Aug. 14, 2025
Did Marc Maron steal from George Carlin (no), Howard Stern’s Fall, and Colbert’s Ratings Spike
From George Carlin’s timeless warning about punching down to Marc Maron reviving the fight against hack comedy, Johnny Mac dives into the changing landscape of stand-up. We break down Howard Stern’s transformation from dangerous rebel to safe celebrity, plus John Oliver’s YouTube strategy, Gary Owen’s wild NBA All-Star Game idea, Pete Davidson’s SNL flop with Jim Carrey, and a check-in on late-night TV ratings. Also—Jimmy Carr’s special, the Blue Whale Comedy Festival, and highlights from the Fringe.
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Callaroga Shark Media.
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Hey, let me give you a loaded headline. Is Mark
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Maren ripping off George Carlin? No, of course he's not.
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But Hi, I'm Johnny Mack with your daily comedy news
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on Threads. Somebody surface this clip from nineteen ninety. Here
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is the great profit of the twenty first century, George
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Carlin back in nineteen ninety. The comedian he's discussing here,
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I assume is Andrew dice Clay, But boy, this could
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be Maren this morning, here's George Carlin.
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I would defend to the death his right to do
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everything he does. The thing that I find unusual and
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it's you know, it's not a criticism so much, but
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his targets are underdogs, and comedy traditionally has picked one
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people in power, people who abuse their power. Women and
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gays and immigrants are kind of, to my way of thinking, underdogs.
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And you know, he ought to be careful because he's Jewish,
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and a lot of the people who want to pick
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on these kind of groups, the Jews are on that list.
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A little further you women, gays, gypsies, the moment and
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suddenly you find Jews and yeah, so you know, I
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mean obviously he should do what he wants, and uh,
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why does.
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He get away with it? Do you think then he
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has never laughed that jokes about.
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Well, he's appealing. I think he's appealing largely. I think
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his core audience are young white males who are threatened
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by these groups. I think a lot of these guys
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aren't sure their manhood, because that's a problem when you're
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going in through adolescence. You know, am I really am? I?
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Could I be?
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I hope I'm not one of them? And the women
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who assert themselves and are competent are a threat to
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these men, and so are immigrants in terms of jobs
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and and and so that's why we as an audience
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then will laugh you say we I don't think you're me,
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but I think you're actively. I think that's what what
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is at the core of that experience that takes place
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in these arenas. There is a certain, uh you know,
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a sharing of anger and rage at these at these targets.
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And I'm sure Andrew isn't that angry at that. I'm
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sure he's playing it as a comic.
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What a great clip boy. I've said this before when
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George put out his last few albums, I at the
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time incorrectly was like, George just sounds angry and I
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feel like he's lost his way. Those albums, those last
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few have aged so so well and sound like George
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recorded them this morning. He is the great profit of
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our time. The Holly Reporter caught up with John Oliver,
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who was happy that HBO went back to letting Oliver
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release full segments of the show on YouTube the day
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after airing. There was a time when I didn't have
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HBO I now get it quote unquote free asterisk through
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my cell phone provider. But there was a time when
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I used to watch those segments there. Although I tend
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to bail on those segments, I actually liked the first segment,
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where Oliver is basically doing the daily show. Almost always
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the narrative segment loses me. About five seven minutes in,
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Oliver told The Holly Reporter, I think they wanted to
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see if moving it back on YouTube had an effect
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on our ratings. I didn't think it would, which is
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why I was against moving in the first place, and
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I was massively grateful of that. Upon looking at it,
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they realized it wasn't having a negative enough effect to
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be worth doing again. In the difficulty of the media
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environment that we're in. I try to be as cognizant
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as I can that HBO is still a fantastic place
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to work. The other reporter's like, and yeah, you make
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a lot of jokes about a Emmy stop you from
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getting canceled. Oliver said, I mean two things can be
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true at the same time. It's a fantastic place to
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work while we're insulated by golden armor. If that stops,
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we might be going away. It's not entirely a joke.
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I think it's objectively, very very helpful of one Emmy's
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with the show. I think it's helped us keep our
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independence and keep the show on the air. So yeah,
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I think there's a utility to it and something I
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know has always been important HBO. So I'm massively grateful
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that we've won them, and long may that continue. Please,
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I don't want my theory tested from OutKick. Comedian Gary
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Owen has an idea for the NBA All Star Game.
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Stay with me, I'm giving you Gary Owen's idea here.
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His idea is, rather than have captains choose the team,
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rather than splitting the rosters by East or West, rather
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than pitting the United States against the world. Comedian Gary
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Owen suggests the league have the black stars play the
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white stars. He told the would trip in podcast that
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would draw numbers. Podcast co host Richard Jefferson try to
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just ignore the idea, oh and double down white and black.
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That would draw more numbers than Europe VERSUS America. Then
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they started to take the idea somewhat seriously. What about
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people of mixed race? Gary Owen joked, Jason kid gets
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to coach one team. Jefferson proposed the thought that black
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versus white would separate US. Comedian Gary Owen said, no,
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black and white would bring everyone together. We get too
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caught up in people saying we can't do it. I
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say the numbers would do it. In the first half,
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we play nothing but jelly Roll. In the second half,
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we play nothing but Kendrick. You'd watch Don't Knock like
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you wouldn't watch, you would watch. Pete Davidson was on
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Hot Ones and he talked about the time a sketch
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with him and Jim Carrey bombed Too High Heavens. Pete recalled,
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my first real sketch on SNL was for an episode
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Jim Carrey was hosting. I was so excited because he's
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Jim Carrey, one of the legends, and we wrote the
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sketch where it's like a zombie apocalypse. I'm his son,
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I'm clearly a zombie. The sketch which bomb to high Heavens,
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and it's a long one. It's like six minutes on substack.
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Matt Ruby writes under the headline why Mark Marin versus
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the bro podcasters Matters. Good piece by Matt Ruby, who
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writes the thing about hack is it works. That's why
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comedians used to police hackness internally, would call each other out.
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At Mike's shows and in green rooms. There was a
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whisper network about your act. Andy Kindler would mock the
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worst offenders at his JFL State of the Industry addresses.
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The message it wasn't just about killing, it was how
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you killed. When social media took over, we lost a
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lot of that. This reminds me I meant to bring up.
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I noticed after the fact JFL Montreal resurrected version didn't
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do a state of the Industry address. Kidler had done
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that for years. I'm not sure. I mean, he would
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get a lot of industry attention once a year I'm
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not sure it helped his career at all. Jessica Curson
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did the last one. If my memory is not faulty,
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that one did not have any buzz on it. The
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Kindler one used to have buzz on it because he
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came out swinging anyway. Matt Ruby, who you can find
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on social at Matt Ruby Comedy, he says, of hacks,
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that's why it's nice to see Mark Marin resurfacing that ethos.
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And he's one of the few people that can do it,
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since one he's respected to stand up vet yes, and
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two he already has a massive platform. Plenty of other
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comedians feel the same, but don't have the audience or
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keep mum because they hope to guess it up on
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one of those shows he's attacking. After all, those shows
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are doing for a lot of comedians what the Tonight
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Show did for Stantems back in the eighties. There probably
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weren't many comedians attacking Jenny Carson publicly back then, either,
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you know, Matt Ruby continues. Industry gatekeepers used to play
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a role here too. They recognized and filtered out crappy comics.
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The collapse of quote unquote the industry has been great
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in a lot of ways. But it's also put a
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spotlight on how much those suits served as curators. They
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were remote between hacks and the masses. Is this all
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coming off as elitist? Fine, I'm sick of everyone crapping
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on the elites. Without elites, we're just idiocracy. Someone's got
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to stick up for taste, well, said Matt Ruby. Skipping ahead,
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Matt points out Luis had discussed why ck is okay
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with tackling hacked topics years ago, quoting Ck, I never
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thought of hack subjects as bad to talk about. If
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you think any subject is hacked, go to YouTube and
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watch j Leno's appearance on the Old Letterman Show. There
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are a ton of them and they're amazing. He was
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so effing good, and everything he talked about was quote
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unquote hack. He did airplane Humor and at least five
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different segments on the same show. He never let it go,
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just kept hammering and hammering at it. But with such
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beautiful precisions, such energy, gorgeously worded bits. To frown on
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them because of the subject matter is to be a
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self serving idiot, preach Louis c K Johnny Mack, are
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you on team Louis c K. I guess I am,
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because he's right about Jay Leno, who apparently is the
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worst person who ever lived, because last month he had
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an opinion on late night television, what a terrible guy.
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But go back, there's compilations on YouTube. Go back and
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watch Jay Leno's appearances on Letterman. He was fantastic. I
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used to really look forward to him. And as I've
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talked about with Jay and with Jimmy Fallon, please understand
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what the Tonight Show is. You're not guest hosting for
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Howard Stern. It's the Tonight Show. Do you think Jimmy
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Fallon is gonna come out tonight and be like, hey,
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you know, instead doing the monologue, I want to address
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Gaza for ten minutes. That's not what the Tonight Show is.
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We have other things. John Oliver does that, John Stewart
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does that. It's okay. Jimmy Fallon is just hosting the
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Tonight Show. Speak of Howard Stern. Larry O'Connor in The
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Spectator writes, Howard Stern disappeared years ago. He became the
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very thing he always raged against. I'm glad more people
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are saying this because I've said this, publicly for probably
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a year now on the Substack. I've said it on
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the podcast. I've definitely said it in real life for
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a long time, Howard writes, Larry O'Connor became the very
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thing he always raged against. For many of us, particularly
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those in jen X who came of age during his prime,
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the future started a long time ago because of the
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Howard Stern we grew up on. The one we admired, feared,
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laughed with, and sometimes fought with has been gone for
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you years. I was a teenager in the eighties and
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a driven, hard working young professional in the nineties. Same here.
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I didn't just listen to Stern. I studied him, his timing,
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his fearlessness, his command of the mic. He was chaos
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on order, raw instinct and precise control. Every segment was
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a masterclass in real, unscripted, unfiltered entertainment for anyone who
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dreamed of a life behind the microphone. He was the guy. Amen,
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preach brother. I have said this, Howard Stern's not a
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once in a generation talent. He's a once in two
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generation talents. He's been around for a while. But yes,
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he became everything he hated. Larry O'Connor, the Spectator writes,
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he wasn't trying to change the world. He was just
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trying to tell the truth in the most outrageous, hilarious,
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sometimes jaw dropping way possible. Then he changed what happened.
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The decline of Howard Stern tells us a lot about
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the larger cultural shift we're all living through. It's a
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story of rebellion traded for comfort, danger traded for safety,
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authenticity traded for approval. Boy, this is a good piece,
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and Larry gets it here. I don't want to steal
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his thunder. Let me tell you what he wrote. What
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made Stern so electric in the nineties in the early
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aughts was the tension. He was always pushing a line,
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towing the edge of what was allowed. Now, when I
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teach my college class about Howard Stern, I will act
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like I'm walking up to the edge of a cliff,
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and i will spin my arms like I'm trying to
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not fall over. Howard would walk up to the line. Now,
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ohpiing Anthony, they would drive past the line off the cliff,
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and that's why they got fired several times. But Howard
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watched that line, walked right up to it, didn't go over.
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Continuing with this piece, he was always pushing the line,
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towing the edge of what was allowed. Working within those
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boundaries and constantly fighting them gave his show its fire.
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There were consequences to his words which made them dangerous.
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The danger was thrilling, and when he went behind the
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cerrus XMPA wall, all that was gone. He wasn't risking
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anything anymore. The danger was gone, and so was the edge.
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Once he became the highest paid broadcaster in history, there
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was no more fight. He had won. He didn't have
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a boss anymore. He was the boss, and with no
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one to battle, there was no more friction, no more fire. Suddenly,
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the guy who once ranted about bureaucracy, bad management, and
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corporate nonsense was no longer punching up. He was the system,
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and a show, once anarchic and unpredictable, became safe, soft, comfortable. Worse,
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it became celebrity driven. The guy who once ridiculed Hollywood
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phoniness was now sipping wine with Jimmy Kimmel and kissing
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up talent degenerous. Then Trump broke his brain. The guy
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who made his name being the most politically incorrect man
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in media suddenly became a skold, a hall monitor, a
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voice of sanitized to lead approved opinion. The man who
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used to mock everyone and everything was now in lockstep
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with the Manhattan elite he used to detest. The King
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