Sept. 28, 2025

Marc Maron Are We Good documentary producer Julie Seabaugh

Marc Maron Are We Good documentary producer Julie Seabaugh
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In this special bonus episode, Johnny Mac chats with Julie Seabaugh, producer (and idea originator!) of t the new Marc Maron documentary, 'Are We Good?', which hits theaters on October 3rd. 

This documentary provides a raw and intimate portrayal of comedian and podcaster Marc Maron, focusing on his life after the sudden loss of his partner, Lynn Shelton.

Julie Seabaugh, the film's producer and story editor,  discusses the inspiration behind the documentary and provides insights into Maron's journey through grief and creative resurgence. The discussion touches on Maron's personal and professional struggles, his impact on comedy, and the therapeutic aspects of his work.

The episode also teases Julie's upcoming Mitch Hedberg documentary.

The normal Sunday episode (which was fun!!) went out earlier today.

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Callaroga Shark Media.

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Hi there, Johnny Mack. This is a bonus episode on

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this Friday, October third. The Mark Maren documentary Are We

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Good hits theaters. This raw, intimate portrait of comedian and

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podcast pioneer Mark Maron follows the sudden loss of his

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partner and filmmaker Lynn Shelton. Maren struggles with grief, disillusionment,

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and a shifting comedy landscape, processing it all both on

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stage and off. My guest today is Julie Sebaw. She

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is the film's producer, story editor, and originator. She'll explain

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where this came from. She's also working on a Mitch

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Hedberg documentary that'll be out in twenty six. We talked

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about that a little as well. Just while I have

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your attention, I hope I have your attention if you're

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listening to my podcast. Earlier today, the Normal Sunday episode

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went out and Johnny Mack's a little punchy on that one.

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That wasn't a lot of fun, So don't blow that

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one off. Let's jump in midsrailer here. The voices you're

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going to hear are David Cross, Mark Maren, and then

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John mulaney This is a snippet from the trailer to

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give you a little taste.

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I met Mark in the early eighties.

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I was one of a handful of people.

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There weren't many who could tolerate them. I couldn't draw,

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no matter how many Conan's I did. And that was

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part of the beginning of the podcast. It's happening. I'm

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Mark Maren. This is my podcast.

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Yeah, there's that lou read line. I accept the new

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found man, and that that is what Mark became. Are

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we good? The Mark Maren documentary in theaters when hour

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thirty seven minutes long. In Deuter's Friday, October third, here's

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Julie Sebaugh. All right, let me ask the lame question.

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Why Mark Maren?

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Why now Martin Mare? Uh? Yeah, there's something about this

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guy in a sea of comedians where he's always stood out.

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I've always been a massive fan. He speaks from not

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just the brain, not just from his gut. You know,

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this is up he has to say, and he needs

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this connection on stage with people kind of in order

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to function, and you see that a lot in comedians.

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But he's just endlessly watchable for his ability to you know,

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pull no punches, no holds barred. He will go there

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anything that is on his mind. And it's been that

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way for you know, his careers now, however, many decades,

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and he never really felt like he was successful or

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influential or moved a needle in any way. And I

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find not extremely interesting that he couldn't see what his

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fans saw. And then I was watching his instagram lives

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when the pandemic struck. He was kind of the first

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one doing those instagrams at that time. Also, just like

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he was popularizing the podcast, and the stuff he was

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shown was more you know, we're going into quarantine and

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Lynn is here and here's the cats. And then it

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changed very grammatically when Lynn suddenly passed away. It was

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an undiagnosed form of leukemia. Came absolutely out of nowhere,

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just lost her super suddenly. After realizing that he had

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found the love of his life, this was kind of

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what he'd been waiting for the whole time. And so

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I was very struck by the question of know, how

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is he going to go on to create comedy material

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after this, and also is she going to stick with him?

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Is he going to be the person he's always been,

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or is he going to be a new, better version

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of Mark Marin from her influence on him and just

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the way he was talking about her was the most raw, beautiful,

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brilliant stuff I'd seen a comedian putting out there, you know,

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through his Instagram and podcast. And they realized someone should

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docu meant this next time in his life. And after

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thinking about it a while, you know, as a major

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fan who started to make films, I realized it was

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me and I put together, you know, all the materials,

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reread the books, you started pulling some of the clips,

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and eventually approached state Stephen fine Arts, who'd made the

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Bitter Buddha documentary that Maren was in, and they had

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kind of a contentuous relationship, which I know is shocking

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with Marvin, but I also knew that he would yell

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at fine Arts through the camera, and so that was

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the reason. Yeah, I kind of feel like I know

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Maren better than he knows him still up at this point,

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because he's talking about he's going to quit comedy, he's

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going to move to Canada, and I'm just knowing, yeah,

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I don't think that's going to happen. I think he's

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going to go on stage and create the best material

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is ever created in his life, and that is what happened.

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And so the documentary basically follows this period his life

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where he's dealing with grief and who's turning it into comedy.

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And I think that's always my favorite thing about stand

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up comedy is how we can use it to help

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us with all of these emotions that the world constantly

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grows at us. And he even says in the doc

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grief is an unusual it happens to everyone. This is

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just my turn. And so yeah, it's just basically following

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following this guy on his journey, and I think that

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people can learn a lot from it. It's funny, it's

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super sad, and there's lots of cats. The cats are

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proving very popular.

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It's amazing in that he's doing his strongest work now

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on this side of just a horrible, devastating tragedy. He's

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at the peak of his powers, and he's about to

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walk away from the podcast when we probably need him most.

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I think you're right about that. Many fans who thinks

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the podcast should not be indeed, But yeah, it's an

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interesting time for him also because he has been trying

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to find a bit more peace in his life. You know,

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he turned sixty. His birthday party, we're just kind of

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looking back at his life is also included in the documentary.

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And he knows that he can be his own worst enemy,

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and I think he's just trying to be an old

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man in peace. Really, he's been fighting for so long,

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and there's definitely new generations, contrary to what he thinks,

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who are maimulating him in terms of knowing really forcing

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themselves to produce quality comedy that's uniquely personal to them

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that no one else could be doing, and also carrying

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his mantle in terms of, you know, his political beliefs.

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He does think that his popularity with his podcast has

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a some negative consequences. You know, the Joe Rogan parallels

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are always very interesting. But yeah, I think he's already

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established his place in the world enough that I don't

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probably doesn't have anything else to prove. We would like

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to continue having him as long as possible. They'll still

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be doing stand up, of course, but yeah, I think

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it's just interesting to kind of look at the podcast

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as a collection of it's committing it to history. For yeah,

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it's already in you know, the Hall of Fame for podcast.

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He's won all the awards. He's going to start doing

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some directing also, so he's continuing to b mart Maron,

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just in different form.

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We talk about the Joe Rogan of the Left. I

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feel like he could be the Joe Rogan of the Left.

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I totally get the podcast is a body of work

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and we're done with it. But I do see a

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scenario where you could do almost something like Bird does. Hey, Mark,

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could you come on on Monday and do twelve minutes

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about politics and be the Joe Rogan of the left.

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You have to go away totally. Like, I get you

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don't want to prep for guests. I get you want

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to take your foot off the gas. It's six years old.

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I get all that, But can you do ten minutes

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every other week?

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I'll just say, as somebody who knows Maren very well

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at this point, I can I can tell what kind

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of a mood he's in by the pants who's wearing,

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Like I will say, I would not be surprised if

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anything like that, Just despite is saying to the contrary,

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because I think he always knows that his fans will

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be there, and you know, again he's infinitely watchable, and

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that he will do different forms of entertainment. But no

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one's gonna tell him what to do. This is Mark Maren.

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We can't shape his opinions.

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Hopefully I have some good questions later. But I do

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have a few name questions up top, and one of

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which was, what is Mark Maren like? Now? I think

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you may have opened the door there where he said

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he just wants to, you know, go a way in peace.

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I think, and hopefully this isn't a false memory. I

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think I had a conversation with him back in two

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thousand and three or four in my early run at

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Serious Satellite Radio. I feel like I was talking to

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him in the lobby and that would have been Air

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America's Mark Mariner right after that period, and he was

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perfectly nice. I have nothing bad to say about him,

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but I just feel like his vibe was like, no,

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I'm good, you know, let me know when it's time

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to go back in the studio, and wasn't looking to hang,

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wasn't looking at a no hang. It just was like,

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I'm just here, I'm good man. Is that how he's like?

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I try to keep a respectful distance and not bother

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him too much, although I fail frequently. Yeah, even before

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this documentary. I'd written the five different journalistic pieces over

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the years, from Village Boys to La Times. Yeah, he

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certainly does have that prickly exterior, but I think we

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know as all comics, it's hiding something for Shure. Even

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now today, he's kind of been experimenting with medication. I

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think a lot of people think he probably just has

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often is a more ADHD. It's gone undiagnosed, and that

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might not be a lodge if there is some exploraging

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in that area. But yeah, I think it's all It's

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a safety mechanism, you know, it really is. Once your

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nervous system is wired in a certain way, it's very

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difficult to change it. I use comedy to try to

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do it personally. But yeah, I think he's trying to

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kind of figure out between the X tier and IN tier.

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Like you said, how to just have more peace in

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his life. It's been sixty years of chaos. Like you know,

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let the man have a good time for once.

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Makes total sense. We'll circle back to Maren for sure.

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I do want to talk about your resume. I love

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having guests on here. I explain to my audience I

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know more about comedy than most people if we go

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down to the bar, there's a good chance I know

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more about it put us on the bar. But the

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other people who know more about comedy than me know

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way more about comedy I do, and I'll put you

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in that bucket because of the work that you've done.

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I've read your pieces, I know some of your upcoming work.

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I know this work. I just love to hear you

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explain to the audience your comedy journey.

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Oh yeah, thanks. I consider myself a professional comedy fan. Really,

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I did not know what stand up comedy was until

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my senior year of college because I grew up on

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a farm in Missouri without cable and not much to

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do other than read. So I had all the books,

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all the magazines. I was very into film and music,

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and I thought I was going to write about that

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one day. So at the University of Missouri, I studied

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journalism and senior year, David tel Caaman did a show

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and I got to interview him beforehand, and then we

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hung out backstage and we went across the street to

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the journalism bar and he got everyone drunk on Ye

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you're misto and so is the height of insomniac, which

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was the most amazing experience for a college senior about

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to unleash themselves on the world of journalism. And I

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immediately moved to New York and started hanging out the

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Comedy Seller and bugging David tell more More all the time,

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still to both day, But yeah, I just fell in

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love with it because at that time, it felt like

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no one was writing about comedy as seriously as we

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see today. This was a time when comedy coverage was

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more shoved than like with the calendar listings or the

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music events, and it wasn't being perceived as individual artists

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with their own perspectives and their own means to say.

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It was just kind of a generic comedy. It's something

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you can watch on the weekends, and I really wanted

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to change that. Yeah, it's been twenty two years of

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writing about comedy. I've recently decided to call myself less

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of a journalist and more of a opera and documentarian,

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but that's a natural progression anyway. But yeah, I've covered

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all the festivals. I've been freelanced for most of the time,

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so have written for basically any title you can think of,

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and I just can't get enough. I love the live

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comedy experience sitting in the bat row of a room

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and watching all these different people from different backgrounds and

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who knows why they're there tonight, but they've all gathered

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in this one space now, laughing at the same thing

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at the same time in a way that's completely unable

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to be recreated again. And I just leave there feeling

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a little bit more optimism for the world. We can

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all agree in this thing. Maybe we'd agree on more

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that doesn't know its work out well. But that's my

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favorite part about comedy, of being able to kind of

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lose yourself in it and feel that sense of connection.

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And I will talk about comedy all day long. If

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someone lets.

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We're coming up with Julie Sebah. The documentary is called

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Are We Good? It's all about Mark Marin. Now. Behind

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the scenes, we had a little bit of audio problems.

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if you watch a space movie, say Apollo thirteen, and

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there's that slight delay, and you may have noticed that

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we were sort of speaking in paragraphs. That I didn't

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do what I normally do and jump in mid sentence

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because I'm enthusiastic. So I don't want you to think

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that I wasn't interested in the answers. We knew about

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the glitches, and I told Julie, I'm just going to

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hang back and let you speak in complete sentences so

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I don't step on you. So I didn't mention that

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at the open because I didn't want to poison your

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brain about it. But if for some reason you listen

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to that last segment you're like just not saying anything.

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That's why John isn't saying anything more with Julie Sebaugh

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after this. Now you dropped a note there. I want

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to circle back to can you tell me about the

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roast of Julie? Who roasted you? That must have been amazing.

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My fortieth birthday roaster was held in the belly room

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of the Comedy Store about two and a half weeks

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before Penn. It was sold out, full room. I mean

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the belly rooms very small, but yeah, there's a lot

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of industry and comics there. And at the end it

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was Jeff Ross and Davittel and I said some jokes

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about let's see the Joka talked about Jeff Ross was, uh,

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we're hey, we're in the belly room home of Jeff

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Ross presents Rose Battle and Jeff Ross presents the historical roast.

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When's Jeff Ross going to present his own material? Again?

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That's why I'm not a comic. But do you tell

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every time I have sex dreams about David Tell, I

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wake up covered and hummus, those are the ones I remember.

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But it's also like Mike Lawrence, Brad Williams. There was

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some roast battlers, Jay Light, Nicole Bacannon. Yeah, that was

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probably the highlight of my comedy career as far as

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I'm being roasted for my fortieth and it's all downhill. Yeah,

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it was a great night. I was too nervous to

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really enjoy it, but looking back, that was really really special.

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I love to tell. If I had to bet on

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one comedian do fifteen minutes and just crushing the room.

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You can't touch your normal material, just wing fifteen minutes,

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I would pick David Tel.

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Yeah. Just the idea of seeing this guy who we

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all think is so brillant, and we all watched his

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last special probably four or five times each.

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I know it.

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I know it's true, and he doesn't think he's that

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good either. I even reproached him about different projects in

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the past, and he's like ah, nobody cares like No,

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people care You're You're very influential and insomniac, got a

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lot of people into comedy myself. Yeah, so I would

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love to do something on him at some point, but

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you gotta again get past that exterior. I'm gonna keep

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working on it.

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Well, let's zero in on the documentary. Who's part of it?

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How did it come together? And how do you get

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Mark Merin even agreed to this thing.

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Yeah, after Lynn died and I started realizing that something

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needs to be made, it was either going to be

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a film or you know, just a regular journalism piece

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something like that. The first time when Fine Arts and

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I approached him was via email to have a zoom pitch,

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which he was completely noncommittal to in late twenty twenty.

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We had another one in early spring, and then when

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the venues started reopening after COVID in May of twenty

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twenty one, and he went up at the Comedy Store finally,

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after a week it had been open, and he'd been

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saying he's quitting moving Canada all that stuff, And when

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I thought he was going to be there, I told

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Fine Arts to bring a camera and show up at

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the Comedy store and we went in and basically told

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him he we're doing this now, and you know, he

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realizes when things can be of value to him and

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it did take a while to kind of break down

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the external shell. But it really is the most raw

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you've ever seen him in a lot of ways. Again,

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there's laughing, that's crying, there's again the cats are a

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big part of it as well. But yeah, when you

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start to get people like John Mulaney, some great stories

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from Caroline Ray, David Cross, Sam Lipsy, his best friend,

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his producer Brendan McDonald, to really kind of fill in

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these places in his story over his life or he

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might have one view of it, but people have a

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different view of it. And actually when he watched it

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for the first time, the first cut he saw was

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the last week of February before South By Southwest, and

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I remember getting an email from him and he said

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he actually learned a lot about himself from watching it.

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So I think it was just trusting that process of

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you know who, those people can tell this story in

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the right way and they're not going to screw over

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And yeah, it was just kind of which is Yeah,

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it was. It was a five year labor of love

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that I think we're all really proud.

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Of in the end, is this therapy for him or

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is this like a low key victory lap or he

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wouldn't admit to that, or both or neither, Yeah, all

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the above. Maybe.

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Yeah, He's definitely still doing therapy here here and there.

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He might think it's not enough, but and still you

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know his meetings, you know the recovery meetings, those are

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still in full effect. I do think that the timing

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of him wanting to quit the podcast now is very

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interesting because he does view it as a statement piece

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about Mark Marin and kind of wrapping up this circle

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of this time in his life. Yeah. I think it's

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going to be a matter of really being honest with

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himself and really opening the door to new possibilities. I

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think he's trying. It's hard. It's hard for all of us,

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and he's just the one we're watching do it and

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try to hit some inspiration in the meantime.

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It's so interesting about Pete Mehren. His last special clearly

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is best. He's even said that, And I teach you

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a few college classes. They teach you about the Obama

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episode as the best podcast episode ever done. No qualifier.

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The reason I say that, if you listen to it.

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At first, the President of the United States shows up,

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and then at some point mister Obama drops that he's

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just baracking a garage having a conversation with Mark, and

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towards the end the President of the United States comes back.

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But for the middle there there's two guys in a

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garage and it's beautiful.

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Yeah, that's the whole goal of WTF is. He wanted

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real people to drop the facade and have a conversation

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with him person to persian, and the formula has worked

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extremely well. My favorite episode is Todd Glass personally because

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when we went on and chose that as a platform

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to come out of the closet and kind of tell

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his story, it was Maren that he trusted and it

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was so again, so beautiful. Just the trust he put

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in Maren and the idea that this was the platform

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where comics felt safe and understood, I thought was hugely just.

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I listened to that all the time, still in a

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lot of ways for different and also I know todded

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last too, but there's just a different way of interacting

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when you can shut out all those distractions and you're

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in the sound proper and it's just you another person

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where you can really I'm going to use the word

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unmask which has to do with neurodivergens. But there's yeah,

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something uniek he created in that he wanted to be

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liked and we wanted to like him, and this was

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kind of our from Avatar for doing so. So yeah,

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I think there's this I would I want to hear

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more about your class, but I think there's endlessly examples

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and I want to take it. I want to take

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your book. Yeah, they're just endless examples of moments from

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the podcast that you know, you really see humanity, you

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know in a way that a lot of these comedians

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and actors and everyone else he has on. It's not

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just typical promotion. And again it says in the movie

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like you're coming into Maren's world, you have to talk

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to him. You have to be yourself. That's the reason

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why WTF has worked all this time.

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So when you flip that and Mark's on the other

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side of the camera, how do you make sure you're

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capturing real Mark Maren and not know I'm on camera

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right now, I better turn it on or show this

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side of my personality. How do you get the real guy?

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I feel like the real Mark Maren is never far

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from the service. It's oways bursting to come out. And

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it really was just a matter of waiting for those moments,

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and we had a lot of footage, We went to

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a lot of cities and again five year labor of love,

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and it was just a matter of really going in

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and focusing on what are the actual merit moments, you know,

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what is uniquely and what is he's saying that no

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one else is going to say, and also being really

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truthful about it and not making it a promotional or

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a pup piece or anything like that. And again he

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didn't see it until the end, so I can say

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all of that. And yet also in certain ways he

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didn't have a choice. What's what He decided this is

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going to be a real thing with real emotions, and

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we were all just kind of along for the ride

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with it together with him.

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How does it work creatively? Does he have sign off

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at all if he doesn't like the final version of it?

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So there's the legal aspect of the question, there's the

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spiritual aspect of that question. And he clearly didn't set

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up to do a hit piece on Mark Marron. But

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along the way if we found out, I don't know,

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he throws eggs at children on Halloween, and he was like,

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don't put that in. That makes me look jerky. What's

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signe off there? What's the verbal agreement, the spiritual agreement?

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And how do you approach that as a creator?

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The only thing was if he could say if something

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made him uncomfortable, and there was none of it at all.

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There was a few jokes that some of the interviewees

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made at his expense that got removed that didn't really

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add anything to the story, but that was really it.

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He saw it about ninety nine percent as audience. We'll

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start seeing it next week on Friday. Yeah, he was

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very trusting, probably more so than he should have been.

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That's a very interesting answer. Let's expand on that. More

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than he should have been? What do you mean there?

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It really was just about having these previous relationships. I

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don't think anybody else could have pulled this off. I've

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known him for fifteen years. I think Fine Arts was

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maybe a little bit less, and that was kind of

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all the people he had to deal with. Nobody else,

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So it was just really having this circle of knowing

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we're gonna all do the right thing here and make it,

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like I said, not a hit piece, not a puff piece,

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but honest, you know, I'm someone who's done journalism twenty

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two years and that's what I want. I want a

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journalistic story where you're showing, not telling. Everything speaks for itself.

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You don't need to color it with opinions. Yeah, I

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cannot say how proud I am of finally getting this done.

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And I think it's very emotional and you're actually kind

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of getting me like thinking like, yeah, we really did

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do a good job here. When you're caught up in

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it for five years, it's hard to see that. But yeah,

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I'm not sure other than like, Maren's an amazing subject

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and when he allows you to do what you do best,

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then everyone wins.

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You're really speaking about trust and the entertainment industries. We

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both know there are a few people that aren't so awesome.

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There are a few people are awesome. There's someone aren't awesome.

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And I think that knowing you're working with somebody who's

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not going to hand in a hit piece or a

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jerk face piece, I think that really goes a long way.

465
00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:16.920
So I'll plaud you for that for having that with

466
00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:19.640
Mark Marin, who I imagine is guarded.

467
00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:24.000
You are correct, Yes, it really has this been you

468
00:26:24.079 --> 00:26:29.559
know again, she's known us for so long. That being said, Uh,

469
00:26:29.839 --> 00:26:34.200
here's a tip for everyone, especially the ladies. Get it

470
00:26:34.279 --> 00:26:38.200
all on writing record all of your meetings. Don't allow

471
00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:41.880
yourself to be in a position of taking advantage of Uh.

472
00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:45.160
That's yeah, that's just a tip for everyone. Protect yourselves,

473
00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:49.240
but also don't lose that humanity and trust. At the

474
00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:51.799
same time, just backing up with some paperwar.

475
00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:54.720
We're coming up with Julie Seabaws we talk about the documentary.

476
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:58.039
Are we good? All about Mark Maron? Because I'm an

477
00:26:58.039 --> 00:26:59.559
honest person, I just want to let you know in

478
00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:03.440
that last I did revoice my questions to clear up

479
00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:06.440
some audio glitches, but you didn't notice. Did you know

480
00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:12.799
you didn't? You are also working on a Mitch Hedberg documentary.

481
00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:14.880
Now I'm obsessed with Mitch Edburg. When I heard this

482
00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:17.319
thing was happening, I couldn't wait for it. As I

483
00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:19.960
prepped for a conversation today, I saw that you had

484
00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:23.519
mentioned in a different interview that Mitch Hepburg was a

485
00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:24.759
good interview himself.

486
00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:28.680
I did interview him for a couple different times, but

487
00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:32.480
the main one was for Las Vegas Weekly about six

488
00:27:32.599 --> 00:27:36.359
months before it passed away. This was for the Stephen

489
00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:41.119
Lynch Comedy Central Live tour that they did, and he

490
00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:46.000
was just so expansive and personal and was talking about

491
00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:50.960
loving Lynn, his wife, and the relationship he wanted to

492
00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:54.079
have with his parents, and how he just wanted to

493
00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:56.440
be a free spirit, and these are all things we

494
00:27:56.519 --> 00:27:59.440
loved about Mitch. Anyway, he was another like you can

495
00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:03.839
just tell he's good birth and yeah, his story is

496
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:07.079
endlessly fascinating to me. He was always my number one.

497
00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:11.480
We have the same birthday. I actually knew his mother

498
00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:15.839
fairly well before she passed away in twenty twelve. But yeah,

499
00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:18.160
we all know the Mitch Hedberg story is one that

500
00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:22.680
is so evergreen. His material can be listened to forever.

501
00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:28.920
It's not about you know, political jokes or sex jokes

502
00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:32.559
or even I think he maybe had one or two

503
00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:36.559
curse words in his material ever, but just the most

504
00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:41.640
pure mind of you know, these kind of well thought

505
00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:45.880
out one liners that put a whole new perspective on

506
00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:49.440
the world. And like you see things through Mitch's lens

507
00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:53.759
when you hear it its material. It's completely unlike anyone else,

508
00:28:54.160 --> 00:28:57.200
although he definitely has a lot of imitators these days.

509
00:28:57.279 --> 00:28:59.599
For sure, I could name a lot of them, but

510
00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:02.039
I will. No one has ever really known the full

511
00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:05.599
Mitch Hedward story because in a lot of ways, it

512
00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:08.079
ended in two thousand and five when he died, when

513
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:12.039
the Internet was just coming into its own and social media,

514
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:14.680
whereas you know, kind of the treasure trovee of all

515
00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:18.359
his material. These days, you can watch endless quips and

516
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:22.200
there's so much about his life that is completely uncovered.

517
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:26.440
People kind of know that he gives some comedy in Seattle,

518
00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:31.119
but that's about it. But there's a whole entire life

519
00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:34.559
before he was really well known in about ninety eight

520
00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:40.359
that we cover all the entire thing from first hand sources.

521
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:44.920
That again, Jeff Siegel, the director, has been very adamant

522
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:49.000
about tracking down everyone. It's over one hundred plus people

523
00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:53.799
and it's gonna be eventually. We've wanted to kind of

524
00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:57.079
keep it small circle and do it the right way

525
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:00.200
because a lot of people, myself included, have tried to

526
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:03.480
do different Mitch projects in the past, and there are

527
00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:07.640
reasons that they get shut down, and we kind of

528
00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:12.079
went around some of these reasons for this, and that's

529
00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:16.640
why it's actually going to finally happen. And I cannot

530
00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:19.960
say enough how much this will be a career highlight,

531
00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:23.000
and I know full well, but everything else is dath

532
00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:24.039
ill prem here.

533
00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:27.200
I hope it creates another Mitch renaissance. We had one

534
00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:29.240
when the Internet really took off. But he has so

535
00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:31.880
many signature bits, like if I run into a can

536
00:30:31.960 --> 00:30:34.440
of mister Pibb at the supermarket, I will take a

537
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:36.799
photo of it and send it to somebody. If I'm

538
00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:39.119
at Hershey Park and they're selling frozen bananas, my daughter

539
00:30:39.160 --> 00:30:40.839
gets a ten minute routine about how I don't want

540
00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:42.599
a frozen banana now, but I might want a regular

541
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:45.920
banana later. If I'm at a subway, she gets a

542
00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:49.079
duck's bits. It's all just in my brain, So it'd

543
00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:52.319
be great to see another wave of it. I just

544
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:54.880
feel like edburg Mania has cooled off over time. It

545
00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:57.599
will happen to anybody who's not putting out active material,

546
00:30:58.039 --> 00:31:00.240
But you know, I really look forward to this.

547
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:03.599
All of us on this team, there's four core members

548
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:07.680
that we all knew Mitch personally, and it loved him

549
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:14.160
adored him, and the idea that he does continue having

550
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:17.279
this legacy is sort of part of the you know,

551
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:22.519
the pitching per se. His album Mitch Altogether only went

552
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:25.279
gold a couple of years ago, and we actually have

553
00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:30.160
footage of Jack Vaughn from Comedy Central Records presenting Mitch's father,

554
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:33.480
Arnie with the gold record that would have been Mitch's.

555
00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:37.480
So that's kind of a team we have in the documentary.

556
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:41.519
Not not to give it all away, but he does

557
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:45.279
continue selling. It's true, and especially you know on the

558
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:49.519
digital stations the Comedy Central Records on serious Sex and

559
00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:53.839
then plays his step all the time. Yeah, he's kind

560
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:56.960
of perfect for those clips of chopping them up with

561
00:31:57.079 --> 00:32:00.960
small amounts the bite size of Mitch hedbird jokes. Yeah,

562
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:04.279
and even our team kind of what you're saying, we

563
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:06.880
still responded his stuff all the time. I said a

564
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:10.319
picture broke an escalator to the team the other day

565
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:14.000
because we just want to talk about him all the time,

566
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:17.000
or like this is hey, I lived by the Coach

567
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:19.079
and Horses Bar where he used to go with Doug

568
00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:24.039
Stanhope and they once met Quentin Tarantino, and that'll be

569
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:28.119
a story. We're constantly geeking out about Mitch through this

570
00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:32.960
whole process. It's the best project, and again, it will

571
00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:34.240
never be as good as this one.

572
00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:37.079
I also know Jack Vaughan. He has the job now

573
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:38.960
that I used to have, and I knew him when

574
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:40.799
he was running Comedy Central Records, and we did the

575
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:43.880
Comedy Central Radio deal together. So at some point I

576
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:46.720
wanted to do a Headbird tribute on serious comedy. This

577
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:49.519
was pre merger. But I'm not a ghoul, so I'm

578
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:51.160
not going to call in Shawcroft and be like, hey,

579
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:52.960
your husband died yesterday. Can we do something? You know,

580
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:56.559
I waited maybe nine months a year. She said nobody

581
00:32:56.599 --> 00:32:58.359
had really reached down to her. So she comes in

582
00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:00.440
and we do the tribute and stand Hope's part of it.

583
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:03.559
And I wound up in the back studio with her,

584
00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:05.559
a really small studio and smaller than the room that

585
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:10.119
I'm in now, and she had Mitch's cassettes and she

586
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:12.119
hadn't listened to them. I'm telling you this is a

587
00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:14.039
true story. I was sitting there with a woman and

588
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:16.400
she hadn't heard them. I saw her emotionally react to them,

589
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:20.799
and she's playing some late in life sets Mitch had

590
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:24.839
done and I said to her, you've got an album here,

591
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:27.400
and I don't make albums. I don't want anything out

592
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:28.799
of this. I just want to hear the materials A

593
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:30.880
fan and connected her with Jack and that's where that

594
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:34.200
posthumous album came from. And it was just I'm so

595
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:36.079
glad that that material got out there.

596
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:41.920
Mitch was already under contract for an album where he died,

597
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:46.240
and as far as I know, Wynn had to produce one.

598
00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:50.119
But yeah, I guess it was. Yeah, it wasn't going

599
00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:52.200
to be clear where that material was going to come from.

600
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:54.720
And I remember that tribute you did too. I was

601
00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:56.720
listening to it crying the whole time too.

602
00:33:57.400 --> 00:34:01.599
It was amazing. I never got meet him. The other

603
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:04.519
touchdown in my career there was because I remember the

604
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:07.799
day clearly. We were doing Jim Brewers Afternoon Show and

605
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:09.800
we were at the car show in New York City

606
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:14.119
and Jim was crossy because the night before Jim had

607
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:19.000
to cover for Mitch Heedbergh who didn't show up for reasons.

608
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:21.320
We didn't know what happened, and we heard in the

609
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:23.199
middle of the show. We all we're at the car

610
00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:27.159
show and Jim's performing two hundreds of people live and

611
00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:30.039
we heard this. We were all just devastated, and you know,

612
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:32.760
Brewer did the radio show and then we all felt

613
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:34.880
like jack holes for the way we were, you know,

614
00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:36.960
five minutes ago. It was like, ah, I can't believe

615
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:39.119
that guy didn't show up, and they're like, oh my god.

616
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:41.360
It was just I can still feel it coming back

617
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:42.280
as I tell you the story.

618
00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:45.880
Yeah, I remember the feeling of it hitting me when

619
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:49.639
I heard too. I was returning from a comedy show

620
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:51.719
late at night. I was living in New York at

621
00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:55.159
that time and had just seen him at Carolines just

622
00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:58.360
before with all the when all the rock stars were there.

623
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:03.760
Mike Brobiglia opened partially that weekend, and someone wrote me

624
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:07.000
a message that said, by now you've heard that Mitch

625
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:10.719
Hedberg gets passed away, and I have not until that message.

626
00:35:11.639 --> 00:35:15.679
And the message went on to say something to the

627
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:19.239
effect of he liked his fans and he knew you

628
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:23.280
were one of them, and that's what's important. But yeah,

629
00:35:23.559 --> 00:35:26.480
I had a terrible month, that entire month when he died.

630
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:29.159
A lot of people I think did I don't know

631
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:32.679
if you were at the Carolines memorial, but I've blocked

632
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:36.760
a lot of that out because it was so emotionally devastating.

633
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:39.840
I was sitting next to this publicist, Michael O'Brien on

634
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:41.679
this side of me, and I had a program on

635
00:35:41.800 --> 00:35:44.559
this side of me, and I couldn't look up at anyone.

636
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:47.840
I just kept looking down at this program of tears

637
00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:52.280
streaming down life face the entire time. But I do

638
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:55.360
the few things I do remember is davidtel being on

639
00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:59.679
stage cry and that was horrifictasy. The same with Mike Robiglia.

640
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:04.760
But then also towards the ending, they let in just

641
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:07.679
a bunch of fans who had kind of clambered around outside,

642
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:11.639
and they were telling the stories that we heard about

643
00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:14.440
the time he bought the college students an air conditioner,

644
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:18.280
or someone needed a radiator for his car and Mitch

645
00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:21.920
bought them a radiator for the Those stories came out

646
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:26.800
as well. And that was also the first time Jana Johnson,

647
00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:30.360
his longtime girlfriend of nine years prior to Lynn and

648
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:34.840
the woman who's very essentially responsible for his career, and

649
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:37.559
she was managing him and got them every opportunity that

650
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:43.239
she could. She had an elegy that eulogy that she

651
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:48.119
had written that was the first biographical account of Mitch

652
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:51.800
before we all started really knowing him around ninety eight

653
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:56.360
or so, and I do remember feeling like, oh, someone

654
00:36:56.440 --> 00:36:59.880
needs to get projects on him going immediately, because no,

655
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:03.039
no one knows any of this story. But that was

656
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:10.400
twenty years ago at this point. So yeah, the amount

657
00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:14.480
of emotion I tied into Mitch just because I did

658
00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:16.800
feel like I connected with so much, and the birthday

659
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:20.480
thing and these are all very superficial. But I think

660
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:23.599
you know what I mean and understand that people just

661
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:27.519
love the Mitch for who he was in so many ways.

662
00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:33.039
We don't feel that personal connection really with He loved

663
00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:40.239
the person behind the jokes a lot. But yeah, Mitch's evergreen, eternal,

664
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:43.639
his stuff works all around the world, who his will

665
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:48.559
just a really unique, magical guy. And I will continue

666
00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:50.280
talking about him until you cut me off.

667
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:53.239
I'm always wanted to think about what if to know

668
00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:56.079
at that stage in his career, he was starting to

669
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:57.960
have to speed up the act because people in the

670
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:01.159
audience were stepping on the punchlines and he was working

671
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:03.239
a little more quickly. It would have been interesting to

672
00:38:03.320 --> 00:38:07.079
see the evolution of ten years later, twenty years later,

673
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:10.000
as he's still working at that deliberate pace no, Stephen

674
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:13.239
Wright still does or would there have been an evolution.

675
00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:15.039
We'll never know, And it's just one of those things

676
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:16.559
that I think about when his name comes up.

677
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:21.400
Certainly some of the timing of material was affected by

678
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:25.079
drugs at that point. That's something Jack Rown has also

679
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:28.960
talked about when he recorded the second album. And it's

680
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:32.800
pretty obvious, you know, to some people, maybe not if

681
00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:35.280
you were a college student at that point, just thinking

682
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:39.639
he's a funny character. I'm describing myself in Clasi's not

683
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:42.679
clear the drug thing hit a lot of people by

684
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:47.039
surprise if you weren't kind of you know, inner circle

685
00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:52.199
in industry at that time. But yeah, just the idea that, like,

686
00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:56.639
I mean, so many people in the documentary say he

687
00:38:56.719 --> 00:39:00.639
would be doing arenas, he would have so many Netflix vetals,

688
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:04.679
But other people say he wouldn't like social media at all,

689
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:08.480
and he probably would have left comedy. So we don't know,

690
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:11.199
but I think any of those paths make a lot

691
00:39:11.239 --> 00:39:13.599
of sense for the artists that we knew.

692
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:16.239
I could see that you seem to know Jack Vaughn

693
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:18.840
pretty well. I used to accuse him of being a

694
00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:20.920
secret agent. First of all, his name is Jack Vaughan,

695
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:23.840
He's a nice looking guy. If he ever told you

696
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:25.920
a story about what he would do on vacation, it

697
00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:29.119
was always some exotic locale with like a great story

698
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:31.760
to it, And I'm like, you're clearly on my sex.

699
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:36.280
Jack Vonn, I've known since two about two weeks after

700
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:38.920
I first moved to New York after I graduated college,

701
00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:43.360
when I went to the Virgin Records megastore in Times

702
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:47.199
Square for David Tell's release of Skanks for the Memories,

703
00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:50.199
and I have a photo that Jack Vaughn took of

704
00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:53.119
me and David's hell, and he's been very nice to

705
00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:55.880
me ever since. I agree that Jack Vaughn is one

706
00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:58.480
of the nicest people in comedy. But he also spent

707
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:02.280
his you know, his FA was with Peace Corps, right,

708
00:40:03.079 --> 00:40:06.440
and he's traveled the world his entire life. So yeah,

709
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:12.000
he's a very experienced traveler in lots of ways, physically, mentally.

710
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:15.239
I trust him more than anyone else in comedy. Jack,

711
00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:15.920
don't listen to.

712
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:18.400
This, all right, So you came out here to promote

713
00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:20.800
a Marin documentary and I get a headberg Land, and

714
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:23.519
then we did ten minutes on Jackonville. So let me

715
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:26.760
ask you about Mark Maron, What was the unexpected thing

716
00:40:26.840 --> 00:40:28.559
that you found out that when you went into this

717
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:30.400
Oh yeah, Oh.

718
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:32.440
That's a good one. I think it really was that

719
00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:36.800
idea that he didn't see himself as that successful kind

720
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:40.719
of shocking, really, and he never really liked the fact

721
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:44.960
that he became better known for his podcasts than his

722
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:49.719
comedy and just really kind of trying to understand what

723
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:52.119
that must be like in his mind. I think was

724
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:56.079
probably the most shopping partly. You're clearly, clearly one of

725
00:40:56.119 --> 00:40:59.639
the best it's ever existed. But again, maybe that's something

726
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:02.360
all of us can learn. You know, we're all doing

727
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:04.679
a little bit better than we think we are.

728
00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:07.320
Maybe one of the all time grades if we made

729
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:09.800
a list of stand up comedians, he's going to make

730
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:11.480
it sure. You're one of the all time. You're the

731
00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:15.360
old Ghini podcaster, so there. But again, from stand up

732
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:18.199
comedy standpoint, at sixty years old, you just put out

733
00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:21.280
your best work, dude. We respect. Everybody loves that special.

734
00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:24.400
I said every year, I do, like everyone else, the

735
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:27.119
top specials of the year. That's going to be number one.

736
00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:29.320
I can't imagine what's going to knock that out of

737
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:29.840
number one.

738
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:33.920
Oh, I agree, for sure. For sure, he just keeps

739
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:37.679
getting better, and yet yeah, he wants to quit. So

740
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:41.280
these are why we keep the reasons why we just

741
00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:45.519
keep watching these people like it's endlessly fascinating to follow

742
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:48.719
these comedy journeys and I can't get en up with it.

743
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:51.840
I just think Mark Maron was the best at this

744
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:55.599
at this specific period of time to follow. I don't

745
00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:58.400
think there's going to be unless we have, you know,

746
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:02.599
other pandemics, or well, we will certainly have other upheavals.

747
00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:05.440
But it was something about the context of being in

748
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:09.880
that time and watching how he dealt with everything that

749
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:12.840
not only we were all going through, but his own

750
00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:16.960
loss and grief at the same time. That just meant,

751
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:20.760
you know, if he can keep going after this, we

752
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:23.599
can too. And that's just comedy in a nutshell.

753
00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:26.599
So is the thesis here not to be modeling that

754
00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:31.320
the tragic event just pushed him to the next level

755
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:34.800
or helped him focus. It seems to clearly be a

756
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:37.519
focal point and his strongest work has come after that.

757
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:39.599
So is that a moment?

758
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:43.840
I would say that it was something thrust upon him

759
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:47.960
and he, yeah, dealt with it as he could, and

760
00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:50.960
we just wanted to make sure we were there to

761
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:56.320
capture it. Obviously, it's the most dramatic thing that's ever

762
00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:59.519
happened to him, but you know, by far we can

763
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:03.800
see that very clearly what he manages to keep going

764
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:08.519
and like you said, create the best material he's ever done.

765
00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:13.400
And how does comedy actually allow us to do that,

766
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:18.079
especially through his eyes? Yeah, I'm not sure I'm actually

767
00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:20.679
answering the question, but there was just something about that

768
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:24.960
moment in that time and watching him go through all

769
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:28.039
this and kind of start to come out the other

770
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:33.000
side through humor that I think is again universal timeless,

771
00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:38.400
can't get enough of it. I will watch comedians create

772
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:43.039
material on the challenging times forever. Yeah, and he's just

773
00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:47.440
kind of the best. So that's why it made you know,

774
00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:50.199
it was very difficult, but I'm glad we did it

775
00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:51.599
for sure. For sure.

776
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:54.639
Do you imagine fans will come away laughing or we'll

777
00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:58.400
be crying? Will we get into understanding of Mark Bhern

778
00:43:58.480 --> 00:43:58.800
all of that?

779
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:02.559
All the above? For sure? Again, like I said, this

780
00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:06.880
is watching him make new material in the wake of

781
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:11.679
this tragedy. So you see him experimenting the process, putting

782
00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:16.360
it together for better and for worse, and there's definitely

783
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:20.840
a lot of crime as well. For sure. I have

784
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:24.800
not gotten out of a screening yet without people crying.

785
00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:30.800
So yeah, the full emotional spectrum. And it even works

786
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:33.079
if you're not a fan of Mark Marin, because again

787
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:36.119
we're you know, be latering the point by now. But

788
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:40.199
this is something that happens to everyone. Here's how this

789
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:41.159
guy dealt with it.

790
00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:44.880
And that's all I have for you. See, here's what happened.

791
00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:48.519
When we were recording. The upload stalled at ninety six percent,

792
00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:50.840
so I don't have the rest of the conversation, which

793
00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:53.559
kind of sucks. But I asked her about it being

794
00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:55.519
in theaters, and you know, can I just hide out

795
00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:57.800
in the basement of crying. She's like, nope, it's in theaters.

796
00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:01.079
She did suggest that possible, perhaps maybe there might be

797
00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:03.079
another way to see this down the road, but this

798
00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:07.400
week it's in theaters and it sounds fantastic. So at

799
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:08.599
the end, you know, like we do, I go, hey,

800
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:10.280
thanks for coming on. She said nice things to me.

801
00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:11.960
I said nice things back, but I don't have any

802
00:45:11.960 --> 00:45:13.719
of that, so just imagine how that went. I want

803
00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:16.719
something like this, Hey, Julie, appreciate your time, really looking

804
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:18.559
forward to this. Thanks for coming on today, and then

805
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:20.840
she said something nice in my general direction, and then

806
00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:23.639
we said bye, and then there was some after stuff

807
00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:25.840
after the recording about you know, hey, I hope you'll

808
00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:27.239
come back with a Mitch thing and we said all that,

809
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:29.360
but you know, you wouldn't have heard that anyway, because

810
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:31.199
I wouldn't have included that in the podcast. So you're

811
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:35.360
actually getting more content that you would have. I'm punchy today.

812
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:38.239
All right, that is your bonus episode back in the

813
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:41.199
morning with a normal episode comedy. People. Can we keep

814
00:45:41.239 --> 00:45:43.119
this thing calm. This has just been out of control lately.

815
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:45.840
Let's keep it simple. So Johnny Mack and watch football

816
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:49.440
all day, watch the Jets lose, and then we'll come

817
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:51.880
back in the morning with a normal episode of daily Comedys.

818
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:52.400
Appreciate you.