oh,
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that's it.
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Molini also talked about being offered the oscars he did
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confirm that it was offered to him. He said, I
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was very flattered. They came to me. Must have been
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last summer, and I knew Jimmy Kimmel wasn't going to
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do it, and they offered it, and it was honestly,
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they had a lot going on, and it's months and
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months of work. Both he and Maren praised Conan. Malini
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said he came out and was not only funny, but
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he elevated the show to the point I almost convinced
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myself that I'd seen these movies and I han't seen
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one of them. Mary makes some good points that Conan
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will sometimes self erase when he's floundering, and in the
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first few seconds of the Oscars, you could see Conan
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was almost heading towards a flounder and then found himself.
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So it's a really good listen Maren and Malaney. But
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I have plenty of more podcasts for you to listen to.
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Joe Rogan had on Jimmy Carr a very good three hours.
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I can listen to Jimmy Carr talk about comedy all
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day every day. Here he talks about Heckler's and.
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Then I'm trying, but then I'm trying to I've got
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a good fastball, and then I'm trying to work on
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the other bits. But that's kind of what I love
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about the industry because.
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It's it's everything.
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You go, yeah, I can get good at that, and
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then I can I can do you like twenty minutes
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of fastballs, and then do I've start About a year ago,
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I started putting. I started working with a videographer and
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putting stuff out of like Heckel videos and people talking
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to me, yeah, I'll and you go. It's just such
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a joyful thing because it's almost like doing the stuff
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when you go, just hit me whatever you want. I'll
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do anything. It's like seeing magician do real magic, because
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you kind of go, right, yeah, I've worked this muscle
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hot enough I can. I'll write jokes life for you now.
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Jimmy Carr is also the guest on kil Tony. Haven't
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gotten to that one yet. The podcast The Town had
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on both Mulaney I'll maybe talk about that in a
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few days and had on Mike Burbiglia. The clip I
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pulled here Mike Burbiglia sounds to me like the Netflix
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money isn't what the Netflix money used to be. Here's
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for bigs.
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Are they still paying top dollar though? Are you? I mean,
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you don't have to give me numbers, but like they're
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still treating you well because I've heard some pullbacks.
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I think there have been. I don't look at other
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people's papers that much, but.
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I mean it's fine.
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I mean it's fine.
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I've never, honestly, I've never made a ton of money
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from comedy specials.
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A lot of it is just like marketing.
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Getting well, yeah, and it's getting like, look, I do
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a really specific thing, like I consider myself the luckiest
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person in the world to have found Netflix. I shouldn't
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even say this on record because it'll make my negotiation
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for the next cringe exactly, but it's it's like Netflix
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is the best thing that ever happened to me, because look.
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I was like, I Mike Berg would turn this off.
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I make shows that are combination of Broadway shows, theater, storytelling,
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and sinup comedy, like nobody before Netflix. Nobody was like,
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we got to get that on Comedy Central.
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And I just now before I started recording, walked the
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Dog for an hour and listen to Diary of a
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CEO with Guess Jimmy Fallon. I really enjoyed it. It
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was nice to hear Jimmy Fallon in real person mode.
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But boy, the way he tells the story he was
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obsessed and convinced he would be on SNL by age
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twenty five. It almost sounds like hogwash, but you listen
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to him say it over and over and he believes it.
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The host even asked him, well, what would happen if
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you didn't get SNL by twenty five, and Fallon like,
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can't even entertain that as a premise of like, what
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do you mean? Of course I was going to get
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it very interesting. There one thing that was a little fun.
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It got cleaned up at the end, But in the
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first half of the podcast, they were making it sound
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like by phrasing it this way that Fallon replaced Letterman,
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I mean kinda sorta, But that's like saying Jay Leno
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replaced Jack Parr, I mean kinda sorta. Later on, Fallon
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said that he replaced Conan, which is factually accurate. A
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note to everybody in the podcast industry, this is my
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number one pet peeve, but I'm specifically calling you out
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Diary of a CEO guy. So in the middle of
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the podcast, Jimmy Fallon is talking about dying, about what
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it will be like when he dies, and it abruptly
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cuts to a live read of the Diary of a CEO.
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Guy trying to sell us an iced coffee. It's a
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train wreck. People. You have to place these commercial breaks.
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It's very easy. I do it on this podcast every day.
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If you notice what I will do is I will
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leend a story in a down inflection and I leave
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a nice little hole there and that's where the commercial goes.
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It's very easy to do, and I don't know why
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people can't do. Whether there's so many train wrecks. The
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worst train wrecker of all is Tim Dillon mid sentence
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train wrecks. Joe Rogan is awful. Plus the reads come
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mid sentence. Spotify do better anyway. Diary of a CEO
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very very good. Listen with Jimmy Fallon. Fallon talks about
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the highs and lows of his career and auditioning when
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he was in his twenties. He says he wasn't the greatest,
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and I'm a pretty positive guy in general, but I
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think it was probably my lowest moment. I remember like
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trying to see what therapy was or if I could
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afford a therapist. I wrote a letter of my best friends,
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like I'm losing it, dude. I think was something on
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the point of like I'm losing it and I don't
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know if I can make it. Jimmy talked about his
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obsession with SNL. I became so obsessed in high school
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that I really couldn't hang out with anyone. I watched
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the show. People are like, can't you tape it? I
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can't tape, but I have to watch it live. I said,
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if I do nothing else in life, that's all I
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wanted to do. And like, even if that, if I
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could go for one season or one episode, then I
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could do whatever I want. Really really good conversation. I
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think Fallon is better than the interviewer Stephen Bortlett. And
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I'm not sure Steven is the greatest host, but he's
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got a pretty successful podcast there and I'm sitting here
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in the basement, so what do I know. But I
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think Fallon is really good there. Also, catching my ears
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is Jimmy does kind of what I do and swallows
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the syllables on the first word of SNL. I'll often
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say sat Night Live or Saturday Night Live or something
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like that unless I catch myself and over an unciate.
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Jimmy a few times says something like Saturnight Live if
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you pay attention across my ears continuing are very busy
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Wednesday and busy a block. Ricky Gervais last week on Friday,
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got his Hollywood Walk of Fame star. He said he
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was humbled and that his success was a mix of luck, persistence,
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and a little bit of pushing against the tide. Ricky said,
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I'd love to claim that it was due to my
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unrival genius, but truth be told, it's a cocktail of luck,
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persistence and a little bit of pushing against the tide.
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You know, you've got to polarize. I think you need
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to know if you're gonna do anything of any worth.
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As many people hate you as love you. But the
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ones that hate you shouldn't affect you. The ones that
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love you, they buy your house, so I'd like to
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