Oct. 11, 2025
Mark Normand on the ret-con of Shane Gillis being cancelled being good for him
Mark Normand discusses cancel culture and its misuse, highlighting examples like Shane Gillis. Sheng Wang shares his pandemic hair journey and office work experiences. Brian Regan talks about the personal challenge of performing clean comedy. Bob Odenkirk reflects on the Midwest's influence on his comedic perspective. Stavros Halkias opens up about his evolving views on wellness and masculinity. Greg Gutfeld elaborates on becoming 'the king of late night' and his approach to making late-night TV enjoyable for everyone.
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Kalaroka, Shock Media, Hi there, Johnny Mack with your Daily
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Company News. Mark Norman talked about cancel culture with al
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dot com and said, obviously, like Harvey Weinstein and Bill
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Cosby and Jeffrey Epstein and or Kelly and list goes on,
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these are people that should have been taken down years ago,
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and these are criminals. He should be in jail. So
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I get all that, But some people, no one ever
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brings us up. Some people were using cancel culture like
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get their way. It wasn't about justice or doing what
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was right. Was about, oh, I can use this and
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call this person a racist, then they'll get fired and
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I could take their job or whatever. People started using
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it for their own benefit and it wasn't about doing
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what was morally. Just was about, hey, let me spind this,
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I get what I want. That's really when it got ugly.
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And I know a lot of examples of that, But
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to me, I think we're kind of pasted it, we're
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kind of over it, and you just ignored. Tends to
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kind of be okay, But yeah, that was a dark time.
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I mean then we did that weird thing we were like,
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look at Shane Gillis, he got canceled. Now he's huge.
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I'm like, yeah, but he's also talented. Let's not act
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like him getting canceled was the best thing that ever
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happened to him. That's like saying, hey, your mom got
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stabs and now you're all over the news. So yeah,
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I don't worry about it. I think just as long
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as you tell jokes, you're fine. If you're going up
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there to saying the N word and yeah, maybe that's
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a problem, but maybe you don't have an act. You're
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just trying to be edgy. Yeah, but I talk about everything.
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I have dicey topics and quote unquote edgy stuff, you know,
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but it's all jokes, and it's all in jest. Mark
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Norman's best to come back to a heckler. Mark said,
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one of my best counterpunches was a big fat lady
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who for some reason hated me, and she just yelled
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out boo, and I said, are you saying boo or moo?
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And the place went nuts and she hated me more
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than she left, So that was a real wind. Shang
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Wang with Cleveland Scene. They were curious about his hair.
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What made you grow out your hair? Shang said, it
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wasn't really a choice. I canceled my haircut appointment on
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More to thirteenth, twenty twenty. Was the pandemic. At one
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point my currey I tried to grow it out. When
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it was between short and long, I cut it and
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never gave it a chance. People started complimenting me on
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my hair. I thought it might not make sense of
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cut it now it matches the vibe of the comedy
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and writing. For now it really works. It's all an accident.
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Remember that, did you cut your own hair? Or the pandemic?
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At one point I had to take out the I
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let this hop grow out, but the sides just my
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hair gets really wide. I had to take out the
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razor and just be like, all right, let's hope for
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the best. Here. It was okay, you know, it was
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like pandemic. Okay. I wasn't leaving the house anyway. Shane
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jokes the best part of an office job is being
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able to print for free. Did he ever actually have
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an office job? Oh yeah, I still have to have
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different jobs. I had some temp jobs and was always
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so blown away by how much printing and trash comes out,
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going from printing at home to printing out an office.
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I remember the warmth of fresh printed paper that's stuck
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with me. It's based on real life office experience as
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a comedian. You going to an office with fresh eyes,
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and everything feels so alienating and interesting next to I
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have asked Brian Reagan about performing clean. That seems to
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be like, if you ever meet Brian Reagan, you have
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to be like, hello, you're Brian Reagan. Yes I am.
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You were clean? I mean it's every interview, but okay,
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it's the weekend. Brian said, Well, I was always mostly
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clean even when I started, just because that's how my
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brain works, at least comedically. When I'm with my friends
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hanging out, I could be as filthy as anyone else
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on stage. Hey, just the kind of stuff I like
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to do is conceptual and doesn't normally go in that
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four letter word direction. But it wasn't completely clean when
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I first started. Maybe about five percent was dirty. When
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I first went out on the road, AD a handful
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of jokes that were attention getters. When you're playing a
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rough room like a bar that does a comedy, it's
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aequila night out of jokes that would hopefully get their attention,
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and I try to slide to stuff that I like,
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but then I got to the point where it's more
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about being meticulous than wholesome. You know, people got the
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wrong idea of why I like to work clean. I
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like to work clean just because I like the idea
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of seeing if I could be one hundred percent of something.
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I see this a personal challenge. How well can I
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do how hard can I get people laughing without hitting
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certain buzzwords or topics that can disproportionately work in front
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of audiences. I started going one hundred percent clean just
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for the challenge of it, and along the way I
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found there's a following for that. I didn't do it
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for that reason. I did it for my own reasons.
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IPM Newsroom asked Bob Odenkirk about the role of the
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Midwest in his comedy. Bob said, the Second City is
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the name for a theater, and it's a name that
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was borrowed from a name for Chicago. The Second City.
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It's like you're the underdog, and as a result, you
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have a suspicious chip on your shoulder towards all that
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whatever's happening, whatever's hype and happening. That's good for comedy
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because that's what comedy does. Comedy undermines. Growing up here
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lends itself to that perspective on the world that wants
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to poke with the world and doesn't take things seriously.
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As long as there are irritating things in the world,
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there's comedy, So please keep irritating us. You know, nobody
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quits show business. Stavros Halki has spoke with GQ about
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his current views on wellness and said, early on in
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my career was like, oh, this is fun. Let me
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get as messed up as possible. Let me get good
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at something so I get attention from women, and let
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me get drunk and have sex with any girl that
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will let me, and eat like garbage to reward myself.
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Clean that up a little. There's also a little bit
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of nihilism, like living like nothing matters around the path
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to a coward suicide, where it's like, I don't want
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to take care of myself. Who cares? I'm not going
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to be around forever. And then my life's gone pretty good.
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I got a nephew, My best friends have been kids,
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and I'm like, oh, I've gotten successful. There's people that
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care about I guess I want to live. So I've
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been trying over these last five years to lose a
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little weight. I did really well during the pandemic, and
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then I started working got fat as f again. I
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just do whatever takes the stick around with the ultimate
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goal of being I never want to get skinny, but
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I want to be strong. On the road, especially on tour,
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I just start walking. I like to call myself the
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twenty thousand step bastard. Every day on the road, i'd
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walk like eight miles. I'd walk into my feet hurt,
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and then over time my feet stopped hurting. I could walk.
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The thing that's helped me is to be completely honest
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with yourself and slowly build from there. The theme of
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this interview is masculinity. I think this is an interesting answer.
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I definitely see myself in a lineage of those fat
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guys that are really up to even as a kid.
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We're talking Farley, John Candy, Jack Black. I don't think
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anybody would look at me and say that guy's feminine.
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I don't think I'm getting that, but I guess I'm
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just trying to say for people who feel like they're
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not masculine, there's a version of them that is. You
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could be a mix of masculine and feminine. If you
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want to be masculine, you don't feel it, there's a
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path for you to project that. I think for me
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it was when I unlocked, Oh, women don't actually care
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that much if they like you as a person, if
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you can show what's good about you. A lot of
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my body in security kind of stem from just general
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insecurity about relationships and getting attention from girls. But I
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think for me it was when I unlocked Ouh, women
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actually don't care that much if they like you as
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a person, if you could show what's good about you.
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When I was confident myself in all these other ways,
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when I felt like I'm doing what I need to do.
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I have a nice life plan, I feel confident in
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my abilities. That inner confidence sort of projected. I've been
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enjoying these He's really in touch with himself. This is
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good stuff. What does he look for in a relationship,
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he said, I've been thinking about this a lot. I
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think it's cool to be a provider or whatever. But
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I'm also very attracted to ambition. I like somebody who's
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doing their own thing. I like talking to somebody about
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their long term goals. I have to think strategically about
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my career. I like having those long discussions with somebody.
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As much as I love stand up, essentially I'm running
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my own business. I've been overdoing it because once you
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get a shot in entertainment, you kind of have to
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take it. I remember thinking, oh, I'm so tired to
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be cool. If I got home and the place was
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clean and maybe there was food, I don't want to
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order food. I was like, what if I was dating
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somebody would just be here. It'd be cool if she
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lived here and then took care of stuff. I'm doing
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so well, she wouldn't even need a job. I backwards
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invented the concept of a traditional housewife. A little more
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from that Gutfeld thing I told you about yesterday, he
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talked about the whole King of Late Night thing and explained,
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I think I'm trying to think where the King came from,
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and I think after credit Dave Rubin. I think Rubin
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was on dur in the first week of the show
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and said something like, you're gonna be the King of
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Late Night. You're gonna be number one. I don't like
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saying stuff like that because then it'll just be thrown
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back in your face, but he was right. Then, of
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course I had to put it on my book cover.
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I don't even have that I happened, but putting it
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on the cover of my book was like this audacious
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and ridiculous thing. He was asked what late night even
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means anymore? Like whatever you watch, you're choosing a side.
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Greg Guttfeld said, yeah, it kind of became defined as
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maybe a person who wanted to go to bed angry
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with somebody who wanted to go to bed happy. One
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thing I always want to do is not send people
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to bed and reached. Sure, maybe you're sad that Biden lost,
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but we're gonna have so much fun. This is gonna
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be great. And then Trump wins, this is gonna be
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so much fun. It's gonna be great. So we're gonna
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have fun and things are gonna be great no matter
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who wins or loses. I'm not gonna let that impact
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the time that we have. I think doing a late
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night show that makes everyone feel bad is a disservice.
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I don't understand that. That's when you have people switching
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the channel to come to us. They didn't even know
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he existed until then again, we're comparing red apples and
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yellow apples. Gutfeld is on at ten Eastern, but he's
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on at seven Pacific and eleven thirty five pm Pacific,
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or not at all the same thing. Greg said, there
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was literally free money on the table, and so I
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took it, and I showed mainstream media that they don't
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own the culture. I think it's not just about late night,
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it's about all of culture. It's about the ability to
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tell people you aren't the cool kids at the table anymore.
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You'd took people for granted, you insulted everybody else. We're
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the ones now we're having fun for your OZ told Variety.
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I don't think comedians speak truth to power, you know.
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I think journalists speak to power ideally, but I think
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comedians speak to a tiny voice in the back of
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your head, and perhaps over time we've forgotten how powerful
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that voice is. I also don't think you can predict
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whatever is going to get you into trouble. It's the
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thing you really thought of, this thing. You never imagine
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that it's going to be the complaint that gets filed,
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and it's a thing you thought that, oh, this is
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going to hurt people. It never hurts people at all.
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So your best bet is just to say it and
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deal with it. When the time comes, and that is
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