Jan. 11, 2026
Mike and Mac - The State of Comedy in 2026
Johnny Mac and Mike Chisholm from The Letterman Podcast discuss the state of comedy as 2025 came to an end. They explore the divided yet successful comedy landscape, highlighting different styles from clean family acts to controversial figures like Dave Chappelle and Ricky Gervais. The conversation also delves into the impact of comedians like Dane Cook and the evolving comedy industry. Additionally, they reflect on David Letterman's legacy, contrasting his early anti-establishment style with his current elder statesman persona, and discuss the significance of his recent Netflix specials.
00:34 The State of Comedy
01:17 The Evolution of Stand-Up Comedy
01:56 Dane Cook's Impact on Comedy
05:45 David Letterman's New Content
06:36 The Church of Letterman Orthodox
16:59 Analyzing Dave Chappelle's Special
20:11 Comedy Special Rankings and Critiques
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Caloroga Shark Media.
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Hey there, I'm Johnny Mackin Mike Chisholm, the host of
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The Letterman podcast, and we are friendly and sometimes we
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do crossover episodes. Mike and I recently did a session
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where we talked about things for like two and a
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half hours, and I chopped it up into pieces, and
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here Mike and I were discussing the state of comedy
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as twenty twenty five came to an end.
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It's been an interesting year in all sorts of areas,
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but in comedy, I don't know, man, I just feel
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like the genre and the industry that is stand up
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has never had a bigger, more successful year. But in
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that it's also felt never's felt as divided as it's felt.
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But you're the guru when it comes to this stuff.
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What do you think about that assertation? Yeah, it's interesting.
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I just saw a piece on Vulture suggesting that comedians
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need to get more angsty and fight more and believing
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as a pot cast host, I love when the comedians
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are battling. You know, you and I should start award
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just for the for the clicks. But let's do it.
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You know. On the other hand, if you look at it,
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what's really working is the Nate Berganzis of the world
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doing the clean comedy, family stuff. You know, Sebastian manaskalgo
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that style of comedy. But then at the other end
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you've got the the canceled of Ricky Gervais and Shane
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Gillis and Dave Chappelle. They're all canceled and they're never
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going to be able to speak again. They're selling out Arenas. Ye,
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you've got that other wing of austin Ish and the
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Chraysiers and the Rogans and the Sigoras. You've got all
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that going on, so it's sort of fractured. It's tremendously successful.
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I'm all over the place. When they did the Top
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Communities of the Century, Dane Cook wasn't mentioned. Has everyone
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forgotten what a huge comic Dane was and Dane selling
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out the Garden was a statement with three exclamation points.
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But now you know, I love them, But we're all
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sells out the Garden. Everybody sells out the Garden, so
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you know something has changed there. The business is bigger
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than ever. A lot of that is Netflix driven, for sure,
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but yeah, it's just a weird time. But there's comedy
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for everybody.
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Right, Oh, definitely, Like, but thank you for mentioning Dane,
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because I remember back in the day. It's interesting that
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you talked about all the different facets of comedy, and
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I remember how big of a deal it was when
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dice Clay sold out Madison Square Garden, Like that was
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a huge, huge, when when when dice Clay was, oh
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my god, Andrew dice Clay is doing an arena, you know,
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and then you know, you'd hear about it every once
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in a while. But then you got Dane who comes
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in in the early party and I okay, fine, the
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Billboard list was of the twenty first century, the top
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twenty five comics of the twenty first century. Well, I'm sorry,
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but if there was a guy that brought in comedy
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and elevated it at the beginning part of the century
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in the early two thousand, it was Dane. It was
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a big deal, the tour that he went on, that
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run he went on, and I mean, you know, it's
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different than Kennyson, but it's similar to Kinnyson in the
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sense that there's this huge thing that happens and it
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inspires all of these people, and then a couple of
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years later, you know, the star fades and it goes
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across and and and and and now we're here in
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twenty twenty five and we're debating whether he should be
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even be on the list. Well, to me, of course
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he should be on the list, but some people have
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short memories when it comes to this stuff.
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I suppose I have a strong opinion on My theory
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is that the stylized comedians and Dan Cook did have
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a style to him, the physicality and the way he spoke,
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you know, maybe not full on character like a dice,
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but it's the brick wall comedians that tend to last.
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The Bill Burrs, the Dave Chappelle is just a guy
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talking in front of a brick wall. We could put
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an arena, we could do with theater in the round shore,
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but it's the traditional George Carlin esque stand up of
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I'm gonna stand here and just tell you what's on
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my mind. Where some of that stylized stuff we've seen
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shooting stars over the years and they come and go
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and they're they're white hot, and they have that three
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four years and then they kind of go away. I'm
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not sure Dane is full on stylized comedian to use
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the term. But you know, he was just a monster,
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a quote unquote rock star there for a while, good
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looking guy, really lighting up crowds, people quoting his material,
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and you know, you go about twenty years later and
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it's like he's forgotten somehow. It's weird.
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Now, Yeah, it's crazy that he wasn't on that list,
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like like, like, as far as I'm concerned, he ushered
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comedy into the twenty first century by making it more,
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you know, talking about the MySpace stuff and the way
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that he would use the Internet, not just in his act.
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I mean, of course his act was very very you know,
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it talked a lot about the Internet and things like that,
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but the way that he built his community was a
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blueprint for what I imagine if podcasting existed back does now.
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I mean, he would have been one of the first
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people with a podcast. He really really saw where the
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puck was going and led an entire genre in that direction.
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I just so yeah. But that being said that, the
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Billboard list was interesting. I really love I recommend everybody
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to go back and listen to the Daily Comedy News
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podcast episodes where where Johnny goes through the Top twenty
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the Billboard Top twenty five Comedians of the Century. It's
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it's it's very very good. You split up in two episodes. Again,
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bite sized, really really simple, not like this behemoth of
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a show where it's long form. I really really like
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the bite size aspect of of what it is that
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you're doing. And boy, you've got lots of stuff to
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talk about, and we could do separate shows. And we
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are going to do separate shows when it comes to this,
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because there is so much to talk about. But the
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guy who brought me into this podcasting game, David Letterman,
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has put out in the last month a whole bunch
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of new content. In fact, more content in the last
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month than I think if you add up all the
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rest of the months, I think you might be pretty close.
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Have you watched any of the new My Next Guests yet?
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I started to watch the Sandler episode, okay, and I
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really struggle. So I'm stealing from Jimmy Buffett fans here.
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There was a group of Jimmy Buffett fans who created
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Church of Buffett Orthodox Yes, And what their premise was
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was that at one point Jimmy Buffett was about, Hey,
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let's hang out at the beach and have a good time,
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and over the years, it became about product and knockoff
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Corona beer and restaurants, and I kind of want to
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form Church of Letterman Orthodox who believe in the I
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got to have a self trouble here the Testament of
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the twelve thirty. We might read the eleven thirty, and
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then the later works of David Letterman just aren't our thing.
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And boy, I just so just where my mind is.
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I was on YouTube the other night and I almost
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sent this to you, but then the clip went sideways.
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But the first few minutes of the clip were guys
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throwing stuff off a bridge onto a frozen lake, and
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I was like, yeah, that, I want more of that.
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Why isn't anyone doing that? Dave? Can you throw something
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off a bridge on a frozen lake? I want to
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watch that? And this Elder Statesman Letterman, I don't take
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away anyone's enjoyment of it. I don't take away your
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enjoyment of it. I'm glad Dave somehow has gone from
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a guy in a bad mood that doesn't interview people
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to the great interviewer. That's an interesting transformation. But those
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of us in the Church of Letterman Orthodox, I just
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want to throw stuff off a five story tower and
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have Chris Elliott do something weird and make fun of
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the whole thing not being that funny, making it funny.
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And as I've called it over the years, Establishment Letterman
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just isn't my thing. I feel bad saying this out loud,
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especially off this show that's you know, maybe some of
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your fans will be like, yes, Church of Letterman Orthodox,
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I want to sign.
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Up, Oh gosh, yeah, And I mean there are you know,
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I like the fact that our show is the size
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that it is because I can kind of look into
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the people who support the show, and you can see
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the different I can still see everything. It's like it's
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it's like when a musician is still playing in a
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in a venue that's like maybe under seven hundred people,
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they can kind of still kind of see everybody that's
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in the audience as they're playing on it. And it
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kind of feels that way. Certainly, there is a huge
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contingent of people who tolerate this show because every once
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in a while they get a beautiful itch scratch talking
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about the late night show that they enjoy enjoyed so much.
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The Church of Letterman or the Orthodox Letterman Church would Yes,
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there certainly would be a lot of members. But that
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being said, the he did transform, and I would I
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would submit that the long form, you know, skills that
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Dave has has is now showing us. Really at the
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end of the day, I think it took a career
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to build the skills that he has done. When it
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has has gotten when it comes to this stuff, I
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see him interviewing Sandler and it's it's an interesting thing.
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We'll do an entire episode once. I want to wait
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till you watch the entire episode if you can stomach it.
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Because one of the things that you talk about is
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the idea about how strong a dramatic actor Adam Sandler
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actually is as opposed to being a comedian or being
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a funny man. And and and I love the reoccurring
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bit that that appears. Whether it's a bit or not,
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I guess remains to be seen on your show where
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you talk about that. They certainly talk about it in
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the in in Dave's long form interview with them, But
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more so I think back to the days you were
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talking about, and I can remember Adam Sandler's first few
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times on Late Night, and it's really cool to watch
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Dave go back and talk to some of these people
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that he has had a TV or a showbiz relationship
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with for so long, and they can talk about some
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of those early days and things like that and add
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that as an element to the to the conversation. So
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you and I can go really deep on the Adam
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Sandler one and that'll be a lot of fun. But
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they're all good. The Mister Beast episode is good, really
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good in fact, especially for people who don't know who
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Miss Beast is, you know, biggest broadcaster on the planet.
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A lot of people still don't know who who he is.
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I didn't know who Mister Beast was other than his name,
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so it's interesting to hear Dave kind of come from
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the curiosity standpoint with him. The Michael B. Jordan episode
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very very good as well, very strong. I put that
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up there with some of the other episodes of people
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who I didn't know who they were, very very very
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very well, like they weren't super familiar with me, and
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and then you get a whole bunch of insights and
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now you look at the body of work and some
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of the things that this person has done, and it
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adds dimensions to it. And Michael's did that with me.
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But for me, the highlight of all of them was
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the Jason Bateman episode. I mean that that episode to
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me was absolutely perfect. By the way, it's not throwing
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stuff off towers, but Dave is doing silly things a
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little bit. In some of these episodes. He goes to
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a hat shop in London. He smokes a cigar for
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the first time ever. I smoked cigars because of David Letterman,
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so I thought that was really really interesting. And then
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of course at the end of the Bakman episode there's
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an arrested development thing with Ron Howard in the whole
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nine yards, and it seems fun big time is what
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it felt like to me. So anyway, there's a sum
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up of how I feel about that. We're gonna do
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post mortems, Johnny and I will do a post mortem
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on Adam Sandler. We're going to do post mortems on
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the other three episodes with the appropriate guest as well.
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Thank you for letting me monologue there for a second,
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my friend. I appreciate It's been a while since I've
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done one of these, so I needed to get that out.
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Oh no, I feel bad. So I started to watch
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the Sandler one, and you know, it's fine. It's just
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was recently thinking about. So I'm going to drop a
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name that you know, unless you lived on the East
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Coast at some point that I'm not aware of, you're
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Uncle Floyd. So Uncle Floyd had a uhchf show in
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