Jan. 18, 2026

Mike and Mac - Top 10 Greatest Late Night Hosts (Part 2)

Mike and Mac - Top 10 Greatest Late Night Hosts (Part 2)
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Johnny Mac and Mike Chisholm discuss the top 10 late night hosts of all time, starting with recaps from the previous episode and details on hosts from number six through to number one. The discussion covers the contributions and impacts of Jon Stewart, Jimmy Kimmel, Conan O'Brien, Dick Cavett, Jack Parr, Johnny Carson, and David Letterman. They also explore related topics such as changes in media, the nature of podcasts, and the personal and cultural significance of these iconic figures in late night television.

00:00 Recap of Previous Episode
00:32 Discussing Jay Leno and the Split Episode
00:57 6. Jon Stewart's Impact on Late Night
03:22 Debating the Definition of a Podcast
09:36 5.Jimmy Kimmel's Place in Late Night History
16:03 4. Conan O'Brien's Resilience and Influence
20:05 Conan O'Brien's Rise to Fame
21:08 The Tonight Show and TBS Years
21:26 Conan's Future with the Oscars
22:03 Jimmy Kimmel's Retirement Speculation
23:07 3. Top Talk Show Hosts: Dick Cavett and Jack Paar

24:44 Honorable Mentions and Controversial Omissions
26:25 2. Johnny Carson's Legacy
30:22 1. David Letterman: The Greatest Broadcaster

35:13 Howard Stern's Evolution
39:12 Final Thoughts and Future Episodes

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Callaroga Shark Media. Hi there, I'm Johnny back and if

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you listen to yesterday's episode was a crossover episode with

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The Letterman Podcast. Mike Chisholm, who hosts The Letterman Podcast,

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made a list of the top ten late night hosts

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of all time, and we made it all the way

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through number seven. We got a little chatty in case

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you missed it, Number ten with Steve Allen, nine, Orsennil

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Hall eight, Craig ferguson number seven, the Worst Guy who

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Ever lived, Jay Leno, and we did twenty minutes on

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Jay Leno at the end of yesterday's episode, which made

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the episode kind along, so I had to split it

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in two. So if you missed it, go back and

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listen to yesterday. And here is the rest of the list.

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I'm glad we spend as much time on Jay as

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we as we did. We're gonna move to number six now,

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and this is the first one where it comes with

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somebody sort of attached to it. There's two of them

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here or three of them here maybe that have somebody

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attached to them. Number six is John Stewart. I'm gonna

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just say this flat out. In the last five Stephen

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Colbert is not one of them. But with well, okay,

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so right there, that's the result. But but but we're

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sint Colbert off the air?

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What is wrong with you? Mike there? Taking him off

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and right and a lot of show and he kept

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the late show franchise going and and whoa not on

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the list? Very see this is exactly why I don't

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want to see your list.

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Great example. You should teach that to the what do

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you what do you teach?

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By the way, In the fall, I teach introduction, Well,

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it was introduction of radio, and I went to the university.

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I'm like, you got me teaching introduction of horse and buggy.

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We got to rebrand this. Uh so now it's radio

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podcast of streaming good And I teach a management course

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of that in the spring. And then at the other university,

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I teach podcasting production, which isn't just here's how you

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hit recorder, here's how you master it. I'll do a

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lot of weeks about out. Here's how we approach the content,

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here's what we're trying to do, here's why we do

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these things, and how you approach the creative before we

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even try and hit record.

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Oh that's great, you know it talks about the Testament

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to communication. It was intro to radio, and then it

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became intro to what's the name of it now?

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I think it's right now. I think it's radio, streaming

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and media, sorry, and podcasting, which it's unofficially been for

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about five years. Don't tell anybody. I'm like, you know,

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if you want me to teach you about how an

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AM transmitter works, I can. I don't know what you're

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gonna do with the information. I know how to edit

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with a razor blade. I've done it. I was pretty

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good at it. But let me show you pro tools.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, just the name of the course though,

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you're gonna get a lineup versus crickets on the other

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side like calling it streaming podcasting it like, that's yeah,

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it's a no brainer. Alex Bennett and I talk about

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this all the time. I use the word broadcasting all

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the time, and it drives Alex up the wall because

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he's just left broadcasting is this and it's this? Is it?

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Just you know, has the line of what broadcast? This

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is not broadcasting, streaming is not broadcasting. I'm like, yeah,

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but it's the it's the I I appreciate that. I

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appreciate that broadcasting does have, you know, some finite rules,

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you know, But at the end of the day, what

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are we doing here? I mean, it's all it is

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all broadcasting for that, That's what it's for, right. It's

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not the it's not the tools that make it happen.

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It's the fact that it's happening at all. That's why

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we're doing it right.

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Well, the podcasting industry right now, what is a podcast? Like,

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is this a podcast? Well, there's cameras on so yes

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and no, and the video version might be. The audio

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version definitely is. And if I put Bill Simmons on Netflix,

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is that a podcast? TikTok started live streaming things and

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using the word podcast. Now I'll Alex Bennett that and

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be like, hey, live stream on TikTok is not a podcast.

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I'm sorry, yep.

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But then I'll also come back to it and say

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it doesn't matter whatever the audience thinks. As a podcast,

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that's what a podcast is. So if you call this

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thing the Letterman podcast and Sunset the audio version and Netflix,

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there's your money and it's there and people stare at

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this conversation, that's a podcast because.

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You said it where you go, that's you said what

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sense orright?

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And also at that point you'll have to come up

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with a different name, because at that point mister d

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will be like, uh, you know, am I getting any

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of this money here? Or so you got a Netflix deal,

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so you you'll have to call it like d Lman.

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Pod Fantasies like that are really funny. Yeah, John Stewart

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is number six, So John Stewart, And to me, John

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Stewart gets the nod and and he comes with him

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a contingent of people. Cool Bear is one of them.

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But to me, there's a guy who you talk about,

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a guy who changed Late Night and really at the

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end of the day, I mean, so many people would

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watch Saturday Night Live back in the day for Demis

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Miller or for Norm McDonald or for what we came

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up to. It has always been such a powerful you know,

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not necessarily the news, all of these different well, the

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idea that Madeline Smithberg those people could come up and

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and and and put the the rocket onto John Stewart

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and created a version of the Daily Show that would

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become iconic. And and and not only that he is

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a king, but he's also a king maker in Colbert

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and and other people of course, John Oliver, and and

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and and and the idea that John Stuart you know,

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he I don't, I don't. I think he's getting the

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reverence that he deserves. The comeback this year has really

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shown that he does have a reverence out there, and

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he is one of those guys he's kind of transcending.

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Conan's transcending as well. You're seeing it start to happen

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with Jimmy where they were were where where they become

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more than just a late night talk show host, but

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that becomes something else. Dave of course did it years ago.

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John Stewart's at that place right now. Colbert is gonna

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be at that place after he retires, and probably if

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we did this list next year as a result of

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when he does retire and all the the the the

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the Gaga and the Bally Whu that's gonna surround that.

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But right now he's gonna John's it's going to be

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the guy at number six on the top ten late

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night hosts of all time. John Stewart, New York guy.

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You're a New York guy. You cross paths with him

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very often in your career.

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No, I've never run into John either. So I'm struggling

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with this one, much like what is a podcast? When

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you say to me late night, my brain goes to

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the Steve Allen template. There there's a desk in a

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city scape behind it. It kind of looks like you

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were set up there, and we do a monologue and

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some guests come out and we go home, and John

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Stewart's not doing that. Is he in the hall of

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fame of whatever hall of fame we're making? Absolutely? Is

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he a king maker? Absolutely? Is he hilarious? Absolutely? Is

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he influential on culture? Absolutely? What else can I say

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about him?

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Is awesome?

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Does he walk the talk? Yeah, you know the stuff

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he's done for veterans. Wow, what an awesome dude. And yes, yes, yes,

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yes yes. But in my small brain he's in a

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different filing cabinet than Jay Leno and Steve Allen that

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he's doing something else. He's over here with John Oliver.

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And you mentioned not necessarily the News, which is not

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a late night show, But why is the Daily Show

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a late night show? And not necessarily News isn't And

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I don't know, and I don't care, So I'm not

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gonna like throw tomatoes at my screen and be like,

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this list is outrageous. I just you know, let's make

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some other list and put him at number one.

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He's awesome.

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I just feel like it's for me something in a

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different category.

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Yeah. Well, okay, so I used to feel the same

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way that you did. So this is just a testament

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to way that when we zone in on this stuff,

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those of us who are nerds for this stuff, that's

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the way that our brain kind of works. I was

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actually convinced the other way. And I listened to it,

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and I'll name drop her for sure. Madeline Suithberg and

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I we we chat, you know, I would say frequently, Yeah, frequently, moderate, moderately, frequently,

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Madeline Suthberg and I will chat, and she's gonna come

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on the show here at some point. But I asked

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that question. I asked her that question. I said, okay, well,

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is the Daily Show a late night show? And she

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convinced me of it. It was? It was? It was

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what because the desk comes out early, it's not a

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late night show? What because? And I mean that's not

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something that she said. She was far more elo eloquent

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in what she said. But but I am now back

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on board where Yeah, no, I believe Daily Show is

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a late night show. It's it's you know, it's nightly.

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They have guests, they you know. To me, I think

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the Daily Show actually changed late night. I was having

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this conversation with Scott Ryan, who wrote Last Days of Letterman.

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We were talking about this. We were wondering when the

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first time, Like, I don't think Dave ever did a

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monologue where a screen showed up beside him and there

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was like, you know, graphics that were enhancing the jokes.

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But he did definitely throw to video packages within the monologue,

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like like famously the very last Late Show. One of

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the things that he said in the middle of the monologue,

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okay now it's on for a new segment comedy we

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would have done tomorrow. There are a bunch of jokes

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that were still topic. It's just very good, very very

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yeah nice. When did Dave add that to the monologue? Well,

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it was certainly after the Daily Show showed up. Never

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mind the fact that you had, you know, other hosts

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at other desks who had the graphic and was being helped. Well,

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now they're really merging into two like and so anyway,

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I'm convinced that The Daily Show is a late night show,

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and that's why John's on the list. But yeah, powerful

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powerful force in nature in late night nature. There's no

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question about that. Absolutely. Number five, we're going to the imitator,

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the guy who wants to be David Letterman, and that

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is Jimmy Kimmel. I think if September this of twenty

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twenty five hadn't happened, he would have been further up

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the list. He might not have made the list. But

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I said earlier that I think that Jimmy is transcending

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and he's going past this place of into the next zone,

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whatever that is. Who knows how long he's gonna do

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it for, but he has certainly, you know, got all.

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He deserves to be on this list because ABC never

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had a late night show for the same reason that

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that that Letterman gets all the accolades for giving CBS

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their late night show. Jimmy Kimmel did it for ABC.

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You talk about it network. That gave a guy time

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to find his voice and become something. My gosh, remember

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the original It's called Jimmy Kimmel Live because they were live.

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They were all live at first, and he couldn't get

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guests and the audience could drink, and there was all

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sorts of crazy stuff that this play started with and

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what it's evolved into, it's evolved into David Letterman light.

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But at the same time, he is the combination of

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Jay Leno and David Letterman, because you've got this guy

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who works for ABC. Well, he happens to be a

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Star Wars fan, he happens to be a Marvel Comics fan,

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he happens to be a fan of of of the

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network that owns him and all of their properties, and

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so every time one of these new projects comes out,

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he can do a collab with them, and he can

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do well. This is the stuff that len I loved

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about the Tonight Show and the stuff that Dave. Dave hated,

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He didn't like doing that stuff at all. You know,

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Jimmy has embraced that and has done a phenomenal job

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at that. Then you've got the fact that he's hosted

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the Oscars and done all sorts of things that Johnny

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Carson did back in the day and did very very

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well at it. To me, Jimmy Kimmel is absolutely worthy

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of being number five on the top ten late night

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hosts of all time. What do you think about that?

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I feel you have him too high. I am favorable

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towards Jimmy Kimmel. I think if we think in terms

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of two things, skin of mind. In terms of baseball,

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for my beloved eighty six Mets, he had Twin Good

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and doctor k with the incredible not just the fastball

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and striking people out, he had this incredible curve ball.

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He's David Letterman. And then behind him you had Ron

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Darling quily going about his business winning fifteen games a

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year and sitting in that number two slot. And I

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feel like Kimmel on his walk to the Hall of Fame.

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And we'll see what this final act is, however long

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it is, whether it is another year and a half

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for longer. Is accumulating innings and they're nice, solid innings.

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But he's definitely not making Mount Rushmore right, which doesn't

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mean bad. Not everyone makes Mount Rushmore Yep. I just

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feel like it's high. I have to look at the

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final list and and does he make it? Why is it?

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Why is he making it?

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Over?

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Stephen Colbert, can we have that discussion or is that

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for later?

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Absolute? No, you know the discussion right now? Absolutely? Yeah,

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Colbert didn't make the list because as far as he's

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in the he's in that Stuart category and and and

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so he gets that's where his that's where his sort

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of honorable mention comes in. So I cheated a little bit, okay,

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you know, because uh, he was the he was the

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king that that that Stuart made. But again this time

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next year, when we see how he leaves Late Show

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or the Late Show and what happens, you know, we

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might be a different list next year. But yeah, Kimmel,

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to me, this was this was a debate that I

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had in my head, and I'm like, well, it's not

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that I'm not going to mention him, but but Kimmel,

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the fact that he got brought back the way that

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he did, and thank goodness, you don't have to boycott

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this stuff anymore. I'm so grateful for that, the fact

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that he got brought back the way that he did

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and whatnot. Just this year here, it just showed that

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he is He's one of those guys and I just

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feel like he is transcending out of and he's becoming

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bigger than what it is that he does. I just

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feel like Kimmel's making that transformation right now.

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do you walk off? Is the right move? Just hey,

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I don't feel like that's the right move for Colbert.

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I feel like his walk off needs to be more

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thoughtful and say something. So I don't need Tom Cruise

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coming by to promote Mission Impossible ten. I need him

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to do something with some weight and speak to the

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nation and speak to the moment. And I don't know

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what that is, but it's not just Sebastian Maniscalko coming

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on doing his stand.

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my entire life was the last six weeks of Late

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Show with David Letterman. They threw the kitchen sink at it.

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But the kitchen sink that they threw was a version

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of Johnny Carson's kitchen sink. Yeah, you know, it was

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laid out very similarly. There would be lots of clips

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of things that happened over the years, and when you

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have a wits and breadth of body of work, you

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can do that. Well. Colbert doesn't have that Colbert's got

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ten years unless you start bringing in the Comedy Central stuff.

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from the rapport, okay, you can do that, and there

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might be a unique version of that kitchen sink that

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can be done. And like you said earlier, they combine

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it with bringing back a bringing a list stars, but

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of course bringing back friends of the show. If there's

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an ingredient that needs to be included with Colbert's exit,

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I firmly believe that whoever are considered friends of his

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show need to be deeply involved in it. And of

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course the top of that list is of course John Stewart, right,

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you know, what the ending is going to look like,

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but it's gonna have to do with the friends of

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the show. He's got a lot more political friends than

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Letterman or Carson ever did, so, so that that's gonna

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be an interesting element to it as well, because his

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show is very political. It's a political show, so I

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think it does need to be different though, because it

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is such a different show than what Letterman and Carson did.

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Boy, weird shit, it's time to get some business in here.

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We'll take a break, we'll come back. We'll talk a

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little bit more with Mike Chisholm about the top ten

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late night hosts of all time. Mike Chisholm hosts The

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Letterman Podcast. He is today's guest, and we're discussing his

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list of the top ten late night hosts of all time?

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And how many do we have left? I'm playing along.

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I don't want to spoil the show. I have five

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head that you could throw out, you know, so there's

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very obvious there's four left, and I have four life names.

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Like exactly, and I think I know what I want

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to do.

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Okay, I don't want to throw names out and ruin

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it for the audience, but I would imagine people can

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guess it at least three of them.

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Yeah, yeah, for sure. Number four is our boy, Conan O'Brien,

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And you know that's one of the names for sure.

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There's no question Conan. How do you follow David Letterman?

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You know? And Conan not only did it, but did

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it right. He did a phenomenal job taking over the

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mantle of late night. He was so resilient as late

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night became similar to the Letterman Carson thing, you know,

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when Letterman was on at twelve thirty, there was a

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point where his show was the hip Show and the

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Tonight Show was the anchor that the Hip Show was

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kind of, you know, attached to the same thing happened

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with Conan and Leno. You know, there was a point

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where where Conan was the hip guy. He was the

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guy that was they were getting to host the Emmy's

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just like Dave. He was the guy that was knocking

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the ball out of the park, creating new types of

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of the way to present the show, his travel shows,

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you know, and then of course the resilience of weathering

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the storms, and he had a lot of them at

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the beginning, of course, during the Late Night years. You know,

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of course, how do you react to having the Tonight

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Show taken from you after it was promised to you

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for five years? You know. And and Conan, you know,

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leaving Late Night. The deal that he signed was serious,

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the podcast, all the relevance that Conan has in life,

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and right now, at this time, I just want to

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throw a shout out to he and his family and

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all the stuff that they're going through right now. They

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are just Oh what a way that they're in it

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right now. You know, the most unpredictable kind of thing.

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You know, we just have so much love for Conan

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and respect for him, and of course he's going to

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be on this list, and he's going to be really

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high up on this list. So that's why he's at

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number four, you.

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Know, not to bring the showdown, but one of the

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things as a producer, I try and look ahead to

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the stories of the next six months or the next year.

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I fear we're going to have a major celebrity trial

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where lawyers are going to want to ask Conan O'Brien

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what happened at that party? And I could see a

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defense attorney saying, well, why didn't you call nine one one?

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When people said, like, I fear Conan's going to be

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in the news for reasons no one deserves to be

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in the news. What a horrible tragedy, obviously, but I

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just want to, you know, put that out there into

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the universe that I think we're going to see Conan's

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name in the news in twenty twenty six.

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Yeah, I I absolutely, absolutely, and and and I just

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but you know that stuff is going to work itself out,

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you know, you know that stuff is you know, hindsight

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is twenty twenty. Could I have done something different? Okay,

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there's there, there's that, But then there's also the the

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heart part. And I mean, I know that they're all

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I've heard a couple of grape vine things, and there's

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a lot of people that are really sad right now,

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and and and and really just hurt, and and and

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and and and devastated in fact, and and and I

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just feel so bad for that part of it as well.

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That the course, you're right, it's gonna be if this

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trial is public, it's going to be, in my opinion,

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it's going to be like the OJ trial. It's going

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to be. It'll be a circus. Hopefully that can be

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circumvented somehow. I don't know if there's what the laws

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are and if there's special circumstances if if that then

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seals things, I don't know if that would happen. But yeah,

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I think you're I think you're right. I think it's

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going to become a circus. But at the end of

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the day, when a circus is happening and people are

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genuinely hurt and there's all this stuff going on around them,

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like that's the part where I'm just like just just

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everybody who's involved in that situation know that there are

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people out there in public who are just pulling for

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you and we're thinking about yeah, yeah, you know.

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I say none of this flippantly, just as someone who

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analyzes things. This makes Conan's bio it oh bit. It

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might be one sentence in the seventh paragraph, but it's

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going to make his obituary and again a horrible situation.

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I don't mean to be the least bit flippant about

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this situation, and I hope I'm not coming across that way,

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but just just just factually, Conan's going to be in

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the news as there are some other famous people.

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Absolutely, now that being said, the reason that he is

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in the news the way he is, the giant he

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has become. And you talk about Smigel and I think

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about them, and I think about, you know, the camaraderie

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that they had back in the SNL days, and if

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they either of them, could have ever, ever, ever fathomed

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that this would happen to them and they would become

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the cultural icons that they are. Conan of course being

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the public one, Smigel, you know, being the genius, the

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creative genius behind the scenes, but you think about Conan

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and do you think even in his wildest dreams he

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takes over for David Letterman, that he would end up

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becoming who he has become.

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No, I can't, right, because if you just go back,

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it's wait, Lauren says, I can host twelve thirty, Okay, And.

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How long are you think?

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Are you thinking you're going to do that for fourteen years?

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Are you hoping it lasts a year? Three years? And

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then you go do what? And then and then hey,

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do you want to host the Tonight Show? Well, of

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course everyone wants to host the Tonight Show? Who doesn't

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want to host the Tonight Show? And then that rug

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gets pulled out of you? And then I know we

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have different opinions on the TBS years, you know, a

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little I mean less visible, Right, it's not this Tonight Show,

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It's TBS. But then this more recent act of both

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the podcast and then the great appearance as an Oscar host,

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the more Chwin Awards, he'll be back as the Oscars host.

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Now the Oscars itself is interesting because is it two

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years of Conan? And then because the Oscar's destiny is YouTube,

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and YouTube will want to put their own spin on it.

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And have he it's the whatever one hundred and second

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Oscars with your host, mister beast. You know. So Conan's

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not about to host the Oscars for the next ten years.

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He might do two or three. Do they go back

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to Kimmel one last time in ABC? And this gets

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me back to the if Jimmy Kimmel retires, you're my age,

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what are you gonna do for the next fifteen twenty years?

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I know you have money, but you need something to do.

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You have to have a project, even if it's hosting

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Strike Force five. But like I don't see Jimmy Kimmel

457
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at you know, fifty five ish, just going home and

458
00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:23.599
doing nothing for twenty years. He needs something to do.

459
00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:26.000
Even David Letterman apparently needs something to do.

460
00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:29.880
Right, Hey, there's there's there's the name for the next

461
00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:32.839
the next Netflix show. David Letterman needs something to do.

462
00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:36.319
It would be not far off the mark. Yeah, I

463
00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:40.240
mean Conan is a giant. Him hosting the Oscars was again, yeah,

464
00:22:40.359 --> 00:22:43.880
cherry on top and in so many ways, and it's

465
00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:45.559
gonna be great to see him do it again. I

466
00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:48.480
look forward to everything that he's doing. We got three left,

467
00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:51.640
and you got four names I think three is going

468
00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:56.200
to combine two of those names. Okay, Now I'm a

469
00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:58.759
little biased with this one here, I fully admit it,

470
00:22:58.799 --> 00:23:02.759
but I still stand by it. The number three, uh

471
00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:06.519
you know, talk show host, the top ten talk show

472
00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:08.920
host of all time. Number three for me is Dick Cabot.

473
00:23:09.599 --> 00:23:11.039
Oh yes, yes, yes.

474
00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:14.279
Now with me. Dick Cabot comes with somebody and it comes,

475
00:23:14.359 --> 00:23:17.079
he comes with his mentor, he comes with Jack Parr

476
00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:19.279
and I and and I want to talk about them

477
00:23:19.279 --> 00:23:21.440
at the same time because I believe again this list

478
00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:23.039
here has a whole bunch of people who are you know,

479
00:23:23.119 --> 00:23:27.480
kings or king makers whatnot. The last two are both combined.

480
00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:29.920
But but when you look at when you look at

481
00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:33.599
what Dick did, you know, he did compete against Johnny

482
00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:35.640
Carson number one, so he was an outstanding talk show

483
00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:39.599
host in his own his own you know respect. But

484
00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:42.920
he also was such a part of Jack Parr's show

485
00:23:43.160 --> 00:23:45.960
and was influenced so much by Jack Parr. And and

486
00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:48.599
and when you look at you know, his his reverence

487
00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:52.079
for Jack is just second to none. And I look

488
00:23:52.119 --> 00:23:56.319
at what Dick did and the combination of broadcaster intelligence

489
00:23:56.519 --> 00:24:01.279
stand up as well, he is absolutely a phenomenal player

490
00:24:01.519 --> 00:24:04.559
and carries on the spirit of Jack Parr. That's why

491
00:24:04.599 --> 00:24:06.559
I put Dick Cabot at number three. I know that

492
00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:09.400
there might be some people who want to start throwing

493
00:24:09.400 --> 00:24:11.480
stones at me with that one, but that's that's that's

494
00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:13.440
this is my list. It has nothing to do with

495
00:24:13.480 --> 00:24:15.480
the fact that Dick told me he liked me, nothing

496
00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:18.599
to do with that at all. But yeah, he's my

497
00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:19.319
number three.

498
00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:22.000
No, not absurd at all. Those were the two names.

499
00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:24.240
I was wondering which one you're going to lead leave off.

500
00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:25.920
Those were the two that were out there.

501
00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:29.920
Cavot, you know, in many ways a podcaster, right, the

502
00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:34.599
same conversation that we've had. I can't argue with it.

503
00:24:34.599 --> 00:24:37.720
It is Cavit show whacky. No, not at all, not

504
00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:38.200
at all.

505
00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:42.079
Nope, No, it had no wackiness to it. It was

506
00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:44.599
it was intelligent humor to be sure.

507
00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:48.519
Oh wait, I just realized, unless you've totally lost your mind,

508
00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:51.000
with two slots left, you have left Tom Snyder off

509
00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:51.400
your list.

510
00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:53.880
I did. Tom Snader is one of the honorable mentions.

511
00:24:54.720 --> 00:24:58.160
He's he's he just it was him, you know, And

512
00:24:58.200 --> 00:24:59.400
I mean I look at I look at him, I

513
00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:03.000
look at Charlie and it's the long form late night

514
00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:06.400
that I love that Dave does right now, but yet

515
00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:09.039
it is it is awful list. And Tom's one of

516
00:25:09.079 --> 00:25:11.519
those guys who who who? I just he was one

517
00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:15.400
of Dave's influences, and I think it's very obvious that

518
00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:18.960
he's one of Dave's influences. But yeah, he uh, Hey,

519
00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:22.599
there's only there's only ten slots, and you can't have everybody. Uh,

520
00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:24.599
you can't have everybody represented. Tom's one of the people

521
00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:25.680
that did not make the list.

522
00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:28.160
Now I'm hoping you're going for the clicks here and

523
00:25:28.519 --> 00:25:30.839
one of the last two slots is going to Magic

524
00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:34.680
Johnson or Cheffy Chase or and the Pat Say Jack

525
00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:36.759
and you know, the two left of Letterman and Pat

526
00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:38.599
say Jack, and then we can all hate on your list.

527
00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:44.160
Huh that's right, say Jack. I just uh, it's just

528
00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:46.039
the best punch line of all times. Pat Say Jack.

529
00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:46.559
I just love it.

530
00:25:46.599 --> 00:25:50.680
That show wasn't that bad. It just wasn't reason to exist.

531
00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:51.599
But it wasn't awful.

532
00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:55.680
Oh he was fine, but he you know, you talk

533
00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:58.400
about a guy who didn't connect. He didn't feel like

534
00:25:58.440 --> 00:26:00.799
he was connecting with it the way that that that

535
00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:02.559
that the hosts that we love connect with us so

536
00:26:02.599 --> 00:26:04.640
much like look at God. At Craig Ferguson, I felt

537
00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:06.799
a genuine connection with him. I felt that he was

538
00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:10.319
genuinely connecting with his guests. He had a genuine connection

539
00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:12.759
with the robot skeleton on the other side of the room.

540
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:14.799
You look at Pat, say Jack, and I didn't feel

541
00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:18.599
that connection at all. The other honorable mention, by the way,

542
00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:21.359
of course, is mister Allan Thick, Canadian hero, mister Allen

543
00:26:21.400 --> 00:26:24.519
Thick for Thick of the Night. You know, he gets

544
00:26:24.559 --> 00:26:28.160
he gets an honorable mention. But yeah, No. Number two

545
00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:31.640
is Johnny number two, Johnny Carson yep.

546
00:26:32.599 --> 00:26:35.119
On the Letterman Podcast. Johnny Carson is only number two.

547
00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:36.519
That's wow, that's shocking.

548
00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:40.720
Most people who are who are who are enthusiasts of

549
00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:43.599
David Letterman, they say Johnny's number one. I I don't.

550
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:46.559
But it's the same way that uh, you know again,

551
00:26:46.599 --> 00:26:49.519
I've used this example so many times the Godfather. You know,

552
00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:52.599
some people like Veto, some people like Michael Well, Michael

553
00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:55.720
took the thing and he carried it down the field

554
00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:59.680
farther and and and and was even more successful, you know,

555
00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:04.559
and and to me, Johnny Carson, he did that, and

556
00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:06.480
then the guy who makes number one went and did that,

557
00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:11.640
so so so Johnny took the ball, Johnny Carson. I mean, oh,

558
00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:13.920
by the way, let's uh, let's give a little love

559
00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:17.119
to my boy, Mark Malcoff. I'm seeing stories every day

560
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:21.319
online where like the Daily Mirror or US Weekly or whatever,

561
00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:25.119
Will will will tell an old Johnny Carson story. It's

562
00:27:25.119 --> 00:27:27.240
happening every day on the news, right. I love I

563
00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:29.880
love seeing this and it's all as a result of

564
00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:33.160
Mark's book being released, and they're seeing a newly released book,

565
00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:36.519
but our Mark Malcoff and telling a Johnny Carson Joonan

566
00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:39.000
River story or something like that. I could not be

567
00:27:39.160 --> 00:27:42.920
happier that we are in twenty twenty five and Johnny

568
00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:45.960
Carson is still getting buzz. It is such a beautiful,

569
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:49.559
beautiful thing. Did you love Johnny growing up? So?

570
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:53.359
Johnny was the thing I stared at killing time until

571
00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:57.799
twelve thirty. Right, So I come into Johnny backward because

572
00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:01.720
my godmother hasn't gotten me the VCR yet and I

573
00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:03.440
don't have cable TV, so what am I gonna do?

574
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:06.240
So you start watching this Johnny Carson guy, and over time,

575
00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:08.480
you come to appreciate it, and I was really in

576
00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:11.480
on the end. Then as time goes on and you

577
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:14.759
become older and more mature, and you go back and

578
00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:16.880
you just study the work because you're into these things,

579
00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:19.720
and you see the clips. And then when the metvs

580
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:22.000
of the world were airing the older shows and you

581
00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:25.519
read the books, and I just came to really really

582
00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:30.359
appreciate everything about Johnny Carson, even more so than maybe

583
00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:33.839
the the the version that I saw in his sixties

584
00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:38.799
before he was walking away actually relatively young, right, Yeah,

585
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:43.319
but but yeah, no, I came to really appreciate Johnny.

586
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:47.119
Obviously I love Dave where we wouldn't even be friends.

587
00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:52.559
But for me, you know, there's a nuclear emergency and

588
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:54.240
we got to wake somebody up at three fifteen in

589
00:28:54.279 --> 00:28:57.000
the morning and go, dude, sorry to wake you. There's

590
00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:01.119
a set and you got to interview Mary Lou Henter

591
00:29:01.519 --> 00:29:04.599
and band, and I wrote a monologue for you, and

592
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:06.680
just you got to execute a late night show. Right now,

593
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:09.960
I would hand the ball to Johnny and know that

594
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:13.440
I'm going to get a funny hour, whereas Dave I'd

595
00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:15.079
be on roller skates the entire time.

596
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:21.519
Oh, that's a great analogy. That's a great analogy. Yes, yeah,

597
00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:24.240
that's a Yeah. You could set your watch to Johnny.

598
00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:30.640
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you really could, and he's just yeah,

599
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:33.920
it's it's cool reading the book actually because it came out,

600
00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:37.079
it's so weird that a book in twenty twenty five

601
00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:39.640
would be the perfect time to come out about Johnny Carson.

602
00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:41.319
But it really really is when you look at the

603
00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:44.720
perspective of what's happening in late night right now, and

604
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:46.680
you read some of the stuff that Johnny went through,

605
00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:49.920
and late night is a show, but late night, late

606
00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:52.440
night is a genre. When you look at it, you know,

607
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:54.960
there's these crazy quotes that come out of him, Johnny

608
00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:58.920
Carson that are in this book that are prophetic, you know,

609
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:01.359
talking about how it's gonna expand and it's gonna have

610
00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:05.240
to contract and and and and Yeah. It's really I mean,

611
00:30:05.319 --> 00:30:08.519
Johnny Carson is the he is I want to say

612
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:10.799
he's the goat, but he's the goat that that that

613
00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:12.759
that created the goat. Number one, of course, it's the

614
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:16.240
Letterman podcast. I did. I did want to look at

615
00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:18.519
maybe looking at someone else, but there was just nobody

616
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:21.839
other than Johnny who could have could have ever taken

617
00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:24.920
this spot. He is the number one, uh, in my opinion,

618
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:27.359
broadcaster of all time. It's not even just a talk

619
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:30.200
show host. In my opinion, David Letterman is the number

620
00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:34.119
one broadcaster of all time. And uh, you can go

621
00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:37.079
from every genre from the most ridiculous of the ridiculous,

622
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:43.039
throwing stuff off the tower, to having phenomenal short and

623
00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:46.079
long form conversations with heads of state of the world

624
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:47.920
and and everything in between.

625
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:48.640
Uh.

626
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:52.759
Dave's the guy. You know, the fact that he inspired

627
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:56.480
some Canadian uh you know, to out of his basement, Uh,

628
00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:00.400
you know, create a show in his name, who has

629
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:03.279
no business in doing something like that. That's the inspiration.

630
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:05.039
That's the kind of reach that Dave has. And it's

631
00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:08.160
still doing it. And he didn't he didn't stop. Johnny

632
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:10.480
stopped and he and he kind of left the limelight.

633
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:13.680
Dave hasn't done that. In fact, he has introduced so

634
00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:16.039
many people to so many different things because of who

635
00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:17.839
he is and where he is in this time and

636
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:20.200
place in history. So David Letterman is, of course number one.

637
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:25.359
He's clearly my favorite. You can't argue with it. You're

638
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:27.119
putting a thought in my head about the walk Off

639
00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:31.000
by Johnny Carson, that we don't have the Johnny Carson

640
00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:36.799
Netflix series where he interviewed Andie Dickinson. You know, we

641
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:40.920
don't have that, whereas we do have elder statesman Letterman.

642
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:45.599
Now I'm really digging the openly political David Letterman. I

643
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:50.640
think that's really really interesting. And again, oh, late night shows,

644
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:53.119
late night knows, can't people go? Sure they can, absolutely

645
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:57.400
they can, and they should be. I get the playing

646
00:31:57.400 --> 00:32:00.119
down the middle, I get it, but I also like

647
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:02.440
to know what somebody is thinking. Not that you want

648
00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:04.640
to lose half the audience. I understand that argument. But

649
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:07.759
this version of David Letterman where I don't care, I'll

650
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:09.440
walk away from the table and leave my chips there,

651
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:11.920
don't need him, don't care, and he can speak his

652
00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:16.319
mind to the current states of things. I absolutely love it.

653
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:18.680
But back to the walk off, you just did a

654
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:22.240
mental exercise for me. If I don't know, Dave goes, well,

655
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:23.559
I'm not getting the Tonight show.

656
00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:24.880
That's it.

657
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:27.160
Eddie just becomes a total recluse. And all I have

658
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.319
in my mind are eleven seasons of a guy throwing

659
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:35.119
watermelons off the tower. It would probably be like Eddie

660
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:37.759
Murphy's comedy career that if you told me like, hey,

661
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:40.640
Letterman's coming back and he's hosting on Netflix, I'd be like,

662
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:42.640
oh my god, that's going to be the most amazing

663
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:44.519
thing ever. And then a guy with a white beer

664
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:46.839
shows up and does a serious interview with Adam Sandler.

665
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:49.400
It would be like, if Eddie Murphy ever returns to

666
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:53.440
the stand up, it cannot possibly live up to what

667
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:57.079
my mind needs the Beatles reunion to be. So maybe

668
00:32:57.079 --> 00:32:59.440
if Dave does do eleven and done, I'd be like,

669
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:01.240
oh my god, did you see this show? It's the

670
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:02.920
most amazing thing that ever happened.

671
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:05.720
And then he walked away. Mm hmm.

672
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:06.839
Yeah.

673
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:10.480
I think it's funny. As you said that, I think

674
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:13.880
about when Craig Ferguson left and it's almost similar to, okay, yeah,

675
00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:17.079
Craig Ferguson decides he doesn't you know, he left late night.

676
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:21.039
It's it's very similar to that, and uh oh yeah

677
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:23.119
that's got me thinking too that, Yeah, that's that's a

678
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:26.440
fantastic analogy. That's exactly right. If Dave would have done that,

679
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:31.559
it's funny, like like I'm trying to remember who oh.

680
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:36.480
Senator Al Franken in the last month, the last six weeks,

681
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:39.200
else El Franken was on and he was a senator

682
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:40.640
at the time, and he said to Dave, he said,

683
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:44.599
he said, before you go off and become an eccentric recluse.

684
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.960
And I think a lot of people thought that that's

685
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:52.119
exactly what Dave was gonna do, and and and it's

686
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:55.000
funny like I I'm into Billie Eilish. The reason I'm

687
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:56.839
into Billy Eilish is because she was on Dave's My

688
00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:59.519
Next Guest show. You know, But people ask me what

689
00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:04.319
my favorite next guest uh is of all time? And

690
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:09.159
until I saw Bateman, I had an answer, and then

691
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:12.239
Bateman kind of Bateman might be my number one of

692
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:15.199
all time. But then I went and saw Dave Chapelle's special,

693
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:18.280
and the guy who Bateman replaced went back up, and

694
00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:22.039
Dave Chappelle is my favorite letterman of all time, and

695
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:24.440
and and and uh my next guest, I should say,

696
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:28.159
of all time. And part of it, I think is

697
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:32.840
because when Dave does start talking to people with opinions

698
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:36.800
about things he we start to get glimpses of what

699
00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:40.000
Dave's opinion on the same subject are. And we always

700
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:42.199
liked that. We always liked when a guest back in

701
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:44.679
the day would say something to Dave and make him

702
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:48.199
answer a personal question, and we the audience loved that

703
00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:50.119
right because it didn't happen very often because of how

704
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:52.840
private he is. And in this way, I think my

705
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:54.719
next guest does it as well. It brings out some

706
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:57.199
of those political things. To me, Dave is always a

707
00:34:57.199 --> 00:35:00.400
common sense guy. His barometer for make making fun of

708
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:02.400
a politician or something like that didn't go off until

709
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:05.039
the common sense part. As soon as the common sense

710
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:07.159
part went into the red now it's like, okay, we're

711
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:10.639
just gonna open it up. But yeah, that's a good

712
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:13.199
point that you made about that. I really love that now.

713
00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:17.360
And there's something too walking off. I think when Howard

714
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:20.039
Stern's career is said and done, there's gonna be a

715
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:23.440
strong argument for whatever Day already lang and needed to

716
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:25.159
leave the show should have been the last episode of

717
00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:29.840
the Howard Stern Show. I'm not sure that this this

718
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:33.159
late period Howard stuff is doing justice to the Howard

719
00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:34.079
Stern legacy.

720
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:37.920
I know, man like, like he just signed up for

721
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:41.199
is it three years? Another three years? Yeah? Yeah, so

722
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:44.480
he's not retiring essentially. That's what that tells me is

723
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:46.599
that he's just not gonna retire. He's just gonna keep

724
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:50.000
going and doing it because it's what he knows, what

725
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:52.239
he loves. I think he still loves it. I don't know.

726
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:56.880
I've I haven't listened to a ton of the current stuff.

727
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:02.320
It seems like he enjoy having thoughtful conversations with people.

728
00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:04.840
But when you think back to what brought him to

729
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:08.760
the dance and how you know, I'll you know, oh,

730
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:10.800
I see these two girls, you know, I want to

731
00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:12.719
bang them both. Like that was that was That was

732
00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:14.360
the stuff he used to say every single day, and

733
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:16.840
that's what brought him to it, And his evolution is

734
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:21.880
very interesting. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, Like, like,

735
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:24.679
is it comforting? Is it comfort food? Da've talked about Johnny,

736
00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:27.800
how Johnny would tuck people in every night and it

737
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:30.000
was just one of those things. Is Howard stirned comfort

738
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:31.760
food to a lot of people? Is that that part

739
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:31.960
of it?

740
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:34.920
I don't think so, because I think those of us

741
00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:38.280
that grew up on Howard that Howard's gone, Johnny was

742
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:42.360
still Johnny. You know, you could swap out an episode

743
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:46.400
from nineteen eighty six with one from nineteen seventy four. Yep,

744
00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:48.559
and maybe it was a half hour shorter, but it

745
00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:51.679
was the same show. Yeah, that looked a little newer,

746
00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:53.960
that was it. It was the same show, whereas what

747
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:59.159
Howard's doing now has you know, Robin and Fred are there,

748
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:01.480
but other than that, it's not really the same show

749
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:03.440
from you know, pick a Day in nineteen ninety three.

750
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:08.400
Yeah. I love when Dave and Howard have conversations, like,

751
00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:10.280
I love there's an episode of I would love to

752
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:13.199
hear hear Dave and Howard have another conversation, a current one.

753
00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:15.760
I don't think they've talked in a while, in a

754
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:17.639
year anyway, something like that. I love. I love when

755
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:19.199
they talk. One of the things that those two both

756
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:21.519
have in common is they have the ability to get

757
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:23.239
people to start talking about things that they don't want

758
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:26.559
to talk about. Both of them have that ability. What

759
00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:28.519
do you think that is? Like you've been in radio

760
00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:30.239
for a long time, Like when you have a host,

761
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:32.639
Alex Bena, I can do the same thing. Actually, when

762
00:37:32.679 --> 00:37:35.239
you have a host who has the ability to start

763
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:39.320
eliciting stuff that the person that they're talking to didn't

764
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:41.840
necessarily intend on talking about. What is that causes that.

765
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:47.119
So it's a combination of charisma, prep, doing the prep

766
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:50.480
and taking the time to get the guest in a

767
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:55.199
place where they're comfortable. So if I have you on

768
00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:58.679
to come out Gangbusters and go my host the Letterman podcast,

769
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:01.440
you have Johnny Carson at number two, that's ridiculous. You know,

770
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:06.239
I've started off from an antagonistic point of view, whereas

771
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:08.320
if I hang out with you for forty minutes, and

772
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:11.119
especially if I can talk to you about the thing

773
00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:15.679
you're very passionate about, that's not this. So hey, Mikeaul's

774
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:18.440
on your Facebook page yesterday I saw you out with

775
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:19.360
your granddaughter.

776
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:21.679
Yeah, you know, you know, what were you guys up to?

777
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:22.239
What was that like?

778
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:26.360
And you know I could just tell from your Facebook posts,

779
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:29.760
you know this is something that's This is someone who

780
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:32.079
is tremendously important to you. And so I could talk

781
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:33.760
to you about her for twenty minutes and get you

782
00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:35.800
to open up. And now our body language has gone

783
00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:38.159
from this to kind of leaning back in the chair

784
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:40.760
and just two people having a conversation, and now I

785
00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:43.360
can ask you about you know that really terrible thing

786
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:45.400
in your life that you don't really open up about

787
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:47.960
but where. But but it's not my opener. And that's

788
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:49.800
what Howard's good at. And this is why he has

789
00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:52.800
guests on for an hour and you sit in the

790
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:54.800
comfy sofa and you get a little comfortable with the

791
00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:57.920
gang and it's not a threatening thing. And you know,

792
00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:00.800
but that plus charisma, plus the repuds of the show,

793
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:03.719
and he is a very good interviewer. It's just not

794
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:06.719
the reason those of us who bought Howard stern stock

795
00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:07.960
in nineteen eighty five bought it.

796
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:13.000
Right now, that makes a lot of sense. So that's

797
00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:16.840
the list. That's the list list, not too not too controversial, right,

798
00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:20.679
a good list. Zone Rivers gets an honorable mention, So

799
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:25.679
DOA's Tom he gets an honorable mention of course as well. Yeah,

800
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:28.320
but anyway, that was it. Yeah, it was hard not

801
00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:32.400
to get. The hardest part was was shoe warning. How

802
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:34.000
can I talk about Colbert and how can I talk

803
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:37.400
about Parr? But like having both Alan and Parr on

804
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:41.320
and Carson on and Jay on, you know, that was

805
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:42.599
just it was it was just it was it was

806
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:44.639
a bridge that was just it was too it was

807
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:47.280
too heavy on the bridge. So one of them, one

808
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:49.119
of them had to But three Tonight Show lists on

809
00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:51.400
the top ten list, there's three who goes to the

810
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:57.360
Tonight Show? So but yeah, I uh, I can't wait

811
00:39:57.440 --> 00:39:58.800
till you watch the Sandler episode.

812
00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:01.920
There's four four, who's a I want to know Brian host?

813
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:03.079
How dare you? Sir?

814
00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:06.840
How dare you?

815
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:09.440
You? Unbelievable? I said that too. It was like something

816
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:13.079
felt weird when I said it. Oh my god, that's the.

817
00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:15.800
Jay Leno of podcasters. That's who you are cutting it there.

818
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:17.559
Mike laughed at that line there at the end, and

819
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:19.760
we moved on to some other topics. But I'm I'm

820
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:22.679
saving that part of the conversation for a completely different

821
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:25.440
episode on one of these January weekends. I hope you're

822
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:27.840
enjoying these conversations with Mike. We're hoping to do a

823
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:29.760
bunch of these. Enjoy talking to him, and we can

824
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:33.679
talk forever. This raw session was two and a half hours.

825
00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:36.320
Anytime we're together, we just go and go and go.

826
00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:39.719
So he's Mike Chisseingy hosts a Letterman podcast. Mike you, Mike,

827
00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:42.159
thank you for your time, and I'll meet everybody back

828
00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:42.960
here tomorrow.