Aug. 9, 2025

Colbert’s exit, Leno’s backlash, and the fate of late night - with Mike Chisholm of The Letterman Podcast

Colbert’s exit, Leno’s backlash, and the fate of late night - with Mike Chisholm of The Letterman Podcast
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John is joined by Mike Chisholm from the Letterman Podcast, to discuss 'Colbert Gate' surrounding Stephen Colbert's Late Show on CBS. 

 The two hosts debate the viability and future of late-night television, specifically noting the financial strains and cultural impact, with references to past late-night giants like David Letterman, Jay Leno, and Seth Meyers. The episode also touches on the format evolution towards streaming platforms, highlighting Netflix's potential in live comedy specials. The segment wraps up with speculations on what could come next for Stephen Colbert and the late-night TV landscape.


00:42 John Oliver's Hollywood Reporter Profile
01:42 Late Night TV's Evolution and Challenges
03:37 Colbert Gate and Financial Struggles

05:18 Discussion with Mike Chisholm
07:21 CBS's Identity Crisis and Late Night Future
20:28 Stephen Colbert's Potential Next Moves
30:35 Conan O'Brien's Journey at NBC
31:04 The Awkward Charm of Early Letterman
32:50 Netflix's Comedy Strategy 33:26 The Nostalgic Value of Music in Late Night Shows
38:27 The Future of Comedy Specials
40:29 Late Night Television's Changing Landscape
42:09 The Legacy of David Letterman
45:10 Jay Leno's Consistency and Criticism
55:20 Seth Meyers and Late Night Identity 

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Callaroga Shark Media.

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John Oliver said, I'm going to take a hard pass.

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I'm taking comedic advice from Jay Leno. Hi. I'm Johnny

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Mack with your Daily Comedy News Today, my guest or

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my co host. I think we did a home in homier,

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so I don't think he's the guest. I might be

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the guest on his show, regardless. I said some words,

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and so did Mike Chisholm from The Letterman Podcast, and

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we talked about Late Night Colbert Gate. We got into

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all the hosts. We eventually got around even as Seth Myers,

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the Jay Leno of it all gets into this. You'll

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hear me talk about that. So I won't play that

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card yet. I'll share that interview in a minute. I

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do want to talk about Oliver a little bit. There

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was a big profile of him in the Hollywood Reporter.

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They pointed out that John Oliver seems to you enjoy

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biting the hand that feeds him. John said, there's no

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taste to your hand, Holly Reporter, what point you started

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railing against your corporate parent, the idiocy of the HBO

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Max name changes seemingly with Glee. Did you hear from anyone.

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After Oliver said no, and You're right, I'm truly happy.

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In those moments.

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That's probably the most at peace I am when I'm

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trying to draw fire from our owners. Good follow up

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by the reporter. Should we unpack? Then? What does that

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say about you?

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John?

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I don't know. I refuse to turn this into a

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therapy session. Then he laughs. But I always used to

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love watching David Letterman do it. See that's why I

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did this before Chisholm in the Letterman Podcast. Johnny macknow's

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had a host a show. I know what I'm doing here.

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I always used to love watching David Letterman do it.

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To me, it felt like a really healthy sign of contempt,

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just a very fun and slightly important indication of non compliance.

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So I loved it when he'd make fun of GE

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and CBS and yeah for me, making fun of whoever

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owns us on a minute to minute basis is at

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the rill Johnny macknows how to run a show. I

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pulled the question here to John Oliver. Just John Oliver.

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Worry about the future of late night TV, John Oliver

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told The Hollywood Reporter on Network TV. Yeah, it's constantly evolving.

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What happened to the Late Show is incredibly sad for

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comedy and obviously for the staff in that building. It

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really resonated with me when Steven said he was hoping

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to hand the show over to someone else. You hope

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that the franchise lives on, partly because there were generations

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of teenagers watching those shows and deciding maybe I'd like

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to be a comedy writer, and then maybe you're writing

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on that show. So just as there are Colbert writers

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that watch Letterman, there will be future writers that watch

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Colbert and you want that to continue. I'm sure it'll

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find a way to exists in some form. We just

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don't know yet exactly what that's gonna look like for

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network television. Holly Reporter said, Late Night used to be broad,

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unifying entertainment. I know Jay Leno recently spoke on this

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topic about making a show for everyone. Oliver cut that

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off and said, I'm going to take a hard pass

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on taking comedic advice from Jay Leno, who thinks that

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way executives, comedy can't be for everyone. It's inherently subjective.

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So yeah, when you do stand up, some people try

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to play to a broader audience, which is completely legitimate.

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Others decide not to which is equally legitimate. I guess

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I don't think it's a question of whether you should

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do it, because I don't think comedy is prescriptive in

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that way. It's just what people want. I think iowur

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show clearly comes from a point of view, but most

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of those long stories we do are not party political.

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They're about systemic issues. Good question from the reporter. As

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someone who's found a version of a late night show

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that succeeds on streaming, do you think it's replicable, and

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if so, what should it look like? Oliver said, I

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have absolutely no idea. The late New York Times columnist

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David Carr said something so nice at the end of

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our first year. He liked our show, and he said

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to me, if you had described the show to me

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before I said it, I would have said it sounded terrible.

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Was so honest. I've never forgot it because I don't

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think on the page our show sounds very good. I mean,

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we're doing like forty minutes on juvenile justice, So I

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don't know that you can emulate this success. I think

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it might have been a mistake or a lightning strike.

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I don't know that this is scalable, but I really

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like late night to exist in some form elsewhere. My

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favorite thing is when you can have things that have

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both a strong point of view and are incredibly stupid.

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Seth Meyers last week did some great shows, and he

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also did an amazing segment about how to pronounce croissant.

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Did you see that?

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It was so good? It was the hardest I laughed

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all week. While we're on the topic. From the wonderful

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Latenighter dot com, their headline and analyst said network late

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night talk shows became unprofitable. In twenty twenty three, Late

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Nighter said we asked a network TV research analyst if

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they thought the CBS number of around forty million rang true.

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Late Nighter says their response was a qualified yes, quote

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I would believe anywhere between twenty five to four forty

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million dollars. Revenues have dropped at a pace that far

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outstripped the speed at which costs can be reduced. Late

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Nighter reports in twenty fifteen, the typical eleven thirty PM

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talk show brought in well over two hundred million dollars

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in revenue and made a healthy profit. By twenty twenty, three,

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the same show was underwater, and by twenty twenty five,

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lossers are well into the tens of millions of dollars,

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even with cost controls. They have some nice graphs here,

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or not nice at all graphs. You can just see

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how the numbers get pretty ugly. Late Nighter says, using

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standard exponential smoothing, the analyst forecast that losses for a

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typical eleven thirty five PM network show could reach seventy

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million dollars by twenty thirty. Yeah, hey, should we make

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a show and lose seventy million dollars or not make it?

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That's a pretty easy decision, the secret analyst told Late

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Night Or this isn't about Colbert or Fallon or Kimmel.

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The platform economics have changed across the board. It's like

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trying to sell newspapers in two thousand and nine. Well,

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I have some ideas what they can do, and I

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share them with Mike Chisholm. Mike hosts the Letterman podcast,

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which you can guess the title is about Late Night

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and Late Show with David Letterman, and obviously Stephen Colbert

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hosts the Late Show franchise these days, so it all

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makes sense. And when I heard about Colbert Gate. I

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reached out to Mike do We haven't met in real life,

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we don't live in the same country, and we don't

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live on the same coast. We do sometimes zoom and zoom.

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We did to talk about late night. Here is Mike Chisholm.

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All right, it's circus time right now in late night

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and because of that, the mashups of shows where hey,

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let's have a conversation and connect the dots and we'll

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both put this conversation on both our platforms. It is

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a pleasure to be with Johnny Mack and the Daily

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Comedy News podcast, which I just adore. And we haven't

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talked in a while Johnny, and it was like, okay,

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so are we gonna do this off? And we've been

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trading texts and emails and things like that, but let's

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do this. Let's do this with the cameras on the

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microphones on Holy smokes, is it a good time to

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be a fan of comedy right now?

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There's so much going on aside from Colbert Gate, as

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I've started calling it, there's just been so much that

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I'm trying to do, you know, fifteen minute ittpisodes like

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I usually do when they're coming out at twenty something

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plus bonus episodes. It's just been super busy, which, if

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you're me, especially an August, great problem to have.

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Yeah, Oh, definitely, yes, especially this time of year, No

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doubt so. Colbert Gate, so it's getting a gate in

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your world, in the daily comedy news world, Colbert, it's

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getting a gate status. That's how big we are.

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I think the initial was it about the merger? Was

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it about the money I've landed on? I think it

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was about the money, but the merger sure was a

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factor in it, And my legal departments tell me that

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I misspoke there When I said sure, I meant to

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say possibly. I think it's a mix of both. Let's

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start with the money, assuming who knows what's true. CBS

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floated forty million dollar loss. Stephen Colbert might have pushed

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back on that a little, but I don't think anybody

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is saying we're not losing money at all. We made

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forty million dollars, so the show's operating at a loss.

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If you come at it at that standpoint, it's not

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crazy to end the show. It might make us sad,

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but it's not crazy. But there's so many shades to this.

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One thing I've talked about, and it may apply more

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to to NBC. It's the who are we? Right Fox,

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We're football and some animation and we don't care.

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Yep.

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If we're NBC, we are the Today Show and the

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Tonight Show and some stuff in between. That's who we

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are as a company at NBC, and I think CBS

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as the transition ownership has decided, you know what, we're

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the football and the NCIS network. In sitcoms for older people,

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do we need an eleven thirty show? I'm not sure

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they do, but we also need to talk about the timeline.

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Is once against I hijack your show?

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Please?

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You know one thing that one thing that was brought

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up was Taylor Thomlinson at twelve thirty was renewed. I

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think Bill Carter is the one who brought this up. Yep,

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it was renewed.

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Okay.

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So if she had said, great, I love hosting after midnight,

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what's it called now? Yeah?

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After midnight?

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Yet if she had stayed, would there have been no

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eleven to thirty show? Would they have moved her up

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to eleven thirty? Would they have hired either you or

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me to do an eleven thirty show on the cheap,

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so the story doesn't quite add up. Although having worked

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in broadcasting, maybe Taylor's decision started some conference room meetings

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of Oh, wow, should we replace twelve thirty?

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No?

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All right, now that we landed on that, do we

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even need eleven thirty? So I just threw a lot

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at you. But there's just so much to unpacked with

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Colbert Gate.

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It is a gate. I think you have certainly brought

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the case forward to say that, yes, Stephen Colbert is

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deserving of a gate. I think he is too, for

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a variety of reasons. And yes, first off, I one

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hundred percent believe CBS when they say it was purely

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a financial decision. Eight billion dollars is a lot of money.

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It's financial. Yeah, eight billion, yeat, we'll put on We'll

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put on the Zoo channel eleven thirty for eight billion dollars,

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which of course then brings in the idea of the

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business versus the heritage, and the entire medium is changing.

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You can't really blame people who don't necessarily have this nostalgic.

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Maybe they do. Maybe some of the people who are

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making these decisions do have the nostalgic wherewithal to understand

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the legacy of the house that Dave built, the idea

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that CBS forever wanted a late night franchise, Letterman and

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Company built it for them, gave it to them. It

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had never happened before in the history. The medium was

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changing back then because extra television was the audience was

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being diluted as you went from your four major networks

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three and a half major networks until Fox really took

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the football from CBS and really upped their game and

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then diluted even more. You had never had a competitor

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of the Tonight Show, and the Late Show or Late

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take their signature star in David Letterman and transfer that

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franchise to another signature star. That signature star brought it

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to number one to number one status. This is a

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big deal that they are getting rid of this franchise

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and the idea that it is purely a financial decision,

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you hear. I loved listening to David Letterman and Barber

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the idea was it not floated that they could have

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cut the budget? How many times in our run. Did

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they tell us to cut the budget and we just

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went and cut the budget. It like you say, a

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keystone could have been pulled with Taylor, But wasn't Stephen

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involved in that show too, like the way that Dave

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was involved. Worldwide Pants owned that block of television, so

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it was a little bit different. But the fact that

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they created Late Show and Dave had his fingers in that,

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after his show as well, and it didn't go as

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well when they changed it from Late Show too after Midnight.

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So yeah, there's a lot, like you say, a lot

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of stuff to unpack here, a lot more than just

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what we're seeing on the surface. And the idea that

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people talking about free speech is free speech under attack,

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all that kind of stuff. Latenighter dot Com, about two

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weeks before this announcement was made, I think it was

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two weeks put up an article saying talking about the

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sky Dance Media merger, saying are Stephen Colbert and John

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Stewart in trouble? Two weeks before and the announcement comes

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out They're ending not just Colbert but the entire franchise.

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You gotta wonder is John Stewart next, and what comes

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next for these guys here you were involved in as

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an enthusiast of this stuff in ninety two to ninety

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three when Carson left and Letterman moved over to NBC.

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That's why I call that circus time. Anytime that there's

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an opportunity for Bill Carter to write a book, it's

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a good time to watch Late Night. I think we're

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there right now, and I think we're gonna get ten

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months of it, and I think it's gonna be a

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lot of fun. I call it circus time. I don't

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know what you call it, but yeah, So that's my

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initial thoughts and we can go from there. So yeah,

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like you said, lots of unpack.

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Again, as somebody who has spent to both of my

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career as a media executive, especially with a number one show,

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you would think, and others have pointed this out, a

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conversation would start along the lines of, Hey, Steven, this

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thing's losing a lot of money. We would love to

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have you back. We got to renew you for less

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that has been done before. I think that's even been

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done with the current generation of hosts. So we have

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to knew you for less. We need some added value. Look, dude, Kimmel,

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look what he does for ABC. We have this idea.

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Can you host the night time Prices right or something

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like that? Just get more out of Colbert. Somebody else

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had floated, Hey, we're not going to do a show

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at all. On Friday, We'll show you know, Friday Night

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cartoons and on Wednesday we'll double tape. So we only

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need people there three days a week. Do we need

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two hundred people? Can you do this with one hundred

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and eighty? Yes, we can get a ton of money

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for the Ed Sullivan Theater. So it's going to suck,

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but look, look at how Late Night with David Letteran

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was in a tiny studio. So we're going to move

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you to a CBS studio seven Z and you're going

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to do the show out of there, and maybe we

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can make this thing work. Like why wasn't that conversation

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had at all?

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Exactly? And he, like you said, he's number one, Write

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your way out of it. Here's your predicament. Write your

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way out of it. And to me, late night writers

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when they are given like the good ones, the really

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good ones, and the good franchises, when they're given a

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piece of adversity, that's what they do. They write their

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way out of it. That's what they do. And to

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be not given that opportunity to do that certainly points

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the finger at the executive saying that, you know what,

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maybe they just want it to go away. Yeah, and

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there's probably you just listed four or five things, and

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there's probably twenty other things that started to cut you off.

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Because my brain is going now in executive mode, I'll

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give you a couple more. Yeah, Steven Lovea, we're going

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to cut the salary instead of hosting I don't know

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it does forty weeks. Why don't you do twenty four

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Kimmel's off all summer? The world doesn't end, so you

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have the entire summer off. I can't pay you for it,

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but you have the entire summer off, and then we

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can look at it and go all right, so we

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get just some comedians and pay them a lot less

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to guest host the show all summer. You want to

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get super radical, Let's not even air the show. Let's

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just have the season finale in May, and let's run

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CSI reruns all summer long, and then bring the show

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back in September. Hey, it's an all new season of

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the Late Show. Isn't this exciting? It's back. It's back

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is exciting rather than it's just on. If you're on

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the crew and you don't get paid all summer, that sucks,

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but it sucks less than not having a gig at all.

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I feel like there were things that could have been

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done here.

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Yes those by the way, I'm glad you mentioned the crew,

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because if it is circus time and guys like us

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are gonna have a lot of fun talking about this

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stuff and watching it, watching the implosion that it seems

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to be happening, happen, and we're gonna make popcorn and

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talk about it. Let's talk about these people that work

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for this show. Many of these people who have made

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entire career sacrifices to get to the place to work

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on a show like this. It is the dream gig

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for a lot of the people that work in that building.

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I've talked to some of these people. That's where my

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heart goes out too. I don't make no mistake, I'm

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gonna have a lot of fun making fun of CBS

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this next ten months. I'm going to I'm stricken, I'm heartbroken,

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I'm like a spurned lover in the fact that they're

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ending this franchise, that the house that they've built, and

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I'm going to make fun of that. I am so

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sad for the people who work for that show. And

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it's really a shame because, like we're talking about here,

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we're making the case for the idea that it could continue,

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and many would say should continue, and yet so callously

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a line on a ledger being crossed off. That's what

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this sort of feels like. Yeah, but the people who

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work for this show, Like, my heart goes out to

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these people. You've seen that happen where mediums change and

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it's like a game of musical chairs and suddenly the

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music stops and a lot of these people won't have

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a chair or at least a similar place to sit

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that they have had in this show. So we think

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about them a lot as we talk about this. Not

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to be a downer, but our heart does go out

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to the people who work for this show. And this

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is happening too.

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It's interesting as times change, technology changes. I'll tell you

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a story from my own career. I started thinking about

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this more. I worked at WOR Radio in the nineties

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and into the outs and the morning show was the

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world's longest running radio show, Rambling with Gambling. It was

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started by John B. Gambling. He passed the show off

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to his son, John A. Gambling, and then I worked

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with John R.

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Gambling.

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This thing ran for seventy five years. I was John's

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producer for a while, and I remember at one point,

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being a punk kid in the twenties, being like, we

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should do this, we should do this, and John said

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the smartest thing. He said, We've been doing this a

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long time. It works, just keep doing that. And he

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was right. And then, for reasons that I won't bog

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down in here wor management decided to end the show.

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And then what happened post Rambling with Gambling was the

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station lost its identity because we were the Rambling with

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Gambling station, an AM radio station. So AM was dying,

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and AM was going to die no matter what you did.

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But it died more quickly. The station became less relevant

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more quickly without that anchor show, to the point where

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about ten years later they brought John Gambling back, who

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tagged his career with a few years back as the

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morning host. But you had broken the continuity. It wasn't

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rambling with Gambling was the John Gambling Show. Ten years

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had passed. Anybody who remembered the old thing was gone

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or ten years older, or perhaps even dead at sayam radio.

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So I come back to CBS. If you don't want

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to be in the eleven thirty game, fine, but who

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are we? So we're just football and CSIG and maybe

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that's okay. I don't know.

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Yeah, I don't know either. It's funny. One of the

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things on I Love Your Show again. Everybody out there

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in our world subscribed to the Day Comedy News podcast.

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It's so good because it is so short. Despite the

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content challenges you're having because there's just too much these days,

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it's so good. The sum ups and one of the

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of Comedy of the Day Comedy News of the Day.

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A few episodes ago, you talked about before Dave went

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on the Barbaragain show and officially commented. You talked about

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how telling the super cut was of Dave making fun

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of CBS the Tivity Network, and they released that Dave's

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what does Letterman Think? They released this thing on their

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YouTube channel, which is a compilation of Dave talking about

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CBS and the ups and downs over the years and

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making fun of that network. Obviously, he didn't make fun

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of CBS the way he made fun of NBC back

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in the day. And when it came to gigantic mess

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ups in late night, NBC certainly is the reigning champion

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when it comes to these things. But CBS now is

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joining them, and they're looking to say, oh, yeah, hold

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my beer, We'll show you what a real late night

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debacle looks like. Just the fact that we're watching this

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happen is I think you just nailed you hit the

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nail on the head. Rather in saying what is their identity?

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Because if they were the Tiffany network, I certainly see

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no resemblance of that now, although perhaps the cop shows

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the CSI shows now are the murder she wrote when

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Letterman came over, it was murder, she wrote, used to

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be the punchline back in the day. And is CBS

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the network for the older crowd whatever that is?

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This week they announced no joke murder she wrotes coming

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back with Jamie Lee Curtis. Okay, it's an actual adline. Yeah,

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So are you nostalgic?

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Are you? And why? My question is why wouldn't you

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want a late night show?

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Still?

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Back in the day, and again everything has changed, and

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I get it if we're watching it change, great. I'm

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glad Netflix is starting to figure trying to figure out,

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like Everybody's Live, everyone's talking about the we can talk

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about Everybody's Live. Actually that's something that we probably should

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talk about a little bit. But Netflix is trying to

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figure this out because clearly there is still an audience

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for this. They're just watching things differently than they did before.

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So the metrics, if we change the metrics, you're going

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to see that people still. People are up in arms

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about this Colbert thing. Two hundred and fifty thousand signatures

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on that on that petition in a very short period

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of time. There are people who still love this stuff.

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We're just watching things differently, and I hope the television

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networks can figure out a way to stay in existence,

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never mind relevant, to figure out a way to stay

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in existence and these types of shows. To me, there

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are still sitcoms out there that do well. They're nuanced.

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I think we need to do that with Late Night

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as well.

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We're coming up with Mike Chisholm from The Letterman Podcast

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Fantastic podcast. Listen to the one that came out doing

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math here August first July thirty first August first around.

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Then he had on Morty, who was Letterman's old producer.

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That was a great episode of the Letterman Podcast. They're

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all pretty good, but that one was particularly good. And

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more with Mike in about two minutes. I continue to

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think about why didn't they try and reinvent the wheel? Now?

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I don't know how long it takes to edit one

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of these things they tape around five thirty pm Eastern.

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Could you have thrown this up on Paramount Plus at

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eight o'clock? One of the cases on why Gutfeld is

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doing well? I see pointed out on threads. It's live

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at eight pm in Pacific time. It's not a late

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night show. It's a primetime show. Yeah, so what if

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you had kept the late show and don't worry about

456
00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:57.519
the name, It's just a name. But what if you

457
00:20:57.559 --> 00:21:01.119
had done Colbert at eight pm e on Paramount Plus,

458
00:21:01.200 --> 00:21:03.640
put something shiny on Paramount Plus and gotten the clips

459
00:21:03.640 --> 00:21:07.359
out there and then let's be real. Fox News loves

460
00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:10.400
to pull clips of the opposition and make fun of it.

461
00:21:10.519 --> 00:21:13.000
Oh you do the show quote unquote live at eight

462
00:21:13.279 --> 00:21:16.079
and then Sean Hannity can make fun of it at nine,

463
00:21:16.119 --> 00:21:18.200
maybe that was a situation you could have done. Why

464
00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:19.599
didn't they take a look at that? And then you

465
00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:22.039
run it at eleven thirty for the old people.

466
00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:24.839
Yeah, and again we're just all we're doing is just

467
00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:30.680
throwing potshots showing that the network made this decision half cocked,

468
00:21:31.279 --> 00:21:33.640
spur the moment, whatever you want to call it. Clearly,

469
00:21:34.119 --> 00:21:36.200
if they wanted to fight for the show, they could

470
00:21:36.200 --> 00:21:39.400
have fought for the show. That's got to be smarting

471
00:21:39.599 --> 00:21:42.119
on the egos or the feelings of the people who

472
00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:44.480
run this show. Really, at the end of the day,

473
00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:46.279
I don't know that Stephen Colbert when he started this

474
00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:49.960
show wanted to be the guy who opposed Donald Trump.

475
00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:52.599
I watched the first year and a half as they

476
00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:55.359
tried to find their identity. We got to remember when

477
00:21:55.400 --> 00:21:57.480
he slipped. He was number one, and then he slipped,

478
00:21:57.480 --> 00:21:59.759
and he slipped, and people were criticizing and then say, oh,

479
00:21:59.799 --> 00:22:02.359
maybe they should swap with Cordon and swap them. And

480
00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:04.920
there was all that stuff going on, and then Trump,

481
00:22:05.440 --> 00:22:07.519
and then I should say Stephen Colbert started pushing the

482
00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:11.680
pedal down towards Trump, and that's when he surged back up. Now,

483
00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:13.799
you've got a winning formula. Okay, so you've got a

484
00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:17.039
winning formula. Do we change that formula or not? Now

485
00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:20.079
it's turned into a typecast thing. It's like John Ritter

486
00:22:20.119 --> 00:22:22.599
walking around ar rest his soul and everyone calling him

487
00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:25.119
Jack Tripper because that's just who he is, or Michael Richards.

488
00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:28.599
He's now Kramer. Colbert is the leader of the Trump

489
00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:31.960
opposition in late night and he does it so well.

490
00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:36.319
That's the identity that he's created. I'm curious if he

491
00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:39.519
can create another identity and what's next for him. I

492
00:22:39.559 --> 00:22:42.480
think about Conan O'Brien back Circus time in nine oh

493
00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:46.279
ten and what that I would say three weeks did

494
00:22:46.599 --> 00:22:49.759
for Conan O'Brien. It was probably about three weeks total,

495
00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:52.319
maybe a month or two with the rumblings and then

496
00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:55.440
all that, but it was like three hardcore weeks of

497
00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:59.319
him getting a show taken away and then producing phenomenal

498
00:22:59.319 --> 00:23:01.519
Tonight show, him going on a live tour, becoming one

499
00:23:01.519 --> 00:23:03.920
of the biggest podcasters in the world. Never mind the

500
00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:05.400
fact that he's still got a late night show where

501
00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:07.440
he could do whatever he wanted afterwards, because he hadn't

502
00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:10.559
quite scratched that itch yet. What do you think. Do

503
00:23:10.599 --> 00:23:13.119
you have any thoughts as to what Colbert might do?

504
00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:14.680
Are have you thought about that at all?

505
00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:17.359
I tell you what I think the move is. I

506
00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:20.599
don't think he'll do it. I think if the Democrats

507
00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:22.640
aren't on the phone with him right now, I think

508
00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:25.880
they're making a mistake. Wow, he's sixty one years old,

509
00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:27.920
so he'd be sixty three sixty four at the time

510
00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:28.720
of the next election.

511
00:23:29.079 --> 00:23:29.279
Yep.

512
00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:32.960
He's well spoken, he's telegenic, he looks nice on camera,

513
00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:36.359
he can debate, he can speak. I feel like he

514
00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:40.039
could give an old style reagan esque and Reagan was

515
00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:42.759
a Republican, but a reagan Esque As a country, who

516
00:23:42.759 --> 00:23:44.880
do we want to be the shining city on the hill?

517
00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:48.119
This country can be great. And here's why. He's not

518
00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:51.799
a yeller. He's not a screamer. I think if the

519
00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:53.759
Democrats are not on the phone with him right now,

520
00:23:54.279 --> 00:23:56.799
I think, if the Democrats are not on the phone

521
00:23:56.880 --> 00:23:59.480
with my I used to produce David Plus's podcast pluf

522
00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:03.039
Friend the first Obama campaign. Yep, and tell Pluff, Hey,

523
00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:05.480
you can't sit on TV anymore taking shots. You got

524
00:24:05.480 --> 00:24:07.799
to work this time. I think, if the Democrats are

525
00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:10.039
on the phone with the pods have of America. Guys,

526
00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:12.920
go and get behind this, bros. I think Colbert would

527
00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:16.640
be a very interesting candidate. The people who don't like

528
00:24:16.759 --> 00:24:19.039
him already don't like him, so there's no loss there.

529
00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:21.519
I think he would appeal to the middle as just

530
00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:25.680
a decent human being who can speak and be calm.

531
00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:28.400
That's what I think he should do. What he will

532
00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:31.880
do on a podcast, I guess is that interesting though?

533
00:24:32.440 --> 00:24:35.000
It would be interesting. There's no question it would be interesting.

534
00:24:35.079 --> 00:24:38.240
You listen to them on Strikeforce. The Strikeforce five guys

535
00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:41.079
should all quit their shows and do something. One of

536
00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:44.799
our listeners suggested that to me, Yeah, that's the idea

537
00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:48.480
that he and Johnson. I imagine Stephen Colbert untethered again,

538
00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:51.119
because the one thing about Stephen Colbert that we've seen

539
00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:54.640
in the last ten years is he's been the statesman guy.

540
00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:57.559
He's been the guy who has looked at this as

541
00:24:57.640 --> 00:25:00.720
the Tiffany Network. I'm their late night signal, your host,

542
00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:03.559
and I have this all on my shoulders. I think

543
00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:06.640
that is the reason that he went with the winning formula.

544
00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:09.720
But really, at the end of the day, his mischief

545
00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:13.960
muscle has certainly it's not atrophied, but it hasn't been

546
00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:15.839
given the chance to flex the way that it can.

547
00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:19.720
I believe that this man is a very mischievous. He's

548
00:25:19.720 --> 00:25:21.200
got a lot of mischief in him. And like when

549
00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:22.640
you think back to his time when he was a

550
00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:25.599
correspondent on The Daily Show and some of the things

551
00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:27.839
that he would do, and then creating the Colbert Rapport,

552
00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:31.839
that guy went hard in the paint, created a character

553
00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:37.000
that who cares if half of the country thinks I'm

554
00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:41.160
actually this guy, which was the case. It's almost like

555
00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:43.640
pro wrestling, the footage showing of the good guy wrestler

556
00:25:43.640 --> 00:25:46.799
and the bad guy wrestler emerging. There's a video online

557
00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:48.960
showing where Colbert is behind the scenes of the Colbert

558
00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:51.200
Report saying, oh no, it's just a character. It's just

559
00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:54.240
a character, and he's talking like that, and people were dismayed.

560
00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:58.039
It was controversial. The guy commits to a bit and

561
00:25:58.359 --> 00:26:01.279
to the idea that he could untethered and can do

562
00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:05.599
something that is exciting to me. We just had at

563
00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:07.680
the time we're recording this, actually the episode dropped. We

564
00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:10.680
just had Uber producer Robert Morton, one of my favorite

565
00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:13.240
people on the planet. On a former executive producer of

566
00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:16.400
both Late Night and Late Show with David Letterman, and

567
00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:19.240
he's gone a different way. He thinks Colbert is gonna pivot.

568
00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:22.799
He thinks Colbert is gonna do Broadway and do at

569
00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:25.319
least a run or two on a Broadway show of

570
00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:28.200
some sort, because he's got those itches that he likes

571
00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:30.160
to scratch as well. I thought that was a very

572
00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:34.079
interesting idea that makes sense. Yep, it does. I think

573
00:26:34.119 --> 00:26:35.680
a lot of people would pay pay money to go

574
00:26:35.680 --> 00:26:37.519
see Stephen Colbert on Broadway. I certainly would.

575
00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:40.519
Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense, especially

576
00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:43.559
he's got the money, so the next gig, everything's always

577
00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:45.160
about the money, but it doesn't have to be about

578
00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:45.480
the money.

579
00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:50.119
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I think that. Yeah. And then the

580
00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:52.160
idea that I don't know. I don't know if John

581
00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:54.799
Stewart's days are numbered over there or not, and if

582
00:26:54.799 --> 00:26:57.000
they're just waiting to reload the gun before they start

583
00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:01.400
firing again. But the idea of Colbert Stewart doing something together,

584
00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:03.920
those two are a tour to force. And when they

585
00:27:04.119 --> 00:27:09.039
when they decide to do things together, the possibilities are endless.

586
00:27:09.519 --> 00:27:12.640
And again, when you take the shackles of network TV

587
00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:14.480
off somebody and give them the freedom to do that.

588
00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:16.519
So there's a part of me that wonders if I

589
00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:18.240
could ask Steven. I wonder if there's a part of

590
00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:21.720
him that's looking forward to this, and it's I think

591
00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:24.440
he the staff obviously is one of those things where

592
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:26.920
you know, I think Stephen Colbert has shown that how

593
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:28.519
much of a giving person he is. I've talked to

594
00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:30.000
people who are on the staff and they talk about

595
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:33.240
how he is as a boss, and the idea that

596
00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:36.319
it's out of his hands and all of this responsibility

597
00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:38.119
that is on his shoulders is suddenly going to be gone.

598
00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:40.240
It's going to be very interesting to see what happens.

599
00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:43.039
I'm curious if this is going to fatigue. I was

600
00:27:43.119 --> 00:27:45.799
I've been watching every night again and I haven't watched

601
00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:48.079
every night for a long time. A DV are them

602
00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:50.960
all but and I do all of them like I

603
00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:53.079
and in case something happens, I have it that way,

604
00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:56.759
I have it. But I've been watching all week and yes,

605
00:27:56.839 --> 00:27:59.720
he's still he's still dancing, He's but he's not throwing

606
00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:01.519
a lot of haymakers. And it's gonna be interesting to

607
00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:03.720
see if there's a fatigue over this next ten months

608
00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:06.359
with that, or if it can get to a fever

609
00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:09.440
pitch and it just crescendos, It's gonna be very interesting

610
00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:11.000
to see what the momentum of this looks like.

611
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:13.240
Now, not to give you a hard time, but I

612
00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:15.559
think you just illustrated the problem. Mister, host of the

613
00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:18.920
Letterman podcast, Letterman the former host of Late Show. You

614
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:21.720
weren't watching, Yeah, so why are we making this thing?

615
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:25.720
Yeah, it's a great point, and that I was talking

616
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:28.000
to the founder of latenighter dot com not too long

617
00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:31.359
ago about this, and it's funny. We the episode dropped

618
00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:34.920
the day of the Colbert announcement, and when we were talking,

619
00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:37.119
we were bullish about it. We were bullish about Late

620
00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:42.200
Night because SNL in SNL fifties season, it was the

621
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:44.359
most profitable year they ever had, and it was because

622
00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:45.920
they put a lot of thought into how they can

623
00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:48.559
be profitable, and it was partnerships with advertisers, and it

624
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:52.960
was different ways of being creatively profitable in all the

625
00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:55.839
positive ways, not the way the Mafia is creatively profitable.

626
00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:59.119
It was that thought could be put to Late Night,

627
00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:01.880
where you are doing what Seth Myers is doing. Yes,

628
00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:05.000
you're cutting the band, but you're also integrating products within

629
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:06.799
the show. You're doing other ways kind of like what

630
00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:09.880
you're talking about, what you talked about earlier. But yeah,

631
00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:11.960
is the medium changing and this is where we look

632
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:15.440
at Netflix and what they're doing. Did you liked Everybody's Live?

633
00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:15.680
Right?

634
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:16.480
You enjoyed it.

635
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:21.000
I liked Everybody's in LA. I did not like Everybody's Live.

636
00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:27.480
There was something wrong with that second series. I honestly

637
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:31.359
feel like it was misproduced, underproduced. Going to the callers,

638
00:29:31.480 --> 00:29:34.079
and that's the thing I know from doing talk radio.

639
00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:36.519
Don't let the inmates run the asylum. Don't let the

640
00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:39.880
civilians steer the show. I get the idea of the

641
00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:42.640
controlled chaos of let's just throw on. You know. Part

642
00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:47.839
of this is if if you ever booked David Letterman,

643
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:50.319
here's what you should do. Hi, Dave, thanks for doing

644
00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:53.359
the show, and then stop talking. You have David Letterman.

645
00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:57.200
Don't go Hey Dave. Frank from Chicago wants to say Hi,

646
00:29:57.319 --> 00:30:00.359
don't do that. Don't say This week, my I guests

647
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:02.920
here on the Letterman Podcast are David Letterman and a

648
00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:05.759
guy who owns a florist in Tampa. What are you doing?

649
00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:08.200
And so I think the show was all over the place.

650
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:10.960
I said, at the time, I didn't think it was working.

651
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:12.839
I quickly noticed, just because of what I do for

652
00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:16.000
a living. There wasn't really buzz on it. Outside of

653
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:18.519
the trades were writing about it, and the cool kid

654
00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:21.079
sites were writing about it, but the civilians weren't talking

655
00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:24.119
about it. And apparently it was getting five hundred thousand

656
00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:25.920
an episode. That's not a lot.

657
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:30.039
No, this is the other part, the unfortunate part I

658
00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:31.640
was on. I was just on the Greetings from the

659
00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:35.880
Idiot Box podcast and we talked about this earlier. Conan

660
00:30:35.960 --> 00:30:39.160
was given two years at NBC. He really was, and

661
00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:41.440
don't get me wrong, they were looking for the escape

662
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:44.599
pods along the way. They were renewing him for thirteen

663
00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:46.319
weeks at a time and all that, and that two

664
00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:50.440
years could have easily been truncated and cut short. But

665
00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:53.599
he was given two years, and then he became Conan

666
00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:56.920
O'Brien like he was given that time to do that.

667
00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:01.319
Now Netflix does have the time, patient's money to give

668
00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:04.720
somebody time to find their footing. The thing about the

669
00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:07.240
second season, and you and I are in disagreement about that,

670
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:10.240
Like I loved the second season of Everybody's Life, every

671
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:12.960
single time there was a cringe worthy moment. Everything you're

672
00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:15.000
just talking about was some of the stuff that I loved.

673
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:17.680
You have this person call in and they're trying to

674
00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:20.480
turn they're trying to turn it into something, and if

675
00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:22.119
they can't turn it into something, they're just kind of

676
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:24.960
looking around and it's awkward, and it's I don't think

677
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:27.640
that there's enough of that these days, I think. And

678
00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:29.599
it's because I was raised on it. I loved The

679
00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:32.720
Office because it gave me the same vibes that early

680
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:35.599
lettermen did when they had some of these awkward moments.

681
00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:39.400
The show. The thing about it was clearly a lot

682
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:43.279
of time, effort, thought was put into it. Compared to

683
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:46.680
Everybody's in La, which was during the Netflix as a

684
00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:49.519
Joke Comedy Festival, and there was a lot of spontaneity

685
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:52.240
to it. This one here had running jokes throughout the

686
00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:54.519
whole season, like building up to the kids fighting in

687
00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:58.359
the bone thugs and harm anything was to me was

688
00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:01.200
very funny, the through line of that through running through it.

689
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:04.440
But and then also some of the produced pieces. Some

690
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:07.039
of the produced pieces I thought were missus, no question

691
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:10.559
about that. But the awkwardness on the show, the chaos

692
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:13.680
of the multiple guests, and yes, you're throwing enough to me.

693
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:17.960
We've got alchemy here that could be mixed into a

694
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:22.720
pretty good potion if given the time space allowance to

695
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:27.000
do that. My question is, is everything I've heard of

696
00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:30.559
how hard everybody worked on this second season to do this.

697
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:34.720
I'm curious if mulaney is a guy who has the

698
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:39.039
Letterman Leno Colbert gene or if he has the Chevy

699
00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:42.160
Chase Pat Sajack gene and he now knows that, he

700
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:44.039
now knows the work ethic that it takes to make

701
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:46.400
a show like this work. Does he want to do

702
00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:48.640
that or did he scratch an edge? And that's the

703
00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:51.000
question I more want to ask, And if he still

704
00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:52.759
wants to do it and commit to it, I hope

705
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:55.400
Netflix gives him the opportunity to retool it how it

706
00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:57.440
needs to be so it can have that cone and effect.

707
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:00.680
Next year, Netflix will do the Comedy of All again.

708
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:03.200
They've been doing it every two years. Yep, so you

709
00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:06.279
do it in la and again. Hey, welcome to everybody's

710
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:08.759
whatever we're calling at this time. And my guests tonight

711
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:15.279
are Nicki Glazer, Shane Gillis and the earthquake expert and Again,

712
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:17.519
I'm not saying I'm talented, but if you spot me

713
00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:19.799
Shane Gillis and Nicki Glazer, all I really have to

714
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:22.119
do is go hey, Shane and shut up and let

715
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:24.480
him do a Trump impression, and we're halfway there.

716
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:27.599
Yeah. True. The other thing I want to note about

717
00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:32.039
that show is there was clearly somebody, whether it was

718
00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:35.960
the EP or whether it was John himself, clearly had

719
00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:39.880
a nostalgic value for music. And that's one the other

720
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:41.359
thing I love about the show, and the thing about

721
00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:44.119
network late night television shows, is music was becoming the

722
00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:45.640
bane of the existence. They put them at the very

723
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:48.039
end of the show. Many times they weren't even including

724
00:33:48.279 --> 00:33:49.920
when they were looking at the ratings. They weren't even

725
00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:53.319
inclusing the musical act and whatnot, because of the business

726
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:56.119
of television and how that works. But at the same time,

727
00:33:56.440 --> 00:33:59.240
you have a host here, clearly who has a very

728
00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:01.799
having a lot us more set on there. As an example,

729
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:03.839
that's one of the examples that I have there. A

730
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:06.880
lot of the millennials, gen Z's millennials maybe, but gen

731
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:10.039
Z certainly they don't realize that when that album came out,

732
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:13.079
it crushed the continent. For the entire song the world

733
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:15.760
in fact, for the entire summer, and the idea that

734
00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:18.320
they're having some of these people on there, to me

735
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:20.360
is a bit of a flashback to some of the

736
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:22.599
musical acts Late Night with David Letterman would have on

737
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:25.360
old acts that were really big but hadn't been around

738
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:28.559
for a long time. And let's celebrate with these people

739
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:30.400
and let's see what's going on, and sometimes we can

740
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:33.960
shine up that penny again where it's glistening and blinding

741
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:36.000
you in the sun. I love that they did that.

742
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:38.159
Like I said, they had a lot of cool ingredients

743
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:41.920
that they used, and you're right if the puck is

744
00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:46.519
going in that direction. Anyway, Netflix is moving towards so

745
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:48.400
much comedy. Morty and I talked about this on the

746
00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:50.800
episode of the show. He thinks that they should buy

747
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:53.760
the Ed Sullivan Theater. They could use it for comedy specials.

748
00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:55.800
They can use it for all sorts of stuff. Maybe

749
00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:57.679
you put John Malady in there when he's going to

750
00:34:57.719 --> 00:34:59.760
do a run of shows. Maybe you bring Stephen Colbert

751
00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:02.119
on special every now and then, that kind of a thing.

752
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:05.199
It certainly seems that Netflix is embracing this type of

753
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:08.039
stuff where the network television. Just because the medium is changing,

754
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:10.199
they're losing out on these things. That's what it appears

755
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:10.400
to be.

756
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:12.639
So what you're getting at And when I was at

757
00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:15.519
Sirius XM, we really played this card. And I'll also

758
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:18.000
tied into what I brought up earlier about as CBS,

759
00:35:18.039 --> 00:35:18.800
who do we want to be?

760
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:19.400
As Fox?

761
00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:21.559
Who do we want to be? You're talking about the

762
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:24.199
cool party to be at? So if we're in Netflix,

763
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:27.639
hey we have this cool John Mullaney show. You don't

764
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:29.400
need to know the viewing figures. It's cool.

765
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:30.400
Yeah, it's cool.

766
00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:33.639
We have football, we have wrestling, we have cool movies.

767
00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:35.920
We have Happy Gilmore too, even though Johnny Mack thinks

768
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:38.519
it's terrible. We have all these things that people like.

769
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:40.639
It's a cool party to be at. Now what and

770
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:42.599
we ran this playbook at serious. What that allows you

771
00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:44.280
to do is you get to go to the other

772
00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:46.159
cool kids who are going to be like, who else

773
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:48.119
is at the party? Oh? Yeah, no, we do the

774
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:49.880
Millenni show. We let him do whatever he wants. We'd

775
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:52.000
love to be in business with you. Mike. Talk to

776
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:54.400
John He'll tell you we don't interfere. It's just we're

777
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:56.559
creatives and we get it and we want you to

778
00:35:56.599 --> 00:35:58.400
do your thing. Mike's I want you sign up with us.

779
00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:00.480
And now another cool person is at the cool party.

780
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:04.280
And so there is value to doing that mulleni show.

781
00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:06.920
And again in twenty six, just go to the comedy festival,

782
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:09.480
book eight Listers and do seven days like you did

783
00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:13.000
two years ago, and yep, that show will suddenly seem

784
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:14.280
like it's found its footing.

785
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:16.800
That's where I see it going. And just we talk

786
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:19.599
about the idea that CBS could have gotten creative with

787
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:22.119
solutions for Colbert if they truly wanted him. This is

788
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:25.360
where it feels like they truly didn't want him. I

789
00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:29.119
believe that Netflix truly wants John mulaney and his immense

790
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:31.679
talent all over the place. My gosh, we just watched

791
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:34.480
season four of The Bear and his acting ability. He

792
00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:37.559
made a cameo again in one of those episodes. Insanely

793
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:41.519
talented guy, And I believe you look at the way

794
00:36:41.559 --> 00:36:44.599
that Dave talks about how he's treated at Netflix, and

795
00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:46.679
he can do whatever he wants. I feel like, if

796
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:49.360
you wanted to do twenty my Next Guests in a year,

797
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:51.760
they would let him do it. But he wants to

798
00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:53.559
do a handful of them, so they let him do it.

799
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:59.159
And like you just said, nurturing the creative muscles, that

800
00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:02.760
that's what creative dream. That they can have a scenario,

801
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:04.440
a sandbox that they can play in where they can

802
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:07.239
just make whatever they want in there. And I think

803
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:10.639
Netflix is extremely intelligent in how they're doing that. The

804
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:14.320
playbook that they've created is it's astounding, it really is.

805
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:16.519
And I hope it comes back whatever it looks like.

806
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:18.400
I do hope it comes back because of exactly what

807
00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:21.159
you just said. The alternative music section may have been

808
00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:23.280
the smallest in the music store, but that was the

809
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:25.000
section I went to and that's what kept me coming

810
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:26.599
back to the store back in the day. Yeah, I

811
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:27.679
think you're probably right.

812
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:31.119
Also, as Millennia ages and his children age, I don't

813
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:33.199
think he's tired of the road yet. But a mini

814
00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:35.559
artists reach the point of whether it's a Las Vegas

815
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:40.199
residency or just taking a break. Hey, John, here's thirty

816
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:42.679
weeks of steady work at a good paycheck and you

817
00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:45.519
can just show up on Wednesdays in Los Angeles. And no,

818
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:47.199
they don't just put the show together in an hour.

819
00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:50.159
But no, but he could be home every night with

820
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:53.639
the wife and kids and not have to tour and

821
00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:55.599
make a good living. That could appeal to him.

822
00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:57.840
I totally agree with that, and I think it also

823
00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:00.559
the sensibility of the fact that you look at the

824
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:04.320
British television model for a long time. The original Office

825
00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:07.159
had what eleven episodes, twelve episodes with a special something

826
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:09.360
like that, right they had. They didn't call them seasons,

827
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:12.199
they were series and I think that there's appeal to

828
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:15.239
that as opposed to the daunting twenty one to twenty

829
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:19.159
five episode sitcom season where it's grueling. I do think

830
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:21.000
that you're exactly right, that is where the puck is

831
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:23.119
going and if that's what they're going to cater to,

832
00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:25.480
Mulany is a great guy to do that with, and

833
00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:27.920
they're doing that with so many different people. And again,

834
00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:31.719
comedy like is Netflix, you would be a better you'd

835
00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:33.599
have a good knowledge on this is Netflix. The place

836
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:35.599
that has the most specials is that the platform right

837
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:38.159
now that has the most stand up comedy is Hulu.

838
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:39.880
Even in the picture where are we.

839
00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:41.280
From, Wholu's doing one a month?

840
00:38:41.719 --> 00:38:41.920
Who?

841
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:45.880
Okay, they're positioned as a curated one a month. Netflix

842
00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:49.119
has most often a new special on Tuesday, but not

843
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:53.280
every Tuesday. Usually there's a new one. Amazon's somewhere in between.

844
00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:56.800
We'll talk about this some other day. To find special.

845
00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:59.239
Because everybody's recording a set at the Chuckle Hut and

846
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:00.920
putting it up on youtub. You've been saying, Hey, check

847
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:03.559
out my new special. It's not a special, it's an

848
00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:04.840
hour and whatever.

849
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:05.320
Yeah.

850
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:08.000
But in terms of things that us oldies would consider

851
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:11.679
sons of whatever HBO used to do thirty years ago,

852
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:14.559
Netflix has the most there. The paychecks are not what

853
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:18.239
they were ten years ago. There was crazy money for

854
00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:21.159
a while, but the exposure's good. And this was another

855
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:24.800
thing we saw at Sirius. At first the comedians were like, eh,

856
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:26.440
I don't know, and then they realized their name was

857
00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:28.400
getting out there and they were selling a ton of tickets.

858
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:30.800
If you are a known commodity because you had a

859
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:33.320
Netflix special, that's good for your career. And wreth Mike

860
00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:35.440
at about two minutes we get into live comedy on

861
00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:38.480
Netflix and how Deeve might react to all of this.

862
00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:42.760
It's funny. Then I can tell that I'm becoming an

863
00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:45.199
old man more and more every single day because I

864
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:48.159
think about the things that my father and his friends.

865
00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:51.280
There was an autobody shop like sitcom could have been shot.

866
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:53.039
And what I'm about to say, my father would hang

867
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:55.239
out with this autobody shop and at ten fifteen in

868
00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:57.360
the morning every day it would be coffee time and

869
00:39:57.400 --> 00:39:59.440
they'd go into the coffee room inside this autobody shop

870
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:02.159
and you'd listen to these characters talk about the old

871
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:04.000
days when it came to music, when it came to movies,

872
00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:05.880
when it came to all of these things and how.

873
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:09.239
And I'm becoming that now, sure, But I feel like

874
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:12.280
I'm becoming that because I'm the thing that I had

875
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:15.800
as a backbone. Almost network television is a backbone to me,

876
00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:19.440
and it's going away. It's clearly going away. I don't

877
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:21.840
believe CBS is, by the way, going to give eleven

878
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:24.840
thirty back to the affiliates. Let's face it, they're gonna

879
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:26.639
They're gonna land on their feet. It is gonna be

880
00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:29.320
profitable for them. I don't think it's dead yet. But

881
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:33.639
you just brought up the HBO comedy special or special

882
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:36.119
on HBO that was almost a sacred thing back in

883
00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:37.599
the day when a comic would be able to go

884
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:40.239
up like I think about Chris Rock special on HBO

885
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:42.239
that was such a major thing, and now it's become

886
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:46.320
pop music and there are these specials all over the place.

887
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:49.199
I do believe Netflix is handling it well. I'm curious

888
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:52.199
what you think about the idea of Okay, if a

889
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:54.719
special is no longer a special, it's now a featured

890
00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:56.800
hour or whatever you want to call it, is the

891
00:40:56.840 --> 00:41:00.480
next frontier, And it seems like Netflix is starting to

892
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:03.639
master this. Now is the next frontier? A stand up

893
00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:05.760
going up and doing a live special. Rogan did it,

894
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:07.599
which I give him all the credit in the world

895
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:10.480
for doing. Is that gonna be the next jump up

896
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:13.239
and the next echelon of comic? Oh yeah, okay, yeah,

897
00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:14.960
you think you could do? That? Was an hour shot

898
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.679
over three days, wearing the same clothes and three shots

899
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:20.840
whatnot edited. Let's do it live? Is that? Do you

900
00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:21.800
think that's where the puck.

901
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:24.159
Might be going when it comes to cost because live

902
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:26.119
is an event. Here, let me give you a premise.

903
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:29.119
Stephen Colbert is going live on Netflix Saturday night at

904
00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:31.599
ten pm. You're gonna watch Now, you could watch Stephen

905
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:34.920
Colbert five nights a week. Whatever he's gonna say but oh,

906
00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:39.039
Saturday night at ten live. Yep, it's somehow more dangerous, right,

907
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:39.960
what's he gonna say?

908
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:43.920
Yep? I totally agree with that. I liked Rogan's live special.

909
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:46.719
I think a couple of his previous specials were probably

910
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:48.400
tighter and better and went up, but they weren't live.

911
00:41:48.679 --> 00:41:50.960
And the fact that he walked that high wire. Act

912
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:53.239
that walked that high wire, I should say and did it.

913
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:56.960
Anytime Colbert did The Late Show live, I always thought

914
00:41:56.960 --> 00:41:59.599
it was a better it was a better presentation. There's

915
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:03.400
an electricity that's there, and the event is that's the

916
00:42:03.400 --> 00:42:05.920
only thing that's getting people to get organized is when

917
00:42:05.960 --> 00:42:09.000
things are an event. Yeah, yeah, I'm with you on that.

918
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:11.719
I want to talk about the Letterman of this all.

919
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:12.480
Dave.

920
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:16.280
Dave is not Johnny. Johnny went quietly into the night.

921
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:21.679
Dave is still around. I could see if I'm Jimmy Kimmel,

922
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:23.920
I'm asking Dave to do a guest spot, and I

923
00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:25.960
know what that conversation would be like, and it will

924
00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:27.800
be feistying, and it will get news pickup and I

925
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:31.119
won't be surprised at all if it happens. I imagine

926
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:33.679
David Letterman will be one of the final if not

927
00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:37.119
the final guests on the Colbert era Late Show. And

928
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:40.599
again Johnny was happy to just be like, Okay, that happened,

929
00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:42.519
and I'm not really going to talk about it. But

930
00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:45.480
Dave will throw a rock. He doesn't throw a ton

931
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:47.840
of rocks, but he'll throw one really good rock.

932
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:50.920
I think that's a good, really good analogy. Like it's

933
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:53.480
summertime and Dave's in vacation mode, but yet he still

934
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:55.119
did take the time to shoot an episode of The

935
00:42:55.119 --> 00:42:57.599
Barber Game Show, which I don't believe he's ever done,

936
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:00.360
and in the summertime like this before to talk about it,

937
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:05.000
he in that interview or that that conversation he talked

938
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:07.119
about going and kissing the ring he talked about he

939
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:10.320
alluded to it already. Every time he opens its mouth.

940
00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:13.039
It's going to be really interesting. I would love to

941
00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:17.280
ask him. I don't think Dave's particularly nostalgic about the

942
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:21.400
franchise that he created, but at the same time, I

943
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:23.920
know other people are. There are a lot of people

944
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:27.159
in the Letterman world who worked for Late Show that

945
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:31.400
the idea this franchise is going away, this franchise that

946
00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:35.639
they busted their ass to build to compete against the

947
00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:39.760
Tonight show is going away is extremely emotional for a

948
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:42.679
lot of these people. And I say a lot, a handful.

949
00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:44.360
I've talked to a handful of them between five and

950
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:47.599
ten at length about it. And Dave is a cat.

951
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:50.880
He's an interesting cat, a different one. I do believe

952
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:55.960
that he also doesn't like injustice. You think about Dave

953
00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:58.760
when he talked about during the Conan again the last

954
00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:01.079
Circus time oh nine oh ten and some of the

955
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:05.559
most interesting Letterman to watch was that era, and just

956
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:07.800
every single night just commenting on the events of the

957
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:10.199
day of what NBC was doing with Conan and Leno

958
00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:13.800
and all of that stuff. You know that muscle is

959
00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:16.360
sitting there with him. So if it's a one rock, okay,

960
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:18.639
it's gonna be a hell of a rock. But then

961
00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:22.639
there's that part of him that you wonder if CBS

962
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:26.199
flips that switch in Dave and he's just gonna want

963
00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:27.800
to talk more and more about it. I believe that

964
00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:30.199
he will have many venues to do that because all

965
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:32.679
the talk show hosts are happy there's Strikeforce five now.

966
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:35.719
He will have many places to do that whenever he wants,

967
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:38.599
including on his YouTube channel. It's gonna be very interesting

968
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:41.199
to see this fall when they get to a more

969
00:44:41.320 --> 00:44:45.880
regular recording schedule of the Barbara Gains Show on the

970
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:48.599
Letterman YouTube channel. It's going to be very interesting to

971
00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:51.559
see how often he comments on it. And my flat

972
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:53.440
out say this, I hope it's gonna be like it

973
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:56.559
was with Conan and Leno. If every week we get

974
00:44:56.639 --> 00:45:00.320
Letterman going off with Mary and Barbara about this and

975
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:03.480
just throwing throwing these rocks, like you say, oh, that

976
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:05.000
would be so much fun. And there's a part of

977
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:07.119
me that thinks that's exactly what's gonna happen and is

978
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:07.800
hoping for it.

979
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:11.440
I find myself this week feeling bad for Jay Leno.

980
00:45:11.480 --> 00:45:13.480
I know, Jay Leno is the worst person who ever

981
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:16.800
lived in the history of human kind, because somebody offered

982
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:19.079
him his job back and he said yes. I understand

983
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:21.440
that he's just a terrible human being. But he is

984
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:26.079
catching so much grief this week for the comments he made.

985
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:28.000
Before before the announcement.

986
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:32.239
Yes, yes they surfaced after, but he made us before

987
00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:36.440
tie this into Jimmy Fallon. Jimmy Fallon catches a lot

988
00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:39.280
of grief. Jimmy Fallon can do a lot more than

989
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:43.599
Jimmy Fallon currently does. But Jimmy Fallon understands the gig.

990
00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:47.320
You're hosting the Tonight Show. That's what the gig is.

991
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:50.760
You're not guest hosting the Howard Stern Show. You're hosting

992
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:51.599
the Tonight Show.

993
00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:52.119
That's right.

994
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:56.719
Jimmy Fallon runs the formula. Jay Leno ran the formula

995
00:45:56.920 --> 00:46:01.599
very successfully. Apparently America found Conan O'Brien a little too

996
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:04.719
weird for the Tonight Show. They like him as Conan O'Brien,

997
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:07.519
they liked him as the son of David Letterman, but

998
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:11.559
they didn't like him at eleven thirty Well discussed was

999
00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:14.639
NBC too quick all that whatever? Yep, but Jay Leno

1000
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:19.440
understood the formula. So his comments about not splitting the audience,

1001
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:23.519
there's some merit to that, we can debate it. But

1002
00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:26.559
the amount of grief he's catching for those comments, I

1003
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:29.599
just think is just crazy. I'll let you go and

1004
00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:32.719
then I have a notion that's going to make me unpopular,

1005
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:35.159
but I'll let you address the one I'll think that

1006
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:35.880
i've hijacked.

1007
00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:38.599
Yeah this is good, and yeah it's not like it

1008
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:44.239
wasn't consistent. I can point to many interviews and conversations

1009
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:47.599
that Jay Leno has had with many different people. Rogan,

1010
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:49.639
his appearents on Rogan, is one of them. For sure,

1011
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:51.519
that's the one that comes out, I believe when he

1012
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:54.360
talked with Bill Maher. Also there's I believe a conversation

1013
00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:57.039
with Howie Mandel where these are recent, more recent ones,

1014
00:46:57.039 --> 00:46:59.280
but he's talked about it for years. It was a

1015
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:02.480
Carson formed. You didn't know Johnny's politics. It was a

1016
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:05.800
reason why Carson was differentiated from and some would say

1017
00:47:05.800 --> 00:47:09.280
why maybe perhaps a guy like Dick Cavett didn't make

1018
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:12.679
the inroads that he could have made because you knew

1019
00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:18.039
Dick Cavit's politics in many respects, right, Leno firmly believe

1020
00:47:18.119 --> 00:47:20.320
you don't want to isolate half the audience. You don't

1021
00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:22.000
want to piss him off. If you're going to make

1022
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:24.400
fun of a politician, you do it equally, and the

1023
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:28.199
goal is to not know what their politics are. Leno

1024
00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:32.360
has said this forever. It was his it was his

1025
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:35.199
mo It's the reason he was pop music. It's the

1026
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:37.960
reason why the Tonight Show, in my opinion, with Leno,

1027
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:42.599
Helmingtt beat David Letterman mostly in the run in the

1028
00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:46.320
in the ratings was because of that. That's his and

1029
00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:49.199
now he's in his seventies and he's just saying the

1030
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:52.360
same thing that he's always said. But for whatever reason,

1031
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:54.599
in this time and place, he's being as far as

1032
00:47:54.639 --> 00:48:00.360
i'm concerned, unfairly unfairly judged about that, because he's got

1033
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:03.280
a point. If you're talking about if you're Jerry Seinfeld

1034
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:06.320
and you're talking about ovaltine or you're talking about chocolate

1035
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:08.400
covered raisins and that's what you're talking about, you're not

1036
00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:12.360
really pissing anybody off. And if that's the goal, you

1037
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:14.559
want to stay away from politics and you don't want

1038
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:16.920
people to know what they are. So the part that

1039
00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:21.159
is ridiculous to me is he's being consistent and now

1040
00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:23.239
being raked over the calls for consistency.

1041
00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:27.920
Yeah, Jay played to Middle America, I'll call it, and

1042
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:31.800
cranky Dave played on the edges and some of us

1043
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:35.480
I'm cranky and I'm from New York City, so I'm

1044
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:38.639
over here with Dave calling hogwash to things we see

1045
00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:40.840
as hogwash. And Jay played to the middle and did

1046
00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:43.960
the hey just see this thing? But that was the gig.

1047
00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:44.400
Yes.

1048
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:48.079
I saw an article this week claiming Jay was clearly

1049
00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:50.519
right wing because of who he made fun of or not.

1050
00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:53.639
I reacted to that. So if we look at the presidents,

1051
00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:57.039
if we just head backwards, whatever your politics are, Trump

1052
00:48:57.079 --> 00:48:59.559
is a character. There are clearly things you can have

1053
00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:02.159
fun with as a comedian. There are things you can

1054
00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:05.840
have fun with. Biden not so much. He wasn't a

1055
00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:08.119
fun character to take out for a drive on SNL.

1056
00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:10.320
What are you gonna do? We wear sunglasses and maybe

1057
00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:13.960
you make old jokes. It's not that much fun. Obama

1058
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:16.159
there wasn't that much to make fun of. Nobody really

1059
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:20.719
ever nailed a definitive Obama impression because, again, whatever your

1060
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:24.559
politics were, he was from a presidential standpoint cool because

1061
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:26.480
he just wasn't an eighty year old guy. So there

1062
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:30.880
wasn't much to make fun of. Yep, George w he

1063
00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:34.480
would misspeak, there was something to grab onto. Dana Carvey

1064
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:38.559
figured out how to do George H. Bill Clinton fun character,

1065
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:42.400
and Jay is catching. I think some revisionist history grief

1066
00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:47.920
about Lewinsky jokes, and we should feel bad for an

1067
00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:50.880
intern who has taken advantage of absolutely, I just want

1068
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:53.719
to put that out there totally. But the Bill Clinton

1069
00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:57.039
jokes were about this guy that's clearly cheating on his

1070
00:49:57.079 --> 00:49:59.960
wife and pretending he's not and Hillary's gonna kill him,

1071
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:03.960
and that it was the married husband got caught, Yes,

1072
00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:09.119
humor not the preying on the innocent intern part of it.

1073
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:12.119
And I think that has gotten conflated over the years

1074
00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:14.239
that I've seen a lot of this week of Jay

1075
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:17.840
Leno made Lewinsky jokes. Jay Leno made Bill Clinton jokes,

1076
00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:18.599
if that makes sense.

1077
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:22.840
Yeah, and like Letterman called Clinton Bubba like, it wasn't

1078
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:25.920
just Lewinsky jokes either, it was also McDonald's jokes and

1079
00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:29.559
other Yeah, it was because, yeah, Clinton was a character.

1080
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:32.079
The Phil Hartman impression of him on Saturday Night Live

1081
00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:35.360
accentuated all of all everything that you're talking about. And

1082
00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:37.360
this is what the late night guys we're talking about. Yeah,

1083
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:41.320
it's so funny. The idea of trying to as you

1084
00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:43.400
were talking about that, I'm going back in the way

1085
00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:46.920
back machine of my mind and going, okay, yeah, what

1086
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:49.920
were what do you think Leonard's politics were? I could

1087
00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:51.840
have seen he made fun of everybody equally. There's no

1088
00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:54.880
question about that. Back then, if there was a scandal

1089
00:50:54.920 --> 00:50:57.800
of any sort, you could make fun of them. And

1090
00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:01.000
the collateral damage was not taken in consideration in the

1091
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:03.639
same way that it is today. The idea that people

1092
00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:06.000
are saying, oh, he was clearly right wing because of

1093
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:09.559
Lewinsky jokes, in my mind clearly weren't there at the

1094
00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:12.239
time and place. And they're taking things completely out of context,

1095
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:16.599
which is the mo for in my mind, a very

1096
00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:21.599
vocal but silly minority out you give the megaphone to some,

1097
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:24.920
if you give the megaphone to ignorance, a lot of

1098
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:26.719
silly things are going to be said. And to me,

1099
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:29.320
that's just ignorance, and not even in a malicious way.

1100
00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:32.280
It's a lack of knowledge. It's taking today's standards and

1101
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:35.559
putting them back into a time and place where those

1102
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:39.199
standards weren't even a consideration at that time. And I

1103
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:42.360
love the fact, by the way that you have people

1104
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:48.360
who have made apologetic remarks or shown regret for making jokes,

1105
00:51:48.360 --> 00:51:52.679
particularly about Monica Lewinsky. I've heard many people comedians and

1106
00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:54.920
talk about the idea that you know what, yeah, we

1107
00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:57.840
used her as a pinata because it was an easy joke,

1108
00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:01.679
but really time place, if it was today, we wouldn't

1109
00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:04.639
do that. So I love that there is thoughtfulness about that,

1110
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:07.840
but to say that was Leno's politics because of that,

1111
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:10.519
you know, everybody was making fun of Clinton at the time.

1112
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:14.360
In fact, it shows to me that that pop culture

1113
00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:16.920
and entertainment is able to make fun of both a

1114
00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:19.119
Democrat and a Republican. Okay, you think they're making fun

1115
00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:22.199
of Trump right now, they made Everybody was making fun

1116
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:25.559
of Clinton back then. He was a punchline all the time.

1117
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:27.760
And I think that's a great point. Like it's I

1118
00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:30.480
don't think the comparison is there because Trump is more

1119
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:34.039
of a gregarious character than Clinton was and he and

1120
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:36.840
Trump welcomes it. Talk about the pro wrestling things. He's

1121
00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:38.960
trying to get heat. I don't think Clinton was trying

1122
00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:43.559
to get heat. But the media was not afraid to

1123
00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:45.239
make fun of Bill Clinton back in the day. So

1124
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:47.000
it's a great discussion point to compare the two.

1125
00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:49.880
Actually, and they'll make fun of the next president, And

1126
00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:54.920
if the president's persona has more room for comedic fodder,

1127
00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:57.039
they'll make more fun of them. And if it's not

1128
00:52:57.079 --> 00:52:59.199
a good target or whatever the news of the day

1129
00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:03.039
on that day is, they'll make fun of that. At

1130
00:53:03.039 --> 00:53:05.679
some point. There's a rhythm to comedy and I'll get

1131
00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:07.760
back to just understanding what the gig is. So if

1132
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:11.800
you're hosting an eleven thirty show, you're commenting on the

1133
00:53:11.840 --> 00:53:14.239
news of the day, and you're playing to the water cooler,

1134
00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:17.519
and the joke has to go down the middle. You

1135
00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:19.679
can't set up like, hey, my guad, so this thing

1136
00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:21.159
happened in the news, let me explain it to you,

1137
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:22.920
and here's a joke. Can't do that. You just have

1138
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:25.119
to go right down the middle with Hey, just see

1139
00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:29.280
the tsunami warning the other day. Punchline right, yep, straight forward.

1140
00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:33.320
The Great Bob Hope. Now Bob Hope aligned himself in

1141
00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:36.719
real life with Republican presidents. Bob Hope, if you go

1142
00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:39.079
back and look at the body of work made fun

1143
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:42.719
of all the presidents, whoever the president was, the jester

1144
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:45.639
made fun of you. Hope had a rhythm to I

1145
00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:49.039
like listening to his old material. And because the structure

1146
00:53:49.079 --> 00:53:52.000
of the joke is solid, you can follow along even

1147
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:54.119
if you don't know the particular to do a poor

1148
00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:57.320
man's Bob Hope style joke. It's great to be here

1149
00:53:57.320 --> 00:54:00.000
at a Bigillicutti Air Force base, and I saw General

1150
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:02.599
Johnson just went for one of the free hot dogs. Now,

1151
00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:04.559
I don't know why that's funny, but Hope would make

1152
00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:06.039
it funny and you'd be like, oh, I guess General

1153
00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:08.079
Johnson likes his hot dogs or whatever the joke was.

1154
00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:09.760
But the soldiers would laugh at it, and it was

1155
00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:11.840
a rhythm to it. And if you go back and listen,

1156
00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:14.800
he tells a variation of that joke over and over.

1157
00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:16.679
Just replace the details. He it's great to be here

1158
00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:20.880
in Ohio, Governor Smith a punchline. And if you're hosting

1159
00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:25.599
eleven thirty, the news is Bill Clinton's affairs. If the

1160
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:28.639
joke the same article I had a problem with was

1161
00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:31.559
giving Leno grief from making fun of the woman in

1162
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:35.519
the McDonald's hot coffee lawsuit. Yep, no one wants an

1163
00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:38.079
old woman to be burned. Of course, not Jay Leno

1164
00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:41.119
didn't want a woman to be injured. But the joke

1165
00:54:41.320 --> 00:54:44.039
is I just say this, did you not know coffee's hot?

1166
00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:49.039
That's the joke, Yes, exactly, exactly. It's the foibles of

1167
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:53.840
human nature, and that's exactly right. I do like that

1168
00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:57.480
we have a thoughtfulness in our culture now that perhaps

1169
00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:00.480
didn't exist back then. I do believe the has been

1170
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:02.400
thrown out with the bathwater when it comes to this stuff.

1171
00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:05.039
Many times, there are so many things that we can

1172
00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:08.119
make fun of Jay Leno about. This is one thing that,

1173
00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:11.079
in my opinion, is not worth making fun about when

1174
00:55:11.079 --> 00:55:12.599
there's so many other things that we can make fun

1175
00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:13.119
about him for.

1176
00:55:13.400 --> 00:55:15.199
And we'll take one more break here. Yeah, a lot

1177
00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:17.199
of Briggs today, I get it. We'll come back and

1178
00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:19.480
we'll talk a little about Seth Myers.

1179
00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:22.199
Is there anything else that we need to do? We

1180
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:23.199
miss anything before we?

1181
00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:26.239
Uh know? I sort of want to talk about Seth Myers,

1182
00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:28.280
but I don't really have anything to say about it,

1183
00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:31.800
and I think that's my point. I like his comedy special,

1184
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:34.639
seems like a cool dude to hang out with. Whereas

1185
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:38.840
I feel like Jimmy Fallon is hosting Jack Parr's show.

1186
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:42.840
I don't feel like Seth Myers is hosting David Letterman show.

1187
00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:46.719
Conan did Fallon might have, but I just feel it

1188
00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:49.239
has the same name and it's on twelve thirty, and

1189
00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:53.519
I don't feel like it has any cultural impact. Again,

1190
00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:56.760
I don't dislike Seth Myers, but I have said that

1191
00:55:56.800 --> 00:55:59.920
phrase cultural impact on my program many times. It's just

1192
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:03.559
this weird thing that exists to me that I don't

1193
00:56:03.559 --> 00:56:05.119
know why it exists.

1194
00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:09.400
It exists to give us Wally Ferrostine. That's why. That's why,

1195
00:56:09.559 --> 00:56:12.000
to unleash Wally to us and introduce the gift that

1196
00:56:12.119 --> 00:56:14.400
is Wally Feriston to all of us. That's why Seth

1197
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:17.480
Myers exists. I could not agree with you more. Where

1198
00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:20.920
it has gotten to the point where like originally Fred

1199
00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:23.559
Armiston was in the band and there's a there's pop

1200
00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:25.519
there and it's different and it's got a personality and

1201
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:27.719
all that, and it feels okay, now Fred's not in

1202
00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:29.840
the band anymore because they're just gonna and now we're

1203
00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:31.400
gonna get rid of the band and now we're gonna

1204
00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:33.719
there is no monologue. He's at the desk now and

1205
00:56:33.760 --> 00:56:37.039
it's is it weekend Update, except it's just Update daily. No,

1206
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:39.880
it's not quite that either. And don't get me wrong,

1207
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:42.079
some of the bits on that show the stuff Seth

1208
00:56:42.119 --> 00:56:45.800
can't say. I that that is a tremendous bit. I

1209
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:47.840
love that where you bring up writers and they can

1210
00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:51.199
make certain jokes because of their the cultural appro the

1211
00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:54.079
appropriateness of the joke. Seth can't make that joke, but

1212
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:57.639
they can love that clever And I do. I actually

1213
00:56:57.760 --> 00:57:01.920
am really starting to enjoy Seth more as a conversationalist,

1214
00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:05.719
but I am curious what long form would look like

1215
00:57:06.599 --> 00:57:09.159
in that regard, as opposed to his podcast and things

1216
00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:12.559
which are more specific. The idea of what his conversations

1217
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:14.599
would look like more in a long form sort of

1218
00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:18.400
Tom snyderish type situation, I don't know, it'd be interesting.

1219
00:57:18.440 --> 00:57:21.760
But to your point, I don't think the show has

1220
00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:25.159
an identity so much other than him being at the

1221
00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:27.199
desk and being kind of like he's Weekend Update set,

1222
00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:29.320
which I loved. I loved him at Weekend Update, by

1223
00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:31.800
the way. Yeah, I don't know. And maybe perhaps he's

1224
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:34.239
a little bit maybe he's in limbo a little bit too,

1225
00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:37.159
because maybe there are Saturday Night live conversations going on

1226
00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:40.000
in the background. I don't know, but it does certainly

1227
00:57:40.039 --> 00:57:43.599
feel of all of the shows you brought up fallent.

1228
00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:46.960
You look at Kimmel, right. The one thing with Kimmel,

1229
00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:49.880
everyone says he's the most like Dave, and maybe that

1230
00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:52.760
is true in some respects, but there is one massive

1231
00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:56.840
difference with Kimmel and Dave, and that is, whereas Dave,

1232
00:57:57.159 --> 00:58:00.880
the network with NBC, especially even with CBS, is that

1233
00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:04.239
super Cut on his YouTube channel has shown was a

1234
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:08.800
rival Kimmel. That's not the case. Kimmel is into star

1235
00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:11.400
Wars and comic books and all of these sorts of things,

1236
00:58:11.440 --> 00:58:13.639
and Disney owns his thing, and he is the promotion

1237
00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:16.960
machine for the network that owns his or for the

1238
00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:18.840
company that owns his network and his show and all

1239
00:58:18.880 --> 00:58:21.000
that stuff. And to me, it seems like he has

1240
00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:23.960
happily accepted that role. So would I, by the way,

1241
00:58:24.119 --> 00:58:26.840
because all these franchises and things. I would totally be

1242
00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:29.920
interested in talking to Robert Downey Junr about the differences

1243
00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:33.159
between playing Tony Stark and Doctor Doom. Let's do it.

1244
00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:34.159
This sounds like fun.

1245
00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:34.519
Yeah.

1246
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:37.480
Plus I got a team of ninja like writers where

1247
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:39.519
I can skewer whoever I want to skewer it. Yeah,

1248
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:41.920
let's do that too. And I can use my rapier

1249
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:45.000
wit and exercise these things as well and have some

1250
00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:47.320
mischievous fun the way Dave did. And I get to

1251
00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:49.679
do that to me, and I get to bring guest

1252
00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:51.400
hosts in and I get to the point where I

1253
00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:53.159
don't care and I can work on the schedule that

1254
00:58:53.199 --> 00:58:55.800
I want. Man, Kim's got it. Kim's got a good

1255
00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:59.119
gig right now, and it feels he's the happiest guy

1256
00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:02.440
in Late night right now now to me, Seth. Yeah,

1257
00:59:02.679 --> 00:59:04.719
if we could find more of an identity for him

1258
00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:07.159
the way that Kimmel's got it, that might save that show.

1259
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:10.599
But it is not Late Night. Connor Bryant mosted Late Night.

1260
00:59:11.039 --> 00:59:14.599
In my opinion, if that show ends in twenty twenty

1261
00:59:14.639 --> 00:59:17.400
eight when his contract is up, and that wouldn't be shocking.

1262
00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:19.280
I don't think we'd be like, oh, I can't believe

1263
00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:21.760
they got rid of Letterman's franchise. It just doesn't feel

1264
00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:24.000
like the same thing. Yes, maybe he'd be smart to

1265
00:59:24.039 --> 00:59:27.000
grab the Lorne Michael's gig. And you can make your

1266
00:59:27.039 --> 00:59:29.800
own rules. No one's saying as the show runner, you

1267
00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:31.639
could put yourself on your own show that you run

1268
00:59:31.679 --> 00:59:33.480
because no one can say no to you. You could

1269
00:59:33.559 --> 00:59:36.119
do three minutes on weekend update every week if you wanted,

1270
00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:39.199
and turn that into a thing. As for Kimmel, I

1271
00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:42.079
think he will benefit from there being one fewer eleven

1272
00:59:42.199 --> 00:59:45.639
thirty show because people have to tune into something and

1273
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:49.199
just from a psychograph, all right, where should we go?

1274
00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:52.280
I think they're more likely to go to Kimmel than

1275
00:59:53.079 --> 00:59:55.559
Jimmy Fallon. Kimmel loves floating that.

1276
00:59:55.880 --> 00:59:56.719
I think this is it.

1277
00:59:57.199 --> 01:00:00.239
You're in your fifties, you got plenty of time left. Yeah.

1278
01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:03.519
You clearly can say to ABC, hey I want Summers off,

1279
01:00:03.559 --> 01:00:06.039
and they go, yeah, maybe you want a longer Christmas break.

1280
01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:09.199
They'll say, yeah, hey, Carson had a guest host every

1281
01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:11.559
Monday for the last fifteen years. I don't want to

1282
01:00:11.559 --> 01:00:14.039
do Mondays anymore. Let's let Anthony Anderson do Mondays and

1283
01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:16.800
I'll do Tuesday to Thursday and Friday's a rerun. Sure,

1284
01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:20.519
whatever you want. Jimmy and I think he should and

1285
01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:21.360
will stick around.

1286
01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:24.440
I agree fully, and I'm glad about that too, because

1287
01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:27.639
I enjoy his show the most. Don't get me wrong, Colbert.

1288
01:00:27.679 --> 01:00:30.000
I really do Colbert, and I appreciate them all. I

1289
01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:32.760
actually really Falento, how talented he is. Every once in

1290
01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:36.800
a while, he's so talented. He's so talented.

1291
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:40.320
He catches so much grief. We've beaten this horse already,

1292
01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:45.360
but he's running the Tonight show. Don't judge him by that.

1293
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:49.119
That's right, That's exactly right. It's a lot and again,

1294
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:50.719
like we said, with Colbert, it's gonna be interesting to

1295
01:00:50.719 --> 01:00:52.440
see what he does when these shackles are off. Those

1296
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:57.199
shackles are massive and heavy, and you've got to you've

1297
01:00:57.239 --> 01:00:59.280
got to toe the line. You've got to be you're

1298
01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:01.159
hooked up to this machine, and you've got to be

1299
01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:05.280
a whole bunch of things that your personality and your

1300
01:01:05.360 --> 01:01:10.039
talent get left behind in that. And yes, and so

1301
01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:12.000
fell and he catches a lot of crap, But I

1302
01:01:12.119 --> 01:01:15.559
really appreciate his talent a lot. I certainly hope out

1303
01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:17.519
of this whole thing, I certainly hope we get to

1304
01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:19.880
see more Strikeforce fives here soon. It would be a

1305
01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:21.880
great time to start seeing that and to bring on

1306
01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:24.320
When they did their first run, they brought on John Stewart,

1307
01:01:24.320 --> 01:01:26.280
they brought on David Letterman his guests. That would be

1308
01:01:26.280 --> 01:01:28.760
really cool to see more of that happen in this

1309
01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:31.280
next ten months. It's certainly going to be fun. And

1310
01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:33.400
in this next ten months you and I'm certain are

1311
01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:35.559
going to be talking both in front of the camera

1312
01:01:35.599 --> 01:01:38.760
and behind the scenes as well. During one of the

1313
01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:41.000
most exciting times that we've seen in recent memory in

1314
01:01:41.079 --> 01:01:43.920
comedy in late night. Thank you for doing what you do,

1315
01:01:44.039 --> 01:01:48.159
Johnny Mack. Everybody out there subscribe, get a second email account,

1316
01:01:48.159 --> 01:01:51.079
and then subscribe a second time to the Daily Comedy

1317
01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:54.199
News podcast. Please do that, Johnny Mack, you are amazing.

1318
01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:56.199
Thank you so much for showing up in this mashup

1319
01:01:56.239 --> 01:01:58.599
of your show and my show, and it's just this

1320
01:01:58.679 --> 01:02:00.840
beautiful delight. Thank you for showing up today now.

1321
01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:03.039
I always love doing your program. You do a great

1322
01:02:03.119 --> 01:02:06.000
job as well. I have. It'll be a week later

1323
01:02:06.199 --> 01:02:07.880
or so by the time people hear this, but I

1324
01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:10.360
grab them morty episodes who listen to later today while

1325
01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:11.880
walking the dog and looking forward to it.

1326
01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:14.400
Oh that's awesome. Thank you so much, John, I appreciate

1327
01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:17.000
that very much. This has been another episode of The

1328
01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:19.280
Letterman podcast and a special episode of the Daily Comedy

1329
01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:22.239
News podcast. This is Johnny Mack. I am Mike Chisholm.

1330
01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:23.719
Thank you, and good night.